/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Posted this in the last thread. What do you guys think? I attempted actually colouring a drawing of mine for the first time. I'm not too happy with the result. I think I may have over blended it, but am not sure what I can do to make the colouring better.

>>4348789
like i said last thread, fix the lines

>>4348795
why is the critique on this board so terrible? you cant just tell someone to fix something and expect them to magically know what you mean when you say "fix"?

>>4348789
For the most part:
- her eyes have different sizes
- hear head is pointy egg?
- arms too thin
- line quality

>>4348796
make them less shit.

>>4348789
horrible linework, but you'll get there I think.

>>4348796
... compare your linework with someone who has good linework, it should be pretty evident what he means.

>>4348789
god those lines, disgusting - please fix

>>4348789
Can you post the pic with flat colors without blending?

Can anyone recc me some series that have a similar look to this. I'm trying to get some good reference in me before this art style morphs into something completely different.

>>4349106
Isn't this like Gantz?

>>4349106
...what exactly is "mecha" about this picture?

>>4349210
mecha... nical pencil?

tips for hard shadowing in anime? like, are the black parts supposed to be the darkest parts or is there more about it?

>>4349262
I can't help you out with that info specifically, but if you should definitely check out the movie "Redline".

https://anidb.net/anime/6529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsMHardxnU

>>4349270
ah i watched it a long time ago but you're right i'll go back studying it abit more, how did the movie do anyway, was it worth the 7 years of Madhouse?

>>4349279
I have to admit that I didn't watch the movie yet. It's like most of the anime on my list and even Toy Story 3. There's always a "later". I'll watch it in the coming days for sure (because I'm experimenting with shading styles as well).

>>4349262
isn't this graphical shading? I remember seeing this being used very heavily in some western comics, don't remember who but he was very good at shading with pure black shapes.

>>4349279
>>4349307
>didn't watch the movie yet
are you fucking kidding me!? I rewatch redline like every 2 months. It's also my test movie whenever I get new audio system or TV.

I'm probably going to watch it tonight since you mentioned it

>>4349307
If you want to learn this style, getting this movie and drawing every frame of it while studying the shading should be a great way to do it.

>>4349152
Doesn't look too much like Gantz to me except for the body suit. And really that's a placeholder until I can design a better one.
>>4349210
I've been flirting with the idea of a mecha series and she's a character I thought up for it. So when I needed a file name to save this as I just chose Mecha Girl since it was the first thing that came to mind

>>4349262
>Nigger Knight
>Middle eastern based girl
cringe SJW shit

study of @REDUM

you can feel condescending tone from oda's comment, he thinks Kubo's gone for good, he'll be in for a surprise soon..

WRONG THREAD FUCK OFF 4chan MEANT THIS FOR /A/ >>4349401

>>4349401
>/asg/ posters are shonenshitters
why am I not surprised

>>4349401
>>4349404
>Shounentard

>>4349417
>>4349419
bleach has seinen elements

>>4349417
>>4349419
>>4349444
seinen, shounen, blah blah blah, all I know is this shit is for GAYMEN

>>4349061
Unfortunately I did the shading on the same layer as the flat colours. I guess I should do them on separate layers next time. Here's the linework though, I feel like it looks ten times better without colour.

>>4349453
forgot pic

>>4349453
forgot pic

>>4349357
I don't see your uncle-daddy and daughter-niece piece anywhere. How can we weed out the SJW trash without a nephson, nigger?

>>4349453
>>4349459
Here friend I gave her a try

>>4349449
I will trust your expert opinion on gayness.

>>4349459
Seriously my dude, try doing this next time:
>make your drawing, doesn't matter if shitty lines
>lower the opacity of this layer
>create new layer, try now making the same drawing but with CONFIDENT LINES

It will make your work seem 999x better, you also get more mileage drawing like this because you'll be drawing the same thing twice.

>>4349557
the shading of the chest area looks way nicer, nice job.

>>4349655
That sounds like an good idea. I'll try it next time, thanks anon.
Do you have any tips for the confident line part though? Whenever I try to be confident in my lines they just end up going the wrong way. That's why I just draw it like a sketch.

>>4349662
You need patience with your lines, young padawan.
Most artists even has 3+ layers of linear work doing this >>4349655 over and over again till they feel good about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk
Theres a tons of video tutorials on jewtube about the basics, just give some time to seat and study.

