/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Mmm..... grayons

>>4387763
>Post new art just when previous thread dies
Well fuck me

>>4387775
What am I looking at

This is sorta my first time using this thread for a critique so I'm sorry if the post is a little weird. This is the latest delivery I made for someone on /v/ and I know there's a lot I can work on, so I'd like to get some feedback to hone in on what needs work. Especially if I'm going to be drawing for other people, I'd like to make my deliveries more acceptable.

uuu

how git gud

holy shit why did no one tell me about stablizers. it makes line art so much easier

>>4387823
Do it again a thousand more times until you can draw it exactly right.

>>4387775
I agree with the other, the light gradient is TOO subtle, to the point where details blend and the subject loses discernible shape/characteristics in what comes across as an unintentional/unproficient manner. Easiest way to put it is the cloak is too fucking bright for other areas to be pitch black, just doesn't come across like a real light source.

A decent idea would be background details giving an excuse to develop the character's silhouette against it, so you can keep your subtleties and mysteriousness of the character without making him part of the wall.

>>4387826
do I benefit at all from trying to do it again with the same image with corrections, or do I just need to do a different one each day and the improvement will come?

i think the thing I'm shit at the most is drawing people that are placed in an area with perspective and making it look right.

>>4387831
Try both, see what works better.

>>4387833
ty

Still unsure on what's too lewd to post so I'm doing this one for now. I have a few things in mind I could work on but I'd like a second opinion so I can focus more efficiently. Also any pointers on uploading traditional drawings would be helpful, I used to do digital until my tablet got busted, so I'm resorting to my phone and some colored pencils.

>>4387844
Well fuck me this is embarrassing, it came from my pc so idk why it's sideways.

>>4387815
I like the use of downward lines for shading, let's you get away with denser/darker ones to indicate a sort of shading that people would associate with oozing or decay while keeping congruent with your style. Adds to the creep factor.

That said it otherwise feels like an art piece focused on visual storytelling, and I think it's a little played out. That and Dr. Smiles is a bit too tongue in cheek for the happy smiley crazy mad scientist archetype.

Uh, take two I guess. I really hope it works this time.

Why is drawing so hard?

I hope to draw as well as Jeph Jacques someday.

Never really drew before, what level of shit is this?

how do i get used to using a perspective grid?

>>4387983
patience and experience, duh

i tried to redo raymoo for a 3rd time. is it better or worse than last time

>>4388022
You should finish your shading for once.

>>4387962
Features are not bad but pls flesh out face and corners finish the piece

>>4387962
Its like the nose is the only part you actually gave any effort

>>4388034
Weird I had to redraw it 3 times and I think it still sucks.

>>4388027
What corners? I don't really know how to finish it. When I try to draw the rest of the face it just gets worse with too many lines.

Been thinking I should use to a pen to outline since it wont smear the lead. Should I or is there anything I can use to prevent smearing of the lead
Also any critique of my latest drawing? anything helps.

>>4388022
why can we see that much of her tit from the back? it looks like her tit's completely 90 degrees and we'd really only be able to see a tiny sliver of it if it conformed to gravity

where do I start if all I know is basic loomis head construction

>>4388071
At heads obviously. Draw some more spheres and box heads

>>4388022
from the angle that she is at, seeing her entire face would really be hurting her neck. should at least be a side profile.

>>4388027
I don't want to spend time doing the whole face if it's going to be shit, so I tried to draw a "finished" eye, is this considered "finished"? I don't know how to crosshatch so I kinda winged it.

Why the brush tool in Paint Tool SAI feels more comfortable to sketch and make lineart than the actual Pen tool? lol

anyways some kinda lazy faces, i think I should read loomis again at the same time that practicing gesture because i feel my faces are getting worse, specially when I try to draw animu faces..

>>4387962
>>4388103

Really digging Krenz way of doing stuff. Has anyone had any experience with his Gumroad? Also looking at moderndayjames

I think I'm getting a little better.

idk idk

>>4388171
cute boi

>>4387983
draw the lines for the far side of the box

also this isn't even a grid

>>4387962
love it

Relaxed studies, am I gud enough to start social media yet?

>>4388126
The animu face looks good, but the way it's placed doesn't

>>4388052
Sometimes you have to bend the rules a bit to make the art more appealing.
Just look at most of the highest rated stuff on pixiv, none of it is very technically accurate, but it's very appealing.

>>4388169
she cute

>>4388027
>>4388135
>>4388034
>>4388202

I decided to try for a more cartoonish face than realistic. That arm is fucked up on so many levels but my hand is cramming up and I can't be fucked redrawing half the picture to fix it.

>>4388343
Damn you're progressing fast Asukafag. I guess "just draw" really works.

