/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4368965
Thoughts on my model portrait, made with oil pastels.

ok anon said to also draw men..

help

Appreciate the reply from last thread, will look into proper settings for digital art. Re posting because I posted right at the end of the thread.

I kinda wish I knew how to do better line-art and rendering, for example thickening of lines and understanding how and where to use it. I also want to learn how to do colouring properly, in terms of hair and softer shading. Also, just having problems with hair in general.

The small hand probably irks me the most.

>>4368975
fix skull nigger

>>4368976
you have good potential. leave beg before it's not too late because you will never get good advice from lower tier artists.

>>4368975
it has nice gesture, for how long have you been doing figure drawing?

>>4369096
5 months

>>4369047
based, only come to beg to keep your ego in check because almost everyone here is a crab

>>4369047
i thought that too but maybe i just like tummies xP

>>4369017
then fix it
>>4368972
dont run before you can walk anon

>>4369112
> dont run before you can walk anon

Post
Your
Work

>>4369101
nice, that gives me hope, do you usually use refference?

>>4369112
>then fix it

Eh, I've erased and re-drawn enough already. It bugs me but it took me forever to draw that hand even though it's fucked up and I'd hate to get rid of it and start down the long and bumpy path again. I'd rather be working on something new.

>>4368972

study head construction then use those construction to study real people.

Loomis
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston

pick one teacher I personally prefer Hampton and Huston over Loomis.

>>4369124
this, polishsing shit is one of the best ways to get burned out

>>4369123
yes

>>4369126
what wrong with the head?

Based on my last post in /beg/ I was told to practice more proportions and stuff. So I made the "mistake" (or maybe not mistake) of improving my skills in perspective and form because I didn't know where to start when trying to learn proportion.

I tried using the pencil measuring idea, but I counldn't get accurate proportions and I couldn't associate how it related to capturing the form of a photo. Instead I decided to put more emphasis on negative space, based on the images am I taking the right approach to making my drawings better proportioned while keeping the form.

The first image is basically my attempt of recognising the negative space for each fundamental form in diffrent perspectives, is this relevant?

>>4369100
the perspective on your cubes is the worst thing in the picture. but your blurry smudges and sloppy hatching are bad too.

>>4368972
the nose is VERY jewish.

Is this thread already dead.

Do people flip out if completed work is posted with our blog name written in it?

>have an easier time drawing hands than lips
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4369210
probably not, ypu could probably blur it if you want to.

please criticise
is it bad to draw with no construction? If I did it becomes chickenscratch

>>4369259
who is this? she is gorgeous

good resources on learning clothing?

I want to get better at drawing faces at angles. I'm already familiar with construction. Is it efficient to draw pages full of faces at whatever angle I can imagine, or should I stick to reference images until I'm capable of drawing at any given angle? Maybe I should just try both for a week.
>>4369210
That kind of tism usually doesn't happen here. If you feel safer removing the name, just do it.

Someone critique my studies please.
>>4369157

>>4369259
one with construction lines, erased while drawing

>>4369259
one with construction lines , erased while drawing

I knew I was a shit artist as soon as I realized I've never been paid for art and no one has ever asked me how I do something. No one says I really like your style can you teach me this or that. Never happened. But sometimes it's good at least to know. It's like if a girl breaks up with you. I'd rather she tell me my breath stinks or im ugly. If you're going to crush my heart and soul you could at least give me something to work on that might be in my blind spot. Or you could just say nothing and be polite because that makes you feel better.

>>4369420
dude you're /beg/ of course people aren't going to be impressed
now get to drawing
don't think how bad you are right now, think of how much better you'll be 2 months from now, 4 months from now, 6 months from now, 1 year from now, 3 years from now, 10 years from now but only if you keep drawing, if you keep struggling, if you keep grinding.
When you're bad, and we all are, you can only get better.

Go cool off. Spend some time doing something relaxing. Get your mind off drawing for a bit and then come back.

>>4369420
Nice blog, but your drawing is fucked pretty badly perspective wise. Try copying or tracing other pics to understand how a pose from a certain perspective should look, right now I can't tell what angle your drawing is supposed to be in

>>4369437
>Spend some time doing something relaxing. Get your mind off drawing for a bit


>now get to drawing

Is everyone here actually retarded?

>>4369440
>He cant draw whilst multitasking
Ngmi

>>4369405

>>4369420
>he draws to impress and not for self improvement
Never going to make it with that mindset.

Got some sketching done today. Left was me trying to draw a male for like the 3rd time. I really did try to remember that males have muscles and are more angular than females. The right is an anthro version of an Aggron, a Pokemon. I also kept it more human than not, since I drew a thick woman then just replaced the head with the Pokemon head and added bits and pieces of the Pokemon parts. Hopefully I can get some criticism regarding my attempted male and thick woman sketches while I take a gym break. Drawing all day isn't too good for ya I think.

>>4369487
literally loomis, you know nothing of actual anatomy and need to buckle down

Will drawing like this help me with figure drawing? I mean I'm sure it won't hurt but are timed figure drawings and gesture better teaching aids or is anatomy essential?

>>4369487
You need Loomis and to study perspective and anatomy.

>>4369134

everything

>>4369514
Drawing the muscles just like that is a waste of time imo, but I don't think timed gesture will teach you much anatomy.

