/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Why must I draw naked white people all the time :(

>wake up, determined to draw and actually get a project finished
>wait, i gotta eat first even though im not particularly hungry
>eat food while binging youtube clips
>keep watching youtube clips
>stop, alright man you seriously have to draw
>draw like 10 boxes on the page, leave my seat after drawing like two boxes
>"i'm tired, not to the point where my eyelids are heavy, but i feel like taking a little nap"
>sleep
>wake up
>still cannot for the life of me fight my procrastination to just simply draw this thing in my head

It's depression, isn't it? I just tell myself that I want to draw something, but I literally would rather do other irrelevant things instead of drawing. It isn't that I don't like drawing, because I feel the same way about vidya and any other hobby that requires me to be doing something proactive. I just don't care about anything, but I have a little hope for art.

I just...I don't want you guys to tell me that Art isn't for me. I have had characters and stories imagined in my head that I wanted to draw for years.

>>4360349
just do it bro.
and dont draw boxes, draw those cool characters instead

>Late Starter (20+)
>Self-taught
>not very smart, probably low IQ, have a hard time figuring out basics like perspective
>Still grind and (try to) learn everyday, determined to make it
who /underdog/ here

>>4360349
I feel your frustration. I can't say that it's definitely depression, but might as well be. Check it up with a decent doctor and weight your options from then on.

>>4360323
Why do they have to be white, indeed? Is it just study or are you looking for Patreon bux on porn and no one wants to pay for porn of different races?

>>4360359
I'm somewhat similar except I'm not a late starter. I'm more of a hiatus slut, which I think is much worse.
But keep grinding, anon. And don't forget to have some fun in between as to not burn yourself.

>>4360359
What is grinding? How can we differentiate between grinding and “having fun”?

Is it because we’re older now? Maybe if we started young, we wouldn’t have to think of it as grinding because we were just having fun with what we drew. Now though, it’s a damn chore, isn’t it?

I can't draw from reference
I find it so boring and I can't get it right

What I do instead is I look at the reference and try to remember the forms, say for example muscles in a leg
I only enjoy drawing form imagination but I don't know how to improve faster
I am frustrated by my inability to draw correct figures and I can't wait until I can finally unveil my imagination and desire to draw
pic related is one of my latest doodles

>>4360402
Grinding: studies of the fundies like drawing 1000 hands in different poses to learn that shit down, seeing what you're doing wrong, correcting it, improving if possible.
Having fun: Doing your own thing, drawing what you want, what you like

As your self-awareness grows like you mentioned with age, having fun becomes hard if you're not high int/pro because you see that what you do looks like SHIT, that you're unable to draw X or Y like you want (when you weren't self aware you didn't care and just wing it badly) and that there's millions of zoomers out there better than you so you go back to your homework, playtime is over, back to the grind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzdIoghbFzg

I feel 75% of my posts are ignored and i feel bad

I have a gallery opening in April. My deadline for the pieces being shown is the end of this month. I'm doing 10-12 hour days and still may not make it. Projects too ambitious, I was too proud. I've already told everyone, extended family, everyone, and they all are coming. I'm afraid I'm gonna fail. As always, fuck it up at the finish line. And everyone will know what a delusional fraud I am.

>>4360321
I worked pretty hard last night on drawing this girl's picture and even when I zoom in I can barely see the differences.obviously I can see some but nothing I thought would be significant. Yea the shadow on the teeth should be darker, but a lot of that is the lighting. In person the values are better. But if I didn't have these side by side zoomed in like this how would I ever notice the difference. And I don't want to be a photo copier but this drawing doesn't look like the girl in the picture. Such small details make such a huge difference. Her pupil and lower lid are so slightly off. If I was drawing her from life... It wouldn't be anywhere close. It would probably be insulting.

>>4360431
I meant shadow on the cheek * I'm gonna just try to keep grinding away at it after work. Just venting.

>>4360359
I feel you anon. I'm starting at 24 and it's daunting because I got addicted to vidya as a teen and completely destroyed my sense of discipline, so I never developed any useful skills. My best friend's a really great artist and I want to be able to catch up and draw with her.

>>4360349
This was me for the past few years and in my case it was depression. I never got medical treatment for it so I can't say anything about that, but for me what changed things was hitting a 'low point' where my shame at the way I had wasted my life thus far finally became strong enough to go up against the urge to passively procrastinate all day every day. It's not like flicking a switch, it's hard and I have to catch myself whenever I slip still, but I make a point to force myself to whatever I scheduled myself to do no matter what, no matter how I feel.

If you can stick with it, meditation can help you feel less numb to the things you're supposed to enjoy and appreciate the value of the present moment instead of of constantly being somewhere else. Swimming also helped with my motivation a lot — learning art is a really long road, and often you feel like there's no simple way to improve or even see your improvement at all. By contrast, some kind of exercise — where you can easily measure your progress and generally see results pretty quickly — goes a long way towards convincing your brain that you are more than capable of accomplishing tasks and making gains, if you set the time aside to do so.

>>4360323
... idk why do you?
Google search naked niggers if you want to draw them so bad. It's a free country, bud.

Unless you're in school drawing specific models for assignments. In that case sux 2 b u.

>>4360431
Can you post the whole thing?

>>4360321
I've been drawing for a month and started drawing digitally for 3 weeks and right now I'm torn on how I should proceed, I have two friends, friend A told me I need to exercise drawing from memory so I won't need to rely on references so much while friend B tells me I shouldn't even think about drawing without a reference yet and it will come naturally after years of experience, I'm a indecisive fuck and even though they totally go against eachother I agree with both of them.

>>4360456
Draw from imagination sometimes but it’s more important to spend a majority of your time drawing from life and reference. Drawing from life requires drawing from memory and knowledge anyways since anything that isn’t an inanimate object in studio lighting will change as time goes on rather it’s breathing, moving, decaying, growing or changes of light source. More important to train your eye and hand to perform and the earlier stages of training and it’s almost impossible to interpret what you don’t know well

>>4360323
White people are the most beautiful race

>>4360455
I would rather not but here's the eyes

>>4360483
Hapas are the most beautiful race.

:/ I don't think my boyfriend finds me very attractive

>>4360321
I NEED A GF I NEED A GF I NEED A GF NOOOOOWWWWWW AAAAAHHHH AAAAAHHHHHH

>>4360502
learn to paint and draw on high standarts and draw/paint yourself attractive asf whiel you draw your boyfriend not so attractive in a portrait - show it to him, so he can see your attractiveness

>>4360502
>>4360514
You two should chat

>>4360444
For some reason happy to see an identical case to mine. Also started just some weeks ago at 24 after spending all my time in my teens and up until now with games and as a result: crap discipline.

I think we should think that its better to start later then never but im not good at positive thinking.

It feels good to stick to something you want to improve at though, Jordan Peterson got that right.

What's the point of this threads? NGMIs babies crying about irrelevant things instead of actually drawing and getting better.

I just need an art bf with cool stories and worlds in his head who I can teach how to draw and give him references of my body so he doesn't draw stupid looking tits. Is that too much to ask?

>>4360585
filters out the ngmis

>>4360496
t. Happa

>>4360591
>I just need an art bf
Yes, it's too much to ask when you're a dumb larping tranny.

>>4360591
Yes because your mental health does NOT have any bearing whatsoever on your mood to draw.

>>4360614
Was meant for him >>4360585

I want to paint more but 1) I'm afraid I'd ruin the paintings that I've "finished" by repainting over it and 2) I'm afraid I can only paint while drunk

So I'm fucking postponing and procrastinating painting.. and I know its detrimental, I know painting is my lifeline now.. making feelings flow out of me

>>4360600
What does t. stand for? I'm not a hapa I'm huwite. But I'm a huge weeaboo.

>>4360585
>Don't vent on the vent thread.
Fuck off Chang.
With your huge lips.
>I say you: just droh.
Why you have to be so drama.
I know my drohing not so goo.

>>4360422 (checked)
here's your freebie. Now stop getting hung up on reply clout & go draw.

>>4360323
Watch some JAV if you don't want white people all the time

I hate that guy who tricks people into posting their work only to throw it up on Youtube for his own pseudo content.