>>4388229
But her tits swinging 90° isn't appealing. Hint at then not make them defy gravity.

How many of you anons went through the whole lines and ellipses exercises? They have been killing both my hand and motivation

>>4388394
well, anon, what kind of art do you expect to make if you can't put a line where you want?
as for pain, it could be either from developing muscles you haven't used much before and then everything is fine, or because you have weak wrist joint and then you better give up cause it will only get worse from here

>>4388343
You got brain damage?
Don't you see how fucked that body is?

>>4387850
The folds seems random, and her right leg is weird.

>>4388447
i am /beg/ sorry

>>4388229
You are right but that is not a bit tho

>>4388447
>>4388450
>>4388343

ok actually no fuck this enough is enough
i will now enter analysis mode
no more guessing and only solid knowledge

>>4388450
Its ok, but it looks like you purposefully make that body like some deadspace abomination.
Get your foundation first.

>>4388219
ask again when you post something finished

>>4388472
Bruh how is he going to get his foundation without drawing.
Like, these comments are so bizarre. Someone draws something bad, "you need to learn fundies". What do you think they're doing? Do you think it's possible to learn fundies without ever drawing anything bad and learning from your mistakes?

>>4388480
no he is right I was too FULL OF myself trying to draw such complex thing from imagination
I have now devised a new method of studying
>>4388468
where I will find a reference, analyze it with the help of books and then try to draw it form different angles

>>4388468
Why not just feel the form?

>>4387749
Am I gonna make it bros?

>>4388498
how can I feel the form if I don't understand how it looks like

>>4388503
do you not have eyes? if you're drawing from reference knowledge of anatomy is something you should only bother acquiring later on.

>>4388506
but I don't draw from reference for the sake of it, it's only to expand visual library of the forms so that I could draw them from imagination

>>4387749
how do u study?

>>4388503
>>4388503
>looks like

What part of FEEL the form is so hard to understand?

>>4388448
Yeah I started noticing that too. Also I should study clothing but would it be more effective to focus on one subject of study like the body and then move on to clothing? Or should I be studying multiple things at one time?

>>4388520
yeah I felt the form in my drawigs but the form was incorrect so what's the point

>>4388526
You didn't feel shit in your drawings. Go back and FEEL the fucking form. Find a picture of a naked woman for reference.

>>4388511
Well then yeah, study anatomy. Don't go into a ton of detail, for your sake. Go into enough detail to render the drawings you want to render. Remember you can always find reference for bits and pieces. There's no need to draw fully from imagination, other than as a personal challenge. No-one gives a shit other than you.

>>4388531
yeah, so I can analyze it and remember how the form looks like

>>4388534
Even if you don't have a reference, does this look like you feeling a form? Look at it, it's all flat shapes. ZERO form felt. Even with zero anatomy you can at least build it out of shit that seems like a human form. Learn from Vilppu and learn to FEEL curvy shapes, boxes, spheres, etc....

>>4388541
it's way harder trying to do that with colors
which I will also stop doing, only black and white for now

Going through Bert Dodson book, rate, my dudes.

>>4388545
So many excuses, just feel the fucking form already. It has nothing to do with your eyes or colours and everything to do with FEELING. You should be able to do it blind folded. Consider that half of drawing has nothing to do with your eyes. Now go!

Drew some stuff in work.

>>4388552
i dont know what that means
but I know I need to simplify the forms first, I was trying to draw it all at once

>>4388541
It's not even the flatness I mind is the perspective /asymmetry.

>>4388566
Perspective is just feeling the form. The form is in 3D space. So if you feel the form you automatically get perspective.

>>4388559
Cute, Anon.

>>4388341
Does that really look okay to you? Do you not see how horrific that face is?

>>4388480
The problem is that he used construction but made the body an eldritch abomination when construction should be the hard part.

>>4388343
I honestly think you just don’t have a sense of appeal and I’m not sure how you can fix that. Post your favorite artists so i can figure out if you’re actually emulating someone else or you like appealing artists but fucked up the execution.

>>4388569
But I've told this to asukurwa many times.

>>4388468
She's hot. Post moar

>>4388524
I think focusing on the worse subject until it is not the worse anymore, then moving to new worse, is the way to get more bang for your buck.

okay what about this?
>>4388582
>>4388583
im sorry i just very often overestimate my abilities and try to draw from imagination too much cause Im up on the DK sinusoid and think I can do it

>>4388590
I agree with the other guy, post your favorite art/artists.