>>4369513
>>4369515
I see.

>>4369259
Drawing without construction is fine people here have strong emphasis on construction is because /ic/ end goal is to draw from imagination and construction is a mean for that. Construction is easier to memorize than complex shapes

>>4369520
I doubt that but you're just crabbing.

>>4369524
Ok, but it can't be *that* bad, right? I do construction, I do the basic shapes, I always use a reference, even if I think I know how it should look, I use one. Keep giving it to me straight. Rather have the depressing truth than a lie.

First tablet just came in the mail today. Installed FireAlpaca and drew this epic Hypno.
Where do I go from here?

Been drawing with pure ink for the past year, trying to branch out into more complex, traditional-looking art (this is done on digital though)

>>4369574
Where do you want to go?

Any advice on this?
What can I improve?
Thanks in advance.

You’re cool if you know what hes from. And yes still unfinished have to do shading. Also just decided on a whim to outline the darker shadows, think it was a mistake but we’ll see I guess.

>>4369609
get some better lighting or adjust your camera settings or something, hard to tell with your picture. From what I can see, arms are too skinny, chess and face proportions are off, the way the right leg is drawn makes it look like its broken instead of being lifted up because its from the wrong perspective. Cloth ripples also need some work. Keep going, you're getting there.

>>4369316
The dude on the left looks like a character of mine, did you make it yourself? I'm legitimately curious if it's just a coincidence or not lol

(Also ignore the quality of his drawing, this was from a really old thing I did)

>>4369655
yea it was just a really generic throwaway minute scribble

>>4369668
Ah figured as such lol

For christ's sake help me

Thanks for the help earlier anon. I didn't fully fix it because drawing things in the exact perspective I want still fucks me up. This shot was difficult for me but I'll get it down easier in time

>>4369643
Sorry for picture quality, that's the best thing I have at hand.
Thanks, I'll try to work on those aspects harder.

>>4369691
Alright, anon, I'm going to give you a small tip because I'm a huge footfag. Feet don't have that weird 'butt' shape on the sole like that. They're like the palms of your hand in that, sure there is muscles in that shape, but you don't see them so pronounced like that. The only instance you'd see it is they were squeezing the sole of their foot together manually. See pic related, you can see the slight line in the middle, but artists often exaggerate it badly and it looks gross.

>>4369704
You just reminded me that I forgot to put lighting between those feet cheeks and blend a space between them. God darnit. I've really been in a rush with art today

>>4369704
Who's the bitch?

>>4369691
im gonna LICK her feet

>>4369716
Goes by rubyangel I think? Someone posted her pics on /tv/ a while back and I reverse searched from there. If you want I'll upload her pics and a couple videos to gdrive or something?

>>4369100
I really dont understand why people aren't able to draw cubes correctly

>>4369713
Well in any case, I liked the pic regardless, but seeing artists consistently make those weird footbutts makes me sad.

>>4369751
>tfw /ic/ memes you so hard about drawing boxes that you can do it well now in perspective
>cringe anything you see someone draw a box because they clearly don't know perspective and draw a fucked up box
>typically it's the corner part where it makes the illusion complete
>it's like there's multiple VPs
I hate you guys so much, but at least I can draw boxes. This applies to circles too, drives me up the wall when I see someone draw a circle by chicken scratching.

>>4369759
I literally cannot draw a decent circle without using multiple strokes. I can draw sort of fucked up oblong things in one stroke, but I feel like it's god damn impossible to make a "perfect" circle in one stroke.

>>4369754
At least I didnt go chaotic evil and add wrinkles

Can someone clarify for me -- do both of these count as chicken scratch?
I draw like the upper one a lot. I avoid the bottom as much as possible, but I don't ghost strokes either.
I just go for it, and when I feel it going off, I bail, and come back to it later. (Half a second later, but ygwim?) Sometimes I will touch up, like with the three shorter strokes.

Is this bad? Should I practice ghosting?

>>4369770
You should practice ghosting.

The first isn't chicken scratching and it's fine stylistically, but generally speaking you shouldn't be doing things just because your skill level isn't where it needs to be. If you want to draw circles like that you should first be able to draw a circle and then say "this is just how I like drawing my circles". But never "I HAVE to draw circles like this because I can't be bothered to learn how to ghost".

Same as with chicken scratching for that matter. Lots of artists have a sketchy style, but not because they can't draw clean lines. They choose not to. Never hide your flaws behind style. Fix them then decide your style.

>>4369773
Thank you, anon!
I will add ghosting to my lil study rotation.

>>4369770
Are you using more than your wrist to draw

HOW THE FUCK DO I RENDER AHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>4369783
"more" as in "arm"?
Yeah, if the stroke is pretty big.
I think I draw more my fingers, than with my arm.
I definitely ghost when I do that, but it's not something I do a lot.

>>4369798
>I think I draw more *with* my fingers, than with my arm.
>I definitely ghost when I do *draw with my arm*, but it's not something I do a lot.

Damn, why do I type and edit like this.