>>4360613
yeah no girls use this secret site right bros? xD

>>4360585
One key part of being an artist is the emotional drama side. If you don't have this, you're soulless.

>>4360591
I'm down, where you from?

>>4360581
Better late than never is true for sure. It hurts to think of all the wasted time, but everything we can actually change is in the present and the future, so that is where our focus has to be. I'd rather grit my teeth through feelings of foolishness now than wake up 10 years from today, still unable to draw like I'd always wanted to and still doing nothing about it.

One positive thing I've noticed about my situation is that — as someone who has lost the battle against procrastination for such a long time — I'm not really bothered by the fact that my drawings suck, because to me, just the fact that I sat down and practiced when I was supposed to is enough to warrant pride. Even when I am unsure of my progress in art, I can feel my sense of discipline being built back up each time I make the correct choice, which in turn means making more of those choices becomes easier. Maybe the artist's frustration will come along at a later time, but for now I'm just happy to be turning my life around.

>>4360349
This is the first time I've ever seen that painting without the right side cropped out. The piece is so much better now it's almost life changing.

What the fuck is up with all the /beg/s making their own threads and giving out their names? It started with illastrat and now there are dozens of them

>but there have always been retards like that
Sure but there were only a few, and people always tell them to fuck off to /beg/, now these threads are all I see and people keep replying to them and keeping the trash alive

I'm trying to cut back on caffeine. I have an actual addiction and honestly I wouldn't have stopped if it wasn't for this horrible eye twitching on one side and actually stabbing pain headache on the other. Point is, I'm so exhausted now. I tried going cold turkey but I got really sick and decided to slowly start cutting back. I'm down to three energy drinks per week instead of 1-2 a day now and the headache is gone and I'm not twitchy anymore, but I'm so tired. I just want to sleep all day. I don't even have enough energy in me to read or play videogames let alone draw. I'm probably going to nap after I send this. Part of me worries that this isn't the caffeine and it's something else. I just want to draw.

>>4360321
It’s very interesting and frustrating as human beings how we see other humans on a day to day basis but they are probably the hardest subject to draw. There’s just so much to drawing humans goddamn

>>4360444
>>4360581
Try starting at 38 having not done any drawing since middle school art class. Basically all my free time since college has been spent playing vidya, browsing 4chan, and fapping to anime art. I canceled my FFXIV sub in December to focus on AC7, then after that just went back to wasting my time playing 4X games (which go glacially slow with my OCD, I really shouldn't even touch them).

Finally started questioning what the FUCK I'm doing with my life, decided to pick up a pencil and start drawing. Of course it's 10+ years later than I should have started, kind of like how I put off learning Japanese for years in my 20s, waiting on translations or relying on machine translators instead of reading whatever I wanted to read.

In this case my OCD is really what was discouraging me more than simple procrastination; I figured I wouldn't be able to handle drawing poorly and couldn't even make myself try. As it turns out it's somewhat of a problem but not as much as I feared; copying is going all right though a bit slow as I try to make it perfect, drawing from imagination I do still get hung up unable to even put sketch lines down because I know they're wrong. But still, just deciding to pick up drawing is leaving me feeling so much more motivated than I have in years. Like when I decided to go ahead and buy a tablet and realized I'd need a new desk too I went on a long overdue cleaning frenzy just to prepare my place for it; only thing now is my motivation is sending me off on other tangents instead of focusing on drawing but that's still better than just sitting around being a consumer.

>>4361239
Why do you still continue to live
What drives you

>20 followers
WHAT AM I DOING WRONG AHHHHHH

>>4361264
Autism I guess; honestly I've never suffered from depression or had any legit suicidal thoughts despite being a wizard and well on my way to becoming a wraith, I long ago stopped giving a shit. Really, until recently my anime and vidya backlogs were the main things I looked ahead to; the last couple years though I started enjoying fewer and fewer of them and that's when I finally woke up and decided I need to start creating instead of waiting for something interesting to come along

the more I learn to draw the more I feel like a hack.

>>4361286
What the fuck? What are you doing right? How do I get 20 followers?

>>4360321
have to go back to work at UPS in a few weeks. my aunt expressed concern, and asked me what my plans are for the future, and i knew what she was gonna say. basically telling me to get a cushy job i can retire on. the fuck is up with boomers man? anyway i still love her, but she has no clue. i work at fucking UPS, i aint getting some cushy clerical job bitch.

>>4361530
post regularly

Why someone posts stylised art and an Amawu says it's done wrong because it's not done how it says to do it in an Anime or basic anatomy book.

Despite the work being none of those things.

Hey boys and girls, just coming through with a little motivation. I'm 27 years old and pic related is the absolute best I can do. Look back at your art and realize how well you are doing. You can make it.

>>4361652
your potato heads look better than mine from back then

>>4360321
I'm frustrated with exactly how self defeating so many of you guys on this board are.

That 'can i learn to draw at 21' guy is a prime example - you don't need an anonymous online shitposting forum to give you permission to create. Art and creativity is ingrained in every single human, no matter how unrefined or untapped or suppressed it is. Just draw bro, but unironically.

I hope you guys reassert your artistic agency, we're all gmi with enough determination :)

I wasted a decade plus just learning to draw cute characters to self insert into only to get good enough to do it but come to despise both art and the kinds of people i wanted to draw. I just wanted an escapist hobby

I keep drawing and following exercises on how to draw and such, and I keep thinking I've improved only to have someone tell me I haven't learned anything after posting some of my latest stuff here. It's not that I'm butthurt or that I wanna give up cus I suck now, but rather the thing is, what if that one anon is right? Im fully willing to admit that my art sucks right now and Im somehow not improving, and I can certainly take criticism even if its harsh (as long as its at least honest and not just "lol u suck kys fgt" which is just dumb), but why do I keep thinking Ive improved when I really haven't?

I went to art school for 5 fuckin years and it still hasnt clicked with me. Not to say Im beating myself up over the past, but Im just paranoid about if Im just gonna stagnate artistically and never achieve that dream of working in the animation industry.

not really a vent just a random thing

massiveblacks forums beta are up

anyone gonna use it? will it be ca.org 2.0?

its a fcuking mess to browse desu

https://beta.massiveblackforums.com/

god I want art friends so badly but anime artists disgust me and probably just think I'm pretentious for thinking it when really it's because they only care about just being coomers 95% of the time and never actually draw
maybe I should just visit art museums

>>4360406
Blög?

Just when art started to "click" for me I start the hardest semester of my life.

Pisses me off but I'm mad enough to want to kick ass at both just to show em

>>4360591
be my gf (:

>>4361868
You say that like every artist online does anime and that every anime artist is only ever down to coom.

tfw only getting ironic and passive agressive replies

>>4361737
Then, throughout all that time, what did you want truly? You went into a cute anime character phase and persevered through it. You fulfilled your escapism but obviously now despise it. What do you want to draw at this minute? Have some self-reflection for a moment and you may get the answer.

>>4361831
If you’re posting your work for critique on the /beg/ threads, then you are essentially asking for critique from people who are just as unskilled as you are. What I’ve noticed from /begs/ is that some know a certain fundie better than others, like person A may know perspective more than person B but B knows values and shading more than A. You get decent, detailed critique from these two guys but they are very lacking in different areas.

Surely you should know what to do if your art sucks right now. 5 years of Art school and you haven’t learned how to self-evaluate your work. Draw something you like, check the errors/get critique and read informative books on how to correct the error.

>>4361893
Do what you think is right and find a correct balance if you can. Don’t be surprised if the weight of this semester will either destroy that short-lived click you had for Art or completely despise the degree that you’re taking. Unless you have a very high IQ, one of them has got to go eventually.

>>4362066
You shouldn’t rely on this place for critique if you’re not drawing lewds and cute things. Keep posting your work if you can’t find an alternative though. But I highly recommend you stick around for when some anon posts a discord thread in the future.

>>4360736
The ones that do are as ugly as trannies, so it doesn't matter.

>>4362102
>>4362066
>when some anon posts a discord thread
https://discord.gg/pCNZxw

Ive been using this discord for a bit for critique and advice on art stuff. Its mainly based on animation but they also dump their sketches and other pieces there too.

>>4361893
who's the artist of the pic?

