/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4327634
Draw instead of shitposting about other shit-tier artists

>>4327634
Takes more than just grinding. Have to consciously be aware of your own abilities and figure out how to nurture your strengths and work on your weaknesses a little bit at a time.

>>4327634
Simply asking that question is enough.

Don't worry, anon. As long as you don't fall for the "my style" meme, you'll be fine.

Cursed image

this is probably satire man.

>>4327660
No, this is real thing that happens.

>>4327660
If only...

>>4327634
Actually put a tiny bit of effort into getting better. It's clear that that person isn't even trying.

>>4327660
This might be the most eye opening thread for you

>>4327634
Draw outside of your comfort zone, and use references when you feel like you're not getting something right.

>pink hair's chunky thighs

>>4327674
Probably just a lack of practice. You have to grind basic shit for hours a day. These idiots are just drawing a shitty picture every now and then.

>>4327674
I can give some leeway here because of age but the lack of any real evolution is still a problem.

>>4327634
>How can I avoid ending up like this?
i read the sticky. but what do you guys think

WITH THESE 5 PIECES OF NGMI I SUMMON THEE
KODYBOY555

>>4327634
>>4327674
>>4327676

Don't forget about art devolution

>>4327634
Honestly speaking, there IS an improvement in the OP, it's just.... It's still not very good.... At all.

>>4327676
Ah, I remember that thread. God that was horrifying. I've been studying as much as I can to try and make sure that doesn't happen to me.

>>4327695
No, the second drawing is bizarre and much worse

>>4327692
Oh this isn't *that* bad for a child. Still shit, but I've seen wor-
>He's still drawing like absolute dogshit at age 21
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>4327700
I don't agree. 2nd drawing looks a lot less basic than the 1st.

>>4327709
I know she's supposed to be blowing on the flower, but the shape of the mouth looks like she's trying to eat it but failing because the wind blew it away first

>>4327707
No. There is physically no fucking way that this is not a shitpost.

>>4327714
Soul vs Soulless

>>4327634
Referencing will help keep you in line

LOL

>>4327634
By leaving /ic/ as soon as you collect resources

>>4327634
This a prime example of 0 talent

>>4327690
To be fair, I can see some preferring the newer art in this over the older one. It seems more like a genuine style change then a devolution.

>>4327634
Okay let’s all be constructive about this. Let’s make this a thread about how to gurrentee you avoid becoming this. Obviously you want to avoid not going outside your comfort zone and challenging yourself to learn new things but what else?

>>4327870
For one thing the person OPs post did actually improve, just not in a lot of the fundamentals and not enough in that span of time. If these two drawing were a month apart it would actually be kind of impressive. This person never learned anatomy or perspective or the construction of a head. I don’t know if it’s actuslly possible to try and improve those things and not be able to. It seems like this person just practiced with out bothering to learn important things.

>>4327710
It still looks bad but they did improve.

Do these people live in a bubble?

1 week of watching force and gesture videos is enough to move way beyond this shit, I'm speechless

>>4327690
>>4327868
Yeah, this definitely looks like a style shift. It happens. The latter one is much more consistent in style than the first and second, so there's improvement.

>>4327636
What if I do both

>>4327710
The problem with these people isn't doing or not doing realism or anime, or any study method they're using or not using, the problem is that they can't see that their own work is bad. If you're properly self-critical and you can see your mistakes and you want to improve, then everything else will pretty much take care of itself as long as you put in the time. On the other hand, if you can't see your mistakes and you're happy with your current level, then nothing you do will help you improve, because you fundamentally don't care about improving.

Y'all on here shitting on these artists for not improving without answering OP's question.

The reason these artists don't improve is that they forget the difference beetween practice and play.

Sport bois have known this since the dawn of time. During practice you practice the fundamentals, you practice technique, you practice different styles, you go over theory and strategy. During play you put everything you learnt into practice. But practice is exponentially longer than play. Even if a player spends only 4 hrs a day practicing vs a 90min match every week, that's about a 10:1 study:play ratio.

When it comes to art you have to treat it the same way. You study and study, theory, fundamentals, everything that goes into creating something without bothering about the creation part. Then, when it's time to create you do your very best to use everything you learnt.

"Just draw" is a fucking meme. You might get a little better, but focused, daily study will get you much, much farther in the same amount of time than just drawing.

When you create/play you may improve a little in all aspects of the skill, and there definitely are aspects that require completion of a project (such as "final touches") but hour for hour you're better off studying daily from books/videos/courses/grinding than drawing a shitty drawing every 3 days.

