/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

hi /ic, i need critique on my values, how can i improve my edgework efficient? Thanks in regard, may God be with ya'll

>>4352533
cute

>>4352554
too much information in the darks. the eyes just look weird because of this. dark is no light, light is information.

>>4352554

the fastest way is to compare to your ref. so post ref so we can point out what you don't see.

I like to draw dead people
Anyone know any resources specifically for that? Or is it just going to be a matter of really diving into anatomy and figuring out how decay effects it?

>>4352594
Thanks will keep that in mind!
>>4352621
sry here:

>>4352454
>>4352466
Yeah, feet are difficult for me, but I can get them to look good sometimes, like in this drawing I did.

>>4352630
Study the skeleton and the muscles underneath + where they connect - they don'thave to be 100% accurate but atleast believable - if you practice on that your dead people will look much more believable and "alive"learn about construction and putting basic forms in perspective

will drawing on a tablet exclusively have any negative drawbacks? I've got a wacom tablet since ages but I don't want to go outside and buy physical supplies.

>>4352644
did you?

>>4352660
you might be somewhat worse at trad but no the fundamental skills are the same

>>4352660

Sort of, but the benefits you get from quality practice even in digital will vastly outweigh the negatives that relying on tools like undo, liquify, or lasso might bring. I’d say spend some time to draw traditionally from time to time, it will always help, but digital is perfectly fine for improving.

>>4352688
>>4352692
that's kind of the response I was expecting. I would definitely abuse undo but liquify and lasso seems like straight up cheating. Thank you for the responses.

>>4352704
>seems like straight up cheating
Cheating what and who? You're just using the tools at your disposal. It's not cheating whatsoever

>>4352704
Lasso and Liquify is basically erasing and redrawing with less steps. It’s still your hands making the forms and your eyes making the judgement, it’s not like these tools will magically make a bad artist into a great one.

>>4352533
Cool swamp dragon

My nigs, can you rec some books/resources for cartoony stuff? I've bought Preston Blair Animation and Fun With a Pencil. Anything else worth checking?

>>4352533
Far from done but I think much improved from how it looked yesterday.

Been working on some "human holding tiny dinosaur" ideas as I've been working a bit at drawing humans. Hoping to put together something finished by Sunday evening so I can feel good about not just "sketching"

Exercises

>>4352762
http://johnkcurriculum.blogspot.com/

I like her now, but I don't know much about the perspective to draw a setting.
She's supposed to be in the middle of the street or something and I thought of drawing buildings on the sides.

Would this be ok? I can't commit to detailing the buildings yet

following the advice of the guy in the last thread
i want to do stuff like pic related what do i need to do? heres my work:https://dad.gallery/users/1731

>>4353116
Whats the source of the upper right panel?

heres something out of my comfort zone

>>4353206
This looks nice to me. I just think you really need to clean your lines up and use significantly less than you did here, be more confident

>>4352533
traced over a pen drawing w/ a mouse

mistakes aside, is there anything appealing about this at all? i know its simple but im trying to stylize after grinding figures for forever and im not sure if this is a good direction to go in

>>4353235
this was the original i made in pen.

>>4353206
her right hand isn't correkt..where torso meets hip on the left side there is kinda jank,arm positions kinda wrong...idk lil things all ver the place like that. definitely on the right track but u didnt really capture energy of the reference

What could i do better on this big tiddy kasen

>>4352644
If not for your filename and the tattoo I would have never realized you was drawing someone from fairy tail.

Anatomy aside, I thought the fairy tail/wan piss style face is easy to replicate, did you have reference of the character next to you when you were drawing it or are you deliberately trying to draw from imagination?

>>4353233
The perspective on the iceberg or the penguins is wrong. The penguins look like we're looking at them dead-on, but it seems like we're looking at the iceberg from way above it. You'll need to decide which angle you want your viewer to be looking at the scene, and then match everything. Either show us the tops of the penguins' heads and happy feet, or show us the side of the iceberg and no (or very little) top.

>>4353278
I just realized I did the perspective of the top of the iceberg wrong. The lines should be converging going away from the viewer not the other way around. I'll just kms, I guess.

>>4353234
>be more confident
not the same anon but how does one become confident?
I always see my art as a piece of shit and lines becomes wonky

>>4353278
Alright. Thanks for the input. I'll draw again tomorrow.

Holee fuk i think i just hit a break through
proko-sama...I kneel...

This is my current art. I’m looking to improve. What should I work on first?

>>4352533

>>4353397
unironically the stickie

all from imagination and little bit of reference
shit i'm doing this shit for 3 month

>>4353086
Well, the perspective's wrong. The lines at bottom left are the most obvious, they're converging at a point that's nowhere near the horizon.

>>4353235
>traced over a pen drawing w/ a mouse
Why?