>>4360349
literally me except my eyelids get really heavy and it feels like im falling asleep in my chair

i do have actual full blown depression though but even on meds its kinda hard some days to function. i dont know how much longer im gonna make it at this rate

>>4360321
>go to /ic/ for inpo and refs
>spends most of the day on /vent/
pathetic.

>>4360349
This is simple. You are addicted to youtube. That's it. Your dopamine levels is fucked from browsing youtube. Take a rest from it, (preferably 1 week or some shit) let your brain return to normal and everything will become enjoyable again.

>>4360406
Anon, you have low self worth. You are improving incredibly fast. Your figures here are rough, but solid and accurate enough.

>>4360493
>flat shadows
Try to shade someone on the direction of the curve of the particular volume, in this case, horizontal and you'll feel the shape of it.

>>4360496
Objectively all mixed races are better and more attractive than either of the races. People should just fuck each race to speed up the inevitable "Great Browning"

>>4362124
That's why you're a loner virgin anon.

>>4362330
But I'm not.

>>4362328
Reminds me of The Forever War, where humanity fucked itself into gay polynesians.

Prof saw the anime tiddies and didnt reccomend drawing porn

>>4360321
posting this again cause I'm still fucking angry

>buy a book that's title is some variation of "how to draw animals"
>at least 80% of it is just horses
>Other 19% is either big cats or domestic Cats & Dogs
>if you're lucky, exactly 1 bird or 1 lizard "Because they're like dinosaurs, buy my other book to learn how to draw them too :^)"
>0 inverts or marine life ever

Why is every animal art book like this???

>i spent an hour arguing with /b/tards instead of actually drawing

I’m NGMI

>>4362635
Unfortunately because that’s the animals artists mostly draw. Just use the same strategy used to draw those animals fundamentally

>>4360321
i dont understand how to improve fast. whenever i do something and it looks wrong it just keeps me from doing anymore. i dont feel any gradual improvement only uneven spurts of good and bad mixed randomly.

hyperrealism is overrated

>>4361868
>I want art friends
What for?

What if I'm aware of my challenges and feel no need to vent

>>4362328
they look like mutants and have measurably higher rates of mental illness

>>4362287
Looks like Q Hayashida, the creator of dotohedoro.

>>4362102
I’ve been kinda in limbo just doing studies, I kinda wish I were one of those “draw your feelings” artists but everything that comes out of doing that feels hokey and contrived. Still, you’re right this is a good opportunity for reflection

>>4360456
the idea behind drawing from reference is not to copy the image as it is in front of you, but to process it into something more 3d in your head, and then translate that to the paper. Photocopying bypasses this by more or less ignoring the subject of the reference and copying the image itself one small chunk at a time. This is useless for learning to draw freely, and only improves your ability to copy, not create. What’s important is understanding the subject, breaking it down into 3d forms, not necessarily cubes and cylinders like you see in most art books, those are just there to convey the concept, but as shapes with volume. Everybody has their own approach that works for them, but the key is letting the image go through some amount of processing in your own head before trying to draw anything. Some basic exercises for this would be putting your reference in a spot you have to look away from your drawing to see, to help build visual memory, drawing the mirror image of the reference, so you can’t copy things line for line, and as early as possible try rotating the reference and drawing it at different angles than what’s in the image. Drawing from imagination is the perfect way to review what you learned from your studies, but the skill can take a long time to build up so don’t get stressed about it

>>4361868
I'll be your friend anon, but you have to promise to only moderately bully my tastes

I've been dealing with nothing but adversity this year, especially in admin stuff. Just when I resolved all the shit with PayPal, my regular client changed the method of payment to Payoneer. It's even more complicated, I have to submit more documents, most of which I don't have. Transferwise won't receive money in USD to an account outside of US so I'm still fucked with their conversion rates. Still need to go to the Business Center to register two new bank accounts. Also need to go to the post office to send back contracts to the only client who can't fucking do it online. I'm so tired, but I can't take weekends off because I'm handling 3 projects at the same time. It's 1AM and I have 3 more hours of work. I can't go on like this

>>4360321
I don't know how to get you to believe me but I just wanted to tell you guys something to encourage you.

This weekend, for the first time in my life my art got me laid. I wasn't a virgin, but I usually have to jump through all kinds of hoops to meet women. A friend introduced me to a girl and I happened to have my sketchbook on me.

After I showed it to her, the dynamic between us changed. For the rest of the day she looked at me like i was her sempai. She told me i was a genius. I told her I wanted to draw her picture.

I reallu don't think my art is anything amazing. But maybe being hard on myself is why I improved.

Keep drawing and carry that sketchbook with you everywhere and don't be shy about it. Be extremely bold and proud of it. You're better than you think and if you're not, get good. If getting laid doesn't motivate you, idk wtf will, but it worked for me.

>>4363125
>if getting laid motivates you, idk what the fuck will

Jesus fucking christ you cannot be serious. I am an advocate of finding any means to draw but to fucking get laid? Are you sure you’re on the right board because this isn’t r9 fucking k where everyone is trying their darnest to smell the wet farts of the opposite sex.

Always remember that if you are getting female attention because of your art, then it is simply BECAUSE of your art and nothing more. You have still failed to physically attract her and you using your art skills as a quality to attract women is just going to hurt you in the long run.

Women only care about looks and charisma, and that’s the way of it.

>After I showed it to her, the dynamic between our relationship changed. For the rest of the day she looked at me as if i was her sempai. She told me i was a genius.

This is literally how all normies think of artists who are capable of doing basic portrait drawings.

Rethink your relationship with this girl, anon.

>>4363375
you're a fucking retard.

>>4363375
>looks and charisma
Men weren’t made to be pretty but strong. This is what women are into

>>4360321
Is there any way for me to organize my brushes like SAI?
Hate this "sub group" shit.

I CANT FUCKING REMEMBER ANYTHING

>>4363596
Sorry holy fuck i forgot to mention im using CSP.
The way t he brushes are all put into these "sub groups" pisses me off. I just need everything in one small window, not 15.

I'm so mad that people can draw finished colored ink drawing in such a short amount of time. I just want to get to that level and I can barely finish lineart and flat colors in a hour drawing for one figure.

>>4363600
drag everything into one sub group

I fucking hate everything I draw. Why can't I just be better fucking damn

>>4363622
Ok, let me put it this way.

Is there any way i can take all the brushes, and have it look like a grid, rather than list format.

>>4363628
like this?

I hate rendering sooooooooooooo much. i gave up after 3 hours. i feel like it's the ADHD setting in

>>4362412
that book was weird

>>4363658
Nice!

>>4363662
post it here son
>>4356939

>>4363662
Your drawing looks mostly fine except for the face, also you're using tiny and soft brushes way before you're close to done. 3 hours isn't bad for that amount of work but your workflow doesn't seem optimized. Do everything in rough passes instead of tightening up random parts, that gives you more stress when you see one part done and another part barely started. This is also a context switch in your brain from detail to big loose shapes which adds more stress. Work general to more specific. Not little bits of specific all over the place. Her teeth are brighter than the shirt and the eyes are a dead grey, the sternal notch is way overexaggerated and wrong looking especially with no sternalcleidomastoid. You seem like you're painting a bit over your level and could stand to do more practice for likeness and painting from life.

Whenever I take notes from a drawing book or video tutorial, it has to be written in a specifically neat way otherwise it won't FEEL RIGHT to me. This IT MUST FEEL RIGHT mentality is bleeding into other things I do like folding clothes, cleaning, etc. I'm finally starting to get over the particular way I closed my door, hopefully I can put the other dumb thoughts to rest ASAP.

I have been doing Scott's perspective course for 4 hours, and my brain hurts so fucking much.

>>4363868
Drink some water, hydrobro.

Why is it that sometimes i draw things that are actually good and sometimes i draw things that look like pic related or worse.
Is it normal to sometimes just not be able to draw in the slightest.

>>4362670
Understand that there are no shortcuts to skill learning and keep studying diligently. Spare a fraction of the time you set to draw to draw something you enjoy as opposed something you need to study.
On a final note, the amount of time you put daily will influence in how much time you'll develop that skill. But don't fall for the "draw 16 hours a day meme", as this works closer to a bell curve.

>>4360359
Same here but started at 31. I'm 32 now.