>>4327710
Another problem is that people are trying to couch their criticisms in objective terms like "the anatomy of the head is off", which always gives her an out where she can say "well I don't care about anatomy, that's not my style". But if someone was just honest with her and said "your work looks like shit and no one likes it", then she MIGHT pay attention (but would probably still just ignore them). Cartoony styles are one thing, but no one wants to adopt shit as a style.

>>4327891
"Just draw" is only a meme to literal retards who have never learned how to do anything in their lives. If you think "just draw" means that you can literally flail the pencil around and you will magically get better, and that you don't OBVIOUSLY have to think about what you're doing and where your weak points are and how to improve them, then you absolutely deserve to fail and I hope people continue to not expand on "just draw" so that these retards continue to waste time and fail.
"Just draw" means "don't worry about which books you use or what techniques or what you choose to draw, just keep working at it and you'll get better". It obviously does not mean "close your eyes and scribble around on the paper and you'll get better" to anyone who is not mentally disabled.

This is why we learn our fundamentals, kids.

>>4327690
No wonder she tried to kill herself

>>4327710
>she wants to be a fucking manga writer

>>4327634
Soul vs Soul

>>4327892
That's still garbage criticism because you still aren't telling her why it's bad.
The reason why it's bad is because she doesn't have much or any concept of form or gesture. She's thinking of the drawing as flat instead of an object with depth and form, she's stuck in a 2D way of thinking. Her characters are stiff and disjointed. Anatomy has nothing to do with it because she doesn't even have the fundamental knowledge to portray it in any effective way.

>>4327897
You're calling me a retard while echoing everything I said.

Truth is, when most people hear "just draw" they think that drawing will magically make them better. To just tell people "just draw" is in good faith but ultimately gets them nowhere.

It's like telling someone who's depressed to "be happy".

>>4327935
>>4327897
>you're calling me a retard
I just realised I may have misread your post. Sorry about that, if that's the case.

>>4327938
I'm not calling you a retard. I'm saying that people who misunderstand "just draw" are retarded and do not deserve any clarification. If most people misunderstand "just draw" then most people are retards.
I'm still not sure if you and I are using the same definition of "just draw" or if we agree on the minimum amount of work someone has to put in to see gains. As long as you don't literally turn your brain off when drawing, then I think "just drawing" actually does lead to gains over time. If you brain is on and not literally turned off, and you "just draw" something, then a non-retarded person will look at it and go, hmm, this part doesn't really look right. I wonder if there's something I can do to fix that. And then they will try to draw the same thing again, but fixing their mistakes, because it's natural for people to want to do things well and not make mistakes. Hopefully they know about some of the learning resources mentioned on this board, and if there's some difficult aspect of drawing that they're particularly stuck on that they can't figure out themselves, then they'll eventually consult those resources. That one is slightly more of a jump than the other things I said, but still not much. I would be willing to expand "just draw" to "just draw and look at a book if you get stuck". But I still maintain that all of this is pretty obvious, and if you can't figure out this VERY basic workflow on your own then you deserve to fail.

>>4327723
I think they took it a little too literally and redid the picture the same way the did originally

>>4327892
>and no one likes it
someone obviously likes it or she wouldnt continue.
>>4327919
ok? doesnt mean she has to draw the manga. even then, shoujo stuff can get real wacky looking. so long as theres a bunch of flower tones spammed everywhere nobody really cares.

>>4328141
Are you fucking blind?
Yes people would care about her deformed alien people and yes they would be unlikely to read any manga with that level of art.

>two years

>>4328154

>>4328165
If you think that's as bad as the girl from DA then yes you are blind.

>>4328165
You're just jealous you can't dislocate your shoulders so you can get hugged by a real doll from behind while wearing a tight ass suit no less.

>>4328156
Soul as fuck

>>4328168

>>4327674
those 2004 drawings have a lot of soul

This thread is giving me anxiety. How the fuck is this even possible. I mean, if your art is trash, and you've barely improved at all over several years, what the hell keeps you going? This is literally nightmare fuel.

Aren't most of these just jokes?
Or people who aren't serious about art and only draw every now and then?
I refuse to believe people spent 5+ years drawing and only got worse with each passing year if they're truly passionate about it.

>>4328220
>2008
>went to art college
Hope the poor guy got a refund.

