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4336590 No.4336590 [Reply] [Original]

when it comes to "ref" that can mean anything from you had something that you glanced at a few times just to give you an idea all the way down to you straight up copied it, used a grid to make sure the proportions were perfect etc.

I don't want to see any of that. show me what you got. What can you do only from memory and imagination.

Also let's discuss other artists and how much of what they do is referenced and how heavily it is referenced.

>> No.4336595

>>4336590
All right. Request something.

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>> No.4336604
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I don't think this is impressive to anyone, but I know someone will ask so before you ask me to post my work, here you go. now let's see yours

>> No.4336607

>>4336597
yo thats pretty good bro. i hope i can learn to render without source

>> No.4336608

>>4336595
ok can you draw gerudo link being cute

>> No.4336613

>>4336608
The last Zelda I played was Majora's Mask.

>> No.4336615

imagine drawing anything with ref

>> No.4336617

>>4336613
ok how about a chimp doing martial arts

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I know it's not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination but I found this is the only one that qualifies, no grid, refs, not even construction lines. feedback appreciated.

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>>4336590
NO REF USED LOL

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>>4336590
I drew my fursona without ref! ^w^

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>> No.4336689
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My OCs? Probably not fair though since I've drawn them hundreds of times.

>> No.4336737

All right i'll do it for 50 bucks.

>> No.4336838

>>4336689
Love the merfolk. Is this a comic?

>> No.4336845
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Girl on the right is drawn no ref, had to do lots of trial and error though. Also I fugged the proportions and made her 8 ft tall

>> No.4336854

>>4336845
Huh. Now that I look at it it's a lot more janky than it did at a glance. Hands are weird and mutilated and the feet don't sit quite right either.

>> No.4336861

>>4336845
It's good that you draw drapery, anon. But if you draw the figure underneath, it will inform you when you draw the folds involved and it will be easier to follow the curves of the body. You can go a long way with imagination if you keep volumes in mind.

>> No.4336865

>that can mean anything from you had something that you glanced at a few times
So... I can't draw anything I've ever seen in my life?

If so everyone in this thread is cheating. >>4336604
Are you sure you've never seen gargoyles, bikes and Scott Roberton's drawings?

>> No.4336866

>>4336861
Noted. I started off with the figure but didn't really refine it, so as a result I think the arms and sleeves came out awkward among other things.

>> No.4336882

>>4336866
Fabric cannot occupy the same space as the flesh underneath, so always make so that the curves and folds rests upon the shapes of the body. If you see the bottom of the coat, it's much straighter that it would be if it followed the roundness of the thighs. Same with a sleeve, it will always be as round as the area of the wrists it rests upon. Drapery is a lot about accurate curves.

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>>4336865
nigger are you retarded? i said draw from memory and imagination. those arent references. i wasnt looking at gargoyles and motorcycles when i drew the picture. why is it not punishable by death to be this illiterate?

>> No.4336924

>>4336590
i can't do much beside boring shoulder & up head shots from the mem. is there a trick and not just repetition to getting consistent shapes when doing entire imagination?

>> No.4336928

>>4336907
Nigger, re-read your OP and tell me you wouldn't be the first to be smited for raping the English language.

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>>4336928
"glanced at a few times" means something next to you as you draw (or in another window on your monitor, whatever), or something you specifically checked out to draw later.
Not literally everything you have ever glanced at.

OP's English is fine.
His estimation of how much another person needs to, and can be expected to, infer from context, on the other hand.

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>>4336928
you are the only one who didnt get it.
oh, your frail little ego...

>> No.4336988

>>4336948
god he has such a yummy bulge, i wanna rub it up and down until he cums pant

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>>4336617
Gaaah what the fuck does a chimpanzee look like?

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Bout as far as I can get before I need ref

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>>4336590

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>>4336838
No. I just took a bunch of my characters and drew them as being the same race as this gal in the center here, I don't have a name for it though. Some kinda colorful kobold/goblin things? That's all I got.
Anyways, it was a dual purpose exercise to see if I could keep them distinct and recognizable even as a different race, while also trying out some different face shapes and features on the race. To what end, I don't know, because I don't ever make any finished work anyways lol :'O)
I was inspired by Ryoko Kui racebending her characters during the two chapters in Dungeon Meshi where the party got hit with a case of the changelings. It's really cool how she makes each of the standard fantasy races look unique.