How to draw like Yoji Shinkawa?

is it normal to find it hard to draw circles because i'm starting fun with a pencil and trying to make circles on this tablet makes me wanna kms

>>4388600
norasuko is my favorite artist but I don't wanna draw like him anymore so what does it matter

>>4388633
There’s your problem. Picasso said it himself. “Good artists borrow. Great artists steal”. You should be finding quality artists (not just twitter art, study from masters as well) that you like and do studies to emulate parts of their style you like and bring it into your own work. I don’t know why you seem to think being inspired and learning from better artists is some type of weakness. It’s the smartest way to learn and not doing it is clearly hindering your progress. You have some of the basics down but you’re neglecting this other fundamental part of art.

>>4388628
Do you ghost them before you draw? Show us your circles.

>>4388654
i understand
but i really really want to nail down human anatomy figure drawing first
i know I maybe going in circles with it and maybe regressing even but that is what is on my mind anyway
Ive never been a good learner, I am a neet with no skills

>>4388667
Are you autistic? Whatever, do want you want.

>>4388670
what can I steal from other artists at this point I don't get it

>>4388663
yeah i am, but still having a lot of trouble with it. i've been trying to draw them slower or faster but i'm still not getting it

>>4388676
Yours are good, especially if you're beginner. Here is mine. Just keep practicing, confidence comes with practice.

>>4388675
Literally just draw copies of their art and you will eventually learn things

Reply with on point constructive criticism please, which fundies are lacking the most and reccomend some resources. to improve the problems in this. Maybe redline it. This is my first time using a fine liner.

>>4388692
but isn't it wiser to copy real life?

>>4388675
Do purposeful studies. If you like the way a particular artist renders, study it and focus on trying to recreate their rendering in your original art. If you like the way someone draws eyes, study that and bring it into your original art.

>>4388699
If you’re studying realism then draw realism. It doesn’t make sense for you to work on realism and studying drawing anime/ whatever art style you want to work with. It’s very presumptuous to assume that you’ll be able to deconstruct well without studying better artists. You can do both.

>>4388699
Even if you're going for realism, you're still going to want to copy some other artists.
Why do you think most art schools tell you to study from the old masters.
"study" literally means just copy the shit out of them and try to make it your own.

>>4388702
>>4388710
>>4388716
okay okay
i didnt pull this out of my arse, this is what I've read on /ic/ many times

>>4388699
No you fucking idiot you fell for that goddamn fucking meme.
Yes drawing real people is good but ALSO, figuring out how to move from real people to appealing stylized representations of people is a HARD PROBLEM and good artists have already SOLVED THAT PROBLEM FOR YOU so why in the world would you not STUDY WHAT THEY DID?
I hate this fucking shithole and its fucking crab advice

This no antialiasing brush makes me feel like I'm somewhat decent at lineart.
Should I stick to it while sketching or is it a crutch I'll regret later?

Why is this thread called "/beg/inners" when 99% of posts are from niggers who are obviously adept at drawing? Is everyone who can't draw photorealistic masterpieces from imagination considered beg here?

>>4388813
Basically yeah, if your work isn't pro level then it's /beg/. That seems to be the definition we've gravitated to.
People who don't draw have a distorted perception of what drawing is like. Learning to draw a person that almost kinda looks like a person, even from imagination, is actually not that hard. But the distance between that milestone and pro level is immense.

>>4388051
spray varnish on or even just spray some of your moms hairspray over the piece. if you dont want it to smear but want to keep working on it then put a piece of paper under the part of your palm that rests on the page.

>>4388813
Here (or just /ic/ in general and on the Internet in general) basically everyone is /beg/ level even if you are already working professional. Because finding a problem in something is super easy, finding something "you do not like about something" is easy, even friggin' babies can do that even tough they can't even talk. The bigger problem is that none of those are actually helpful for a person's art development.

I can't

>>4388841
I know it's a stereotype, but I basically never see people just mindlessly shitting on pro level work here. The only example I can think of is Peter Han's Skywalker drawing, but even then no one called it /beg/ from what I remember.
And also just because someone is literally paid to make art doesn't necessarily mean their work is what I would consider to be a pro level. See: Ethan Becker.

okay then here is a quick InCase study

What to do next after I felt the form?

>>4388875
drawing stuff

goblin/bean guy from last thread

>>4387962
Above the average first drawings from others

>>4388896
yeah, I bet. How are those beans coming along bean boy? why don't you just go and tend to your beans if you love beans so much, bean boy?

>>4388896
if it's from no ref you should leave

>>4388171
>idk.. like... >_<*... ugh.. like i mean.. idk idk
shut the fuck up

>>4388688
Thanks, that helps a lot! I'm stressing out too much about it I guess.

Where to find reference pictures of specific body parts in varying poses? Feet specifically in this case, since they're usually obscured or too small in full-pose pictures.