>>4328232
> only draw every now and then

This. I've been drawing for 30 years, ever aince I was able to hold a pencil. Barely ever improved because drawing sporadically with your brain switched off will never make you better.

>>4328222
You're forgetting that these people are so steeped in their own delusion that they don't care. Their faggoty manchild friends on DA will :3 them and tell them that their CWC-tier drawings of their sanic-pokemon-saiyan-hybrid OC that looks just like all the other drawings of it they've been doing since 6th grade is "epic" and any intrusion of reality will be ignored and/or retaliated against.

The average person could draw better than these people after putting in minimal effort towards a book like Keys to Drawing and if this thread is still here in a week I'll fucking prove it with photographic evidence because that's what I'm doing right now as a complete and utter /beg/.

>>4327634
might be someone who's actually autistic
you can give these people books, tell them all the tricks and hints, show them how you can still make appealing art without any skill and they'll never learn

>>4327674
someone who's practiced a lot on the same thing but never did studies

>>4327634
If you don't actively try to get better and just draw for fun - and "fun" is subjective here, we're not talk about fun derived from studying and going out of comfort zone - you will not get better. I'd know, over 15 years I've gained about half a year of real effort worth of improvement.

People are taking this a little too seriously. I'm in serious doubt these people are practicing and studying as much as they should be.

I've been cooking on the stove for over 10 years. That doesn't mean I'm an expert fucking cook.

What the Hell am I supposed to take away from these posts? 90% of these posts aren't even bragging. They're just time stamped doodles with little to know BG info on the creators. I don't understand .

>>4328220
>he bought a cintique
Big lol

I’m sure if you picked up a violin and played it would sound just as scratchy and shitty as you did 10 years ago and pro violinists would be horrified at your progress. These people just treat art as a casual hobby and don’t draw that much

>>4328197
Is this Alexei Navalny?

I'm pretty sure that if you wanna improve, you will. These people are just under some delusion that they're already good.

>>4327634
Make shitty threads on this board.

>>4328198
Soul vs Soul

>>4327634
Why are you afraid of "not improving"?
Man Im glad I dont just draw to be good at it and impress other people. I just draw what and when its fun, and im happy with a lot of what I do even if most people don't like it.
Sounds pretty depressing to always have to live up to expectations for no reason.

i'm studying to be an arts teacher, i have seen a lot of works in real life plus the internet stuff, from kids to old people, of the thoughts that i've had on this subject is that, mostly is a combination of social factors, and ego.

On social factors, several things influence, but what I have noticed most is that, in the first instance, it is a part the fault of the educational system, because although the method of pure creative self-expression is no longer practiced in many schools, it was established as something almost structural in the training of many teachers, on one hand they try to teach you academic subjects as different techniques and principles, collages, painting, drawing, photography, video, classic art, home things of your culture, but on the other hand it is proclaimed that self-expression and individual freedom is as much or more important, so added to the liberal ideals of the faculties of humanities and arts, you have boys who end up forgetting much of the technical knowledge, and if they are seeing it in class, they are motivated only to continue working and "do something" of subjective value that is evaluated in ambiguous enough indicators not to enter to discuss the work in real terms (this is in third world countries and this new liberal tendencies in u.s.a and europe countries, like x1000)
That is reflected in society, and we have that adults generically respond to all the works they see in young people with ambiguous, or neutral, positive responses; "how cute", "nice drawing", etc, etc, they tell you that it's fine, but never why, it's because they don't know it either, add the constant neutral possitive respond for all your life, and you have people who think they draw really good even when they don't even know why, and even when they actually do it like shit.
Continue....

Maybe it's the drunk talking, but there's something endearing most of these even if they're utter shit.

>>4328199
Did they not understand that the "Draw this Again Meme" requires them to draw the same fucking piece again, and not just whatever the fuck they feel like?

>>4329137
I can only speak for myself.
I think it would be pretty devastating to put so much effort and not improve at all. I don't want to impress anyone. I only care about the opinion of one person and its myself. Self disappointment is scary.

>>4329177
...You can check that in almost every art related carrer when you find some guys who enter to those carrers because they were told in the school and by their close ones that they "were good artist", only to find later that they actually really fucking suck, only to find later that in most liberal universities art carrers are almost a joke in therms of califications so almost everyone can pass. The only requisite to keep in track is that you have to attend very often to the classes, is almost exactly as that manga of that mangaka girl and the teacher, but the reality is even more grotesque.

