/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4341513
I'm tired of seeing posts like this
You don't like drawing, i don't know why the fuck you insist on drawing, but you don't like it and you should find another hobby

>>4341517
Not OP, but I didn't like learning languages until I found an efficient way to do it, then it became second nature.

I still have hopes drawing will eventually "click" as well.

>>4341525
hasnt clicked for me either and I get frustrated when I try and it turns out shit but I still have fun when I doodle
Theres gotta be some enjoyment in it otherwise why do it

>>4341525
drawing still hasn't clicked for me after like 3 years
same with programming, math, just doing work in general. ugh

>>4341513
Ill stop drawing tomorrow

>>4341531
I'm going on eight years, but still no click.
I'd estimate my skill to be at the three year mark.
I'm also pretty sure I'm retarded.

>>4341561
post your art

>>4341566
pfff, have at it
https://inkbunny.net/DansLittleFurs

>>4341525
This.
You need to be efficient or at least feel efficient or you won't enjoy it in the beginning.
>>4341531
maybe stop cooming and playing vidya all day and start making friends with people in those fields.

>>4341513
I believe in you anon
Don't fall me

>>4341605
*fall on you*
0w0

>>4341575
at least you have friends

>>4341513
see >>4338133
become a daddy today

>>4341531
6 years and no click, but with my lack of work I'm probably closer to 2 years in. Math has clicked for me, but I took that for 5 years in university.

>>4341575
i am sorry

>>4341604
mate i spent the last hour reading an article on linux kernels and i can't tell you a single thing about kernels, i just can't absorb information properly i probably have a learning disability
also i can't make friends, programmers are boring people and there arent any artists in my area

>>4341627
Allright. Sorry I thought you were normal, not a fucking loser handicapped tard.

>>4341513
damn it's like looking in a mirror.

>>4341513
>I'll draw today!
>l-later

>>4341575
>DansLittleFurs
This is a joke right? You fucking suck lol wow

>I'll draw today... I just need to get in the mood first

>>4341525
It wont. And you're deluding yourself to think otherwise.
Draw.

>>4341513
>>4341525
Do you niggers not have any objective for learning art? A comic idea you want to make? A fucking porn pic you want to have for yourself? Do you really just study art for the sake of studying art?
Unless you really have fun learning this is no way to learn a useful skill, I mean shit if you go to /g/ and start talking about wanting to learn about programming one of the first questions you'll hear is "what do you want to make?". Go play videogames or some other shit if you just want to kill time.

>>4341513
I will never undestand this meme, if you don't draw everyday, it means you don't enjoy it and if you don't enjoy it you will ngmi.

>>4341513
If you don't draw everyday, it means you don't enjoy it and if you don't enjoy it you are ngmi.

>>4341760
When I started learning Japanese my goal was to eventually watch/read the series I liked the most in their original.

It took me 3 years to muster the confidence to do it - on the way I'd read other "less important" manga and anime, ones that I didn't care about if I got things wrong.

With drawing it's the same thing - I can't do projects I really have an interest in cause I'm not good enough to execute it competently.

With language I was able to set up exercises that didn't involve reading my goal-series but still being enjoyable. With drawing I haven't found a way to set the same sort of short-term milestones to keep track of my progress, there's only long term skills.

I also already told you I didn't have fun with this, yet I acquired fun - I enjoy the language grinding. So shut the fuck up with ~le just stop doing it attitude, if I listened to some guru like you in the field of languages, I'd be none the wiser nowadays.

This thread feels like a personal attack and yet I still don't want to draw right now.

I think I'm just broken.

>>4341513
dad.gallery

Go on then.

>>4341613
OP here, I'll try my best...
Trying to work the values before I commit here.
It's an old sketch I had done a while back, and had a nice fella help out with critiques

>>4341837
what do you like to draw, and why aren't you drawing it?

>>4341513
>only thing i'm genuinely interested in doing at all is drawing
>"i'll draw tomorrow"
>"i'll draw in an hour"
>don't draw anything i want to draw because it'll look worse than shit
>don't practice drawing because doing the same thing over and over feels like shit and only produces minimal results
>don't figure draw because just thinking about it makes it feel like i have a headache and it looks like shit anyways
>can barely will myself to pick up the pen even when i really want to
The last thing I want to do is die, but it feels like it's the only possible option to get out of this trap.