>>4353422
What's with the lines? Are you drawing this on an etch-a-sketch?
I feel like the figures are decent, but the weird jagged chickenscratch really detracts from them.

>>4353116
study anatomy, comics, someone like leyendecker, and hatch

you could start by copying anything you posted here

Polished it a little more. I'm struggling a lot with rendering, and I keep looking at the reference I used for literally everything except the head.
Pls crit

>>4353398
Are the pockets supposed to be on the front/inside of the legs?

>>4353613
No I was just drawing way too late and was way too tired to realize. I'm going to be trying to fix it and the fucked up boobs later today

shoutout to based vandruff. i feel like i finally understand so many things after watching his perspective class

>made a mental breakthrough in terms of drawing
We can all make it guys, any style you want is reachable, there is no talent!

How viable is tracing as practice?

To be clear, I don't mean tracing a picture once and going "Look at what I traced" but, say tracing a picture a bunch of times, to get cleaner lines, a better understanding of the artists mind and muscle memory?

>>4353723
after years of practicing you will find out that talent actually exists and you will never make it.

>>4353139
rip kirby 026 calendar girl
>>4353510
ok sir

why does the reference look like the camera is far below but mine just looks like the camera is straight on?

>>4353757
Because you drew it wrong.

>>4353765
well yeah but how? i cant see the issue

>>4353757
Overlay your pic onto the ref
Resize and reposition so the heads match up
See where you went wrong

>>4353757
i'm beg but to me it looks like the whole upset body + head area isn't foreshortened properly so it doesn't look like it's going away from you in space

* upper body

>>4353769
do you know of any free software i can do this with? i never do online drawing i just draw on my paper

>>4353397
learn to draw confident lines, no "hairy" lines.

>>4353775
Any program with layers and transparency
GIMP is free, are any of the others? Sai or Krita? CSP?

>>4353779
gimp looks good thank you bro

>>4353757
you really should start drawing simpler objects before trying to draw figures.There is no foreshortening in the image you're drawing.you're drawing a head on top of a neck on top of a torso because instead of drawing what you're seeing you're drawing what your mind is telling you.Pick up easier subjects like fruits or a mug and try and draw exactly what you're seeing. take measurements and double check and if something is off fix it until it looks exactly like what you're seeing.

>>4353294
do line exercises https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas

Should I learn the head before learning the figure?
If yes, how well should I be able to draw the head before moving on to figure?

Any tips on curbing perfectionism when drawing?
I spend more time erasing than I do drawing since my autism demands each line to be perfect, but this just results in chicken scratch and smudges. I take hours for one face and it's hindering my progress.

what's off? i know these lips are gonna be a pain too, how do i make them look shiny and fat

>>4353929

>>4353929
nice nose

>>4353778
I don’t know how to draw confident lines (especially in sketches) and I don’t know how to fix it

Should I practice figure drawing before perspective or perspective before figure drawing?

How the fuck do you draw hair

>>4354108
One strand at a time, of course.

>>4353992
thank you brother!

>>4354108
just draw baldies

>>4354131
But I want to draw hair

>>4354134
u can still draw the pubes, long straight pubes

>>4354077
you should have an understanding of perspective before tacking figure drawing
read perspective made easy

Why the fuck is hair so hard to draw

>>4354152
Because you aren’t supposed to draw hair with lines

any feedback on this?

>>4354159
How are you supposed to draw hair?

>>4354152
draw hair in chunks of large forms, not individual strands. kind of like a cracked helmet

Alright, so how do I do? Is it shit and how is it shit? What do I need to work on?

>>4354164
stop drawing black people

>>4354164
I get the idea of extreme contrast but CHILL THE FUCK OUT WITH THAT WHITE THERE. Also the red on the left side of the face needs to either dumb down or be removed completely.

damn, i didnt know that drawing muscular people is so fucking nice and pleasant

AHH FUCK FABRIC WHAT THE FUCK

first time
just got an xpen star 03

>>4354263
just did this too

>>4354279
i really REALLY like this duck

>>4354204
thanks for the feedback, but what do you mean with dumb down?

>>4354164
this is the ref btw

how do you guys lay out your flats?

>>4354285
just trying to get my feel for this thing

>>4354206
>didn't draw his dick

>>4353929
>>4353931
Imo looks like the perspective is off. Viewer in ref is looking down on her but yours appears to be more straight on, which makes the features, while in proportion with the picture, appear to be skewed/off

>>4354344
Your faces are all really unappealing. Maybe it's the nose, I honestly don't know. You gotta work on it though.

>>4354323
was a vagina

>>4354346
i wanted to try to make them look like classical statues
have I failed or are the statues features ugly?
if I failed, how can I improve this and also pls some artist examples that do this

>>4354286
Tone it down a little

>>4354352
the neck is a little too long/thin

>>4354352

you're trying to put a man face on a woman body. a woman face is much more rounder. here's an idea. try to combine both. look for what you like in both type of face and design a new one.