The ego factor is a consequence of all that, people this days grow learning that all of they do is special, imagine that in the art area, is a false utopia, the ego block themselfs of actually look what they are drawing with external eyes. Generally a mental healty grow person can manage the ego by using the basics exercises of the brain, compare things, but this kids grow in a enviroment when the comparation process is make it in a false positive action, they look and see others works, they saw them, they say "is better than mine", but instead of saying "this is why mine is not similar to that, and this i can change to become like that, or better" (constructive self-criticism), they say "mine is pretty too", "it's fine like this" (false self-criticism).
The way to get ride of that is simple, fuck them do death, you have to fuck them hard, break they reality perception to make them instantly go for the logical thinking, that's what you see in some universities when those old drawing teachers just fuck you and put you a zero for presenting shitty works.

>>4329209
mostly of those kids and adults that draw like the pics of this thread are already fucked, they never gonna improve because the environment already set their minds to that false utopia thinking, so most are just gonna continue drawing for the social input (mostly all of them), and the rest are just gonna leave it, other are gonna try to actually get "pro" and check the reality and fail, and just a few are gonna be fucked up to death and rewash their minds to go the correct side. I really feel sad for the most, i can even see it in a lot of kids in the schools that i visited during my learning

>>4329194
I couldn't agree more. They have determination.

>>4329243
Yeah man. It reminds me of the shitty dragon ball fan comics I made as a kid. I don't mean it as an insult at all. There was lots of love there.

>>4329243
>>4329194
This. I'm honestly impressed by many of these people. Doing something for years and years with barely any noticeable improvements would be impossible for me personally.

>>4329253
It reminds me of the time a decade ago when I'd just draw shitty Touhou fanart all day. I knew I wasn't the best, but I was having so much fun that I didn't care.

>>4328457
Honestly if you're 20+ years old and still writing fanfiction and obsessed with children's cartoon characters there's a good chance you're legitimately mentally ill.

>>4329268
It's why I will never shit on deviantart too hard. I drew all sort of weeb shit horribly but back in the late 2000s it was still rare to find other weebs, so I got people commenting, complimenting and I made some penpals that lasted many years. I had so much fun, and I loved the anticipation people had.>>4329273

very cursed thread

>>4329199
and there you have it. if you make fun of these people, youre making fun of mentally disabled people.
gg ic.

>>4327919
Japs are starting to hire foreigners in anime more and have started looking for western manga creators.

So yea she actually could end up writing manga for a jap company.

>>4327634

I see this shit and it always seems to be with the cartoon/anime/manga/tumblr types. Am I wrong?

ive been on ic since last april. been through 3 sketchbooks. really thought i was making a lot of progress. was actually feeling great just this afternoon about how well my drawing was going.

>find this thread.
>haha look at these autistic oblivious furfags
>check my own work before and after.

if i haven't regressed, at best i've stagnated. and considering the amount of time and effort ive been putting into it these past 9 months, that means im fucked.

i have really been trying my hardest. i think i peaked right before i found ic and ive been going backward ever since. am i wrong?

maybe its all just shit and there is no up or down i my drawings.

>>4329665
you arent regressing; i would say youre doing better but maybe with less confidence because youre starting to understand the body more. try to be more analytical about drawing stuff. think "why does this color look good in this situation" or "what muscle is casting this shadow". if youre not getting better as fast as you want to, the answer is always the same: you need to practice more.

>>4329665
You're not regressing, but you may have plateued. After making initial /beg/ gains, further improvement will take more and more effort. Moreover, if you only started putting more effort into improving these last 9 months, then its natural that you haven't improved prior to that.

If you're concerned, now may be the right time to get out of your comfort zone and try something new.

>>4327740
Are you retarded?

>>4329665
you very obviously improved, just slowly. why did you lay out your art like this? its confusing

>>4329822
Clearly, as There is significant improvement there.

hey anons, i'm looking for that one progress chart from a japanese artist who would draw a touhou character and every year the tits get bigger

>>4327634
its too late

>>4328194
>Jackson
that's Gumball. your "OC" is just Gumball with earrings.
you do not deserve to improve, and i am glad you haven't

>>4328195
holy fuck this one got me

>>4329704
i have made hundreds of drawing of all kinds of things. i only drew a few pictures of women tho.

>>4329847
>imagine not posting this.

>>4328222
I've noticed how people with almost zero skill in something are usually the most confident in their work. They live in this weird delusion zone where they think they're hot shit and they're either too stupid or too up their own ass to realize they're not.