>>4388171
generic

>>4388694
lol

Why do I get way better results by drawing however I like rather then following the autistic crap from the books such as "sighting strategy" or "plumb and level" or whatever? I'm starting to feel like all those drawing books are actually fucking worthless and if I wanna make it I should just draw the stuff I enjoy the way I enjoy instead of following some retarded guidelines.

Just trying to draw with a moving reference quick sketch prob 10 minutes

I don't want to become a pro but I want to at least be happy with what I draw. I think I'm 1/16 of the way there. Any advice on keeping up positivity, bros? The only thing I've been relying on is the dopamine rush from learning how to draw new/more things.

>>4388590

>>4388923
Not with that linework

>>4388991
Yeah you mostly have to find your own methods that work for you.

Hey there, it's been a while since I've posted here. A bit more training and maybe I'll be finally able to leave here.
Any thoughts or ideas of what I should improve?

>>4389010
Linework is a lot easier to learn and fix up than the other parts.
If it's no ref then it's pretty good by /beg/ standards, better than what most people here could do anyway.

I used to draw ok back in the day like 5 or 6 years ago but didn't take it too seriously, last year I decided to try harder and found out I had forgotten most of how to draw but keep on trying starting with loomis and stuff.

Today after not doing anything for like 3 months I found out I have forgotten everything of the topic. what do

>>4389016
It's not quite there, but I don't know why.
Frankly I'm terrified of when I'll eventually hit your level. When the mistakes are no longer obvious, but you know therr are still some. Right now all of my mistakes are obvious so it's easy to know what to work on next.

>>4387342
more from imagination, and blue X ones are from memory. fucked up the faces especially hard

>>4389030
also the motorbike is floating lol

I just started watching vilppu senpai and here's one of the better gestures i did from reference today after like an hour of practicing. Please give me some feedback anons.

>>4389037
useless drawing, eye sockets too high, circle is wrong

>>4389016

>>4389026

>>4389016
her left (viewer's right) looks a bit off at the knee

>>4389030
>fucked up the faces especially hard
did you used a construction?

also second girl pee herself lol

>>4389062
Stop being retarded and unhelpful

>>4389079
>did you used a construction?
no , I was doing it in pen except for the last one
>also second girl pee herself lol
kek

>>4389026
I flip back and forth between whether I want you to fail or succeed, Asukafag.

>>4389016
super nice, how do we get as good as you? did you use any books? imo her left leg is fucked, especially the rotation of the foot, as a /beg/ I'd recommend keeping it on the similar axis to the knee rotation (no source)

>>4389037
try the loomis method

>>4389085
i dont know what to do anymore, all methods of learning are failing

>>4389089
YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANY IN THE FIRST PLACE RETARD

>>4389037
You draw the structure then proceed to completely ignore it. Tells me that you don't understand how to construct and just doing what you think you're supposed to do.

>>4389090
okay if you say so

>>4389083
>>4389030
memory / imagination

>>4389093
i don't have to, your drawings speaks by itself

>>4389016
who is this poster? should I know you?

>>4389094
if you did that in 30 seconds then you are alright anything more and you should hit loomis asap

>>4389100
loomis seems long winded and not useful for imagination drawing. I don't have time to study books really - I'd rather just draw instead in attempt to get better.

>>4389089
you are improving anon, slowly, but still.

>>4389100
also, take a look at this worm I saw walking home
was 30 cm long and thick as a pen

>>4389089
Maybe switch it up a bit.
Instead of figure drawing, draw some other shit.
Try drawing more mechanical things like cars or planes or whatever.
Drawing the same thing over and over can cause you to stagnate.

>>4389086
I started to draw in the past year, I don't use books (very busy life, I don't have much time for anything), it's one of the reasons I suck at constructing. I mostly trained by drawing based on photos and references.
I would recommend bridgmans book (it's the only one I've read), if you are interested. I'm just very persistent at whatever I'm drawing and I only finish a piece when there's nothing else I can do with my beginner skill

>>4389059
>>4389088
>>4389091
Thanks for the feedback, I've been kinda flipping through a book and wanted to know why this one came out especially bad. But I see your point about ignoring the structure, because now going back to the drawings I like more, I was doing that there too.

>>4389115
that's nice sweety :)

>>4389089
You're actually improving faster than some other people.
Unfortunately drawing doesn't work the way you think it does. No one can "teach you how to draw" and then after they teach you you start drawing good. You have to practice for years, and for multiple years you will be bad. Then eventually you will be good. That's the only way to do it, no one can teach you anything that will let you skip those years of practice.