>>4341528
I feel that. I quit doing it, because I hated everything my hands made. People always thought the flowers looked pretty, but they were created from disgust. Hope you boys find the spark that sets you off on the path to greatness.

>>4341513
No. Draw today. It doesn't get any easier, until you put in the effort and get better.

>>4342480
Same, anon. I day dream about making amazing comics all day but i know it will take years to get there and i don't even know where to start.

>>4341513
For me it goes

>I'll draw after work
>get home from work
>"Man I'm tired, I'll just watch some youtube or netflix"
>Hours pass
>man I've got to eat
>eat while continuing to watch Youtube, Netflix or Twitch streams
>Feeling horny, gonna fap
>maybe I should draw like I said I would
>I dont feel like it now, what would I even draw now I've got 8 hours before work tomorrow
>I'll do it tomorrow

Even on days off

>Wake up
>still tired somehow
>hang out for a while
>work up the nerve to draw
>draw for like 45 minutes, not happy with the progress/results
>get distracted by something else
>I should keep drawing
>look at my earlier progress
>get depressed/disillusioned
>maybe tomorrow

>>4342755
Stop watching porn, add exercise, and clean your dishes before bed each night. A clean home is a clean mind.

>>4342802
>stop watching porn
KJG has said in an interview that he watches a lot of porn. But he also exercises a lot.

HERE'S HOW I GOT INTO THE HABIT OF DRAWING: Start SLOW

Draw for ONLY 10 minutes a day. The logic is that once you sit down and start working, you'll just keep working until you've drawn for an hour. DON'T DO THIS. You cannot fool yourself. An hour of work is an hour of work, and you will still dread it no matter how you try to trick your brain. Draw for 10 minutes, then STOP. Keep doing this until you get comfortable with the habit, then you can incrementally add time (5 mins at a time). And if you're feeling low again, cut the time.

The most important thing is that you practice at all, 10 minutes is better than 0 minutes.

>>4342802
what are you, a woman?

>>4342862
probably, /ic/ has a high female to male ratio compared to other boards.

>>4342862
bro men just do what they WANT bro i just leave my floor covered in beer cans and cumsocks because im a fuckn MAN BRO what are you a PUSSY?

>>4342890
half trans, half furry

>>4341525
>I didn't like learning languages until I found an efficient way to do it, then it became second nature.
What way was it?

>>4341760
>Do you niggers not have any objective for learning art?
I do, but I'm more than scared to learn wrong stuff or learn something the wrong way.

>>4342890
This but unironically. If you worry about gay woman shit you can't be focused on art.

I draw every single day impulsively. When I look at marble, I see little faces in the patterns.

>>4342755
can't you just draw while you watch stuff? that goes a long way trust me.

>>4341627
Hit that anki bitch

>>4342899
full loser

Remember that you don't need to have 6-8 hour sessions that people meme here. 15 minutes pen on paper is far better then nothing. Keep at it guys, don't give up.

>>4343270
It's better than nothing but only in the strictest technical sense.
You need to be doing multiple hours per day to see gains.

>>4343280
I totally agree, but I think a lot of people here burn themselves out to quickly with fundies studies and lose their passion quickly. Drawing for one hour in your first year of drawing is a great way to start. You can't sit down as a beginner and just star grinding fundies for 8 hours.
... That comes the second year

>>4341815
>With drawing it's the same thing - I can't do projects I really have an interest in cause I'm not good enough to execute it competently.
jesus literally me, I've started to draw because multiple things but one of them is drawing characters that I love who inspire me
and I haven't done that so far since I don't want to fuck up so I just draw random characters that I don't hold much dear

>>4343308
Draw what the characters you want to draw to the best of your ability. Doesn't look good? Analyse why, read some books and try again. If you think you're not good enough to do them justice yet you can always not post the drawings.