Honestly, I'm kind of jealous. I absolutely refuse to post any completed work because I know I'm trash and these folks feel so good in their own passions...

Honestly, I'm kind of jealous. I absolutely refuse to post any completed work because I know I'm trash and these folks feel so good in their own passions...

To speak ill of these people would only be an obvious window into my own insecurities

>>4328222
wanna be really afraid? see how far back into this gallery you can stand to go. https://www.deviantart.com/kodyboy555/gallery/

>>4330098
Stop coming here because people here are the anomaly. Normal people won't make fun of you. Only the failures like faggots from /ic/ will make fun of you

>>4330101
stop with the namefag stupid nigger

>>4330103
Kody is a fucking master you remove that post from this thread this instant

>>4330121
You know I can't do that, fren.

>>4329665
How many hours do you draw a day?

>>4327634
a lot of these are from people who barely draw. It doesn't matter how many years pass if you only draw a few times a year.

>>4330152
thats hard to quantify. i draw all day in a legal pad in my cubical because im taking to customers on the phone fr 8 hours. but i focus on a small sketch for 30 minutes at lunch, and then usually ill get in about another 2 hours at night. id say 6 nights a week. generally in the legal pad i just use a pen, in the small sketch i use pencil, then at night ill start with pencil and then if i want to keep going, ill upload it and do the render digitally. i could go up to 4 hours at night but that isnt the norm.

i dont think quantity is my problem. or if it is, then it isnt gonna get fixed.

>>4327674
shouldve just stuck to pixel art, although that just seems like an edit of an existing sprite from emerald

>>4327868
>>4327877
the devolution part of it is how its gotten stiffer and more lazy, the arms and legs are just copied and flipped and I know shes a robot but shes also a cartoon character so dont tell me thats why the gestures so bad

>>4329665
Do you draw those pics from reference?

>>4330275
yes, but what i used to do was get a few women's pictures posing at the same angle and use all of them as reference for one sketch, so im not making a one to one copy. im just drawing a female face rather than any female in particular, but recently ive dropped the ego a bit and for the sake of trying to hone in my precision, ive been trying to draw exactly whats in front of me. pic related

Focus on improving your drawing skills instead of the coloring/lighting.

>>4329665
why the fuck are you posting years out of order you nigger
you gave me a headache holy shit

>>4327634
>>4327674
People don’t tell you this but you have to not be mentally disabled to improve

>>4327674
I find it very hard to believe that he made that pixel art in 2004

>>4330348
He didn't. It's an edit of the couples sprite from Pokemon RSE.

Most of these people probably stopped drawing, and picked it back up several years later. Then did this after 2 weeks of practice. Either that or just legit autism.

>>4330341
>posting the retcon
Also technically this proves even a retard can improve. Not by much, almost not at all, but still.

>>4329665
gesture/construction, any figure drawing book, work on your gestures and get critiques on them, then work on your mannequins, your anatomy and so on. Also I'd throw in some proportional practice in isolation(learning to draw what you see so you can see your errors), which is just copying things with accuracy like the upside down picasso using a pen.

>>4330354
Unbased

>>4327634
practise your fundies
take the loomispill but unironically
take the huston pill even harder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>4330053
I FOUND IT ANON

>>4330538
lol you were right. the drawings did get better too but that's hilarious

>>4330538
This guy really improved in all the right places.

>>4330538
Based.

>>4327634
A year between each

>>4327676
It gives me the warm fuzzies that my post is included in the screenshot

>tfw no matter how shit these people are, they're still better than the majority of /ic/
L O L

>>4328457
False, not even autism, I once met a speg who could draw realistic animals like a pro

>>4329177
Bruh, people tell kids good job beause they're not old enough to handle criticism, not because they don't know what real art is.

>>4330844
I think he's talking about it would better to tell kids "Wow, I really like how you used the color pink in this drawing" or "dayum, nigga, that's one fluffy cloud, well done", rather than a generic "nice drawing" or "good job". Don't tell them what you dislike about their drawing, tell them what you like about it.

>>4328462
"studies" is codeword for "memorization" if you have a bad memory you are fucked.

>>4327676
>can't draw for 11 years and not improve

13 and counting, though I am mostly just recreating cartoon screenshots noways until they look exactly the same, that the only way I know I am doing it correctly.

>>4328457
I'm autistic and it lets me create pretty nice drawings by being obsessive over perfection and improvement.

>>4330735
Come on now anon, you know thats not true., these people are far worse then ic.