>>4349459
Is this "proper-lineart" stuff that important? I think those lineart has their own charm, like pic related.

>>4349862
is part of the fundamentals of drawing

>>4348702
Did some Yoh Yoshinari studies today, trying to figure out how he manages to get his forms to read so well. Short answer: he does a lot of overlaps between parts of the body (eg upper arm -> forearm; thigh -> calves).

>>4348702
Does anyone have the full res pic of the middle artwork?

>>4348789
This looks traced

>>4350159
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/39411
Find it here.

>>4350237
Thank you!

>>4350138
is that ben 10

>>4350337
Yeah lol I was surprised to see him in the sketchbook. Pic related is Yoshinari's.

I'll share a habit that I've been doing for a while.

Inspired by canking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87FsO79zYwU

I go into https://shuffle.iggyzuk.com/
Using this board: https://www.pinterest.jp/ashukunyo/rl/
(or you could use any other board you like)

Then I get 10 random pictures, put them on PureRef. (https://imgur.com/a/DJUUaIK))

You can zoom in on pictures by pressing space, use mouse buttons to move pictures or to move the window itself.

After that, I just sketch all of them, deleting each picture after I'm done so that I don't go back to work on it later.

Been doing about 10 pictures a day, from life and from reference of artists I like. I don't use construction, instead I try to imagine the construction, so of course there may be some errors, but I think this practice is worth it, also done on cheap papers so that if I mess up I can always just throw it away, so I feel better trying to do more confident lines.

I've done construction with light lines on an HB pencil before, and while it leads to more accurate drawings, it's slower and feels a bit like a handicap.

Pic related is an example.

>>4349557
A tip if you're trying to colour over lineart that has a white background - do your colouring on a single layer set to Multiply, above the lineart
Obviously there are ways to extract lineart from backgrounds which are ultimately better methods, but if you don't really give a shit then that's one way you can avoid all those white pixels you have

>>4349710
Alright, I guess it's time to buckle down and finally fix my line art. I usually like to complete my drawings fast as possible so I never really put much effort into it.

Are theses threads worth posting in?

Gettin into virtual youtubers lately

>>4350815
i liked it s lot anon, maybe the torso is a bit too long?

>>4349371
did some more touchups this morning, think ill call it here

After only posting studies I started this Jeanne from imagination

>>4351125

>>4348796
>using /ic/ for critique, instead of shit posting.
Explains why this place have so many retards.

>>4351207
Because most on /ic are /begs and/or coomer artists with bare bones understanding of anatomy and perspective.

As a result, they try to pull down whoever tries to crawl out of this sad little hurtbucket.

The only use for this place is free resources and inspo threads. Otherwise, just crabbing, shilling, and hate threads.

>>4351125
Blog?

>>4350567
>>4349557
Actually, a good way to do this is have the lineart layer on top set to multiply. Then you'll be able to see the color through the white background and be able to use multiple layers and layer modes to color without interfering with the lines.
In clipstudio, there's an option in I think the Edit menu called something like "change white to transparency" which effectively deletes white backgrounds, leaving just the lineart.
There's also a way to do it in Photoshop that involves copy-pasting the alpha channel with the lineart onto a transparent layer.

Rate my Meliodas.

(sorry for my english) hi guys i've been practicing drawing from memory and recently i switched to paint tool sai, i proposed myself to improve drawing the structure of the face and i am trying to do lineart (i've always avoided it) if somebody wants to give me some advice i would love to read it :)

Thanks everyone for your tips! I think I'm done with the meme rendering piece and can finally move on. I still don't know how to do hair but I learned a lot in the process by attempting to finish a piece

Heres my Polnareff I just finished. Does anyone have tips for lineart in Krita? Are other programs better period for lineart?

>>4351592
If you're doing lineart I find it very convinient to work on a high resolution. Take a look at >>4350815 for example. The lineart looks alright but if you zoom in you realize it is far from perfect.

>>4351592
construct the face because your one from memory is all wonkey.

>>4351703
Wow that actually helps a lot thanks for the pro tip!

>>4351712
4k x 4k 300 dpi is a goto if you need measurements.

>>4351695
nice rendering anon, what was the rendering stuff you followed?

>>4351292
I don't have one yet but I really want to create one
I have an old twitter account that I use to keep up with news.
So how does it even work? Do I start posting my stuff even with 0 followers?
Here's the drawing with some colors, I still need to finish it

>>4351661
is that simon

Trying to study Sahara Mizu's art, by looking and drawing from memory. Sorry for the mess, but I don't mind your opinions and critiques. I like learning more from others and getting better.