>>4363125
>Show sketchbook to people
>Nothing happens
Feels bad man

>>4363913
>>4363913

I started last year at 34. I'm a firm believer in "it's never too late". Actually, I think had I started earlier I would have made a mess of things. Having less time to practice helps me focus my studies and when I draw for fun I really do have fun. It's kind of my time away from family.

>>4363920
hey fellow boomer, 32 here. I started when i was a kid, but i didnt take it seriously or actively start trying to learn until last year. for you to draw like that in your first year is very impressive. people think its easier for kids to learn. its only easier because they have tons of energy and dont have to work, but our brains are better. your sketch here, is like... my first 20 years. if you do another year with the same fervor, youll be really great. im not gonna crit you because this is just the vent thread. if you post it in beg, ill give you crit but i thin you MUST be on the right track.

How to deal with the crushing feeling of people calling your art shit and garbage?

>>4364073
keep your ego in check

>>4364080
Good point

>Get like a 100 beautiful reference photos from Italy
>Imma draw every day, no chill
>Come back from trip
>Have to work
>Some family business
>Weekend, gf comes over
>Monday, work
>Groceries, food
Got myself drawing unrelated objects in the room, haven't even started on real pictures. How do you artists set your priorities??

>>4364073
say you'll be them up

>>4364096
if i dont draw i die.

>Started drawing at the age of 4 or 5
>Grew up wanting to be an illustrator
>Have had a long history of mental health issues
>Was diagnosed with depression at the age of 6
>By the age of 18, my anxiety over my art had become so severe that I quit outright
>Spent the next 8 years feeling suicidal everyday
>Just wanted to draw, but had developed some sort of phobia. Even looking at a blank piece of paper would make me feel uneasy. Drawing anything would put me in such a bad state of mind that some nights I would go to bed with tears in my eyes
>Tried other hobbies; bought an electronic drum kit, a saxophone, three digital pianos, among other instruments, was never able to stick with any of them because I would get so scared I would run away to avoid the problem
>Fell in love with literature after I stopped drawing, but that passion faded over time as my attempts to write put me in a terrible state of mind comparable to that of when I would try to draw
>Tried sculpting numerous times
>Tried shoemaking and other artistic endeavors
>Tried giving up art altogether, but the urge to create and express myself had become so deeply ingrained in me that the idea of never having that outlet made me want to kill myself
>Didn't get put on any medications until I was 21 or 22
>There was no dosage or combination that seemed to help
>Gave up on taking meds after years of finding them ineffective
>Used to work out a lot, went from an obese whale to 145lbs of lean muscle
>Tried meditation
>Tried therapy
>Tried hypnotherapy
>Nothing seemed to help me manage my mental health problems enough to let me draw again
>Eventually came across some studies on the use of psychedelics in treating anxiety/depression/PTSD/phobias in people resistant to other alternatives

>>4364302
>Did ayahuasca
>Made my life noticeably worse
>Dealt with derealization and depersonalization for a while
>Been two years since then and I still don't feel like myself
>My life became such a mess that I had to find ways to deal with the constant unease, could no longer run away from my problems
>I've mostly gotten better, but I still deal with some side effects every now again, mostly related to my eyes
>This awful experience had taught me how to deal with anxiety well enough to start drawing again
>Been going at it since mid-August of last year
>Less than ideal drawing conditions, but I used what I had
>Lots of studying everyday, typically 3-5 hours most days
>Would often get hand pains, sometimes extremely so, but they would be gone by the next day
>My drawing situation is better now, but the hours of stress on my drawing hand has caused me to feel stiff and sore in my wrist and fingers if I draw for even just five minutes
>Bought a glove that's supposed to help with hand pain
>Can't get better at drawing if I don't put in the hours, but I can't put in the hours because it hurts to draw
>Torn between trying to get at least a little drawing time in everyday and outright putting things on hold for a few weeks/months/however long it takes for my hand to heal and stop hurting
>Seriously considering teaching myself to draw with my other hand just so I can keep studying and learning everyday
Drawing is the only thing I want to do with my life. It's frustrating, it makes me feel upset sometimes, but I can slowly see the progress and I hope that I'll eventually be at a level where I can truly enjoy myself. Please, just let my hand get better. It took me so long to learn how to deal with my anxiety well enough to start drawing again. I'll be 28 soon. I wasted 9 years of my life doing nothing. I'm already having a hell of a time dealing with my eyes problems. I can't give up again.

>start new drawing with 90% of the composition being scenery for the sole purpose of trying to learn how to paint backgrounds
>3 days later, basically no progress
Why is painting so fucking hard

What the fuck is up with all these depressed late 20's to early 30 year olds on this board?

>>4364476
Because you don’t know what you’re doing

>>4360321
>there are artists who started at the same time as me but much better and I want to draw like them
>i can't draw for shit and was just lucky with my drawings
>at the same time there are other artists who started at the same time who want to draw like me for some reason
>feel like a fraud

feels like i don't know how to trust myself or allow myself to trust how i feel
alone all the time and not really doing much

my school keeps asking me to design their posters probably because I always do what I'm told but they never pay me or give me a better grade or anything just a "good job!!" but I'm too pussy to say anything and it's not like I do anything else at home I want moneys guys it's not fair

Im gonna fucking lynch Marmalade Scum. Arrogant piece of shit needs to die.

i feel like everything i make is a crude imitation of other peoples work or real life. my art has no soul and i probably have no soul

>>4364698
say no u spineless piece of shit

>>4364554
Reminds me of one guy that used to follow me.
He was 10 years younger than me and liked everything I posted, and always commented on how great my art was.
Fastforward 2 years later. He stops following me.
Reason: I still make the same quality of art, but now he's at least 3x better than I am at everything and even got moderately famous in the platform.
I still feel like utter shit, but I'm trying to channel that shame into getting better.

>>4364698
Underagefag detected

>>4364554
>LAZY NEZUMI opened on the picture to draw kirby
Lmao made my fucking day

Tfw starting to notice flaws in the works of people admired, its starting to lose its mysticism...

>>4363488
it's funny that main characters of tv and movie, male models, all the dudes girls post on twitter aren't buff dudes but dudes with good looking faces and slim bodies. You're just bad at analyzing the world.

>>4364741
>mfw I am that guy
>that one animator I used to like regressed so much that all he does is cheap furry porn now

>>4361076
same

how do you guys visualize what you are drawing while drawing? I find myself getting better and having an easy time drawing and then the next day i draw like i am mentally retarded and i can't fucking even draw a hand

>>4364304
hahaha sorry buddy but some of us just roll bad in the hand-health department. i'm almost a decade younger then you and have developed joint/arthritis issues so severe that my career as an artist is basically over before it started
to anyone just starting to get intensive with their art: please don't do the 6-8-10 hour a day grind. the gains are not worth the permanent damage you will do to your body, i can vouch.

>Currently owe the IRS 5.6k and I have to pay it by Mar 1st or I'm basically fucked.
>Depression, personal issues, and anxiety had me in such a blur for half the decade that I don't even remember well how it started, much less how I'm going to fix this.
>Been contemplating all day on either prostituting myself or killing myself, whichever is easier....but I have kids to think about.
>In the meantime I guess I'll sell my artwork for whoever wants to pay me I guess???

I have to work, my sister is 25 and a NEET
I have to earn my own money, she leeches off my parents and aunts.
I have to pay all my medical bills, she's never seen one
I'm the one who gets kicked out the house as soon as I finished school
I'm the one who'd get disowned if I'm found drawing

SHE'S THE ONE WHO GOT TO STUDY ART IN SCHOOL AND UNI, AND SHE'S STILL SHIT
FUCK
IT PISSES ME OFF
STOP BITCHING TO ME ABOUT HOW MOM WANTS YOU TO GET A JOB
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR "ART BLOCK" BULLSHIT
YOU HAD IT EASY, YOU GOT PAMPERED, I GOT JACK SHIT. BITCH.

>>4365097
>white cis-male coomer scum
If you don’t give women opportunities how will they succeed?

>>4364834
What? I see guys with pretty faces AND strong bodies posted.

>>4365097
you're probably a piece of work to be around.