>> No.4337164

>>4336988
delete your 4chan account
>>4337157
very nice

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>>4336590

>> No.4337180
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I only used a screenshot from the game (Stardew Valley) to get the features of the statue right, but everything else was done from imagination

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>>4336590
I mean, I looked at ref for the rabbit, but the environment and the dragon was refrenceless (and it really shows desu. I should have used a fuck ton more). I had the body shape and inspirations of what creatures it would be like in my head before starting, and didn't look them up. until finishing rendering

I did use a handmade grid to make sure everything sorta sits on the same plane. Is that cheating? am I GMI?

>> No.4337201

>>4337025
that looks like beetlejuice from howard stern lmao

>> No.4337205

>>4337109
in the thumbnail i thought this was gonna be arnold mr freeze.

>> No.4337206

>>4337180
you used a reference, fuck off

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>>4337206
Lol I'll take that as a compliment I guess. Don't know how to prove it, but I used none, I just painted lot of environments like this (both from imagination and photo studies) so I can pull them off pretty easily at this point.

Pic related is another somewhat similar piece I did, but I did use a reference for the horse because I suck at horses (and animals in general)

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>>4337206
Another, used a ref to get a general idea of how to shape the broken trunk during the sketch stage, and one to figure out how to bunch up the yellow mushrooms, then did the rest (lighting, colors, textures, etc) from imagination.

This one was more of a sketch compared to the Stardew Valley one (bit less than 2hrs vs 6-7hrs)

>> No.4337536

>>4337223
a screenshot from a game is a reference. its not a compliment at all.

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Wait I now get a special credit for actually just drawing?
What a time to be alive

>> No.4337560

>>4337541
you dont get any credit. im just making a distinction.

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i should use ref again

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I have a solid anti ref policy, i hate being given shit to draw i like to draw what's in my head not whatever i found in stock photos.

Once got commissioned basically like "i want like this pic" i found it incredibly easy and the commissioner was happy with what he got.

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Shitty sketch I won't finish

>> No.4337598

>>4337572
is there anything worse than the westaboo face

>> No.4337599

>>4337595
i like it tho. the face is a little weird because its a bit too human. i guess thats the eyes. but bretty good anon

>> No.4337608

>>4337563
I like how you can see this as a head as a foot or a monstrosity with a snake-like neck

>> No.4337610

>>4337149
I like the colors, are you the guy who tried to btfo illastrat? Getting a similar feel

>> No.4337618

>>4337180
Holy damn that looks beautiful!

>> No.4337620

>>4337598
Uhh what?

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Started drawan boxes and then kinda transitioned into drawing robots?
Decided to challenge myself by drawing without erases or undoes.

>> No.4337666

>>4336597
>>4337149
>>4337196
>>4337595
Coolest stuff in the thread so far.

>> No.4337701

>>4337231
Blog?

>> No.4337709

>>4337541
Honest question: Why not just make her naked?

>> No.4337722

>>4337663
Very cool Anon

>> No.4337723

>>4337196
A ref is a ref. This thread is zero tolerance for any ref. You have utterly missed the point.

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>> No.4337762

>>4337725
>filename
top kek

>> No.4337801

>>4337723
Retard.

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>>4337709
I hate censorship as a concept and want to dance around it out of spite.

So here's an sfw fully clothed person pegi +0 enjoy.

>> No.4337810

>>4336603
I like the two figures in far right upper corner

>> No.4337811

>>4337801
More illiterate cope

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I've had this image in my head for a few days

>> No.4337990

>>4337725
i like this

>> No.4337991

>>4337701
My Instagram is @sktchup, I have links to my Twitter and whatnot on there

>> No.4338058

>>4337206
its not that hard to imagine anon like he said in >>4337223 it just takes doing it with ref over and over to become more familiar with it. its not some magic innate power. the more you study the more you can do the same as him. nothing about being better here, just a showing a result of hard work. can't be the only one here thinking this.