>>4351909
From the previous thread
>>4342830
>>4344994
>>4345032

>>4351703
thank you for the tip :D i'm going to apply it to my next drawing
>>4351705
what tipe of construction would you recommend for constructing anime faces?

How does this style make you feel?

>>4352915
Soul.

>>4352915
soulless chink mobile game advertisement

>>4352915
kinda meh

>>4352915
fixing the eye could make this from soulless to soulful.

>>4352915
from a Western perspective, this looks flat. The 3D lighting doesn't save it. However, it conveys a lot of different attitudes.

>>4352241
I wish

>Learned today that I can use "clip to layer below" can fix my linears
Holy shit I feel like I solved the mystery of black holes.

>>4353165
good job unironically. its crazy how certain simple tricks can solve so many headaches

>>4352915
nothing much in particular, its technically competent but ive always disliked the style of flat tones + airbrushing, especially as it feels more dated with every year that passes

how do you guys fix or avoid those jaggy lines after a fill?

>>4353242
Assuming you have your lineart by itself in a transparent layer just go on the layer below where you applied the color and you should be able to do the finishing touches manually in a breeze and erase any remainder.

Assuming that for some reason you have your lineart together with a white background in one single layer, if you're using CSP you can go to [Edit > Convert brightness to opacity] which will eliminate all white areas and left your lineart untouched and from there work using my first statement.

Also working in super high res makes filling those little zones easier.

>>4353268
Thanks!

>>4353268
damn so theres no easy way for this isn it

just hate it

>>4353312
super cute Ran, is from imagination?

>>4353316
Yes, i tried pushing a sketch i had but I always come to the same set backs: eyes, hair, etc.

>>4353020
the fuck is 3D lighting?

tips on drawing as fast as possible with acceptable results? i need to shit out a ton of visual novel sprites.

also why do the /a/ drawthreads have higher quality drawfrens than on here

>>4353339
most people here are trying to learn. you wont find super high quality artists because we're all students

>>4353341
>not being the top student who far surpasses the master

Is it normal to finish one canvas between 8-10 hours?

Style test for comic I want to start on.
Anybody have good recs of really good really dynamic manga artists I could study from?

>>4353366
Blue Lock is a sports manga which is really good at dynamic angles and conveying action sense through composition

>>4353366
This is an anime study thread. Go post in /alt/
The eyes nose and mouth screams western anime. If that's what you are going for then good, but if you're really trying to go for anime I would say you should study more anime.

>>4353376
I'd say that's fine, plenty of manga has a style similar to that, though it all depends on the finished work.

>>4353375
Thanks this is exactly the kind of thing I need.
>>4353376
Oh yeah, I forgot you're only supposed to post direct copies here, sorry. I just thought it was better to post here because I moreso want the recommendations than a critique.

>>4353376
Although thank you for the tip about the nose and mouth! I'm not too worried about making it look like perfect anime, but I am going anime-inspired so it'll help me to be reminded of things like that to watch out for.
But yeah, I need to look at some more anime and manga so I came to ask for recommendations I could study from.

>>4353395
looks a lot better now that you removed the shading below her nose, no such thing as perfect anime anyway, you're close enough

>>4353402
Heh, thanks anon.

>Want to be a good artist
>But I need to give up my mobages and real games
Will it be worth it bros?

What's the difference between ibispaint ad free(8usd purchase) and prime membership(3usd/month)? Seems to be just some filters, fonts, cloud brush, things that can be done on the desktop

(sorry for my english) hi again :), I would very much appreciate if someone wants to give me advice, following the advice of the other anons tried to make the lineart in a bigger resolution and I did a little more face construccion, i hope the face from memory don't look so wonky

>>4353462
Hello there spanish speaking friend. I say you did ok. On your original reference most of the illusion of volume comes from the color, so its natural such illusion is lost if you're doing just the lines. From now on try to use better references and try to implement different line weight on some areas to add more form as in your reference. Keep at it you're doing good!

doing line art fucking sucks ass i'll just color my sketches

>>4353472
You can switch to painting since it involves mostly color theories and occasional hard lines for some parts.

how the fuck is a stylistic device for making anime girls appear autistic actually square eyes? I mean I can see where they're coming from but I wasn't aware manga artists are meme gods
>>4353437
you can come back to it later that will be fucking awesome so yeah for sure do it

Post more studies bros were gonna make it

>>4353501
keep it up anon

>>4352915
teheehee bad and soulless i could do 100x better and easily earn a few thousands a month just thrugh my art if i really wanted to

>>4353501
good work ethic anon. make sure to cycle through different approaches and mediums though.

quick ones

>>4350430
It's hardly a secret that Yoh Oshinari likes Western cartoons and comics too.