>>4389096
Dude.
Literally no one here just "reads Loomis" and then comes back with good drawings.
No one.
They read Loomis and they still suck.
Stop telling people that if they would just read X book then they would become good, it's a total lie and it gives people false expectations and it makes them feel bad when they inevitably fail to meet those expectations.

>>4389107
not him but
>not useful for imagination drawing
that is totally not true

Also learn from someone is more time efficient that learn by pure trial and error. It does not have to be loomis nor books tho.

>>4389123
Fuck you, that's way better than anything I could do and I've been drawing for a year and a half.
How long did that take you and how much/what kind of references did you use.

>>4389136
imagine being this retarded

>>4389135

god I hope an another hobby I have will provide me with money until I learn to draw or else I will be a neet forever

>>4389136
>coping this hard

you learn your fundies so you can take on complex stuff more easily but nobody does it correctly, 99% of begs think that because you drew the same shit from a book a few times and watched some proko videos you are already set, but mastering a basic level of forms/perscpetive could take you a month and then learning the real shit like anatomy could take you 6 months nobody in here does that your average beg just rushes everything in one week or desn't even finish the book and the results are drawings like his who is the average beg work.

>>4389151
how to do it correctly

>>4389147
use a fucking ref

>>4389136
Read Loomis.

I have about 12 hours of free time every day not counting weekeends(do-nothing job where I'm pretty much an employed NEET) but I can't for the life of me motivate myself to start fucking grinding at least 4 hours a day, any tips on how to force myself to stay on track?

>>4389147
Not bad, anon.

>>4389094
another from imagination
>>4389139

drawing a skeleton like that seems so dumb and inefficient and impossible to place , every page is a wall of text, it's more fun this way, than spending time for drawing in reading that and copying that shit
>>4389133
thanks mom

>>4389147
Cute, got a blog Maka anon?

>>4389164
If all you ever want to draw are unfinished looking awkwardly positioned hookers then sure, why not.

>>4389164
1 more
>>4389166
do not insult my hookers

ok maybe if i analyzed the bones first and then try to simplify them and memorize all

>>4389153
by not moving into the next thing until you have master it, if takes you one day, week or even a month to place correctly the axis inside a ball then you do it.

>b-but anon if it takes me that much maybe im jusr retarded, i will rather keep drawing my shit instead

then you probably are if it takes you that long, the point is that you can make it regardless but will you? it's a choice and the average faggot here will chose to jump into the next thing asap and then you see shit like this>>4389183
>>4389164
>>4389147
>>4389037
>>4389016
>>4389026
and so on.

>>4388171
Really cute, work on the tshirt though

I've never posed here before, but here's something I did thinking about how easily Soleimani's killing has been forgotten

>>4389210
forgot the picture lol

>>4388171
bad

>>4389185

>>4389160
Start small anon

>>4389164

Yeah it is more fun to just draw, it will just take more time. I just thought you wanted a more time efficient route.

>drawing a skeleton like that seems so dumb and inefficient and impossible to place

Do you mean the mannequin? How is that inefficient tho?

Bully me

>>4387827
Thanks anon, I tried my best to implement what you said. Hopefully the silhouette pops from the background better after I put some filters over it. Otherwise might bring this into Photoshop later to mess with the levels.

trying to figure out the jaw. getting closer to understanding heads

>>4389190
>you shouldn't draw until you are good at drawing

>>4389286
>he draws before making 6 figures on coomissions with his art

>>4388578
Can you be more specific though?

>>4388813
>adept at drawing

Like who? They all look crap to me.

>>4389292
Well you see night lights hits off turning kisses to BITES I'm a down to earth nigga with intentions that's right I'll be down in earth if you diss me tonight

>>4389298
Don't wanna seem like a punk pussy thy sips on the punk pussy

>>4389298

>>4389026
Step in the right direction but still needs more form. Contour lines still flattening out where they should be following the form.

>>4389273
Neat idea
>>4389147
looks like a 13 old drew it

>>4389147
Well I recognized that it was Maka, so it could be worse I guess.

>>4389004
Try listening to some ambient music while drawing, I recommend the albums by Aphex Twin. Don't forget to do research and take short breaks.

>>4389140
I picked a random site from the sticky once in a while for reference and that was it, I guess.
I also pose 3d models sometimes.

>>4389160
tell me what is this comfy job?

>>4389403
Being Proko's imagination

>>4389410

>>4389298
Unironically give up on drawing

>>4389424
Fuck you're right, I'll be singing. "ON THE ROAD AGAIN" thanks for opening my eyes that I will never make it no matter what I do

>>4389424
I'll be listening to kid cudi now I ALWAYS END BACK IN A CYCLE OF SHAME LOOKING IN THE MIRROR IS HARD

>>4389276
god I wish I was this guy

>>4389190
how to burn out in one easy step.