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posted this in /art/ yesterday
i have a bad habit of rarely actually looking at references because it's comfier this way

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Is Hodor

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amd Marth

>> No.4338087

>>4338065
Looks cute, who did you learn drawing lips like that from?

>> No.4338090

>>4338077
>>4338078
these are so good, do you study perspective extensively or is most of it intuition?

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im quite proud of the clothing considering I've never studied the folds of jackets properly.

>> No.4338150

>>4338099
It's not bad but it looks like velvet imo maybe that's what you were going for tho.

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ill post a few.

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>>4338187

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>>4338189

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>>4338192

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>>4338090
Intuition and a little bit of know-how.
Once I read up on perspective and learned how to freehand draw boxes, cylinders, amorphous blobs etc. intuitively in perspective and got a good handle on it, it massively improved my drawings. I had some conception of construction drawing before but it wasn't until then that I really *got* it. Depth and perspective on a 2D surface are an illusion built on simple principles, and once you have an understanding of them you can do anything.

>> No.4338237

>>4338220
Before that I couldn't draw a landscape or a scene to save my life because I was taught to do that 1-2-3-point perspective nonsense where you put down your horizon line, your points, and then you draw stuff and it confused the heck out of me because it was putting the perspective guides before the actual stuff I was drawing. Maybe I was a little retarded, too. I've spent all my life drawing nothing but characters, mannequins and objects and it's only now that I'm getting around to actually drawing places since I was a young kid. Turns out it wasn't so hard and complicated as I thought it would be.

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>>4336590
I drew this in a meeting today. I know it's not perfect but I have a lot of fun with cars and I never ever use references. Idk if I've ever drawn a real car. It's only fun for me to make up new ones. Just slap down some wheels in 2 point perspective and find your proportions. It's not that hard.

>> No.4338265

>>4336928
>>4336907
dont say that word you ngmi if your rude

>> No.4338267

>>4338265
It's a word faggot. Suck it up. Deal with it. Did you forget what website you're on?

>> No.4338280

>>4338265
nigger

>> No.4338407

>>4338087
i just draw a normal anime mouth and shade it a bit i think desu, but i like vickisigh's facial features a lot and her mouths are a bit more realistic

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>>4338058
no im not accusing him of using one, he specifically said he used a ref. memory is not a reference. some people are completely missing the entire point of the thread. "i only used a ref for this one part" doesn't matter. you used a ref. memory isn't ref. pictures and actually things in front of you are references. why is this so hard for people to grasp? you have like 40 other threads you could post your pictures in that you drew from ref. yes obviously you draw from ref then build a memory of how to draw a thing. that is what we're testing here. that's what we're showing.

>> No.4338569

>>4337025
It’s good bro. I like him.

>> No.4338574

>>4338192
good god anon

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>>4338150
I aim more for those heavy reflective "plasticy" fabric that most mountain ridge jackets have. They have a bit of a velvety, reflective property, so maybe I didn't totally got it right.

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>> No.4339018

>>4338574

good or bad? i can never tell around here.

>>4338950
cool shiyt

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>> No.4339022

>>4337610
Im not, no. QRD?

>> No.4339023

>>4338192
>>4338194
Nightmare fuel

>> No.4339050

>>4338950

I fucking love this. gimme blog.

>> No.4339961

>>4338552
memory is a reference

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>>4336597
>>4337180
>>4337595
>>4338187
>>4338950
>>4339021
Lovely stuff. Blog?

I made this two just now. Not gonna lie, I feel more comfortable using ref, I also think that I can produce way better stuff. But I also feel that's starting to become a crutch, how do I stop this? I don't want to become someone that can't draw without reference.

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>> No.4340143

>>4339961
And 50 other copes of an imaginationlet.

>> No.4340174

>>4337598
The left arm

>> No.4340320

>>4338552
I think in this case that anon meant he looked at it to draw a specific statue-- not to draw (any) statue. Guess that technically still counts, but I'd give it a pass. It's like being told to draw a specific logo. You need to look at it to know WHAT you're drawing but it's not like the logo is helping you draw better.