I'm never going to make progress AAAHHHHH

>>4369861
finish a drawing first
also what the fuck are you using, looks like you drew this in ms paint

Alright, so here's the full version of what I was working on with that Aggron. And honestly, I'm still left a bit confused. So, when I posted the previous time, I just got told "loomis" and to study anatomy. I get the anatomy part and I do try to use irl references so I learn anatomy. I do just draw just to practice drawing, not everything I do I turn into a full drawing. But I will admit. I skipped reading loomis because I was told that it's a meme and that as long as I knew basic construction, it's fine and that drawing from life will yield better results. I did read Fun With A Pencil and got bored. I really did and I just stopped and decided to keep drawing with references. I really do want to make it, even if the crits hurt haha.

>>4369872
Bro, I'm gonna be honest. If you read and practice the techniques from Figure Drawing For All It's Worth, and remade that pic, it would look 50x better. Your construction, perspective, proportions, and anatomy are all severely lacking.

>>4369872
What are you confused about specifically?

>>4369535
but is drawing without it still beneficial for imagi native drawing?

>>4369872
Look my dude, I don't know what to tell you aside from either study more or look at pictures until you get some anatomy ingrained.

>>4369473
I like the face on this

Hoping to learn how to draw buildings and such and i thought drawing a bunch of box and combining them is a good approach. Am i wasting my time with this process.

>>4369976
It's probably a good idea, since your boxes look pretty bad. If you want to draw buildings, you need to be able to draw straight and controlled lines, in perspective. That works the same for all boxes.

ashika reference

this one is fucked
>>4369473
>>4369405
>>4369259
>>4366793
>>4366897
what book / area should I be reading and practising?

Should I work on both books at the same time or one after the other?

>>4369688
Start with learning how to draw a circle in a single brush stroke

>>4369903
is that supposed to be Killua?

I'm trying to heads a little more than gesture and put some characteristics, how is it so far? I'm I doing it the right way or not. I'm still having problems with head and hair shapes and proportion , but improving at least

>>4370105
More

>>4370106

>>4370107

>>4370105
they look totally fine

>>4370036
Second attempt

>>4369872
I wanted to try sketching your piece to see if I could give you some ideas.
inb4 blind leading the blind.

Hi! /beg/

what is the fucking point of even posting here? just a waste of time, , nobody is critiquing

>>4370157
Cute!

>>4370106
This one looks like you drew a different head entirely.

>>4370207
I got nowhere to go so its just post here and wait for a 1/10 chance

Okay, lines are still scratchy but getting a bit better. Don't have to draw ten lines and erase stragglers to get something like the line I wanted now. So it's a thing that improves with practice, and I'm not stuck in hand tremor country forever. That's a relief.

Last 3/4 pose with hidden hands before I start looking into how to draw them and feet. Eyes are after that, I only know how to draw one kind, looking at one direction, and poorly at that.

>>4369916
Ok, I'll take a look at that today
>>4369933
Oh, about being told "Loomis" when I had posted. I didn't really get why.
>>4369941
That's the plan haha
>>4370152
Haha, thanks for the idea. funny thing, that pose actually was my initial idea. If I redo this sketch, I might actually end up doing it.

>>4370227
Gmi bro, this is exactly how you should be analyzing your progress and planning your studies.

>>4369939
as long it gets you drawing then its all fine but don't just draw from reference you have to test your memory too!

I made this for Tower using a reference. I fucked up the hands.

Been drawing this for like a valentine themed thing.
Still WIP, but doesn't look too bad at this stage IMO.
I would be very thankful for criticism.

>>4369704
g-g-got any m-m-more reference images for s-s-study purposes?

>>4370309
enjoy your RSI

>>4369572
it's not good. literally the /beg/est of /beg/. Just study bro

How's it so far?

Howdo i get to draw the abs?

>>4368975

>>4370351
your sketch is so blurry idk what you want us to say about it. looks like fucking shit.

>>4370352
i like it asuka poster. i know its you because the sunken in eyes and grandma lips, but i think the character design is cool. one thing that stands out to me is the armor around the collar bone is grooked. its too high on the right or too low on the left. and idk maybe we should see a bit of the ear on the right side, maybe not. cant tell. i really like it mang. see it looks cool when you finish something. anatomically it has issues but its still cool. Do more like this. even if it's Asuka, render it. It looks nice.

>>4370362
For one, how to unblurry it. I'd appreciate that.

>>4370351
>>4370373
You stupid idiot

>>4370366
thanks
>character design
it's Vivec from Morrowind, didn'd design him :(

>>4370351
It's very blurry, and you've messed up the proportions. You drew his arms too short and head too small.
Look at the negative space between the arms and the torso, and you'll probably see the problem with them. Or just superimpose your drawing on the ref.

>>4370352
fix hands nigger

>>4370047
next one from imagination
>>4370255
what ratio of study:imagination should there be?

>>4370352
I think you're so used to drawing Asuka's hourglass figure that it's shining through even when you're trying to draw something else.

>>4370373
With a pencil.

>>4370386
Thank you for the actual advice.

>>4370412
As in with a real pencial /paper?

This is clearly the retard thread

When I was a kid in school I realized I could study and study and try really hard to memorize before a test but the thing that worked better than anything else at making me actually remember something was getting it wrong on the test. After you see that you fucked up youre like god damn it how could I have forgotten this! It's so obvious! I'm so stupid. It really sticks with you. Like for years. So idk if that's like a shame thing. Like embarrassment is an evolutionary function that works well on teaching people or what, but as others have said you have to practice from imagination because when you look up the anatomy later to see your mistakes, that is what is gonna make you learn.