>>4330658
He just gets more and more addicted to meth each year

>>4330538
>2016
How big her tits now

>>4330735
ex-fuckn-scuse me? have you even seen my kangaroo?

>>4328216
Did they use the exact same lineart and have been solely focusing on color?

>>4330121
That's the whole point. To admire his perfect art and realize you'll never be as good as him

>>4327713
I would like to have fingers in my fingers

>>4327674
Another year, another post of my art on 4chan
>>4330206
>although that just seems like an edit of an existing sprite from emerald
Well Ruby/Sapphire and Fire Red/Leaf Green to be exact, Emerald wasn't out yet when I made that edit. I did do a bunch of other sprite edits since then, I just didn't include them on this art progress image or post them on DA. I basically kept doing them until Pokémon stopped using sprites outside of the menus.

>>4332135
Have you kept drawing since 2010?

>>4332146
Yes

>>4332189
Have you done anything with shading (cell shading or otherwise)?

>>4332192
The issue with shading is that I'm left handed but do my colouring with a mouse. I do want to at some point get a tablet of some kind and learn how to use one of those. Once that happens I can feel comfortable trying shading. Also art is just a hobby for me, I draw because I enjoy it and while I certainly want to improve I don't want prioritizing it to get in the way of other things I like.

>>4332211
You can still do cell shading with a mouse by using the pen tool

>>4330088
its called dunning kruger effect. its affects everything and everyone.

>>4327634
wait i recognize this artist

>>4327690
>>4330538
Artist sources?

>>4327877
>>4327868
... and that reveals your level of skill. Everything has gotten progressively worse, to the point I question if some troll didn't just change the order of the images.

Sure the style changed, but the choices became more amateurish:
Increasing amount of gradients and painting techniques used by people new to digital, down to the lazy copy pasted legs, arms and twintails.
He went from dynamic shapes, confident lines and beautiful colors to stiff lifeless pose, wobbly lines with terrible overuse of color dodge.

>>4327636
No

>>4332211
How long were you in art college for?

>>4332235
I use my mouse with my right hand.
>>4332611
I never went to an art college. The college mentioned in my old art progress image wasn't art focused, I did have art class in secondary school though.

>>4332729
Have you ever done any sort of formal practice like going for an art book or whatnot? In other words, have you ever tried Loomis?

Thanks for answering all these questions btw!

>>4332745
Nothing formal no. I've looked at some art books but it varies how useful they can be based on the way they're worded. Also some were "how to draw anime" books which I'm sure people can agree aren't actually helpful at all.

>>4332189
Do you have a discord bro?

Came here to smile but reality is cruel

>>4332729
What hand you use is irrelevant, I don't know if you have ever used the pen tool, but it creates curves which you just adjust instead of drawing them yourself. It's mostly used for vector art, but you can just use it for cell shading as well.

>>4327717
>tfw 06 could actually go somewhere

>>4327634
this person's art seems so familiar...

>>4332135
How old are you by now? Why haven't you tried to improve your humans? Like that ash ketchum, akwardly skewed to the right, you don't have a cellphone to take a photo of a sketch? Mouse is alright to trace over a pen an paper drawing, keep drawing but try some studying

>>4327713
>he got worse
>the shading is better in 2009
>the figure looks better in 2009
>4 fucking years
>he got worse
H O W

>>4336138
he didn't get worse
he just so happened to make a better drawing in 2009
I would bet good money that there was no attempt at understanding fundamentals and practicing

>>4332780
>I've looked at some art books but it varies how useful they can be based on the way they're worded.
You can't say with how bad you are at drawing. You haven't improved in 15 years

>>4327674
This one is so weird because that first Ash drawing in 2004 is actually a really cute first drawing, especially if someone's a kid.
And then we see the tragedy that followed.

This is what hapens when you "just draw"

behold, my most embarrasing "draw this again". Recently redrew this and it turned out better, thank god lmaoo

>>4330103
this has to be a troll account unless this is stolen. i seen this account months ago and its reputation but never thought this would pop up in that pile.

>>4332135
Try to do some original pixels sometime. There's quite a number of people who do exclusively pokemon. May take some time but you can get the hang of it. Current WIP. Not the best of processes I've done, slow as molasses but I'm just rolling through.