>> No.4340329

>>4340037
Stardew Valley painting guy here, I'm @sktchup on Instagram, more links in my bio on there

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>>4338950

wait a minute this is from 2017

>>/ic/thread/3027033#p3030981

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>>4336590
99% of my stuff is drawn without isng refs. Except for the character sheets.
I draw mostly characters interacting, so it's pretty much a no brainer.

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These are all without refs. Only page on non refs I have

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>>4340037
No blog, it's just a hobby.
Have an influenza contaminated sketch

>> No.4340644

>>4340143
imagination isn't strict memory seethe harder

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>> No.4340729

>>4340333
Seething

>> No.4340741

>>4340037
Learn Loomis, vilppu, whatever method of construction drawing. Once you can into construction you can memorize and invent anything.
Of course you still need to study and practice but you won't have to rely on copying ref for everything you make. And of course do gesture drawing to keep your drawings lively. Walt Stanchfield's books are great for gesture drawing advice.

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>>4340729

I like the drawing but I don't trust the poster. It could be stolen or some shit. i find it hard to believe the original artist would need to dig a 2017 sketch just to post it here...

>> No.4340827

>>4340816
>being so assblasted and insecure you reverse search an image on /ic/
LUL

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>>4340827

I like it so I search since the "artist" didn't give a blog link. did you stole it and post it here for attention?

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I mean what I say, I actually do each and every one of these things, I am speaking with integrity. This is who I am, what I do:

I do anime so I have to use ref when it's a character I don't know. I like to use my old sketchbooks as either hard or soft ref - very inspiring stuff. Sometimes I'll look at a friend's character, but usually it's one of my oc.

I always used to glance through my previous works as soft reference to get me going, but I've learned to rely on it less because it's much more convenient this way. I've developed alternate methods of getting me going - focusing on something good to draw. I often use soft reference, but I try to work without it sometimes. I avoid looking at other peoples work, especially on /ic/, only a little and I get frustrated, saves me an unnecessary downward spiral. Most times I don't use hard reference unless I need to, like in a high quality finished work. It's mainly for things I don't understand at all. I do use it sometimes.

I use reference in studies; but less these days. I don't find it helps much unless it's something I'm new to, often I find it better to remember what I've already studied. Because I've done it so much, doing it again rarely leads to anything new. Again, I do use reference in studies sometimes, foolishly hoping I'll get lucky this time. Obviously I will spontaneously reference something if it seems helpful. I save things in a reference folder for later use, but I haven't used it recently, I'm doing lighthearted work nowadays. Used it much more before.

>> No.4341062

>>4340833
>>4340816
C O P E
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>> No.4341066

>>4341051
>wall of text
>absolute trash /beg tier sketch
Yep, checks out.

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>>4341066
? no eraser, no guides. top left one was lazy, trying my old beg style where I use guides.

>> No.4341084

>>4341081
btw why do we draw stuff that we aren't comfortable with anyways? Is the reason people do this just because it helps them to focus or something? serious answers only.

>> No.4341085

>>4340833
>he draws so poorly he thinks some boogeyman is out to anonymously lie about how well they draw from imagination
Maybe if you posted less meme reaction pics and more art you wouldnt be garbage LUL

>> No.4341092

>>4340348
When did you feel comfortable enough to stop using references? Your anatomy looks really good for something done out of imagination. Also, cute design.

>> No.4341098

>>4341081
The Dunning–Kruger is strong with this one

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>>4341098

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>>4341109

>> No.4341160

>>4341092
Thank you.

I was one of the not so smart stubborn guys that thought using references was cheating, so I never really approached that kind of learning. Then afterwards, when I tried using references, I felt they had a negative impact on my style, because they removed the originality (mistakes build a style I guess) and made my stuff look too correct and generic RL looking. I guess you could call that over referencing.
This is the reason it took me about 10 years to get to a level where I thought I could actually make it as an illustrator.
Nowadays I tell everyone to use references as much as possible. It's just a much faster way of improving imo. Don't neglect drawing from memory though. That's a good skill to have.