>>4370423
No just put the pencil in your butt and spin around on it.

>>4370349
Okay, I'm gonna study with that book that anon mentioned, Figure Drawing for All It's all Worth. But come on, it literally cannot be the absolute /beg/. I accept criticism, but that's exaggerating just a touch I think

>>4370319
Like I said I can zip up and host my folder of her if you degens want.

>>4370483
Not him but yes it is absolute beg level. You're using your noob eyes to think it's better than how it actually is. Everything about the drawing is stiff and has no sign of technique nor knowledge on anatomy

>>4368965 WIP
I like the way this turned out so far
I tried the method that most use
like use rough forms then refine it over and over again
idk what to do from there on though
maybe I should start with the foliage
but I'll fix the little gaps first for sure

Got inspired

>>4369028
>>4370399
Maybe you could redline it bro :^)

>>4370496
Is there really nothing to salvage it

>>4370535
did you do an underdrawing?

thoughts? i wanted the expression to be the main focus

why gesture is so important? can i just skip straight to anatomy? i feel like i'm walking in circles here

>>4370573
You'll end up with stiff unappealing drawings. Basically tacking detail onto shit

>>4370552
Yup, very basic tho

>>4370561
You need simpler shapes and clear values.

these " loomis blooks" are hard for some reason and I suck

>>4370607
You need to learn how to draw a basic circle and improve on your line confidence

Human skulls all seem rather different from each other. Are they really that important when learning how to draw heads?

>>4370616
Yes, just look up general pictures. They help you understand the basic shapes in the human face (drawing circles for eyes) and help you recognize what changes underneath when drawing a face. It’s also good for understanding facial placements and proportions

>>4370573
It's not super important, literally no artists besides art teachers actually start a drawing with a full recognizable gesture. (I mean like what Vilppu does. A few lines here and there is not a gesture).
Understand the concept and then invent your own methods.

>>4370561
Looks like shit. You won't be able to pull off super stylized stuff like this as a /beg/.

>>4370616
Yes.

>>4370616
>Human skulls all seem rather different from each other.
You really should study them, then you'd also notice that they're not all that different from each other.

pls halp

>>4370053
Maybe keys for three or four days a week and the rest for perspective, the thing is that you feel gains in the way you study

Anyone have a link for the Digital Atelier krita brushes?

>>4370351
looks like you're trying to draw with a brush with horrendously low opacity and a soft one at that.
That's what's making things so blurry.
Look up brush setting tutorials for the program youre using.

>>4368965
how do you deal with back pain ?
my back was already fucked to begin with but whenever i draw I'm essentially bending over at a 70 degree angle the entire time, after 30 minutes my back goes numb, more than an hour and it gets painful and aches.
any anons encounter this ?
I'd like to keep my spine intact if thats possible and not become a cripple by the time i reach 30.

>>4370755
gym

>>4370600
>>4370635
Thank you for the feedback

>>4368965
Couple Croquis sessions.

Studying with bridgeman and focusing on getting cleaner lines and construction

>>4369120
my work
learn the shape of the skull, perspective and color theory

Why is it bad to draw from photos? Is it because the camera distorts the image or is it something about the difference in perception? Because if it's the former then drawing from 3D models should be fine, right? If it's in some 3D viewer I can also study it from literally every angle.

thoughts on this?

>>4370659
Are you drawing some sorta raw denim chicken robot?
because you captured that idea perfectly

>>4370802
Why should anyone take your advice if you're afraid to pyw?
Obviously learning the skull hasn't helped you to be able to draw, assuming you've even taken your own advice at all.

>>4370834
Not him but you're really not going to make it if you get upset and chimp out when you're given anonymous advice lmao
go post your crap on reddit or some shit

>>4370804
Link to the model, please?

>>4370863
I'm not the guy who he was originally replying to. I just want to expose to more people that this board is nothing but the blind leading the blind. People giving random advice because they heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy, even though they have not taken their own advice and they can't actually draw, as evidenced by the fact that they can't redline and they can't pyw. Basically this board is shit and people should know that before they consider the advice given here.

>>4370876
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/sculpt-january-2018-no29-female-torso-172b560f7e3d4c1abb20e9eac5007092

>>4370888
>blind leading the blind
Part of being a good artist is being able to make good judgement on what's good and bad. You don't need to herd sheep to the finish line all the time. Let him take the advice or not. If you can't handle the anonymous aspect of 4chan, then you should leave

>>4370401
helpful?

>>4370888
dude everyone knows that already, there was threads weeks ago about this. Your not smart for figuring this out lol

>>4370910
The "anonymous aspect"? Pyw has nothing to do with anonymity. If you don't want to post your professional work on here then just do a 10 minute sketch and post it, that shouldn't be hard for a competent artist. Redlines also have nothing to do with anonymity, but no one here can do those either.

>>4370955
where is a better site, where people actually do this, who are also good at art and care enough to do so?