I find it hard to believe that this is the real progress

>>4336830
The old one is unironically more appealing

>>4336967
I know lmaoo it really hurt when I realized I hadn't really gotten better in 2 years, which makes sense now, as I just turned my brain off every time I started drawing lmao

Here's the newest version, btw definitely not where I wanna be, but at least I've got solid evidence I've improved a bit

>>4336981
so turning ur brain off helps? ive suspected tht to work but never had the balls to try it fully

>>4330103
jesus crhist

>>4336817
No. This is what happens when you just draw the same thing over and over without ever examining your own work.

You should still just draw far more than worrying about HOW you draw. That's why people say it. To break you from endless prep work, over analysis and distraction

>>4336995
ah, nah nah nah between 2012 and 2014, I wouldn't think when I drew, which meant even though I was drawing like crazy, I wouldn't learn anything. Now if I wanna decompress, I just doodle, but if I'm actually working, I gotta think about "where would this shadow hit? How would this flow? How does gravity affect this?" etc etc

>>4336138
I think the reason most of these are worse in the after picture is because the artist doesn't know what the fuck they are doing.
All the things he DID get right were a fluke, hense the fact that it's his favorite picture.

Then even years later when he tries to replicate it, he can't even do that, because he knows literally nothing about drawing, and just got a few things right that one time through sheer luck.

He has never studied fundies and probably only draws Sonic characters from imagination 5-10 times a year, but expects to improve anyways simply because he's getting older.

>>4335795
I'll keep it in mind.
>>4336133
A few questions here
>How old are you by now?
31
>Why haven't you tried to improve your humans?
I have but knowing what needs to improve is one thing, figuring out the how is another.
>you don't have a cellphone to take a photo of a sketch?
I'm not sure I get this question. I do have a mobile phone yes.
>>4336490
I disagree but the ways I've improved stand out more to me than an outside observer. My methods have changed and I've made small improvements. I'm fine making slow progress because as I've said in other threads art is just one of my hobbies, if I focused too much on it it would impact my other interests and get in the way of just drawing for fun which would only make me loose focus anyway defeating the entire purpose. I need to be in a position when I can feel comfortable putting more focus into improvement and until then the little changes that stand out more to me are fine.
>>4336766
It's not really a tragedy. While yes I flat out admit there were years where I barely did that much drawing but that was mostly because of my focus shifting towards various different interests and taking different courses at college. By the last year of that image I've met several great friends who had an important impact on my life.
>>4336953
I have tried it a few times back when I was doing sprite edits more frequently. I wasn't very good at it but at some point I would like to give it another shot.

>>4332189
Has anyone ever suggested to you that you may have some kind of mental disability?

Are you just lazy? How often do you draw?

>>4337035
>if I focused too much on it it would impact my other interests and get in the way of just drawing for fun which would only make me loose focus anyway defeating the entire purpose. I need to be in a position when I can feel comfortable putting more focus into improvement and until then the little changes that stand out more to me are fine.

The lies we tell ourselves.

What are your other hobbies?

>>4337042
>Has anyone ever suggested to you that you may have some kind of mental disability?
I have autism
>Are you just lazy?
Sometimes but often it's procrastination or other things that get in the way.
>How often do you draw?
It varies. Sometimes it's almost every day of a month, other times I don't draw anything for a month.

>>4337045
Watching TV shows, watching movies, playing video games and just spending time with my friends who have similar interests. All things I can and have fallen behind on just as much as I have with my art. So many shows I'm behind on or haven't started, weeks where I don't watch any movies, video games I haven't finished or started and friends I rarely see or haven't seen in years.

>>4337060
>Consuming media is a hobby.

You are refusing to do something productive for and better yourself so you can spend more time watching tv. You don't see any problem with that?

>>4337060
Those aren’t hobbies. I recommend you find a literally productive hobby (one that you make things, aka writing, art, programming, etc). Just consuming isn’t healthy

>>4337035
>Mobile Phone
>31
Nice try boomer

>>4337111
The definition of a hobby is
>an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure
So yes they are hobbies. And they're not my only hobbies, just the most notable examples. Tabletop gaming, collecting Pokémon cards, reading (though I'm really behind on that), writing and going to conventions are other examples along with the one you already knew about which is drawing.

>>4336981
Do you have any other work?

>>4337123
Your a 31 year old man trying to give every excuse in the book as to why you still draw like a 16 year old. Just admit your dog shit at art and move on. I guarantee you fucking tell people all the time that your and artist/writer. I hate sharing a hobby with people like you.

>>4337130
I'm just answering questions. And your guarantee is way off.

>>4337130
Don’t bully a literal autist. He can’t help it.