>>4389155
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>>4389321
>>4389162
>>4389165
>>4389326

OK I can see some flaws now, so aside from half-assed boots and hands, the long torso, and the fact that she would fall, is there anything else? I am asking because I want to keep an eye out for my most common mistakes.

Also thanks anyway.

>>4389440
You can draw things for fun on the side, but you better be getting those circles and spheres right.

>>4389183
>>4389164
can't sleep, must draw more shit !
>>4389410
lmao
>>4389250
yeah man I'm just being silly, I'll probably look at some books soon - I have a kindle so I could probably fit it in. What topics are important besides figures? Composition? color? is there something important I need to study along with anatomy?
but drawing that skeleton seems just as hard as drawing the full figure, you know what I mean?

>>4389123
>I would recommend bridgmans book
Which one in particular?

>>4389443
You've got it backwards. If enjoyment doesn't come first you're going to make excuses to avoid drawing.
Do the autism on the side only when you're particularly motivated.

>>4389431
Please just draw copies of other people's art.

>>4389469
>he only enjoys one aspect of his supposed '' passion/hobby''

>>4389492
It's ok to not enjoy drawing. If you want to git gud then it's ok to work hard at it even if it's not fun.

>>4389458
Don’t even think about color until you can draw

>>4389493
>he only enjoys things if they are fun

>>4389492
guilty.
but also, some things just take longer to click than others, and trying to work through them when your brain isn't at max power is going to be unproductive at the very least, even if you enjoy it.

>>4387749

>What topics are important besides figures?
Assuming you want to focus on drawing characters I would say, of the top of my head, draftsmanship and anatomy are the main ones, then perspective and clothing, then composition, color and character design.

>is there something important I need to study along with anatomy?
No, I think it is better to focus at one thing at the time. Basically this >>4388589

>but drawing that skeleton seems just as hard as drawing the full figure
Well, there are simpler ones, and after you understand it you can come up with your own too.
Here some others https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGqLd8aLnAfGwoKrOquOvPw8F4p1MaFLc

>>4389501
I agree with you, that was the plan.
but I've been in some small time art galleries and there are always lots of generic watercolors of 'x seaside town #326489234' , 'x green hills #2374684' which honestly would not even take much effort to learn to reproduce (nowhere near so much as figures from imagination) - but selling for over 100 each. I have no passion for that kind of art but it is tempting

>>4389276
You posted in the last thread too anon. Your skill level is clearly higher than the rest here. If you want some constructive feedback you should post in one of the other threads.

>>4389538
I may not be a complete /beg/ but I'm 100% unaccomplished. I enjoy posting in an active thread where a good amount of people are trying to improve.

>>4389525
thanks for reply
>draftsmanship
what exactly is this? how do I learn it?

>>4389538
A bunch of floating Loomis heads does not graduate someone from /beg/.

>cant practice for more than 30minutes at a time without getting frustrated

>>4389430
>>4389428
stop crying, keep drawing

Taimanin Asagi

>>4389334
Thanks anon, will do.

>>4389276
what loomis book are you studying drawing those?

>>4388547
looks like cock and ball haha

I suck at drawing from imagination when the character is standing at slight angle like pic related.
Should I just copy more images images until I have It memorized on how it works and then try it from imagination?

Figuring out alien anatomy is fucking hard when there's no official reference for it

>>4389722
Since it's based on human anatomy, you could learn from that.

forearms are hard but i understand them a bit more

>>4389749
Cute

>>4389725
Of course. I was talking more about the placement and shape of the white "armor" pieces. I ended up taking bits I liked from whatever fanart or r34 I had laying around and mashed it together. Different artist's interpretations of what a naked Turian looks like varies wildly.

How do you all read through artbooks i.e. Loomis. Do you buy the physical copy, use a kindle, or just read the pdf on a monitor?

>>4389803
With my eyes. It makes no difference.

>>4388171
Soul

>>4389803
>can't figure out how to read a book without hand holding
give up now

>>4387831
The second. You come back to old images better if you've developed new skills, redoing the same image multiple times without new knowledge is the definition of diminishing returns

>>4389730
>>4389732
Do you have something that automatically puts that text down the bottom or are you just that autistic that it's something you spend time on doing ever each drawing?

I don’t know how to align the eyes. Can someone give some advice?

>>4389856
Draw a line around the sphere/head

>>4389856
golf ball + sharpie

>>4389898
Why specifically a golf ball and not some other kind of ball?

>>4389856
Unironically for eyes and their alignment, you need Loomis. Pic related

>>4389160
Find something you can get into Anon and you can connect that drawing. Then go step by step.

Random idea: Do you like fish? Look a picture of fish and draw different one every day fro ma reference.