>>4354030
That's news to me, my dude. I don't know much about him (as a person, I mean) :)

>>4353376
>This is an anime study thread. Go post in /alt/
What a silly thing to say. You open any manga and you'll get a different style of eyes, nose, mouth and face proportions. How can you say "This isn't anime enough?"

i just do dumb depressed sketches can i post here

>>4353462
You did fine for both, but the original was kind of a messy image to study anyways. I think you should focus on more completed works before you study other artists' sketches. A lot of Japanese artists will just messily construct their sketches and only reference IF they want to finish the drawing, so as a beginner you wouldn't know what parts you should be copying and what parts are mistakes the artists didn't bother to fix.

Anyways, I think you're trying to study the wrong thing about the piece. This piece mostly has soft edged lines with heavy outlines and soft inside lines/also a bit of variation for depth. Take your version's eyelashes, for example. You drew them as basically a hollow object, but really they're a solid, thicker line in the original Also minor thing, but you ended up tilting the head back to being straight up, which arguably takes away from the original charm.

>>4353242

>>4354069
he means this thread is for studies, not original works

>>4353462
Stop studying anime

>Pic related is Cassin from Azur Lane
Any glaring mistakes I'm too /beg/ to see?
Also could you please share with me your tips on how to add more expression to the eyes. They look like dead fish and I'm not really sure if the coloring can fix that.

>>4354327
yeah step one stop drawing anime

>>4354327
eyelids

>>4354348
Good advice, I'm already following it, but you see Valentine's day is comming and my waifu happens to be 2D so there's no choice for me but to draw anime.

>>4352915
Uncanny, soulless eyes

>>4354357
ill make an exception, proceed

>>4354327
the hair needs a more natural flow yours is too stiff and the bottle is too far and why a fucking bottle

I think im gonna make it lads

>>4354796
>self declaring GMI status
NGMI

>>4354327
>Cassin
Based, though I prefer Downes. Problem with drawing either of them though is that fucking design on their shirts which I see you conveniently concealed

>>4354604
>why a fucking bottle
having a cola bottle with her is part of her character design

>>4354796
nnnngmi
>>4354845
nnnnngmi

>>4354327
horrible line quality

>>4354905
nnnnnngmi

What's the perfect final linear art brush size? I feel like I'm making my final outlines too thicc.

why cant i draw the fucking right eye (my right) AT ALL. the shape is impossible for me.

>>4354997
Because you don't understand how eyes work because you only draw anime

>>4355005
ok then help me out

>>4355007
Draw real eyes, faggot.

>>4355007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XJXZUuKb0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5k4141D2o4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_RMzuRg_2E

>>4355020
thanks for the info post your work

>>4355021
better thank you

>>4355025
The function is really important, and also a tip: The shape of the eyelids follow the cornea. Good luck anon have fun draiwng

>>4355005
>>4355020
>anime study general
>"DrAw ReaL eYEs, FaGGot"
Really nigs my nuggies

>>4355032
I'm literally telling him to study, which he clearly needs to do.

>>4355032
You need to understand before you take shortcuts, the hell are you gonna do? Continue to draw symbol eyes?

>>4355034
>>4355038
Post your anime eyes.

>>4355038
i really doubt that any decent sized japanese anime artist sat down and grinded realistic eyes

>>4355041
Obviously. They were born just being able to do it.

>>4355031
i just have such a hard time trying to visualize or even get the shapes correctly. i've tried tracing, studying artists, etc.. It's just so fucking hard visualize the eye and draw its shape correctly. It comes out so bland and lifeless.

>>4355041
fucking bitch, stop trying to justify laziness and learn to draw eyes its not rocket science

>>4355053
It literally is rocket science, you stupid faggot. You can't even explain how to do it.

>>4355055
Keep making imaginary barriers for yourself

>>4355048
You'll get there, don't worry. Maybe you're having a hard time understanding the form, bland and lifeless how?