>> No.4341185

>>4341160
>this ego
>"my style and originality"
>"illustrator"
>look at the pic
>awful coomer shit with leg tumors and zero personality
Jesus Christ porn artists are insufferable.

>> No.4341188

>>4341185
I think I'm pretty mediocre. I'm an illustrator for a living. Style and originality of it are essential.
I respect your opinion.

All this said, no need to be a shithead just because you are anonymous on the internet. Go outside, have some fresh air, etc.

>> No.4341194

>>4341188
You're not an "illustrator". And your shit looks exactly like every other porn "style", you guys look all the same. Maybe you should work on your originality before you claim you have any.

This is why art boards shouldn't allow you people in, you always shit everything up to advertise your braindead porn.
You're probably thinking about milking this comment with "seethe harder" sock puppets for more attention right now so I'll let it drop. I really despise your kind.

>> No.4341200

>>4341194
The thing is I didn't claim my stuff is original or that my style is very recognizable. I said, that in the past I used to over reference stuff, so I dropped references because of it.
I think the mistakes people make are essential in building a personal style.
You think I'm trying to egotrip, while I just want to share my view on art.

I mean, if you want to talk about art, talk about art. Your personal opinions don't really matter in this debate. You should probably stop being mad for no reason.

>> No.4341271

>>4341188
desu I don't dislike your art, even if it is somewhat generic, but your replying to low-level bait shows that you do have some ego problems.

>> No.4341280

>>4336597
>1580325509081.jpg

>> No.4341289

>>4341271
Have you even read my replies?
I even agreed with them that I don't consider myself a very good artist.
Ehh, probably me replying to your post has to do with my ego as well, right?

>> No.4341297

well technically without ref. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ePl9he1dgs

>> No.4341351

>>4341271
you have ego problems for looking so deep into it instead of just dropping it. I can't fucking stand this board, you have to jump through hoops so little whiny cunts like >>4341185 don't throw a temper tantrum. The only right answer is to say nothing, you are a fagget.

>> No.4341357

>>4341084
To learn and expand our horizons, duh.

>> No.4341363

>>4341351
I bet there's exactly one anti-porn poster on this board ruining everything for everyone.
The question is how do we get him banned.

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>>4341185
>>4341194
>answering a question thoroughly is ego
>anyone else calling me out is just samefaggotry

Fuck you are a wanker. PYW.

>> No.4341397

>>4340578
Did that yesterday in about 30 minutes without ref. Probably need ref because I don't know how to push past this early stage.

>> No.4341404

>>4341185
kys

>> No.4341624

>>4337180
>>4337196
>>4337223
>>4337231
>no refs
>I only used a ref for like 5 pixels in the corner

then your out. If you can draw the dragon but you can't draw the rabbit, I don't believe that. Every one of your works is supposed to be from imagination except for one single thing each time? don't believe it and you can't take that as a compliment.

>> No.4341640

>>4341357
yeah I know the theory, but do you actually do that? Have you ever actually expanded your range of capabilities by explicitly studying something you weren't comfortable with?

I am asking if you have seen that work in your own experience. That explicitly trying to do something you weren't comfortable with helped make an improvement. I don't just mean studying things you don't already know, not merely a study of something new (which someone might ordinarily do on their own volition) but occasionally seeking discomfort itself as a kind of study, or even as a part of everyday study.


I tried it once the other day, and I could see how the "danger" of it might help you to focus. I think it would expand my range if I kept at it, which is nice too, but I feel like the main benefit was actually just the focus. This is just my first time impression however, so I'm probably not yet accurate, that's why I ask.

>> No.4341661
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>> No.4341676

>>4336654
pfffft

>> No.4341690
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>> No.4341704

>>4341085
>LUL
>COPE
yeah that anon is right, you are not even at crab level and are here only to shitpost and "hehe trigger" some random anons on the internet
what a fucking loser

>> No.4341714

>>4341624
Dude, I shared the other two paintings because the anon I was replying to wouldn't believe me when I said that I did the whole thing (minus the statue) from imagination. I shared the other similar pieces that I *also* did from imagination, but made it clear that I used reference for parts of them so they could easily see what I did and didn't use reference for, I didn't share those as an answer to the OP.