>>4354352
>>4354367

I don't know if it's a man or woman statue but the features does look manly from that angle.

Help.

>>4354369
You should also get some glasses, because that's a woman.

>>4354388

well technically it's statue and the features are manly. very sharp and angular from that angle. you shouldn't see things a certain way just because it's labelled man/woman. just analyze how it looks like. use your "artist" eyes.

>>4353237
Oi Josuke, I used za hando to erase your facial features. Aint' it just crazy?

>>4354373
Just reduce the opacity of ref and trace over it. Plus you’ll get bonus XP for getting down body parts so you can draw from imagination

>>4354373
Break it down into smaller pieces. Draw a leg. Zoom in. Get as much detail copied as you can, then do it again just drawing from ref then do it again without ref. Do that for each part, then draw the whole person from ref, then memory. You're welcome.

>>4354344
your girls are very cute

>>4354352
That's not a classical statue, that looks like something from the 1800s-1900s. That's almost contemporary.

where can i learn how to draw from life using construction/'draw through' methods? i'm absolute beg and i don't mind drawing more mundane things from life before figure and stuff like that, but i don't feel like i would learn a lot from just copying the contours of what i see

ok I tried sth else

>>4354407
Hair is female, nose is female, eyebrows look female, lips look female, eyes look female
I have no idea what you're looking at.

Lost my sculptural sense of the head here

>>4354373
Do i see a korean girl ? Thats very cool anon i have been studying asian girls recently, cant lie they are super cute.

Why my figures still shit

>>4354344
Her face looks totally fine. It just a matter of taste.

>>4354484

stay in /beg/

>>4354193
There are several issues, but I gotta say I like the atmosphere you're conveying here. It reminds me of a certain type of Christmas card.
But yeah, first off, the linework's kinda shit. Are you still working on it? You should. The houses aren't straight, the closest trees are sloppy, the water's not colored inside the lines. Some things, like the house walls and the hillside, don't have any texture.
Light source is inconsistent. Most trees look like they're lit from the side, from the right on the left and vice versa. Is it supposed to be the five huge star crosses? If so, all trees should be lit from the behind. And speaking of light, the huge planet should probably be brighter and have a much sharper shadow on it. High contrast, like how the Moon looks when it's not full. There is no ambient light in space.
The colors are really overdoing it. I do like the overall effect, but it's still too bright. Also, if that pink flower is supposed to be important, it should be more central to the composition, and if not, it probably shouldn't be so pink.
The perspective's wrong too, the closer trees are too small and the far ones too big.

>>4354416
Tracing doesn't sound very beneficial

>>4354424
I usually draw pretty zoomed out. I will try this same pic again tonight zooming more to hammer out the details. Thanks for the tip.

>>4354501
I just like drawing cute girls, idc what race they are.

>>4354323
But if you draw dicks, you turn gay. Look at what happened to the Greeks.

>>4354539
>inserts thumbs up in approval
Thanks Anon. Will put into consideration

I think I'm gonna try to cel shade my art instead of doing full rendering

>>4354478
the old face was better, not sure why people disliked it. I remember your art from the last thread too, that one also had a great face imo.

>>4353757
try using a simpler ref image and look up "drawing upside down" exercises, it forces you to draw what you actually see instead of drawing what you think you see (which is what I think you did)

trying to get into colors. it is hard to render form when the color changes subtly

>>4354593
Try doing values first then just use a multiply layer for the color afterwards

i made short comic
i know it's shit i'm just making something everyday that's the all thing i do

i don't have plan to make money with art now

>>4354662
I'm avoiding doing that. I've seen so many digital artists that do that and their colors are garbage and look like mud. I think it is important to have color in mind from the beginning of that painting. Physical painters someitmes do a monochrome under paint usually in red though, so I might try that out, but layering color on greyscale always looks bad to me.

>>4354678
Marco bucci even made a video on why you shouldn’t do that. It’s important to get values down at our stage so if you really insist on greyscale, you can do greyscale first then save the image and use it as a reference while doing color instead of just adding color on top of greyscale

I'd like to get some criticism/advice on coloring and shading mainly.

I'm really new at this thing, and I'd like my art to be less "muddy".

>>4354698
>Coloring
What the fuck Anon? Those colors are SOUL: the definition, unless you want a more realistic look. I personally like “more cartoony” color palettes
>Shading
Look for your light source. Make one. Shit that faces the light source, color them brighter. Shit that faces away from it, make them darker. NOTE: if you’re/beg/ don’t have more than one light source. You will fuck yourself royally if you do.

>>4354698
Stop pillow shading; learn some values, practice in black and white and try to place a light source.