>>4355080
I don't know man.. I just feel like the drawing's eyes (and most of it) come off bland, and lifeless. The eyes isn't as appealing or exciting, the head shape is odd and the hair is weird. I can't really understand the form of eyes or the hair as well I can for different parts of the body.

>>4351661
is that your drawing anon? It's my favorite out of this thread, very clean and has good gesture.

>>4352915
really cool character design. prolly cool for a game portfolio

>>4355039
heres 5 minutes of me shitting out anime eyes

>>4355082
>>4355098
Here, go study real eyes and understand them well so you can simplify them into anime eyes. also dont draw the eyelids as one line, its composed of multiple lines like in this pic. Hope this helps you anon

>>4355125
cool, thanks. I just don't know how to translate from studying real eyes to anime eyes since they're so radically different in shapes. I'll try too, though. Thank you for the help.

>>4354796
I kinda like this. You should make a comic or animation or something.

>>4354604
Thanks, I knew I fucked up the bottle in some way.

>>4355125
Actually helpful reply
Not like these two faggots
>>4355005
>>4355020

>>4354174

I just wanna draw big titty goth chicks

>>4355255
western as fuck yuck

>>4353470
thanks for the advice anon :D
>>4354161
amazing copy anon :o, thank you for the advice

(sorry for my english) Hi!, today i've tried to apply the advice on line art weight, i still do not understand very well where to put the thicker lines.
I hope you keep giving me such good advice to keep improving my drawings :)

>>4355401
Hello again friend. My advice for today is the following.

If you're doing references of that size might as well also go for drawing the shoulders and hands. Hands are hard to properly pull off and are a key piece in conveying emotions, expressions or actions so all practice you can get regarding hands is good practice that will increase your gains.

You should also try the following. Attempt to do an anime head strictly from imagination. Bear in mind the quality will be lower when compared to your copies, this is normal so don't get discouraged by it. While doing this odds are you will probably find yourself stumped on a lot of places. When this happens you should make a note on what you are struggling with in order to reinforce that later when practicing. Reference is good but if you should alternate reference and imagination practice for a healthy growth.

How does anime cheeks and chin works?

>>4355651
yikes

>>4355401

>>4353443
prime lets you do gradient maps and color leveling which is nice
##i have an APK for free prime for lifetime if you want it on your phone for convenience##

How do I know if I'm actually retarded?
When should I see a doctor?

>>4356495

>>4356495
Now, you seem to be mentally ill if you have to ask such a question.

>>4356495
Posting on /ic/ tends to be a pretty strong indicator.

>>4355842
Lmao nice joke chicken scratches.

>>4356877

>>4355021
>>4355031
>>4355125
Not that anon but thanks a lot for these. It's really helping me get out of my symbol drawing habit. I actually have an idea of where to place the fucking pupils now.

>>4357123
see what happens when you stop drawing anime?

>>4357123
Proof? Draw us a pair of eyes looking up.

>>4357132

>learn loomis proportions
>realize anime has huge heads in comparison to body
How to solve this? How can I be sure my proportions are correct when the head is gigantic in size?

>>4357131
At last I truly see.
>>4357132
Shit dude I'm still /beg/, don't expect anything good.

>>4348796
Those anons are stupid, but you must not have read the sticky if you don't know what fix your lines means. How to improve lineart is right at the beginning, it's the part with the canoe lady? They probably assumed you've seen it already and you should check it out
Notice how shaky they are? They appear unconfident and scratchy. that can be fixed with some trad grinding - draw without using the crutch of an eraser or pencil at all and skip right to pens. For digital, just don't use the undo button.

>>4357399
getting there but you still see them as symbols and dont draw the eye lashes individually, think of them like hair, you dont draw hair strands individually you group them into a cluster or big form

>>4357391
You base everything on the head, doesnt matter if the head is big as long as the everything else is based on that head
>>4348796
>>4348789
fix your lines, they dont show form and it feels like you just traced something

>>4348702
Dumping face studies

>>4357656
lol

>>4357656
I like them all except top left. Good work!

>>4355441
hi! :D, thank you so much for all the good advice today instead of a reference i tried to draw from memory i posted it on /ALT/ >>4355959
thank you anon!, i don't understand very well the english but i'll ask a friend to translate it to me

>>4357700
What is the "Effective Art Study Guide"?

>>4357705
well it's in the start of the threat, is like a rutine of study to expand your visual library and training to drawing from memory

>>4349557
the line connecting the two tits dont need to be there.