>>4342689
I would recommend skipping out on Betty Edwards' book because all the pseudoscience actually ended up pissing me off after a while, Keys to Drawing is much better but i'm too lazy and discouraged to try out the exercises so who am I to talk?

>>4342904
>What way was it?
Flashcards.

- Grind a few thousand "most common words", anywhere from 20 to 30 new words a day should be a good pace;
- Read some grammar on the side so you get the basic mechanics;

After you reach about 2000 words, you can start reading some books with a dictionary at your disposal and it won't be TOO painful. From there, instead of "most common words", add words that you find in your books that you think would be useful to learn.

Add some subtitled movies/videos to the mix (subtitles in the target language, of course) and keep going.

After you start feeling confident, start turning off the subtitles and only use them when you have doubts.

Once you're not using dictionaries that often anymore, drop the flashcards. Unless it's Chinese/Japanese. In that case, keep doing flashcards forever so you don't forget your ideograms.

>>4341575
please tell me that you are not doing the "Effective Art Study Guide"

>how books/schools/teachers/theman tells you how to learn
go to school, build your skillset sequentially, only under the eyes of a proper institution and a tiered methodology can you appropriately grow and become like tesla. fail but only in small controlled demolitions, start expanding your horizons by learning everythign BUT the topic you truly care about because only then will you be prepared.

>how you REALLY learn
jump off the deep end, do the hard/fun part of what you want to do, succeed only because you had a mentor or were working off an already successful project or just had sheer passion, then fail massively because you don't really know what the fuck you were doing. work your way back to the beginning and fundementals armed with the context of your failures then crawl like a maggot back to the place that piqued your interest

>>4344444
>Unless it's Chinese/Japanese. In that case, keep doing flashcards forever so you don't forget your ideograms.
If you learned or are still learning the latter, how did you go about learning the stroke order?

>>4344444
>Unless it's Chinese/Japanese. In that case, keep doing flashcards forever so you don't forget your ideograms.
If you learned or are still learning the latter, how did you go about learning the stroke order?
Also, nice quints. Checked

>>4344497
I have one deck for vocabulary where I just look at the word and say the meaning, and one for actually writing the kanji, where I have its meaning/reading and I have to recall how to write it. There is a basic set of rules (full of exceptions) about going top-left to bottom-right, but it's mostly rote memorization.
If you want more info, definitely check out the DJT thread on either /int/ or /jp/, the resources are pretty good.

The most useful thing I learned from all this and I wish I could apply with drawing: even 15 minutes of study a day EVERY DAY beats sitting down for 6 hours once a week and studying a lot. Consistency is king, slow and steady wins the race, etc.

With drawing I'm still stuck at my old bad habit that got me nowhere with languages for years:

- Feel bad about progress;
- Study a lot in a short period of time;
- Burn out;
- Wait it out until I feel bad enough that I start drawing again.

It's all due to the lack of tangible, bite-sized goals. In language I can learn "X words a day", with drawing you will learn the same thing forever cause it's iterative, I don't know. CLICK, MOTHERFUCKER, CLICK!

>>4341517
Nah. OP likes drawing, he just spends too much time on this board which sucks the fun out of drawing

>>4344523
>If you want more info, definitely check out the DJT thread on either /int/ or /jp/, the resources are pretty good.
Thanks, will do.

>The most useful thing I learned from all this and I wish I could apply with drawing: even 15 minutes of study a day EVERY DAY beats sitting down for 6 hours once a week and studying a lot. Consistency is king, slow and steady wins the race, etc.
That's sadly natural because your concentration plummets between the 15-30min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlU-zDU6aQ0
->00:15 to 07:50

By the way you're writing reminds me of the anon that recommended the "Learn Japanese From Zero!" channel once in a thread, was that you as well?

>>4344540
>By the way you're writing
>you're
>That's sadly natural because your concentration plummets between the 15-30min mark
Case in point, ha. I'm too sleep deprieved

>>4344540
>By the way you're writing
>you're
>That's sadly natural because your concentration plummets between the 15-30min mark
Case in point, ha. I'm too sleep deprived

>>4344540
15 min is of course not enough to become a pro. It's better than nothing, but it's not sustainable in the long run. Should be more like 1~2 hours of LEARNING every day with a few more hours of creation within your own comfort zone - projects and whatnot.