>>4353899
well, idk how it would work out for you because im not autistic but i suggest challenging yourself to not using an eraser on drawings. if you make a mistake, go with it. go crazy, have fun. do little doodles. idk how your autism works, but it seems to me that people with autism, when they put their mind to it they can become amazing at drawing, which i think is really cool. good luck, and try your best to loosen up :)

am I going to make it?

>>4354478
the first face was better. i believe in you asukaposter, if you keep going ur gmi

>>4354745
Thanks! Yeah, I have trouble with light sources. I will make sure to focus on that.

>>4354747
What is pillow shading exactly? And yes, I have almost zero clue about values, so thanks for the tip.

>>4354757
damn cool designs, gmi if u keep working on ur basics. keep going, learn perspective and forms

>>4354762
non anon ur replying to but pillow shading is when one shades all over the outside of the form. like if you shade a sphere but you only shaded near the edges. it looks bad but ur art cute

>>4354769
That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I was thinking about that myself that shading this way is incorrect. Will change that next time, thanks.

My biggest goal is to make a comic. I drew this pic from imagination with no reference, from a new pair of eyes what is glaringly wrong that I should work on?

kinda /alt/ stuff, but this style is so much more relaxing to draw with

>>4354830
Perspective is fucked as is the anatomy.

>>4354832
>>4354848
I don't like the color.

>>4352844
I fucked up the lines. I drew so much of it on the same layer as the background. And then instead of just starting over from scratch I wasted like an hour figuring out how to salvage it, and most of it looks like shit. But, whatever.

>>4354501
>>4354478
How the fuck are these people beginners?

>>4354869
Because either you know what you don't know and try to learn it or you don't even know what you don't know and don't even realize it.

>>4354852

How about this one? any advice on picking color schemes?

>>4354869
I agree, they're probably more intermediates than beginners, but being /beg/ is a state of mind. If you get an inflated ego you'll never improve.

>>4354874
I like this a lot better. The other pic had too many saturated colors. My advice is to use high saturated colors as sparingly as possible.

>draw picture
>think drawing is pretty alright
>come to /beg/
>all the art here is a hundred times better than mine
>feel demoralized again

How do I escape this cycle?

>>4354879
Try and draw a better pic than the day before. That's what I do.
I drew >>4354830 btw.

>>4354879
Comparing is the greatest taker of joy. Post your art and dont be afraid of critique,
Pic related is when I first posted on here and this is what advice I got. it did help alot see >>4354757 when compared to dec 25

>>4354884
Pic related is what I posted on dec 25th

the main dude, a CIA spook with a big dick.

>>4354876
interesting! that earlier pic originally had a lower saturation color scheme before i decided to bump up the saturation to make things 'pop' a bit more. thanks for the advice!

>>4354884
We're all gonna die and be dirt someday so the idea that "Oh no! Jumju Nippon Kawasaki draws better than me, I should stop drawing 5eva," is stupid.Draw as good as you can and draw more of what you want to see drawn, not what is popular.

>>4354879
Just post it. I've posted art here that is completely fucking hideous but it's all in the name of improvement.

Another day of figures and stuff

>>4354894
Do you have a "trapping fat man in boxes" fetish?

>>4354900
No I just enjoy drawing men of all sized because of their delicious juicy forms. This particular model was obese and had a hank hill ass.

>>4354903
>juicy forms

Why is this pose so hard??

Is it the foreshortening? the thighs? the pink?

>>4354903
Wouldn’t you just love having a man in, not a cage but what you put lizards in with the transparent glass. And feed him burgers when he misbehaves and celery when he acts sweet.

>>4354920
Look at the feet in the photo and the ones you drew

>>4354927
That's...literally what i've been doing for the past hour..and yet I don't seem to understand where to begin that pose!

>>4354921
If he held conversations with me frequently, I wouldn't mind.

I know I'm not supposed to expect some immediate leap because that's unrealistic and stupid, but I've been doing Loomis exercises and gesture drawing stuff for about a week and I can't feel even the slightest tangible increase in my ability to do things. I can draw a bunch of boxes and spheres with axis but I can't apply this to drawings without screwing everything up.

But more importantly I can't even tell if I'm doing the gesture drawings correctly. Practice is neat but I feel directionless as a newbie. Am I supposed to draw the skeleton beneath the figures? It's really hard to feel motivated when I'm not even 100% sure if I'm learning the right way. How hard should I be thinking when I do these? What should I be thinking about?

>>4354940
>>4354894
The picture in my post is about a bit more than 1 month progress of Figure drawing. I'm not amazing by any stretch but I made a lot of progress when I sat down and spent 20-30 minutes drawing out a figure, exactly like how its shown in my ref. I also have pretty good background knowledge of anatomy from 3D. I think quality is better than quantity in some cases.