>>4365021
>please don't do the 6-8-10 hour a day grind. the gains are not worth the permanent damage you will do to your body, i can vouch
Fuck dude I've been building my shit up for months now and finally reaching the 10h/day consistently
What if I finally get gud and my body trolls me, you're giving me the shills now

>>4365218
Exercise and take care of yourself and use your tools properly. Will you stop drawing because there’s a chance you loose your hands or sight tomorrow? Many pros and illustrators put in those hours without any permanent or atleast any injuries which permanently disables their ability to draw.

>>4365313
I get you anon. I used to be tired every time I started menstruating. Why does it happen every few weeks? It makes me lose all motivation, but I just relax and breathe and let it be and suddenly I'm myself again and I find inspiration in every corner and it feels like life has a purpose. It's a matter of thinking like there are Grey days and red days but there's also blue days and everything will be fine.

>>4360321
Goddamn it i spend days measuring to try and draw from reference accurately and it still looks nothing like it

>>4365345
Don't give up anon. God has a plan!

>>4365350
A plan to make me kill myself

>>4365356
Don't say that anon. Don't kill yourself. You know how difficult it is to the people that will find your lifeless body? Somebody will need to call the police, pay to cremate you, so much wasted time and money. Suicide is not a solution. If you want to stop living, become a YouTuber

>>4365363
What you’re saying doesn’t help me improve drawing from reference

>>4365345
Then it sounds like you need to spend more time checking plum lines and angles to make sure that you’re not only measuring off of something that’s accurate but to ensure what have been putting down is accurate. At each stage of the process, check everything and check the size relationships between everything in the drawing, make sure it’s working before moving forward. The more you check these measurements now., as time goes on you’ll still need to use plum lines and comparative measurement but your process will be more efficient after each drawing as long as you’re getting things right and most importantly fixing your mistakes.

>>4365454
This makes me erect.

>>4364492
What emotion would you feel other than depression when you realise that there are people much younger than you who are far better at doing what you enjoy?

How do you not get swarmed with feelings of regret and wastefulness?

>>4360349
>It's depression, isn't it?
No, just undisciplined.

>>4365533
Well, I like young strong boys with defined abs and intense thrilling energy. I love to rest my head on their shoulders while I grab them by their sex handles and masturbate them softly. It's so nice when they moan of pleasure. To each its own don't you think?

>>4365533
Not the anon you responded to, but:
What the fuck kind of reasoning is that? Your and their age has jack shit with skill to do. It all depends on how much you actually invest in honing your craft.

tfw can't come up with a cool-looking signature/monogram

>try to attend a lofe drawing class
>it's in the middle of an industrial ghetto at 7PM
>get into the building (an old steelyard)
>lights on inside studio but it's empty
>walk back home defeated
Not sure what I was expecting, amazed I didn't get robbed there

>guy draws an unfinished sketch
>gets 10k likes
>me draws an unfinished sketch
>1 like
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>4365910
Once you have an established fanbase it doesn't matter what you post, they will love it.

>Ordered Huion Kamvas Pro 13
>Get it
>Big ass row of dead pixels
>Send it back
>Order Cintiq 16 instead

Currently waiting for the Cintiq, don't even know if they'll give me the money back on the Huion or just fix it, gonna have to sell it in that case.

>>4365935
I don't know why people bother with tablets not made by Wacom. I bought an XP Pen tablet last year and it didn't work properly, even after spending a couple days fucking around with drivers and settings and even getting into contact with customer service. I ended up sending it back for a refund and bought a Wacom tablet and it worked immediately with no issues. I should have known better after having nothing but shitty experiences with Huion. And the thing is, I already knew that this would likely happen, and had already had nothing but great experiences with Wacom stuff I had used in the past.

XP Pen and Huion and other tablet makers put out a lot of products at good prices, but their drivers are ALWAYS SHIT and their products NEVER FUCKING WORK PROPERLY. Even if you do get lucky and don't have driver issues and the thing you bought actually works out of the box, the build quality means it'll start failing in a short amount of time anyways. Wacom's shit is expensive, but it'll last year and years.

Also, the Cintiq 16 is pretty good. It's what I'm using these days. Colors and resolution aren't great, but I've not had a single issue using it and for the price it's a hell of a good tablet.

I hate sounding like a Wacom shill, but jesus christ, other tablet makers need to step their shit up.

>>4365659
>signing up your works
70 iq move

>>4360323
You painting them on the ceiling too, DaVinci?

>start catching feels for discord art girls who are legitimately good and imagining cultivating a healthy relationship with them

help

>>4366255
Just tell them and then they’ll tell you their true feelings.
>tfw most discord art girls aren’t single

>>4366138
It's my first display tablet so I thought I could save a couple of bucks since I'm upgrading from an older Intuos Small, so whatever I get is an upgrade, turns out the build quality is what they cheaped out on and that's why they can go that low.
The drivers for the Huion also crashed my Nvidia graphics drivers, lesson learnt.
Hope the Cintiq arrives soon.

>>4366313
I hope it treats you well, friend.

>>4366255
No e-girls! Never!

I feel a burning passion to create, but I feel like my hours spent daily aren't taking me far enough, and I constantly have the feeling of despair seeing that my sketches are complete shit. I end up taking hours on the early stages of the drawing just to figure out the composure and proportions. I regret it everyday that I quit art for 3 years after trying to get into it, now I'm really into my young adult years who seriously needs to get a job, my time is up to be a carefree kid who has plenty of time to practice. I want to create wonderful, sexy, cool and calm illustrations but I can't until I sink more years into this hobby. It hurts bros, giving up is the biggest mistake we make. We'll never get the time we spent on our asses doing nothing back. My dad sees my practice drawing as a waste of time because I'm not bringing in good money and he's right, what good is a 22 year old who keeps leaving jobs and draws all day for chump change. If only I could turn back time and use my time more wisely to be the good artist I dreamt of

>>4360349
im like that too but when i sit down to "draw" i end up watching dumb youtube videos and telling my self "ill draw tomorrow"

lengthy rant.

To preface this, I’m a 20 year old who just recently dropped out of University after telling myself that a STEM degree is a “safe” option I can take whilst pursuing art. Turns out, that I just love art more than anything else in the world and fail to muster the energy and drive to put an 1/8th into Computer Science what I put into Art. That being said, I procrastinate and can go days without putting a line on the paper.

After being pilled hard about the Art/Animation industry I’ve been sifting through career alternatives that can sustain my living and have tried latching onto things that sort of interest me that I can pursue as a subsidiary for financial stability, such as CompSci, Physics/Astronomy, yet these are things that don’t dwell in me as well as Art.

My goal is to create comics/manga, but not for the industry, but for myself. The plan is to garner a following/fanbase. That plus furry-tier patreon bucks but that’s too wishful thinking. I truly believe that I have a story to tell that has never been done before.

Of course, all this lumps me with a few financial problems. I’m currently living with my mother right now, and sooner or later, she’s moving out and will no longer be able to pay the rent. Not a problem as I’ve just been accepted for a part-time job at retail with pay that will cover part of the rent. (I live with brothers as well as my mother.) The problem is that I’ve had serious issues with my family that cannot be shaken/resolved. Ideally, I’d like to move out of my house into an affordable basement/apartment/whatever shelter is available where I can be alone, but it is practically impossible to pay rent with part-time minimum wage bucks.

Tl;dr: I want to live off of my Art and don’t want to pursue a side-career and also attain my own flat where I can live alone away from my family. I’ve got a part-time job but it won’t be enough to pay the rent.

>>4366255
there are no art discords you liar

>spending days on each individual drawings
>too much of a spineless insecure bitch to post em on 4chan, only two followers on twitter are online friends, so effectively I have no following.
>nobody to give you kind words of encouragements, only dead silence
ngmi

>>4366751
Sort of at the same boat. I'm >>4366964.

All I can say is keep drawing. You don't have the NEET privileges anymore but unfortunately it seems as though you just have to keep hold on this rocky boat that is life with a sketchbook with you.

You should look for something part-time like I have, and offer to pay some of the rent so your dad can get off your back. Find something minimum-wage that you're comfortable. There's restaurants, deliveries, customer-service (suicide mode for us), night replenishment, night-time hotels and crap.