As for my *actual* submission to this thread, I legitimately cannot help you if you can't see the difference between using a reference because you can't draw something vs using a reference to figure out specific features of that something. I can draw a random statue from imagination, but I needed to know what *that particular statue* looked like. I pulled up the screenshot, sketched the statue's features, put the ref away and went on with painting. Is it technically using a reference? Yeah, that's why I fucking mentioned it, but I felt the way I used it didn't actually affect the final result as much. It's like using a reference because you don't know how to draw a horse vs using a reference of a particular horse to remember which side and what shape the white patch on his coat is supposed to be. Not exactly the same.

>> No.4341727
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>> No.4341742

>>4341185
Fuckers like you are the reason why there aren’t any good advice here now a days.

>> No.4341745

>>4341714
>using a reference because you can't draw something vs using a reference to figure out specific features of that something
okay, so you needed ref for that specific statue. I think op was specific about the "no ref" because nobody knows how much of the ref was used and in which way, so NO REF is was specified. And you say you can draw a statue from imagination, then why do you need refs for a random rabbit a random bunch of mushrooms etc...?

>> No.4341791

>>4341704
absolute rage

>> No.4343144
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>>4336590
Fuck Tesla

>> No.4344558

>>4341185
>>4341194
What a raging faggot.

>> No.4344950

>>4340348
maybe you should use a ref to draw a nose. wtf is that thing?

>> No.4344977

>>4344950
Do you really think BBC doesn't know how to draw a realistic nose?
Ever heard about faux anime and anime stylization?
Are you a crab?

>> No.4344992

>>4336650
Nice work, the text adds that extra bit of flair to it as well.

>> No.4344996

>>4341624
What a fucking seething faggot.

>> No.4345091

>>4338243
something about this looks traced. i cant put my finger on it. looks good tho.

>> No.4345107

>>4345091
>something about this looks traced
Not with that perspective.

>> No.4345353

>>4345091
Lmao no dude. It's a scribble in my legal pad. I promise you it's not traced. I've probably drawn 1000 cars.

>> No.4345614

>>4345353
Dude, it's obvious it's not traced. The perspective is completely fucked. You are just replying to a an even bigger beginner than you are.

>> No.4345840
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I doodle from my imagination in work all the time, while on the phone and stuff.
I wish I had the energy to do finished digital peices when I get home.

>> No.4345848
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>>4345840

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>>4345840

>> No.4345862

>>4345858
Dope. Ig?

>> No.4345879
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Started as a shitty sketchbook sketch and I drew over it digitally. Based off my best memory of what a small commercial kitchen would look like (never worked in one before). I did know that the pre-prepped ingredients are a thing so tacos can be assembled faster, and the deep fryers are the best I can remember. I imagine dish racks, trash bins and sinks are also usually common place.

inb4 perspective is fucked. I know.

>> No.4346003

>>4345614
I understand how to tilt an ellipse into perspective but I am confounded on spacing them apart. The front wheel is in perspective but it's way too far away from the rear wheel. I don't understand how foreshortening works in perspective I guess. I just sort of guess. If I care about the sketch I'll just keep going with trial and error and I'll get closer but I'm really just eyeballing it. Even if they were cubes. And I want the cubes to be the same size but for their to be 3 more cube lengths between them. I have no idea how to measure that. In a flat angle you just count one to 3 but going toward the vanishing point I am clueless. Would appreciate an explanation if you have one.

>> No.4346049

>>4344996
calmer than you are dude

>> No.4346122

>>4346049
he meant to say that you think like a retard.

>> No.4346324

>>4345879
>>4345862
how did you delete your original post?

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4346372

>>4346324
>>4345862
Sorry - i fucked up the comment in my original post and deleted it immediately, only to repost it shortly after. Blog here >>4345929

To delete a post, you can check the box in the upper left corner of your post, and then hit 'Delete' on the bottom right of the page. Pic related.

>> No.4346566

>>4346122
maybe you can explain his argument better?