>>4354424
Re-drew it with your advice in mind. It may have turned out slightly better? I'm not entirely sure. If anything, it felt more comfortable to zoom in and do it in chunks instead of leaving the canvas zoomed out to like 33%. Her legs definitely turned out a bit chonky.

i just can't do it anymore sorry, i'm losing my health

i I barely eat food for seven days

>>4354920
Update

Shit's impossible ;-;

>>4355014
This is what you get for being a coomer

>>4355024
I would really apreciate some actual feedback

>>4355014
What don't you like about it in particular? It's obvious you aren't going for 100% realism, and the pose looks pretty adequate for what you're doing. I'd be more concerned with her deflated looking boob.

>>4355030
Thanks for that last one!
My concern comes from the foreshortening part of the torso with the butt

>>4355036
Forgive me, I am /beg/ as fuck, but I tried to adjust the positioning of her ass/arm a bit. Does this look any better to you?

>>4355014
Post a larger, unobstructed version of the picture reference you're using for the pose, or post a link to it if you don't mind. It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks as though you're misinterpreting her left foot: the part you're drawing as the heel appears to be the front of her foot (the large swath of blue is the side of the toebox of the shoe, the sliver of beige is the sole of the shoe). The feet/lower legs in general need to be repositioned: if you change the position of the left foot so that the lower left calf/heel are hidden by the right calf, and use the same positioning of the left leg that you use in your first pink sketch it'll be closer to the reference, though I don't know if that's what you're after. At the least, fix the angle of the left foot.

>>4354940
Go do some research.
Start by looking for "vilppu demo" on youtube.

>>4355014
i need the middle pic anon

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>>4354830

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81GbDYoZPMc

>>4355269
I love you, fuck the haters. I appreciate what you do.

>>4355275
Thanks my dude, if you have an art channel, if you are in Singapore, want to do some art jam, dm me at my instagram @tbho

>>4355283
i hate you, kill yourself, you provide no service. if i see you in singapore im going to punch you in the head

>>4355292
Lmao I swear, if you punched me I'll kill you.

>>4355269
ty anon

Kid inside an egg ready to hatch, how Is the overall sketch?

really need some guidance with >>4354475 please help me bros

>>4355338
Set up a table, get a light source, sit at a fix position, draw with pencil on paper.

>>4355350
bruh that is what i've been DOING, but i've just been copying based on the contours of what i see. how do i learn how to properly bring construction/form into it?

>>4355361
use charcoal, draw perspective lines, for both the table and the subject.

>>4355269
When do you usually make the videos? after a certain image count or day after a new /beg/ thread? I prefer someone who actually talks when doings critiques.

How am i supposed to draw the gesture when over half of her body is covered in clothes? Do i just guess what’s underneath?

>>4355469
In this scenario, would i draw the legs underneath or draw the fabric that’s covering her lower body?

>>4355336
Ok in general but it needs way more detail, it seems extremely flat

>>4354757
I like it, your pencilwork looks pretty clean and the shading is good. Good detail on those creatures.

>>4355104
adorable koi

>>4355104
I like this one except for the right leg which is out of proportion. You have a pretty good and recognizable style though, keep it up

>>4355469
I'd draw the basic shape of the legs and draw the cloth over that.

can anyone recommend some good video courses?
trying to stack a bunch of them for later use

hey guys, i've been trying sketchbook on my tablet and i really dig this blending mode called glow. anyone knows how to achieve this in photoshop or clip studio?

>>4355516
You mean something like this that i drew in 15 seconds? Are there ways i can draw the clothes better? Should i just ignore the legs and draw the clothes outline only?

>>4352533
Does anyone else have difficulties starting out to draw? There is a kind of angst beginning for me. Is it just a matter of sitting down and doing it?

>>4355522
how about you just go through the layer options? clip has quite literally "add glow" and i'm pretty sure in ps it's called "luminecence" or some shit
literally just play around and explore, seems to work with sketchbook

>>4354593
cute bird

okay i dont know how well this came out

>>4354867
wip

When gesture drawing and they’re wearing a lot of clothes, is it okay to just image them nude and use that as the reference without the clothes?

>>4355269
BASED

>>4355443
Everyday. Hahaha

>>4355525
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>>4355469
I think i understand now. I draw the clothes but don’t draw the legs covered by the clothes because it’s the clothing that makes up the outline. Does anyone disagree with that?

>>4355535
>>4355522

Oh yeah, I ended up doing some comparisons.
Photoshop doesn't have a similar preset but im pretty sure it can be achieved by duplicating and combining. Krita had the most modes, really cool.

>>4354875
>>4354869
>>4354872


My work which is >>4354501
Is something im new to, i usually draw stylized anime faces, but i adore styles closer to real life too so i tried practicing it a bit.
I still make many mistakes which im trying to fix and you can even see that in that work

My lineart is pretty good but for the 4 years that I've been drawing I've completely neglected coloring. Where do I start?