>>4348796
It isnt a critique. That is something you should be able to figure out on your own. Do the work yourself. Study pieces you like. See how other artists do linework and emulate it. Everyone has a different style of line art.

I feel like the head is poorly constructed. Look at the difference in space between the eyes and the nose. And the eyes arent even the same size. This is stuff you have to train yourself to fix because its extremely basic.

As for the coloring, your shadows are incredibly splotchy. Perhaps Im retarded but I cant figure out the light source. It looks like the lightsource is directly in front of her but you have shadowed areas that should not have shadow.

In the real world people arent going to hold your hand, they will give their opinion. Learn to criticize your own work before asking for critiques.

>>4357391
It isnt just anime. Proportionally there is a huge difference between children and adults. Loomis isnt a rule, its a guide. Its designed to twist however you need to. He goes over it in 'Fun with a pencil'.

howto poses like this without copying an existing pose?

Left was drawn from ref 6 months ago, right was drawn from the same ref today. Still plenty of mistakes, but I'm happy to see progress.

>>4358910
Anatomy, perspective, fundamentals, Loomis, Robertson, all that jazz.
Seriously, understand the bones and muscles that the human body is made up of, learn how to represent them using 3D solids, rotate and position those solids in space to assemble them into a human.

>>4358949
Good job. I guess /asg/ still has hope.

>>4358910
stop symbol drawing

>>4358949
Just draw is very powerful! Use it wisely

>>4355651
like what you just did

>>4358949
how much have you drawn in between and what stuff exactly

>>4358910
Just copy an existing pose.

>>4359012
I average about 2 hours of drawing a day.
I've been bouncing around drawing different stuff, some copies of anime, some copies of diagrams from anatomy books, recently been doing more figure drawing from imagination.
I think the thing that helped me go from left to right was just pure mileage. Getting better at observation and line control. Whether that mileage came from one subject or another didn't matter much for this particular case.

>>4355082
It's flat nigga learn perspective

:(

>>4359193
same

>>4359106
how long did it take you to do each

>>4359293
New one was about 2 hours. Can't remember for the old one but I'm sure it was faster.

still got a long way to go
left is ~8 months ago

>>4359312
Blog?

new to digital. what's the method/s to get gradients in the hair and skin? on the skin like the shadows of the hair there is still a sharp edge to them even while blending i don't know how to explain.

>>4348702
Post your end goal "I want to be this artist."

>>4359418
marker->blur->change opacity->erase edges

>>4359421
ngmi attitude, I don't want to be anyone but myself, constantly improving

Are we doing this now?
Left is from imagination from today and right is from reference 6 months ago.

Guys can I come back to the discord? I promise there'll be more racist jokes. Fuck that gook

>>4359445
Give me your blog.

>>4359445
What are your pen settings?

how to draw Shibuya Rin?

>>4355172
Shit DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN.

drew these for draw thread on /v/, guess I'll be doing more kemomimis and elves there.

>>4359745

>>4359745
>>4359747
Blog?

>>4359745
and this

>>4359106
I've been shilling mileage incessantly here for weeks, I hope this shows some nonbeliever that sometimes all you need is to FUCKING SIT AND DRAW and the gains will come.

>>4359765
your nonsense is stupid

i wanted to post my progress.
Left is from imagination 7-6 months ago and right is from imagination yesterday. I hope it encourage you to keep going. (sorry for my english)

The coomer in me is wants to break out.

>>4357467
How do you show form with lines?

>>4359872
line weight, overlaps and hatching

>>4359543
It's just the g-pen in csp

>>4349862
I think it highly depends if the other parts of the manga can carry it without really good lineart.
Attack on Titan got really popular and probably has the worst lineart I've seen in a published manga.

>>4352915
The faces that stare straight ahead look a bit off but the faces that look to the side look ok.

>>4355651
i think you should work with the scarf
it makes her neck longer imo

>>4359445
did you do an underdrawing? what resolution too?

thats really nice anon.

>>4360262
No, I don't usually do underdrawings for these kind of doodles, and when I do they're extremely bare bones. I don't think the resolution matters but I use 4-7 px wide brushes.

>>4359773
What'd you do to get to where you're at?