>>4370955
Yes pyw has something to do with anonymity because you're looking for validation with every hint of comment or criticism. Again, go to a different site if you need to hound the poster's work for you to take their words into consideration

>>4370963
There is none that I know of. The online art community is a wasteland. Apparently there are some decent Discord channels but I don't know any specific ones.

>>4370978
You just want to be free to tell people what to do and shit on the work of others even though you can't draw.

>>4370988
>You just want to be free to tell people what to do and shit on the work of others even though you can't draw.
I didn't give any criticism here and you are paranoid. I do however post my work here to see if I'll get any kind of insight to improve as I draw every single day.

>>4370804
Anyone?

>>4370807
I am 12 and what is this?

>>4370934
helpful?

Give me your opinion regarding a villian containing both personalities of red Queen and maleficent. Also rate my drawing.

>>4371088
I hate everything about it. I hate tim burton, i hate disney, i hate angelina jolie, i hate the caricature proportions, i hate the hatching, i hate saying you combined 2 characters but really you just went right down the middle, i hate the knows, i hate the small forehead and the huge one. the stippling on the skin makes me want to vomit. its like a garbage pale kid.

the only tings i could say look ok are the hair on the left and the shininess of the clothes. i do like the highlights on those, but everything else is terrible.

>>4371088
I like it. It's nice and detailed, your style is really appealing, and I just generally like to look at it. 9/10

>>4371088
I never realised how much I hate consoomer art based on western media

>>4371107
based

excluding that ugly ass face. how is the body?

>>4371115
gross

>>4370804
Real life is vest when you can see the thing in actuality and touch it and experiment with moving it. You also see it in actual 3D. 3D models, you can rotate them but they’re still on a 2D (flat) screen and the 3D effect is an illusion. If you draw anime then drawing from real life doesn’t matter much but if you want realism then it does

I’m feeling good about this one. Which probably means it sucks.

>>4371088
I think this lacks attitude or character or "soul", and that's why it's so unappealing to the other anons

also two left hands wtf, was it intentional?

>>4371182
ew

>>4371057
quick drawing in traditional I decided to colorize

>>4371197
neck too thick and your lines and brush strokes look like total shit

>>4370807
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb
thats my thought

>>4371197
yeah no shit,

>>4370755
my back pain is from stress. i used to think it was my chair. gym didnt help me much. i get yelled at by angry customers all day and my body is constantly preparing me for a fight so i get lots of tension in my shoulders neck and upper back. its not just in my head. its a physiological response. so what i do is just let the phone ring sometimes and accept the consequences. if my boss fires me, he fires me. make peace with that. start looking for a new job. good luck anon.

>>4370807
It looks like you were using some DBZ ref. Not really sure what you were going for with the neck though. I don't think you were supposed to have the edges of the neck go that far down and touch the collarbone though.
>>4371057
If you feel like it's really difficult and you don't know what you're doing you're probably on the right path. It looks to me like your figure drawing is getting better through your mileage, or through warming up.
I would say to use both imagination and study equally and see-saw between them regularly 1:1. You see what you don't know when doing imagination, and then that opens you up to learning more from your next study.
>>4371136
Actually I'd say the face looks quite nice compared to the rest of the body, though the body is easier to mess up because there's more to work on.
The most obvious issues would be what direction the hips are facing. If they are swinging to a side like the sides suggest, then the crotch isn't reflecting that. What I mean is i'd have expected it to be partially tucked behind one of the legs to the side. It looks like you just gave up on the legs though once you reached the knees. I think the knee direction on the left doesn't match the foot, and there's a lot going on on the other leg that i can't even begin to explain.
Reminds me of when I'm drawing from reference but the photo cuts out the rest of the person and I try finish the body with imagination.
I like your shoulders and phone hand though, good stuff.
>>4371182
Don't forget you can move the jaw lower when the character's mouth opens.
Is the line on the neck a choker? It's a little hard to make out what's happening there. The crotch is exceptionally wide but maybe that's the style you were going for?
>>4371197
Hips are a bit out.

I’m so high right now! Dude. Weed. Lmao

>>4370489
yes, do it. Your entire foot collection thx.
>>4370659
It's a bit late to fix the design or symmetry when you've already colored it in.
>>4370755
How was your back fucked up beforehand? Maybe if it's not fixable you could construct some sort of custom angled massage-table to lay on so you can draw while laying down? Does your back give you less pain if you're standing?
>>4370789
Nice work anon.
>>4370804
I think it's something to do with the visual distortion you get with near objects and because it's harder to see something in 3D mentally when you can't see different angles.
It could be bad because you have to learn additional skills to see through all that compared to not needing to when using irl refs, so it takes longer to learn the same level of drawing.
>>4371223
I don't think you're /BEG/ bro..

Going through How to Draw. In pic related Scott draws the circle in perspective, but I have no idea how he determines the minor axis' angle, because there are not diagonal vanishing points being used. The grid construction he teaches in the previous page, as I understand it, it does not provide enough information to derive the correct orientation of the minor axis.

Same as the horizontal squares.

Am I being retarded for not getting it?

>>4371228
he is certainly beg.

>>4369544

good luck.