>>4355632
>My lineart is pretty good
please post one

Picked up the pen today, complete beginner. Trying my best not to erase and be confident in my lines too. I did the second exercise in Keys to drawing and it feels good really.

>>4355783

it's okay for a complete beginner, I've seen worse and just remember though you've got a good 6 years until you'll really master drawing the hand. The road is long for sure, but you're already showing talent so you're already set off on the road.

>>4354920
>>4355014
In my opinion there's nothing worse than fanart of forcing a character that's drawn nowhere near realistically onto a realistic-esque body+the underlip bite.

Suck at faces, please help.

cactus

>>4355822
you suck at everything.

>>4355850
Not really lol
Care to help with some constructive feedback please?

>>4355853
Why dont you trace instead if you don't know anything about figure drawing

>>4355860
I do know but this pose seems to be ridiculously hard for some reason :(

>>4355853
>Not really lol
Why ask for feedback if you're so sure about your skill?

>>4355862
It's better to admit and accept it than blaming the pose. just look at the propotions/anatomy and ask yourself if it's fine

>>4355866
The fact that I'm confident about my drawing skills doesn't mean I can't ask for help in a difficult piece when needed. Feedback is ALWAYS required to improve more and more.

>>4355870
What I mean is, how do you start a pose like that?
With so much foreshortening?

>>4355875
You start either with tracing or learning how to figure draw.

Why is this thread so dead?
Up you go!

Started this in my design class yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B38eJ9-2oa0

instrumental
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B38eJ9-2oa0

I'm working through the NMA vilppu vids, but I'm feeling a little lost. These are from imagination.

>>4355960
Do whole figures.

>>4355960
try working vertically, even if you do less figures

pls critique, it looks off but i dont know what do i need to change

>>4356114
Work on proportions - the arms and legs are drawn very flat and have no *perspective/form* in it. It seems like you just drew the contour of something.

>>4356031
I prop a clipboard on a desk and draw on it angled, but I'll experiment with vertical drawing at a later date.

>>4355979
Its difficult for me, and I didn't quite draw full figures here either. I don't know how to understand the forms, if that makes sense.

>>4356117
yes, you're right about them looking flat. How do I make limbs look less flat in this position?
i slightly edited the shoulder, do you think this looks better?

>>4356135
two big problems that stand out to me is that the different forms/appendages are out of perspective with each other and that there is no gesture; look at something like hampton's or vilppu's gesture method and it shows the importance for long structural, curved lines that make the pose look natural

fun!

guess I'll try the gator too. trying to learn to draw with shapes and forms instead of trying to just copy the lines. no idea what I'm doing lmao

>>4356288
out

>>4352621
dont be too fixated on the ref and likeness of the portrait. thats what people usually critique on here, but it wont help you. your mistake is not looking for the shadow/light-shapes. look at image related and you can see how clear the information is presented. your picture is muddy and confusing.

>>4356336
>>4352554
>>4352621

oops

Why is Erik Olson's perspective series so long? Is he just slow as fuck or is he teaching beyond what other people are?

>>4356288
cute

>>4356348
Watch Marshall's perspective series. It is unanimously agreed upon to be the best one for /beg/s.

>>4353929
watch prokos face construction series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9LOUHmPhS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOldLWIDSM
etc

>>4356370
I actually am. I was just wondering if I would miss anything if I didn't bother watching Olson's as well.

Here we go.
First time reading and applying Loomis

>>4356348
I just finished chapter 5. He goes through the same concepts multiple times, that makes it easy to remember stuff. So yeah, he's quite slow but it's not necessarily a bad thing if that's what you're looking for, I usually watch the videos at 1.25x speed.
His explanations are pretty good though, not sure if Marshall's series is better. If you're going to pirate you should give the series a try imo.

>>4356288
Blog?

Havent drawn characters in yrs and figured I'd start off just having fun making doodles of characters and such
I've been playing alot of Sekiro and Jedi so alot of my doodles are characters based around that or similar subject matter

Didnt really take it seriously just more of a fun way to blow off steam and have fun, but have been slowly wanting to get better at poses and action shots for when I make more dynamic doodles etc.

(I know I suck, I get it)

>>4354478
just adding on another agreement that the first face was better and perfectly fine, new one looks like pic related and generally just animu instead of distinct like the OG. Fags just don't like sharp features on chicks and think it's an objective flaw like it never happens IRL.

trying

>>4356643
the model looks like a bad drawing. weird collar bone, ugly nipples, every facial feature is weird and looks painted on.fat arms and legs, even fat hands, but washboard abs? get a better ref. if thats not bad photoshop, its bad plastic surgery and makeup.

>>4354478
i like it but i liked your old one too, but i want you to finish a drawing. clean it up and render.