>> No.4347647

>>4346003
Actually I figured this out last night.

>> No.4347704
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4347704

Drew this at work yesterday, tried to break out of my comfort zone and tried to draw superheroes making ugly faces. I know I screwed up on anatomy though,

>> No.4348865

>>4338220
>>4338237
not that anon but what books did you read or what material did you look at? I'm in the exact same place as you were I think, there's just a lot of material out there to try

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4349731

>>4336590

>> No.4349732

>>4336689
thanks for the cute fish

>> No.4349734

>>4337109
I love this type of coloring, is it straight watercolor or a specific type of digital brush?

>> No.4349737

>>4341367
very nice

>> No.4349738

>>4341397
do some quick small scale studies and then apply that knowledge when giving definition to you flats

>> No.4349740

>>4344950
you know I hadn't noticed it at first but yeah that line curving up off the nose just looks off

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>> No.4349758

>>4349740
I think the line besides the nostrils is supposed to be the shadow shape. It's common in certain anime styles but for some reason he didn't color it in so it looks off.

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>>4336617
I want to quit art. this shit is an exercise in humility

>> No.4349769 [DELETED] 

>>4349763
FUCK phoneposting

>> No.4350329
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4350329

>>4338950
>>4340333
I don't post recent work here anymore.

>> No.4350475

>>4338265
Fuck off faggot

>> No.4351219

>>4351195

>> No.4351250

>>4348865
Moatdd's videos on Youtube. The channel name is Mark's Drawing Tutorials. I recommend that you start with his Quilting (yes, that's what it's called, it's recent so it's easy to find) and the 10 Minute Drawing Techniques playlist. Just be sure to get the playlist from his channel, you won't find it through YouTube's search bar. I've got to get to work or I'd toss you links, phoneposting sucks.

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>> No.4351486
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4351486

Took several stages but well

>> No.4351497

>>4351479
>>4351486
/beg is that way -->

>> No.4351532

>>4341062
>>4341085

can you retards stop projecting. learn how to read. just give me the blog if its your art. that'll teach me a lesson.

give me the blog. but I know you can't because you fucking stole it didn't you? pathethic.

>> No.4351536

>>4339018
very good

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4351599

What do I win?

>> No.4351607

>>4351599
Noice

>> No.4351615

>>4351599
dont skip head day, kids

>> No.4351654

>>4351615
>head day
Ba-dum-tssss

>> No.4351725

>>4351486
the right arm looks weird, the back foot is off
but nice job

>> No.4351752
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i didnt feel like drawing today, so i decided to have fun and do some silhouette-ish drawings

>> No.4351835
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4351835

What ref?

>> No.4352002

>>4351532
see
>>4350329

now neck yourself

>> No.4352595

>>4336590
kys
I don't need validation from you

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4352606

>>4350329
>>4352002

who fuck are you?????

>> No.4352668
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4352668

rarely use refs anymore. can be very useful tho

>> No.4352673

>>4352668
frog is hard to read, i would change up the silhouette to improve clarity

>> No.4352732

>>4352673
true, true.

>> No.4353149

>>4352606
You should know because I have been living in your head rent free since I posted my drawing.

>> No.4353209

>>4352668
>that fucking hand
please do continue to use reference

>> No.4353280

>>4353209
sure will

>> No.4353284

>>4353209
i know hands are fucked up frog look bad eyes are too far aparts ears look stupid and shading is meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ clearly im not the best but man i dont think im that bad either (just givin myself a pat in the back cause im way to sensitive to critique posting stuff here is torture but i keep doing it lol)

>> No.4353421

>>4353284
its good. only the book hand looks a bit off.

>> No.4353426
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4353426

sexy dinosaur...mmmm

>> No.4354895

Bumping for more salt

>> No.4355497

>>4337572
>I have a solid anti ref policy
Which is why you'll never get better, look at the size of that head nigga lol

>> No.4355510

>>4341185
POST
YOUR
WORK

>> No.4355647 [DELETED] 

>>4336597
Amazing

>> No.4355817

>>4349740
This.

>> No.4355973

>>4349748
Blog?