Study1

Study2

>>4371220
thanks for the redline. This was low effort , It was a lazy 3 minute doodle before bed + decided to add color , but I posted it because I was very happy as it wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting, I think I've improved a lot just comparing this shitty drawing to what I was doing 3 or 2 weeks ago in 20x the time. I feel I've been getting better and am working a lot faster just this past week, pic related I did just now in 1 hour and it's my favorite drawing so far. I will draw more through imagination - How can I think of things to draw though which aren't just people staring in a random direction (are there books on this sort of thing?)

>>4371232
made me kek

update
critique appreciated

>>4371511
mouth looks like a sticker slapped on the face

Did a night for imagination, was a lot of fun

>>4371245
>>4371302
>>4371622
why do people sketch on gray backgrounds?

>>4371627
Helps with seeing value, etc.

>>4371627
1. It helps deciding on value like anon said
2. It doesnt burn eyeballs looking at too long.
Back when I used Sai, it was fucking awful working late at night with the white UI

started studying bridgman, on hands atm

pic related is my work, 1st and 2nd row are studies and 3rd row are kind of free hand

are there any concepts or forms im missing here? some general advice/critique would be appreciated as well. i'm not quite sure how to study bridgman

>>4371670
Copy all of his drawings from Constructive Anatomy

>>4369732
lots of talent!
>>4369861
leave beg
>>4369903
leave beg
>>4371182
furry against rules leave ic.

trying to master tite kubo s style

>>4371622
ok zach

>>4369440
If your shitty art consume you that much, you should probably take a breather you fucking retard.

ok i know you fags on /ic/ enjoy childlike anime girls because youre weird like that, but do you like women with long straight noses and sharp square chins?

recent shite

i definitely need to work on varying my poses, actually including hands, colouring, understanding form. what else?

>>4371245
>>4371622
F E E L
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F O R M

>>4369688
You're not feeling the form. You got to feel the form.

>>4372130
I'm feeling it alright.

First attempt at trying to paint snow. I left my sky rough to offset the excessive use of blue in the snow, was that a bad choice?

>>4372191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-9CqidKRSM

>>4372146
You're really not.

>>4372196
What is that supposed to mean?

>>4371511
A lot better than just linework. Light source reads well as other anon said, mouth looks like a sticker. Probably because you went straight for black. Think of the perspective of the lower jaw- from our perspective we should see the top of the bottom lip and a tongue, maybe see some bottom gum. I know zubat on the toons and game just have a black mouth with bottom teeth coming from nowhere as you have drawn, but if you're increasing rendering then you have to up the detail as shortcuts like that mouth will look bad carried forward.
Are the tails ribbons or cones? Right now they look like ribbons.

>>4372207
Your mountains look like a pair of tits, follow the instructions in the video

>>4369655
Its not exactly novel character design

>>4372232
that shit stuck to our collective uncosncious

I've been focusing on studying proportion by using negative space. I do already know that my rendering is bad, since I have put more emphasis on form and perspective though I only recently figured out how to approach proportion by using negative space rather then just guessing.

>The reference
https://pin.it/76mesii2oh7mhc

lolol

going to be copying every hearthstone card
maybe i'll try going over the sketch and painting it

>>4372268
Where's her hairline my dude

hey, crit pls? I struggle greatly with rendering

>>4372268
cute drawing but focus on what's happening at your neck. You've implied with your clothing that the neck is composed of a rectangle up top and a glorified trapezoid below, which can work if you're doing a big musclebro but for a cute girl feels off.

>>4372129
you use less liens in your initial gesture, try to do that throughout. Also, check out how the neck connects to the chest and how the head connects to the neck. Everything else will come in time and with study.

>>4371759
this could be super cute if drawn just a little better. You drew your centerline, which is great, but it tapers towards the chin and moves further and further off. when you're doing a drawing like this, try imagining the simple shapes that make up the features (wedge nose, sphere muzzle, etc) and try to make the centerline follow those.

Also, reign in your hatching. It's a good start, I'd try working in pen if you want it to look really cool though

>>4371720
I like this a lot anon, just be careful with your line density. The bottom half of the top right figure is hard to read because of unclear linework. Like I told the other anon, try to reign in your hatching. Longer lines have more flow + energy than shorter lines.

>>4371670
keep it up anon!

>>4372296

>>4372301
I think your colors and values aren't good. Modeseven the porn artist is good at rendering figures like that, and he posts tutorial gifs sometimes.

>>4372301
3rd guy, ive definitively starting seeing a problem with the centerline, and i think the misalingment of the features is also due tu the fact that i was triying to have the angle a little bit higher, and that fucked everything up, ill have to start using references for those, regarding the pen thing im currently parcticing so that my pen strokes are more confident, thanks for the advice!

>>4372301
Shadows should go deeper into red, looks like you just turned the brightness down making the color look more grey. Get used to adjusting the hue to lower value not just the brightness. Also a white background will make things very hard for you.

>>4371182
furries are disgusting. i keep my fetishes to myself. why can't you

>>4371299
beautiful

Better?

>>4371627
you cag reconise tte values better and you get to use white for the highlights

>>4372318
>>4372330
so more like pic rel?
am I on the right track

>>4372403
I'm not an expert but that looks a lot better.

>>4368965

>>4368965
I usually sketch.
How do I into values, for fully black&whited pencil works drawn from life?

any feedback on this?

Made this for my sculpture course.