>was that you as well?
No, I hate these meme Japanese guides, for grammar I'd go with just Tae Kim and DoJG (both in the DJT guide).

>>4341528
>>4341531
>tfw felt that click/rushing feeling but it faded away in a few months because I found out that my current skill level is still too low to allow me to draw what I have in mind

it felt really good when it hits though, one day we will all find it back again anons.

>>4341513
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN CURE THIS?

>>4341760
I think for a lot of people, the things they are able to produce are so consistently disappointing that it's really demotivating.

I have plenty of ideas, I want to make a few comics, a couple short and one long one. Also have plenty of more "artsy" pieces I want to do, but the fact that I can't even get close to producing something satisfying for these kills me every time I draw. Just have to get over that.

>>4344862
You have to do shit. If this is really a problem for you, CUT IT. It's the best way for anything like this, cut it cold turkey for a while. It's gonna feel weird yeah, but you'll realise you don't need this shit and you're just doing it because it's EASY. If you work, when you get home, turn the phone off. Sign out of twitter/insta. What is it you wanna do instead of scrolling? Try to do it, have a show or music on in the background if needed.

>>4344465
What's wrong with it?

>>4341525
are you me? passed jlpt n4 this year lmao. if i could just art like i do japanese.

>>4342802

>>4344874
I use a second screen for music and tv shows

>>4344862
this anon >>4344874 is right. art is one of the many things i always wanted to learn but never actually tried to because i became addicted to the instant gratification that scroolling and vidya provided as a teen. going cold turkey and forcing myself to do something else , plus practicing mindfulness to make sure i was mentally present for that something else, is the only thing that ever fixed it. at first it feels shit because you think you're not allowing yourself any fun, but go a while and you won't even have the urge to scrooll anymore, cuz your brain will have learned to get its positive feedback from something else (something more productive, if you've been forcing yourself to do those things instead)

>>4341517
Most people go through that with anything that they're trying to learn.
Doesn't matter if it's art or programming or any other skill, there is always going to be a period where you want to give up on it because you realise it's a lot fucking harded than you thought it was going to be.

Watch me anons! I'm going to draw now! As soon as I hit the "post" button! I'll be drawing until I'm too hungry to go on!

>>4341517
>You don't like drawing, i don't know why the fuck you insist on drawing, but you don't like it and you should find another hobby

I don't like exercising either but I still want to look like a muscle god. You can desire the goal while hating the method

>>4345749
How long have you been drawing? I despised drawing at first. No natural talent for it, always a math and science kind of guy. 1.5 years into forcing myself to draw every day and I'm actually starting to like it sometimes. I find myself sneaking in time to draw at work not because I have to but because I want to. So I think our preferences are pretty malleable, and they're strongly related to what we're already good at.

>>4341513
But Im going to draw today when I get home. I already started drawing a bitch with fat tits but had to leave halfway through so not to be late. Gonna try and use it for a commission.

>>4341513
I drew an hour yesterday. didnt draw at all today. atleast 2 hours tomorrow

>>4341954
I'm not >>4341837 but I like to draw fat girls.
I'm scared that by drawing them a lot I'll fuck up my understanding of normal anatomy because fat just wraps everything up and makes it look completly different. Also I'm scared that by drawing only fatties eventually I'll end developing a style that makes everything look "fat".
Here's my confession, please smite me for my sins.

>>4341954
It won't be perfect

>>4341513
Is that Jazza?

>>4346565
Just draw your fat bitches and have fun with it. Learn what you can but don't shackle yourself to the knowledge. Just understand when you're breaking the rules to make it look nice

>>4341760
Learning art for the sake of learning is rewarding in multiple ways. There’s much to gain by learning the skill alone so I don’t agree with this analogy because it’s not like learning a language that you won’t be able to use

>>4346726
Thank you kind stranger, that's all I needed to read ;_;

waaahhh i dont want to focus
i dont want to confront each and everytime i make a mistake drawing
its so annoying