A question from someone that is an absolute beginner (started just a little over a month ago).
Would it harm my progress if I combined regular art theory with the tracing of manga artists that I like to build up muscle memory ?
Asking since the OP has this image https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0 as the first line and I was worried that I'm pushing two opposing forces against eachother while studying regular western art theory.

>>4360372
>tracing of manga
stopped reading right there

NGMI

>>4360485
By tracing I dont mean drawing all the outlines but drawing the forms that would have been used to build the image.
How is the head shaped and how does it connect to the shoulders when a pose is in a certain way.
We all have to start somewhere anon.

I think legs are too long, what do you think ?

>>4360372
I don't think you know what muscle memory means but if you do, go ahead. There's no harm.

>>4360499
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory
>Muscle memory is a form of procedural memory that involves consolidating a specific motor task into memory through repetition, which has been used synonymously with motor learning. When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed with little to no conscious effort.

I'm not quite sure what other term to use honestly.

>>4360506
Exactly. Muscle memory is all about making lines, not what the lines represent, so it doesn't matter if you're tracing manga or western comics or whatever.

>>4360518
Ah I see what you mean. I was afraid that I was using a completely incorrect term somehow.

>>4360491
my general rule is always unless I'm aiming a fashion model look

>>4360372
for your intended purposes, trace the manga and then try to draw it from imagination, as many times as you need for it to be at least decent.

what you want is to engrave into your mind how a good anime looks like, so this is an effective way of doing that.

>>4360553
not imagination, memory**

>>4360372
This explains why most of the anime “artist” here are shit.

>>4360553
>>4360554
>for your intended purposes, trace the manga and then try to draw it from imagination, as many times as you need for it to be at least decent.
Yes this is my intended purpose when doing the exercises.

>>4360488
Don't reply to bait, anon.
Tracing the way you're doing it is one of the fastest ways to improve.
Don't let these tradthots tell you otherwise.

How in the hacking am I suppose to think of a background to draw?

>>4360577
Manga background reference book

>>4360577
have you ever drawn a background before? did you ever study drawing backgrounds? if not, then realize how stupid you sound right now.

>>4360580
Would not recommend, I suggest drawing from real life pictures and landcapes

>>4360583
I can draw basically anything
Thing is I have a hard time thinking of where to place my character, that also fits in with the composition
Any advice?

So why don't you have the Apple iPad Pro yet? It's the only digital device that can draw lineart, accurately and effortlessly, since the digital ink actually comes out exactly from the tip, unlike everything else that just uses decades-outdated wacom garbage.
Look at all your favorite mangaka, they all have the iPad Pro already, and you're just gimping yourself, wasting time on low-quality tools.

>>4360491
flat, no form, random lines, no flow, no gesture, back to fundies

>>4360595
>I can draw basically anything

>>4360491
ugh sweetie pls learn folds, and what the fuck is going on with that arm, the anatomy is a clusterfuck overall tbqhwy

>>4360628
>>4360632
Fuck off

Take care ya'll

>>4360708
Arigatou onee-san

>>4360703

>>4360703

>>4360708
stop chicken scratching

>>4360724
ok

>>4358949
>from ref

>>4357656
Fuck this shit, going outside to do some yard work and decompress

>>4357699
Sorry man, I didn’t even want to try to fix top left

>>4360827
hilariously bad

>>4360828
pyw

>>4360703
They're right though

>>4360836

>>4360878
based mokou man

>>4360632
>>4360628
Hey thanks for advice,I spend like hour to fix it a bit. I'm a just an amateur with tablet that tried to git gud

i fucking hate this place

>>4360916

>>4360708
BMAC out

>>4360629
He never said he can draw anything well.

>>4360595
I recommend you go outside with a smartphone and start taking some photos. Take photos from interesting perspectives. I like to take a walk, take a picture of something interesting, and draw a character in that scene.

Its a good exercise. It is something professionals in the CGI industry do in order to match lighting to their green screen scenes.

few things

How does this brushy kind of painting work? Are they using pressure sensitive opacity?

>>4361351
Same with this one, how do they make value here?

>>4361263
Love those frist 2 but man that sailor moon looks fucking amazing!!

Kepp it going Anon!!

>>4361351
>>4361355
watch speedpaints

>>4361263
Bottom right is Threo?

>Some days drawings come out alright
>Other days its like I totally forgot how to draw
FUCK!

>>4361408
Thanks!

>>4361413
It sure is

>>4361263
Post Brushes, nerd.