>>4360321
>Witnessed Project Melody cause an epidemic of Roastie buttpain of epic proportions.
>Inspired to start drawing Big tittied animus to add sand to their prolapsed Baginas
>No matter what I try to do it looks too much like loli proportions
>Realize I've been drawing loli for the past four years now
>Realize I've never created a blog or even submitted work online anywhere
>Realize I won't be able to participate in the booty blasting until I unlearn the loliform and be able to post on normie sites
>Realize I've made a terrible terrible mistake.

In my second college drawing class
I’m the worst In my class and it shows. How do I keep myself motivated? I know I just started but it’s so disheartening

>>4366995
>going to art school
boy...

>>4366979
I'd say, like in a months' time, somebody is going to post an art discord. This is probably the best thing you can get on /ic/, a close-knit community of serious artists who aren't shitposters and crabs who you can befriend over time and become art buddies with who you can confidently share your work with.

There is an art discord thread right now but the last Art discord server was very established in that every single person was trying to create a new discord server that could offer a friendly community. Still though, regularly check the one that is there right now just in case it gets more bumps.

If this isn't an option then I don't know what to tell you. You need to get out of the pussy bubble and just post your work. You're not obligated to heed the advice given here, but you have to be confident in the community, even though you're convinced that the stuff you produce is absolute shit.

>>4367001
ty anon

>>4366987
The thing is that I can't fucking find a part time job. Everything wants a full time wage slave and I live in a shitty town with a shitty economy. The only part time job I got was a a back breaking construction job with a poor contractor who underpaid me. The job took at an hour to get there and back, I worked 7 hours and got 45ish bucks a day and quit pretty fast because I fucking draw anime girls for the same amount of money

>>4366994
You tried to draw to spite/piss people off you couldn't even execute it properly.

You're not that guy who drew Nessa as a Gorilla. You may have the lack of fucks, but you also have the lack of skill. You just look like a shitposting pedo fool.

At least he had technical skill, which is why people defended him.

Anyways, un-lolify yourself and start drawing big busty anime girls you fucking pedo.

>>4363899
Drawing is 90% in your head and 10% in your hand, your range of ability is largely determined by your state of mind, how much sleep you got, etc. strong construction let’s you offload the brainwork by following simple systems. Drawing fisheye perspective shots freehand from imagination will give you wildly different results depending on if you’re tired or wide awake, but 3 point perspective with construction lines and a ruler will net effectively the same result no matter how you feel

>>4365099
>>4365156
>>4365097
Yeah I was being kind of stupid typing that out.
I actually really love her (as family) and we're basically best friends.

Guess I let my jealousy get to me, she had a lot of opportunity but I just have to make my own then.

>>4367008
>The thing is that I can't fucking find a part time job. Everything wants a full time wage slave and I live in a shitty town with a shitty economy.

Darn. That sucks to hear. I'm probably a little luckier as I live in the city.

Drawing anime girls is NOT a stable source of income, though. But you already knew that. The only this is, if full-time is your only option, how will it affect your mental health, since that will also affect your ability to draw.

>>4367029
no dude fuck em you were right to be pissed.

>>4364096
It’s all I have going for me at this point. A girlfriend/boyfriend feels like a joke and I don’t like to spend time around people in person anyways . I managed to ditch video games because they’re a fucking waste of time, I don’t watch many movies or any tv, youtube and /ic/ are the last things to kick.

I've been super out of it lately, I draw badly once in a day and it discourages me. Working my way out of it, though. Draw at least an hour every day, or else you'll lose your gains forever.

>>4363918
>show sketchbook to people
>“wooow I can’t even draw a stick figure lol”

>>4361831
>I went to art school for 5 fuckin years and it still hasnt clicked with me.
Tell us a bit about it. How was it? What did you learn?

>>4367045
Normies don't know how to create shit, and only know how to consume, so of course they just give the same NPC stock answers whenever you show them that you can draw.

They just can't relate and don't have anything interesting to say on the topic.

I'm done with commissions.

I've spent nearly three and a half years fulfilling other peoplr's creative ambitions, leaving my own dreams in the dust, all for less than minimum wage.

I'll do this on my own merit, fulfilling my own goals. If I have to break my taboo on politics in entertainment to do so, so be it.

>>4367045
It honestly makes me feel so good when they say that. Like yeah fuck you. I'm way superior to every single one of you. /ic/ was wrong. I'm actually good.

>>4364304
>I wasted 9 years of my life doing nothing.
I know that all to well. This summer I'll have my 5 year NEET anniversary. I'm not proud. All went to shit 9 years ago after I damaged a sinew in one of my fingers (and yet it affects the whole hand). The constant thought of "what if I'd be unable to draw because my condition suddenly worsens?" is dragging me down.

>>4367226
I love you anon and I hope others love you too. Don't give up. For the love of God don't think of taking your own life. You are important. Your life has a meaning. Jesus saves!

>>4366751
So...is Terra Formars worth it?

>>4366751
>>4367355
Fuck, I meant to ask if it's worth reading

>>4367008
>The thing is that I can't fucking find a part time job. Everything wants a full time wage slave
Same. Absolutely the same scenario. It doesn't help that I have 5 years of nothing after school on my CV

>>4367233
>For the love of God don't think of taking your own life.
I won't.
Headlong out of the window sounded good, but I didn't want to risk a life in a wheelchair due to a fuck up. I'm too much of a pussy to do it anyway.
Also, I don't want to be the reason someone else has to seek counseling because they had to clean up a mess.

>>4367180
It could've been better/worse honestly. My first few years were prolly the most retarded I've ever been, especially my freshman year where I had to take the basic intro to drawing class 4 times (which technically led into my sophomore year). I did learn some stuff there and it wasn't a waste or anything, I just didn't have a lot of mental maturity at first, and didn't have a lot after I graduated, but I got better as the years passed on. Afterwards I drew other stuff to keep myself busy whilst looking for a job in animation (which I still currently am), but only when I posted my stuff on /ic/ did I get a huge wakeup call about how flawed my craft was. Sure I never thought I was "finished" learning, but I never thought I was THAT bad. The important thing that I had to keep in mind was that there had to be a reason I was getting hate from what I posted aside from me spamming the thread with dumb shit. I was just completely unaware of how /beg/ I truly was.

It's sort of like, you know how a 4 year old kid is super confident in their obviously crappy drawing of stick figures and such despite it being crappy? Obviously I don't draw like 4 year old (as can be said for about 95% of /beg/), but I came to the realization that I had to ask myself: how can I be confident in being confident in my work in the first place? Dunno if that makes any sense but that's how I see it.

>>4360321
I seriously, genuinely have Season Affective Disorder and no matter how badly I don't want to, every year I always sleep the next month and a half away instead of getting anything productive done. I physically and mentally feel like complete garbage.

>>4367407
Don't feel bad if it's something you can't control. Think of it as you being a bear. Bears hibernate.

>>4367382
Applying for jobs fucking sucks
>oh you want to wash these cars for 8 bucks an hour? Well please put your years of experience down, a number to call each of your previous employers, adress oh and have 3 references who arent family whatever the fuck this means and put their number lol, oh yeah and be sure to call back to show that you're desperate enough to wage slave here lol
FUCK off take my chicken scratch. I wanna die at 30 if I don't make it

I really fucking memed myself believing people who knew jack shit about online money making with art, who said that it was a waste of time. There are 18 year olds with a bright future thanks to them growing up drawing. You can get out there online and make a name for yourself if you got the skills. Now I'm ranting

>>4367361
Yes it fucking is. The art is fantastic, the bug human designs are cool when they transform, and the whole plot is unsettling. They're dealing with the rise of a powerful species that makes them in the position of a small cockroach. I recommend trying it for the art alone. I bet the plot set up will have you interested from chapter 0

>>4360321
>be me
>make artwork that I think is cute or otherwise really like
>mention it to my bf, a better artist, who insists I post it
>I refuse, he calls me scared, I post defensively
>he crits me for the next 20 minutes, redlining and showing me why it's shit
>"oh but I really like this one though, anon!"
>feel demotivated because sad cuz mad cuz bad
>don't draw until the next day when I force myself
>repeat

how do I get out of this mindset anons, I hate it and it only makes me feel bad all the time

Happy Valentines Day too btw

>>4367902
dumb him after valentines

>>4367908
that doesn't fix the problem, just offsets it

plus, he's the best I'm just bad at taking his well-meaning crit. I think the issue might be me putting him and his opinion on a pedestal but idk

>>4367913
Yeah you’re a ngmi

>>4367902
Needy fag

the aphantasia meme makes me want to gut myself. if you can print out images in your mind you should be able to become a master in a year. all the work into learning would just be knowing how to use what materals alongside hand eye coordination practice.