>>4356675
>polish the turd anon c'mon

>>4354206
best part is the hands. nothing else is any good. whats the point of constructing a head if youre gonna just put it at the wrong angle? on the one hand it looks like you used some construction that you drew lightly and maybe erased, but then... the lines you drew over it are all scratchy anyway, so i dont see the point. and also looking at those hip bones... you dontunderstand what you're drawing. it looks like one line that goes down from his back muscles, his waist, no hips, bno ass, down to his leg. like a blow up doll that you painted abs on.

you need to learn to construct a body. torso pelvis, hip bones, leg bones, ass, rib cage. do not simply copy.

>>4355269
Thanks Happy Chinese Man. We rike you.

finished it
please bully

>>4356718
>please bully
It sucks

>>4355014

i think you need to take the time to really work out where the rib cage and pelvis are in relation to each other in perspective; they're super important on getting the structure of the torso right.

watch proko's video on beans etc.

here's my half-assed attempt, it's a tricky pose because of how her lean foreshortens her lower back (and i'm not the best), but hopefully you get the gist of what i mean

How do you manage to go cartoonish while still keeping proportion and a sense of realism?

just had fun drawing, we're all going to make it!

lerning

>>4356721
Thanks senpai

>>4356746
what

>>4356670

virgin

>>4356824
hands

For as long as I can remember I doodled constantly, just freehand imagination stuff. I am really trying to actually learn properly with discipline now but I haven't been drawing period for a while, anything to say about pic?

>>4356923
and here is my reference. Of course I will be doing the body as well but I am not finished.

>>4356746
>>4356878
Don't be a retard next time and don't upload an image like that with transparency. Add a fucking background.

>>4356977
I'm a newfag here to this board.
Been on other boards for years though

>>4356288
loving the "posting my pro work on /beg/" meme

>>4356989
I mean, that's nice, but doesn't really have much to do with what I said. Don't make assumptions about how people will be viewing your work. Leaving all the fucking transparency in is making a fairly large assumption about what kind of background it will be viewed against.
I don't know about that other anon, but the image here on the left is what I see when I open it in my browser. I had no clue what the fuck I was looking at. The middle is what it looks like when opened with an image viewer. It looks slightly more hand-like and some of the details are a little more visible I guess, but it still looks like shit. The one on the right is with a white background added, which is I assume how it is supposed to look.
You presumably want people to see the same thing when they look at your work as you see, so add a fucking background to it.

Lads, I've been drawing for one week now and all of the best stuff I can draw is completely at random with thoughtless sketching. When I try to do serious construction it ends up badly. Is this normal at this stage + how to fix it?

>>4355543
HAR, if you're watching, you told me to fix the face before I color. I predict you'll say I should have shaded it in black and white before I colored or at least that's what I think I should have done. Needs shadows in the hair,on the floor and a background. And I'm sorry about that fucked up hand. I fixed it, I just exported this file before I did that. It'll be better in the next update.

Did these with no reference and construction. I know I should've used construction, but I've been grinding heads for two months now and this is what I can do. Any advice you guys can give me?

>>4357078
Do serious fundamental exercises to increase your knowledge at the ground level or you will improve very, very slowly if ever. I don't mean this as an insult but I guarantee your random thoughtless sketching from imagination looks terrible if you try any full-body subject, particularly in any position but standing still.

>>4357142
My thoughts are that you should practice with references and keep grinding construction. It could certainly be worse but all of those heads are very disproportionate and not properly in perspective. Also really try to kick the chicken-scratching habit (going over your lines sketchy and scribbly like that) work on more confident linework.

>>4355871
Youre posting in /beg/. Confidence is good but have some humility, yes it does look like shit. Learn to accept that though.

Can someone explain to me what the fuck I'm supposed to be getting out of Loomis' intro book? This is such an unnatural way of drawing, and I get that his whole point is to devolve everything to shapes, but I can barely do that properly and its fucking pissing me off. I can draw a circle okay, simple shit, but we're getting dangerously close to "draw the rest of the fucking owl" territory with some of these examples. The ear shape is a good example of this. It's not a standard shape, but rather complex for someone like me whose only experience in drawing was shitty lopsided stick figures in elementary school. Andrew Loomis, I am not having fun :(

>>4357261
Fun with a pencil is meme, if you gonna do Loomis, try any other of his books

>>4355269
wow this is new, I havent gone around /ic/ unless I need it but thanks for making things fun.

>>4357273
Seeing as how it's the recommended book in the sticky, I'm gonna wait for confirmation on that one before I believe it.

>>4357070
- will remember for next time
thanks

Very cute gators in this thread.
[spoiler]I STARTED CHICKEN SCRATCHING AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T BEFORE

>>4357311
I forgot spoilers don't work on this board
I'm ngmi

I'm struggling with giving that arm pointing towards you depth. Also does the leg positioning make sense?