>>4361423
All of it is just the G-pen on CSP

>>4361440
did you adjust the settings though? I fucking hate g-pen but I know its just calibrated wrong for me

>>4361510
I don't recall ever changing anything. I actually disliked the G-pen and avoided it for a long time but I came back to it later and started really liking it.

>>4361520
When you do long, smooth strokes, how do you prevent it from tapering too much at the end? That's my issue with it, it makes the line art look ugly. It's probably just because I don't apply enough pressure, but if I apply too much then I can't get a nice smooth line.

>>4361524
Not really sure. Maybe I've been fine with it because I use the pressure hard eraser almost as much as the pen itself. With it I can put down some nasty lines and convert it to pretty okay lines.

Tries drawing "retro" shoujo style. Should I decrease the image quality to make this more "vintage"?

>>4361881
If you make a copy of the lineart layer and put some gaussian blur on that layer you can soften the lineart in a way that makes it look more fitting for that kind of art without reducing the quality.

>>4361884
I'll keep that in mind. Thank you!

>>4361888
I just randomly got informed of that tip like yesterday.
It essentially gives a look to the digital lineart like how it would look if it was drawn on paper, since lineart on paper tends to bleed a bit beyond where the line is drawn compared to pure digital.
The guy that I watched called it a way to make the digital lineart look less sterile if that makes sense.

>>4360827
Digi study attempts

>>4360828
Ha, gotta post it no matter how shit they are

>>4361951
Very cute drawings even if I have no idea what the studies are. Definitely got appeal and anime down.

>>4361953
I just discovered Ataruman

How many images do you guys copy as a practice run a day ? I try to go for a couple of hours every time if I'm able.

Something from imagination, what do you think

>>4362263
>1581391996152s.jpg (7 KB, 250x225)

I want to draw a comic in a style similar to Ping Pong, any tips besides just copy the comic panels & anime frames?

>>4362445
Copy the comic panels & anime frames with the mindset of consciously trying to understand his style. The reason the artist uses this line value or how he draws eyes, mouth and the ways the artist shadow.Study the style and try to replicate it as many times as possible, but being conscious of what you're doing.

does she look 10 to 12 years old? loli experts pls halp

>>4362445
Ping Pongs style only works because it's in motion

>>4362503
I think the neck is too thick. I'd also enlarge the eyes (lolis/kids tend to have real big eyes whilst adults medium to smaller eyes).
Also the skin color looks a bit unnatural but that's just me being nitpicky.
Overall, i'd say it's pretty good. Good job Anon, onto the next piece!

NSFW pose and lightning study.

https://twitter.com/shirabii/status/1227267751313457154?s=20
how do they do it bros

>>4362521

>>4362520
For the record, yes i did trace the original pic (no shame on it tho, study purposes) but tried to understand each part as if it was in a 3rd dimensional space.

>>4362505
Are there any manga with a similar sketchy realistic style?

>>4362561
Yes, it's called Ping Pong.

>>4362503
I'd say it's pretty good, she does look like she's mid teens rather than 12 tough.
Check Rustles art to see how loli's should look.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=rustle

>>4362521
>Studied Arts
>Works on animations for a living
>Been an OC Designer for a couple anime
>Has an art circle
Good life decisions anon.

Do you guys have a specific goal in mind when learning manga styled art ?
I want to learn it to make my own eroges.

>>4361263
>tfw i'm too stupid to draw granblue eyes

How big of difference is CSP's G-pen compared to Photoshop's pressure brush?

Currently using photoshop and I find it really hard to make neat lines, but don't have that problem on paper.

I still /beg/ af but can afford CSP EX if it's a worthy investment.

bump

>>4362943
>I still /beg/ af but can afford CSP EX if it's a worthy investment.
I discussed the different between EX and PRO with some people that liked it and the only notable difference is if you want to make animations in CSP.
Pro is plenty if all you want to do is illustrations and it's a lot cheaper (especially on sale when its $25).

>>4362954
Oh okay cool. So you can still adjust line thickness and stuff in PRO? I'lll take a look at the differences and will download the trial today and see if I like it.

Looks like you can upgrade from PRO -> EX later anyway if it's needed.

>>4362967
Yeah, just get pro, see if it fits your needs and otherwise you can just upgrade to EX if needed.
I think the only difference was the animation stuff but check it just in case.

>>4362520
Update:
Trace - Drawn from reference - Ref

Where to begin studying such beautiful but complex piece like this one?

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