I just now understand that I can't draw a sphere or a box, I'm pretty popular and was drawing for like 5 years

>wants to draw
>can't come up with anything

Every. Single. Time.

>>4362035
>gf

>post art
>followers count goes down

>>4368368
FOR THE LAST TIME I WILL SAY THIS.
FOR THE LAST TIME.

APHANTASIA =/= VISUAL LIBRARY.

I can rotate images in my head and make inanimate hard objects bend and dance while rotating it in many different angles. Does that mean that I suddenly know perspective? NO. That’s because my brain is estimating a vague image based on the knowledge I have on the subject.

Building your visual library by drawing things in the world WILL make you vision the red apple. Think of something in the best detail as possible. You can see it clearly right? Now fucking draw it. Draw it with that image in mind.

Proko is a master draftsman yet can’t fucking draw a Kangaroo from imagination. He can DEFINITELY draw one from reference, but he clearly does not have the visual knowledge of the anatomical construct of a kangaroo. It isn’t anphantasia it’s literally remembering how things are by drawing them many times.

im terrified to start digital art, it gives me anxiety i literally have no idea where to start even though i just spent 400 dollars on a drawing tablet

Why is no one helping the /beg/'s, we don't want any more people to create their own threads, do we.

>>4369273
This has happened to every artist at some point. The only thing I can tell you is that you're on the right path. I'm not talking about the being terrified part, that's retarded. I'm saying all of us have wasted money on things we won't use.

>>4369057
>Post fetish art some would dislike
>Follower count goes up and it's rapidly shared/liked

>>4369323
Who is this character?

>>4369330
Bear girl from Yuri Kuma

>wants to draw
>feeling back pain
i just want to kill myself

>>4369348
Looks like a cute anime.
This is awesome.
Thanks anon.

WHY IS THIS BOARD SO FUCKING SLOW

>>4360321
Im really, really fucking depressed and feel suicidal, but i also feel like bringing it up, even in the context of an anonymous vent thread is just attention whoring. I want to talk about it but don't want to put that shit on my friends, and i keep flip flopping between telling myself im just being a bitch because i know i dont have the guts to go through with it, and trying to force myself to seriously get help because theres a small chance i might. i hate the feeling that I'm entirely self absorbed because 24/7 the only thing i can think about is how much i hate myself. my problems are entirely in my head, and the only solution i really have for them is to stop caring about them, or take pills that make me do that.

I want to throw myself entirely into art, but despite being driven to improve by the possibility of it being an escape from reality it's never worked as one. at best it was just a way to self insert into stupid fantasies, and it doesn't even do that for me anymore. self harm and anorexia give me a feeling of control over things, but are angsty tween girl methods and I don't want to ruin the chance i might have to connect with people by scaring them off with what are very clear signs I'm an unstable narcissist that's going to be nothing but drama.

>with lifting I can jump into it with almost extreme autism, bench press approaching 300 for example
>playing my guitar and cello has me mainly being lead by the sheet music and I become faster and better at playing through muscle memory training
>sitting down and drawing makes me lose almost all motivation because I feel so lost with how to practice, constantly trying to create a "workout" routine to make practice more manageable
I feel like it's because drawing is so intuitive whereas the former things I do can be done analytically. It's so hard for me to think abstractly that I literally feel like my brain is being squeezed inside a proverbial box that can't be broken out of, and that if I were to do so I would have some kind of epiphany and drawing practice would become as fun as every other hobby I do.

>>4369669
>00

>>4369696
This is so nice and sweet. It's nice that some artists turn their eyes towards the less privileged and the sick. This should be the symbol of down syndrome. Excellent work anon.

>>4369669

>>4369702
This is shit.

>>4369701
Do it up, Bro.

>>4369701
>>4369696
Getting those gooood numbers.

>>4369355
Please don't. At least wait until the corona virus reaches your town. Who knows, it can do it for you.

>Another night drawing
>Valentine's day
>Decide to watch Melody's livestream out of curiosity
>Legitimately start laughing at her corny sex jokes
>Everyone's having a great time
>Find myself consumed by the avatar
>Emotions flare up and without realizing a smile manifested on my face
>Realize this is the first time a Valentine's evening is actually enjoyable
>Realize I was being mesmerized by another Woman's voice behind an AI avatar
>Realize that you've shut yourself off and formed barriers on your heart until you've developed remorse for the opposite sex
>It took a fucking Anime Avatar to break down the erected walls since childhood
>Is this what Love feels like?
I'm legit about to cry.

>>4369726
):

>>4369726
I feel you, we both spent a great night with Melody. Probably the only good valentines day we'll ever have for our entire lives.

>>4369726
>>4369731
You both should probably see a therapist... for your own good desu.

>>4369731
Tonight is the night we will feel alive.

https://youtu.be/6Oseji6ddG0

>>4369250
hey look someone smart on this board what a rarity

>>4360323
Dont
Be like me and draw naked japanese people

>>4361163
>I'm trying to cut back on caffeine. I have an actual addiction and honestly I wouldn't have stopped if it wasn't for this horrible eye twitching on one side and actually stabbing pain headache on the other.
...Fuck, same symptoms. I drink between 6-8 cups a day.

>College Varsity BBall Player
>Body ripped af cause gym after class/practice
>Secretly doing arts
>Finished drawing a cute anime character
>Accidentally posted on my personal instagram
>The Boys making fun of me
>But more girls started hanging out with me
I guess I got the last laugh but jesus the bullying doesn't stop. FUCK STEREOTYPES

>tell artist I want a commission and eagerly wait for 2 hours only to see that they left me on read and just shitposted within said timeframe
Vaguely related but I need to be angry and petty and whine for a sec or else I'll die of cardiac arrest

>>4369797
post body

>>4369250
If you're correct, couldn't an AI be the greatest artist, relatively quickly?
Most artist train for a whole lifetime before they create great art. So if it's as easy as drawing them many times or, in your rebuttal, from reference. Neural networks can aquire the same knowledge as an expert artist drawing any animal previously documented, overnight.
I think you should be arguing the fact that consciousness, in it's core use, is in the imagined futures of our inevitable death. And allow the user to visualize (i.e. Senses, any sense) this future, and make changes to avoid death. This is what gives artists who draw, or sculpt, or shape, or manipulate media so to create an imagined scene for those who hadn't imagined it. Art is part of our society, and it's what brings us together to do unimaginable things. It's so much more than just seeing and drawing things we've seen and drawn before.

>Saved file
>Ready to post on social media
>Sees something wrong at the corner of my eye
>Fix
>Rinse and repeat
I hate this

>>4360349
I think this is more of a form of self sabotaging rather than depression, although in some cases depression can act in the same way. You're believing deep down that you won't reach the level you wish, so instead you self sabotage by procrastinating in order to spare yourself from what you think is inevitable failure.

>>4369857
So what's the solution? Just do it and see it to the end? It'll be worthwhile to know? Spending one life to know the answer to a life long question? Maybe next life, do a little bit better?

>>4369865
alkaline diet. kiwi. ginger tea. pc green tea. hummus. sunflower seeds, etc.

>>4369865
I think it's the same as dealing with rejection. You just need to bite the bullet and accept that failure is part of life and an important tool to better yourself. Posting your art online for c&c can go a long way towards desensitizing you towards critique(in essence getting used to small mistake/minor failures can show you that failure is not something to fear), admitting to yourself and others past mistakes, observing and making conscious efforts to change those things that lead you to failure.
There are many ways to deal with it, you just have to identify what works for you best

>>4369733
Not either of them but yeah let me go see a fresh out of college therapist (most likely female) and basically pay them 400 dollars to tell me to just b urself!! and to get out more.
Fuck off

How do I get back into traditional? It's so intimidating that I go back to my comfort zone, then erase any sketch I make because it's not ambitious enough and I want to draw outside my comfort zone. But then when I draw outside my comfort zone it looks terrible and I end up erasing it and starting from square one.