>>4372295
man, get better at lines and your proportions before delving into that stuff

>>4372295

>>4372114
the second one is kinda strange because you used a lot of contrast in the shadows everywhere exceptvin the faxe so it makes it look completely flat, like not even a round surface with facial features, but like a completely flat surcafe with the facial features just drawn on top

>>4372560
what is the point of using a ref if youre gonna make the head face the wrong direction?

>>4372560
this is very sketchy so i cant really give any criticism besides telling you that the centerline of the face is fucked, also i can tell by the way you sketch that you arent very confident in your lines, i know this is a sketch, but that ends up fucking with you when you do the liework

>>4372566
yeah i was finkin the sketch looks way better, less flat. The face shadows were just way too hard to get right so I decided to not try at all rather than have it be blatantly wrong

>>4370573
Skip gesture if you are content in drawing the same pose over again.

>>4372572
you didnt feel confident in drawing the shadows of the face because you didnt learn facial structure before, unless you are drawing straight up steven universe bullshit you should learn about facial structure, if you are tired of loomis being thrown around brune hogarth also has sonr good books on facial anatomy and figure drawing

>>4372295
i kinda like it, you managed to make it look expressive, even though your proportions arent exactly as in the reference, but the perseoctive on the arm that holds the bow is bad, and you should clean your sektches / drawing them in a cleaner way from the start, because theyre very difficult to read, especially this one, because there are a lot of superimposed elements

>>4372572
how many light sources are there dude?

>>4372573
but gesture isn't flow stuff? for drawing poses i just can go to figure drawing stuff

>>4370607
insanity

>>4372605
gesture is like 1/3 of figure drawing, without gesture youre just basically drawing science book anatomical diagram, it loses all of its appeal

>>4372464
hair is stiff and looks like rubber

>>4372344
this is nice

>>4372612
i've seen that face before

>>4372630
fuck ive just imagined a universe where loomis is drawing 53% mutts instead of the white pinup girls

Do i have any future?

obliques/pelvis/hips
This is the most confusing area of the body for me
it always looks different on every woman
different size of the oblique muscles if she's fit
different fat levels
sometimes I don't know what is fat and what is muscle
the way artists draw this is also quite different
I cannot understand this well enough to draw from imagination accurately, other parts of the body are more uniform

>>4372706
obliques are not that hard, they just frame the abs, but the bone structure in the hips alawys fuck me up

Trying another foot image referencing the pic that anon replied to me a day or two ago and mentioned foot butts. I'm really having trouble understanding how her arm and the perspective overall I guess..
Any advice would be fine I guess

>>4372727
i've never seen anyone fuck up a foot that badly, I'm impressed

Well, might as well post this. I did this yesterday. Really need to fucking crack open "Figure Drawing for All It's Worth". Because I totally see now that despite my progress at cleaner lines, my anatomy and perspective is off

>>4372746
crab, pwy, he didnt fuck up that bad, the only serious issue is the toes on the foot on the left

>>4372772
>>4372746
I'm more concerned about other things in the picture
Foot shape I can easily edit when I have the rest if the image presentable

>>4372727
Her right foot is off a bit. You drew it as though it's just touching the side of her left foot, where in the ref it's slightly on top of her left foot. You've also made it a bit too short. As for the hand, you made the lines completely unreadable so I can't even tell where you went wrong. I really like your faces though, keep it up. And if you want I have plenty more classy foot ref pics like that.

>>4372560

>>4372727
>>4372788
Spent too much time looking at her feet I didn't notice that her legs are too short also. You need to lengthen her right leg and bring her left foot out further.

>>4372794
Clean your lines up, make the eyes bigger, work on the feet, particularly the one in the ground, add some more details like patches on the skin.

It's not furry if it's just funny animals, right?

>>4372788
Thanks I'll try to edit it based on that
Sorry a lot of it is unreadable. I really end up scrabbling during the sketch phase to try and fix things because it gets to be a headache constantly erasing large areas. I'm pretty new to these more daring shots. I don't want to be an artist who draws standing up plain poses all day

i finally put the drugs down and i'm trying to grind, keeping it loose and shitty until i get a feel for proportions, is this wise? are there things i should be keeping in mind or should i do a billion of these? dont want to reinforce bad habits of which i surely have many. thank you in advance. insults welcome

The high has worn off. I can no longer convince myself I don't suck.

>>4372823
Mate look up proportions pictures of humans and draw many of those to understand what goes where and how long everything is, even if it’s stick figured. You also need to work on gesture before trying to do figure drawing and you need to use a manual for your figure drawing like the vilppu drawing manual or something. You also need to work on your line confidence as it’s nonexistent, you’re using too many lines when a few will do.

I want to draw in the 90s anime style, can I learn by studying anatomy and just practicing every day? every guide is way too fucking ADHD and I'd rather get set on the right direction and learn myself.

>>4372838
like, can I learn just by watching anime, copying what I see, and studying anatomy?

>>4372834
ok i'll go through vilppu then. thanks for the good advice anon

havent drawn in a couple years, doodled this horse for fun

Trying to learn how to draw gesture.

Please judge me.

>>4372838

10 min session.