>>4355269
I don't give consent for you to use my artwork in your video. Please remove it
>>4353545

>>4357353
I really doubt he's gonna listen anon

Okay, this "draw in one stroke" idea is slowly sinking in. The first pass is still scratch-heavy, and I still have very little idea of anatomy, but it's becoming possible to refine things in a few steps.

I think I should practice some gesture, everything I draw seems to converge into this single pose. Also hands, the lower torso and legs, plus clothing which is already on the bucket list.

>>4357382
Hips wider,

Is buying a skull worth it when I'm trying to learn the head?

>>4357088
How's the gun supposed to work? There's only two barrels at the very front, so what are all the pipes for?

Reference: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1I91DuAu4-4/maxresdefault.jpg

Ive tried drawing a few model poses and im never able to do the cloth and faces properly. Are those details i should handle further down the road?

>>4357599
Oops

it feels off, why?

>>4357643
figured the spine was horribly dislocated, it looks better now

Should I continue learning Krita or switch to pirated photoshop?
Will there be any consequences if I start making money with that pirated photoshop?

>>4357809
What's wrong with krita?

>>4357526
the honest answer is obviously i just didnt think it through that far. i just wanted to switch it up a bit. having 2 thicker pipes looked better than having 5 think pipes throughout the whole thing. contrast, thats it really. but i guess if i had to defend it, it does look like a gatling gun, but maybe it works more like a shotgun, 2 bullets at a time, and the rotation is just like a quick automatic reload or something. or maybe it fires 1 bullet and 1 laser. idk m8.

>>4357816
Nothing, but I saw some people on /ic/ who disliked it. So far I had no issues with it

>>4357816
>>4357826
Free software has an unfortunate reputation for being inferior to proprietary software. Krita is genuinely a great piece of software.

>>4357809
You can switch to any software at any time to with minimal adaptation required. It's not a big deal where you learn so no hurry.

>>4357606
m8 i admire your ambition but its very obvious that figure drawing is above your level. before you try to draw a whole person, i think you need to learn to draw more basic things first. ideally start with spheres cylinders boxes and pyramids, but i understand that is probably very boring, so at least you should just work on constructing heads, and then seperately drawings eyes, hundreds of eyes, noses and mouths. not whole faces yet, just each component, and when you understand how to draw a head, then you can work on putting the facial features on the head, and then do the same for the body. because there is no point in just telling you everything is wrong. i was out with some japanese friends last night. and one of them brought along a friend who doesn't speak japanese. and they kept asking him to repeat words and phrases. and he didn't know where one word starts and the next word ends. if you showed him a character, he would have no idea how to look it up even with a dictionary. he doesn't know enough japanese to use context from the rest of the sentence to try understanding a word he doesn't know. he has no point of reference because he hasn't even learned the basics. So my advice for him was ...yea you can learn some basic greetings and stuff, but really if you want to improve, you have to study the alphabet first. if you know the alphabet at least you'll be able to spell what you are hearing. then you can learn some basic nouns and verbs and grammar. I AM HUNGRY. LET'S HAVE SEX. And you can increase the complexity over time by building on things that you understand. If you can't draw a head, then your face is gonna look weird. So... good luck and have fun. For you... I say peter han dynamic bible, then watch some proko loomis head videos.

>>4357896
Thanks for the feedback. These have been exercises in trying to draw what i see, should i be trying to draw other things from life?

Also, do you know when i can move on from that onto for example the dynamic bible?

>>4357919
so... thats why i gave you the analogy of the language learner. It's not good for you to just repeat back a phrase. That is what you're trying to do. And what I'm saying is, you need to learn the syllables first so that when you repeat it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1HFb2WLm0M

Unless you know something about Russian you are not going to be able to repeat this back without sounding retarded. The narrator has to slowly break it down for you into parts that you can understand. When you can understand the parts then you can put them together. You don't even know what you're hearing the first time he says it. And the other thing that helps is having it written underneath in our alphabet. Otherwise you're like "was that a J, ...a Z.. is it like an sh? Should I be rolling my R like that? It's EXACTLY a perfect analogy for drawing.


The dynamic bible is peter han. i think you should do that first.

>>4355269

if only youre good at crit. all you do is state the obvious with your ugly ass mouth. follow your own advice and fucking draw. come back when you're above /beg/.

>>4356643
drawing is better than the ref imo

tried to draw a crunched-up envelope i found, but it mostly became an amorphous blob... idk how to shade decently

>>4356372
good post

Lines make me sad

new
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>>4357919
You should absolutely start by drawing more basic things from life. Stuff like fruit is an obvious choice because they have pretty basic shapes and are something you can easily get in real life and set it on your desk/table and just draw what you see.

NEW BECAUSE NOBODY HAS 15 SECONDS TO COPY PASTE

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