>watching art talks
>"Oh man art came so easily to me"
>"I was making progress like crazy, was just easy"
>get pissed off, change videos
>guy talking about how he became a pro
>WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF PICKING UP ART
Is this really how easy it is to the talented?
I really want to make it, but I've been coming to the realization of just how shit I am after so many years...

>>4369930
Or, here me out schizo, they/you shop around and find the whitest, male-est, oldest, most experienced therapist you can afford that will help you work out problems. You could also go to a psychologist..or a psychiatrist but they'll just give you drugs lol. Whatever you choose its whatever to me though, im not the one so depressed it took smiling at some anime livestream and seeing people have fun online to realize ive built up years of repressed emotional trauma that's causing me pain that I'm still not ready to come to gripes with in any meaningful way. Dipshit.

>>4369947
Producing art is a skill, it’s not a talent.
Talent is creativity and knowing how to use that skill.
You can produce high quality art without talent with just "proper" practice/training. Having talent just makes that High Quality to Ultra Quality which you might or might not gain over the years.
And remember, each individual has different learning speed, I know a few people who took a couple of months to breakthrough while others took 10+ years.

>>4369949
>they/you shop around and find the whitest, male-est, oldest
I'm seriously surprised people are going to a young therapist lol.
Ngl those grandpeeps(white hair) therapists are like the best ones to open up to.

>psychologist/psychiatrist
These are the real money grabbers desu

Question to those who draw with your elbow, does your wrist slide on the tablet? Mine is too greasy when I draw

Why do people refuse to critique studies in /beg/. I get good critiques when I post a full piece, but no one every responds to my studies.

I was trying to get some critique on some proportion studies, this was based on some critique. I previously attempted sight size measuring, but I'm bad at that, so I decided to put more focus on negative space.

What I want to know is if I'm taking the right approach, and what more I could do to improve proportions.

>>4370131
>They shitted the chink who makes critique videos from /beg/
ngl he was kinda helpful since you're guaranteed someone will say something about your work.
/beg/ is pretty much back to robot auto-responses.

>>4370131
>that cheetah
oh lord he comin

>>4370066
they have gloves for that, that covers the ring and pinky fingers

>>4369801
>being a creepy dude who complains about Read
I turned chat receipts off on twitter. I'll fucking respond when i feel like it

>huge account always likes my art, but never retweets
>i have barely any followers, but i'm better then them
is it jealousy?

>>4369731
I wasn't around for the live stream but I'm about to watch the archived video

It took me six months, but I think I finally figured out how to hold a pencil. This is the third time in my life that I have improved at drawing: first I learned how to draw stick figures, then how to draw cubes, and now I can properly hold a pencil.

I clearly have no aptitude for this and I know I should give up, but I'm too stubborn and competitive to do so.

>>4370223
Whose youtube channel is it, I'm intrigued.

>>4369969
Thanks anon.
Whether there's talented people out there or not, the best thing I can do is just keep drawing.

I hate this place, it's just anime and porn, most of the times anime porn.
Makes me dislike "art" since this place has made me associate it with compulsive need to grind big titty anatomy with dreams to someday make big bucks drawing hentai on patreon

>just leave then lol
there are still interesting stuff posted sometimes

AHHHH I KNEW I SHOULD'VE PAID MY TAXES WITH MY FUTA COMMISSION MONEY

>>4360349
I have ADHD and even though taking ritalin get rids of most of the issue I have regarding ADHD I still fall victim to this whenever I try to draw something that I am not too fond about (e.g. grinding fundies) so I can confirm that ADHD is not the issue here and meds don't help on this department. Like that other anon said it's just lack of discipline.

>>4370633
Just draw what you actually want.

>wake up
>draw the same 4-5 characters each day
>never draw dynamic poses, looks awful whenever i try
>my ideas never run dry, always writing down what i want to do next
>never commit to it
>wonder if this passion is just a silly little dream
>wonder if i'll ever get far in life with it

>>4370818
You're going to make it.

>>4369297
nobody helps anybody around here

>>4370633
My experience on this board sadly.

I think the MAIN reason why I still keep coming back to this site let alone this board is because I lack irl friends to destroy the twisted, depressing way I currently perceive this world.

I want to kill myself but the characters in my head aren’t letting me.

>draw literally the best thing I ever drew
>try to draw something else
>accidentally delete the layer
>save file
>close file
>open file
>look for the work
>it's gone
Is there a better feeling, bros?

How hard would it be to replicate the style of this game? I want to learn how to draw stuff in a more cutesy minimalistic style like this.

>>4371146
with good design sense, not that hard. Study how detailed and non-detailed spaces harmonize first I guess.

>>4369791
Hey I'm actually the anon you're replying to and it's only been about a week and a half or so since I've cut back, but it helps so much. It also comes with the added bonus of lowering my tolerance, so I'm spending way less money on energy drinks than I was before. Those first few days were fucking hell though. As you can see from my post, I clearly thought I was dying.

>>4360321
>art college
>Pick the most strict painting professor
>fairly hard on me but It's all for improvement. Love the feedback
>sees the teacher is easier on weaker students, and I feel superior
>actually turns out he likes worse and lazier art.

I try so hard every week, and barely complain, but am becoming bitter along the way

>>4369537
honesty is a really difficult thing for me too. Never was raised to complain. Seeing people moan and bitch around me makes me roll my eyes, but I suffer.

It's not normal to bottle it up i suppose. Talk to someone trusted at least once, and take yourself goddamned seriously. they will be a crutch to lean on even when you want to hide away your depression.

>Be anon 6yo
>"What a nice picture anon, wow, keep on drawing!"

>Be anon 26yo
>Draw like a 6 year old
>"Learn to draw faggot

>Don't like art
>Don't like drawing
>Still keep on learning and studying
I hate this but can't stop, fucking shit.

>Produced a very nice piece
>Try to draw something I have in mind
>Fail big time
>Suddenly I cannot draw anything properly and struggle with everything again
WHY THIS KEEPS HAPPENING?

>>4372664
>Draw a pretty good piece
>"Anon, that's great. Can you draw x?"
>Can't draw it
>Can't draw anything anymore
Fuuuck

>>4371005
>saves file
>didn't just hit undo

>>4372664
>>4372673
Practice brings consistency

>time to make a sketch

>>4372664
I feek this way about head shapes
I've drawn them like a thousand times in the past year and a half and I still don't get them decent first , second or third try

>>4372741
I have it with hands. I spent so much time getting them right, and still fall on the same mistakes over and over again even when I know it.

>start drawing
>getting thirsty every ten minutes to the point that my mouth is completely dry
>can play games or watch youtube for 5 hours straight without a drop of water
What the fuck

>>4360321
Everytime I watch sketchbook vids on youtube, I think how boring my sketchbook is in comparison. I think I need to start trying to draw scenes instead of just figure drawings, and try to use other mediums like pen and color instead of just mechanical pencil all the time...

>>4372981
sounds like diabetes.

I hate Porn Artists. I hate all this easy money sex sells bullshit.

Is it because i am jealous? I guess.

How can i stop giving a fuck about other peoples success/works? I already tried the "just close it if you dont like it", but this anger just keeps on lingering inside me.

Have i become Crab?

>>4374258
Yes you are a crab. Sex content has been selling since the dawn of time

>>4361538
cushy retirement type jobs get rarer all the time, even finding one would be hard now

>>4369949
lmao, not that anon but go choke on a bag of horse dicks. Its a venting thread and your here calling someone mentally ill because he had an epiphany when most people are too stupid to even understand the meaning of the word. I bet your a women, acting like this is the exact reason some men turn out like that anon.

I’m on the verge of wiping my entire internet presence and then proceeding to kill myself but there lingers a few people who seem to keep sticking around and favoriting my work. I’m not friends with these people but their favorites are genuine and they keep coming back to my profile periodically even when I don’t upload anything. It’s these tiny things that prevent me from what I was thinking about doing today.

>>4377091
On second thought nvm.

>>4377145
>>4377091
kys

>it's a family thinks you can do a piece in 10 minutes episode