How bad is it? It’s supposed to be van goghs hands drawing

>>4372945
Looks like a tranny

>>4372913
This is a contour not gesture. Watch others do gesture and take note of the line of action, which is the line that “makes” the gesture. Try to capture the energy more than anything. Also that isn’t that great of a reference picture, use more expressive pictures such as this so it’ll be easier to capture

>>4372945
Man jaw.
Mustache.
No one cares how long it took you, if this is what you do after 10 minutes then maybe you should take longer next time to draw something good.

>>4372979
link to page?

>>4372980
>>4371759
thought you were talking about this lmao

>>4372979
i like her sternocleidomastoid

Is there any hope for me?

>>4373035
Loosely based on this.

>>4373035
There's always hope.
Your hips is fucked though.

>>4373062
I see. Can you point out where exactly? And how would you fix them?

Does it fix it a bit?

>>4373072
the reason thatvit works in the reffernce you used is because she is laying on her back so it makes sense, but the way you drew it the torso is much more upright but tge legs are un the same position, so it looks like the lower back is either dislocated or completely warped

I felt compelled to draw a lobster today and when I was looking at some references the shell was reminding me of a motorcycle fairing and they're are so many cylinders and shiny surfaces I felt obligated to turn it into a robot.

>>4373177
haha cool robot lobster, i like it, its good

but its really hard to tell from a first glance that its a robot

>>4373177
>>4373188
I disagree, when we look at creatures and humans we tend to look towards the face first, and that's where all the roboty shite is.

Some coomer stuff

>>4373188
thats ok m80 i might have to render it for that to be as obvious as it should be

>>4370658
Where is this from?

>>4373229
Is there a /bab/by in art thread? I'm not advanced enough for the beginner status.

>>4373246
Also the image I meant to post was this so, fuck me, right?

NEW

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>>4373278

>>4373249
>how do i become proficient in a skill without putting in any time or effort into practice and exercises.

Just trace and steal and pay others to do it for you.

But you know... I used to want to build muscles so I joined a gym and got a trainer and I stuck with it for like 6 months. And the reasons I quit were 1) it was like 500 bucks a month which i could no longer afford. 2) lifting heavy shit is really hard and stressful. 3) i don't like getting yelled at and being in a stinking gym. 4) constantly cooking and cleaning in order to eat cleanly and get enough protein takes a lot of time and you get sick of eating like that and drinking protein shakes everyday. 5) i had to rush home from work to get a parking spot at my apartment because if you get there after 6 you cant find parking and then id have to rush to get changed, and run to the gym in the cold 3/4 of a mile away. and then walk home tired 5 days a week and in not such a safe neighborhood.

My point is the thing you're trying to avoid doing here is drawing pictures. It costs nothing. It requires zero physical effort, there's no cleanup, no other people, you can do it anywhere, anytime without leaving home, and people still try to get out of it.

I know it's just a meme and you weren't literally asking the question, but anyone having thoughts even similar to this meme does not want to learn to draw. They do not have a passion for it. They will absolutely never ever make it. You could not pick an easier skill to master. Everything is hard to get really good at. But you aren't going to risk a heavy weight crushing breaking your body or even being uncomfortable for one second. You can literally sit there indulging your imagination and fantasies and even that is too much to ask for some people.

>>4373287
>without putting in any time or effort
I don't know why I even came here, clearly you niggers can't read, I'm out, go fuck yourself, I'll figure it out on my own. Faggot.

idk

>>4372980
>No one cares how long it took you, if this is what you do after 10 minutes then maybe you should take longer next time to draw something good.
That's not how a drawing session work.

>>4373287
This is a good post.

>>4373280
why was it deleted

i made a new thread

>>4374461
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>>4374405
probably the OP was the same retard spamming/shitposting on the dentist-kun thread since his posts were deleted aswell.

>>4373287
>You can literally sit there indulging your imagination and fantasies
You absolutely cannot, and that's what that picture actually wants to achive. How do I make my imagination and fantasies come true without 100000h of just emotionless circles and squares before that.

>>4374485
Nobody's forcing you to draw circles you goddamn autist. If you feel that the advice /beg/ gives is not conducive to your will to live, then don't take it. Just fucking draw.
>a bloo bloo bloo my drawings are shit
Then wallow in them like the swine you are.

>>4374523
Why can't anyone give other tips, than "draw circles or draw shit faggot". There has to be some other way to get better, because drawing shit gets you only so far and circles are no go.

>>4374532
>there has to be way to get better at drawing besides drawing
You could try zen buddhism.

>>4374541
Don't put words in my mouth, nobody said no drawing. I said drawing something else than just the same shit or non working exercises

>>4374546
What is "the same shit"?
What do you want to draw, and why aren't you drawing it?

>>4374548
Animeshit, cause I can't draw animeshit.

Who the fuck just deleted /beg/ thread

>>4374551
>can't
Then try harder you little bitch.

>>4374568
I'm trying, you fucking narc, but when you are shit then you are shit. That's why those loomis books etc don't help at all when you can't even draw the most basic of basic anime picture. The ones that 10 year olds draw as their first fanart.

What is wrong here, i get a feeling something is off..

I'm unsure about whether or not I should have them at more similar angles, having Grunbeld being the one forward facing seems pretty weird.

First time trying to color

>>4375282
>>4375466
>>4377062
>>4373876
wrong thread dumb fucks