If you get tired of it draw a different part of the fish like maybe a a magnified version of a fish scale, or an eye or a fish skeleton.

If you are bored with that draw something more loosely related to fish like food made out of fish or fish from characters from cartoons. or your animu waifus wearing fish costumes or being mermaids. etc.

At the end of the day it is just about connecting two topics together with one being something you are really into which can be anything really. And you do not have to marry that subject you can change the subject from "fish to crabs" (I am sorry I had to) for example.

The main goal is to find something that gets your attention and you are able to focus on, granted this is not easy but you can do it, even if you pick a different topic every day. Just make it "that day" make a day penguin day, next shark day, next I dunno flying saucer day and on and on.

>>4389185
good stuff do more of this please I have a huge problem understanding the pelvis

>>4389911
nta, but thanks kana anon.

>>4389904
the divots keep it from rolling around as much and help idiotproof the marking. but use any kind of ball you have.

>>4389907
That’s really useful. Thanks Anon

Is just better to put all the color on it without the lineart and then define the details and edges or is better doing lineart and fill it with color later?, i find the second approach kinda frustrating especially because my lineart sucks and I lost patience and a lot of time but I've never tried the second one i think.. any advice?.

>>4389927
Neither is better than the other Anon, they are different but both are roads to the same destination. It depends on which you find more comfortable or which you find faster or which one will be more efficient based on the end result you aim for .

>>4389927
I like your lines

Another eye. Trying to make a pen brush that I'm happy with and practice hatching with it. But all my lines don't seem to go where I want today. Happy with the new brush though.

>>4389974
Hatching is very hard, it will take time. It's even harder if you do it digitally.

>>4389981
Yeah I noticed it's way easier on paper. And almost everyone I see doing it on youtube does it on paper.

>>4388694
>Reply with on point constructive criticism please
Do you know where we are?

wage guy practice

drawing that's the only thing i do now

Decided to do some gesture since it's more relaxing. This she-hulk has so many muscles I didn't really know what to do with the arms.

>>4389273
made a little collage visual aid, some mtg art that may help you, i could see this picture being on a card or something, idk if thats what you were going for but anyway remember to also make your art readable i.e. make silhouettes visible even when the picture is far away, make clear distinctions between background and foreground and subject etc. look up swatches on youtube he has some videos where he makes mtg art / crits other ppls art and explains thought process

somehow the position of the sword doesnt look natural. it looks quite heavy for a skelly like him, unless he posesses a ridiculous grip strength he would probably bend his arm a little, making the change in angle less steep and putting some of the load onto his upper arm like top right of pic rel.
with the other pictures the pose and angle of the blade to character, in combination with the pose, gives you information about the strength of the character as well as the weight of the sword/ the speed of the motion.

>>4389546
>what exactly is this?
What I mean is your ability of make marks on the paper/tablet, like you know what a circle is like, but your hand just don't obey you. So you can imagine how leaning anatomy but having bad draftsmanship skills would be useless.


>how do I learn it?
something like drawabox

>>4390022
I understand his frustration, I think in the last thread the only reply to him was "I couldnt even tell this is a lion". That said, I kinda find it hard to criticize something like this desu.

>>4388694

do you have another drawing? Maybe you will have more luck. Like anon said >>4390051 it is hard to say anything about it.

>>4388694
Well it's a lot easier to tell that it's a lion this time.
Honestly when you're in the very early stages of learning there's not much point in asking for critique. The critique is that you should draw more, it never really changes until you level up a bit. I guess one of the most obvious problems here is that you weren't able to represent the lion's fur well, but also, going really deep into trying to learn how to render fur wouldn't be a good use of your time right now. Just keep sketching things.

>>4390028
http://cheolhweekwon.blogspot.com/2013/07/1-365-2010092020110919.html

>>4389826
I like to track my time.

>>4390028
In the divided rectangular grids you have there, the divisions are all almost equally spaced. But the divisions of the grid that are further away from you should be noticeably smaller than the ones closer to you. If you're going to use a foreshortened grid like that, then you should actually take the time to set up a horizon line and vanishing points and draw everything precisely. Otherwise it's not a very useful exercise.

>>4389257
I like it. looks like an evil jewish shrink

artist LeraPi study

>>4390146
ok now one from imagination
is this better than previous ones

>>4390175
They will all be bad, for thousands of drawings.

>>4390194
well hopefully in a few years i will be able to draw female torso

>>4390199
A few years is a good goal to shoot for. Just keep at it.

>>4389948
did u draw this? cool

>>4389907
>No flat plane!
racist

looking to jump into digital art as a way of saving money, what app has the best replication of oil on canvas? Which looks the most legit?