>> No.4356992 [DELETED] 

>>4336603
Killed it bro,

>> No.4357977

NEW BREAD >>4357917

>> No.4358013
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4358013

eh

>> No.4358017

>>4358013
not your best work, Szymon, but better than most in this thread. when are you gonna make an IG so i can follow your asuka posts?

>> No.4358027

>>4358017
https://twitter.com/dairenke_art
here is my blog but I deleted almost everyting and won't upload until I create something critically acclaimed on ic

>> No.4358054
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no clue why I drew this so weirdly

>> No.4358245

>>4358027
>>4358027
>twitter
nigga wtf

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4358500

would have been nice to have a reference for the chips bag, honestly

>> No.4361493

>>4358245
Why?

>> No.4361506

>>4336590
If I draw fan art of a character and I use some character art for the details of the costume, but I make up a pose and add some other pieces of flair is that considered drawing from ref or imagination?

>> No.4361512

>>4358245
Bet you’re a tumblr fag.

>> No.4363227

>>4358500
Wow

>> No.4363281

>>4358054

you watch too much sinix

>> No.4363287

>>4358027

this

>https://twitter.com/dairenke_art/status/1194656824752005120/photo/1

is your most liked and shared work. might want to develop this style further.

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>> No.4365364

>>4361512
no dude, ig.

>> No.4365615

Man I've been wanting to draw something for this thread for like a week and I can't think of anything.
I can never think of anything interesting to draw and it's the bane of my life.

>> No.4366692
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4366692

I'm sofa king ree tar did

>> No.4366718

>>4366692
ho ho ho
you say funny ting

>> No.4367135
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4367135

this took forever

>> No.4369769

>>4367135
well yeah, it's a complicated drawing

>> No.4369793

>>4336590
Why the fuck did they make the pi thread this one way better. All imagination threads need morpheous for pic ok?

>> No.4371166

>>4336662
Real nice.
Unfortunately Beastars got me good and I thought it was from it lol

>> No.4375239

Nah

>> No.4375446

>>4353149
Lol what a loser.

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not sure if I should finish this one desu

>> No.4377747

>>4337725
Holy shit nice

>> No.4377764

>>4338950
This is incredible!

>> No.4377765

>>4365364
twitter >>>> ig

>> No.4377830

>>4375528
bretty good so far. but i think you'll need more to make it really interesting. reminds me of that painting frazetta did for mastadon. I think you need something else going on. another character or interesting background.

>> No.4377837

>>4340348
Top tier shit. Hands down best of the thread.

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>> No.4378538

>>4377839
>>4377839
Pretty nice linework. I'd take a closer look at the eye on the right though. Needs a bit of love.

>> No.4378548

>>4352606
She has a left foot on her right leg.

>> No.4379730
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Finally thought of something. It wasn't for this thread specifically but it fits.

>> No.4379918
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>>4379730

>> No.4380562

>>4336662
Anon this is so cute! Do you have a blog?

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>> No.4380787

>>4337136
half the skull is missing.

>> No.4380804
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just a quick sketch.

>> No.4380855

>>4380804
Don't be mad just because you can't draw from imagination, anon.

>> No.4380858
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4380858

>>4336590
So how do I do?

>> No.4380861

>>4336689
Desmoda looks like the Didact from Halo desu

>> No.4380884

>>4380855
im always mad bitch

>> No.4380888
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I tend to draw caricaturish bodies when i draw from imagination.. i can draw normal bodies but it bores me

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>>4336590

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p fuckin bored and god damn im rusty been a hot minute since ive gone without ref

>>4338077

credit is due where credit is due this is dope my dude

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4380950

>>4380945
and these b they p old when I was drawing a bit more

>> No.4380983

>>4336590
how do I prove to you I didn't use any ref?

>> No.4381063

>>4380983
You just post it. Nobody cares if you lie because we're not that interested.

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>>4381063
k then, spent all day studying skulls. then tried to draw one from memory.

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4381512

>>4381494
I'm sorry, you're going to need to prove that you didn't use a ref. This is too realistic.

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>>4336590
Oh just fucking kill me

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