>>4389160
Holy shit what is this job? Sounds like you have struck gold even if it pays shitty.

>>4390216
ART-RAGE

>>4388500
Make the comic even more uninteresting?
No, I don't think it's possible.

is there a reasonable way to get even lighting for photographing your work?

>>4390194
>for thousands of drawings

Get fucked. Practice smarter not harder. Of course rote repetition will get no results because you just make the same mistakes over and over.

okay change of method

I will stop using that stupid pencil and try to just use one brush for everything
not separating lines and shading makes it easier to show form I think
at least when I draw on paper

inspired by that based non-/beg/ anon here that does this very specific studies

>>4390210
Thanks :3

>>4390235
god bless you, cunt

>>4390252
pyw
Oh wait you're a shitty /beg/ and you have nothing to show for all your "smart" practicing.
That's what I thought.

>>4390239
:(

>>4390251
Flash is usually frowned upon because it flattens a photograph, so I'm guessing it'll work for you.

>>4390174
Blog?

What are some books that are actually useful for begs? So far I've tried 3(How to draw, Keys to Drawing, Drawing on the right side ofthe brain) and they've all been shit for different reasons.

>>4390375
Books can’t be shit, only the reader. Draw more.

>>4390375
No book can actually teach you how to draw. Make lots of copies of art you like and then try again.

>>4390377
drawing on the right side of the brain is a dozen pages worth of information buried within three hundred pages of hippie bullshiting.

>>4390397
I don’t get why /beg/ think they can say that about the book, but can’t draw at all. Maybe actually listen to a superior for once?

>>4389515

>>4390397
Why has nobody made a version that cuts out all the bullshit

>>4390377
You clearly don't read.

>>4390417
This

>>4390409
don't know if it is intentional, but the cube edges are not straight.

>>4390417
how do you know that nobody has?

>>4390375
Vilppu's book, but his videos are even better. With drawing it really helps to see it in action.

>>4390339
last time i tried the flash it gave my shit phone camera fits, even on blank paper, let alone with graphite. but i'm also retarded when it comes to cameras.

>>4390066
>>4390073

I managed to get a good response when I posted it on a discord critique channel, I was suggested to try and do more studies on tone, since it looks a bit flat.

>>4390675
if imagination then impressive

>>4390712
if only. I just wanted to have a go at drawing clothed people. references used for all but the top left are here. found the last one on pinterest but didnt save it

>>4390675
These are cute. The lines could be cleaner, but they're not horrible.

What's a good brush or pencil for putting values in CSP? Mainly for sketching purposes.

critique

>>4390857
a useless study

>>4390966
thanks for the reply
what should i do instead
i make a few like this without erasing
i spend too much time sketching
I try to study hands/body most of the time but empty faces

Will someone guide me if i post daily?

>>4390982
if you want to do a face, do it in a perspective where you will learn something. this srudy doesn't even need loomis

>>4391007
something like this?
one vanishing point
mapping and proporcions?

>>4390857
Feel the form.

Practicing feeling the form.

>>4388610
master drawing and only use ink and water color

>>4388896
theres no way you can draw like that with such shitty line work, i smell cheese

>>4389016
some of the shading and proportions are a bit off imo, and the hand are a bit stiff try to make it more dynamic and its really good :DD

>>4391454
Butt.

>>4389026
perspective is off
>>4389115
nice worm
>>4389147
perspective and proportions
>>4389411
cute
>>4389701
you're trying to draw in 3/4 or something, learn perspective and draw a 2 point perspective on the paper as you're gonna draw and construct from that, there are a lot of videos on youtube to learn how to do that, thats one of the first things i learned when starting to draw figures its real important i think
>>4390251
natural lighting from a window in the day is the best

>>4391582
Anatomy is for nerds. The cock goes here right?

>>4391639

Are "figure drawing for all its worth" and "drawing the head and hands" the only Loomis books worth learning from?

>>4391644
I'm leveling up, one day I'll escape from /beg/

>>4391721
Loomis isn't worth learning from. Except maybe on what makes a pretty girl's face pretty.

>>4389004
I really love your crosshatching and shading in general.

>>4387962
Good, Cuz its compelling and proves that you're heading on the right path.

>>4388569
Perspective is portraying the 3D volume property of a figure in real space. In case of how it is perceived by the eye, (because orthogonal and parallel perspectives too portray the volume of an object)
it is know by depth foreshadowing which means that as objects Sway away, this look smaller and converge. That of feeling the Form, is about recalling from memory or through construction, how is such figure meant to look in space.

I just realized something... How do you guys draw? is it at a 45 degree angle to the paper or do you draw straight above it, do any of these techniques have significant drawback? (no pun intended)