>>4337138
Are you actually satisfied with your current art level? Do you really not want to improve? If I were you, I’d make sure to get good just so I could prove the bullies wrong

>>4337129
yeah my guy, @MistletoesArt for SFW, and @ToesNSFW for sexy stuff

>>4337144
I do want to improve, I just don't mind my progress being slow.

>>4329599
They would just hire other asias

I want to believe these are all made by the same person.

>>4327636
fpbp

>>4337088
>>4337111
Not him, but why is it so vital to produce instead of consume?

im so fucking thankful to have left this forum and just from time to time check in to remember why.

fucking crabs

>>4337448
See you tomorrow

>>4327634
not be mentally handicapped?

>>4336138
trust me and we will escape from the cityyyyy

>>4336830
If you ignore the legs then I honestly think the 2014 shows that there was a lot of improvement. Probably just an unlucky execution of the particular piece (or the old one was lucky)

>>4337411
I think it is something primal, if you produce something then maybe that something could increase your chances of survival or make you more attractive towards the other sex.

>>4337654
I forgot to add that because of this, you feel more happy and fulfilled with producing rather than only consuming.

>>4330103
>27
>blading already
>looks like a 40 year old
>5k posts
how

>>4331111
I'm a autist retard gang to. Just don't fell on the confort zone trap, I like doing the same fucking things repeatetly but I try to avoid it in my drawings. so yeah, there is pros and cons and the spectrum is to wide to generalize.

>>4337411
>but why is it so vital to produce instead of consume?

is not vital. but is literally more productive you tard

>>4337144
dont give autists that kind of shit man they're nowhere near his level

>>4337467
hi, same evening actually

>>4336961
Noooo japanese artists are always good at drawing. This must be a westerner who is larping.
DELETE THIS.

>>4337411
To prove you exist.

>>4332189
honestly the one on the right isn't so bad. The long sleeves hide the thick arms. Just needs longer legs and trying something little different with the eyes. Like get rid of the brown and make them all black instead and work it from there.

>>4337658
Low t beta šoy boys consoom too much šøy and masturbate too much and likes to coom.

>>4327634
>Don't draw for an entire decade.
>Didn't magically get better

>>4330103
>Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?

>>4338449
>Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.

>>4336961
b-but japanese artists can do no wrong.

>>4338287
>>4338530

nah mate, japanese people are humans and as humans we all flaws. Accept that japs aren't the fabled gods among men you folks claim they are.

>>4330538
>chanta
bluemouseleaving.gif

Jesus, this thread makes me anxious af

>>4338551
grab your loomis and go draw faggot

>>4330103
noooo, not this autist again

>>4338449
>>4338496
he says in his bio that he is autistic. its an autistic 30 year old who lives with his mom, probably cant hold a normal job and just draws pictures because it keeps him out of trouble. i was thinking about this today... how many times have i beaten off? im sitting there for several minutes looking at the screen, doing the same thing i did yesterday and the day before. the only difference is, he catalogs it. who knows maybe he blows a load, maybe not. im not passing judgment, just making an observation. different strokes for different folks. may peace be upon yee kody boi

>>4328104
And broke the leg for good measure

>>4330103
I feel like I've seen the face of God now.

>>4327919
*manga an sheeit

>>4330103
This is the human condition summed up in one image.

>>4337051
I just want you to know I fucking hate you and I hope you die what the fuck is wrong with you

>>4328222
No need to be anxious, they aren't interested in drawing. They're interested in building a community of sorts with their characters, and drawing is an accessory to that.

This is not a wrong thing to do, but it's not what anyone on /ic/ is doing either. When you draw/see a shitty piece, you think it's shit and try to see how you can improve it. If you do this enough, you improve. Things like natural talent and neuroplasticity aren't end-all be-all factors, they only give you minor boosts unless you're a one-in-a-million super mutant like Stephen Wiltshire. But when DA people draw a shitty piece, they don't think about the piece, they think about the validation and support they get from their online community.

Imagine a literal imageboard where all text is banned and you can only post images. Would shitposters on that board become god-tier artists after ten years of drawing? No, they would be bad at drawing and really fucking good at image-based shitposts.

>>4328222
>>4328457
>>4330776
>>4337689

The majority of 4ch and imageboard users in general are autistic themselves, and are very self-aware of that because they tend to understand what autism is, there are incredible autistic artists in pretty much every single art category and profession that you look for, I would be surprised to find a non-autistic drawfag in the world by now.

When it comes to the topic of this thread, the problem is not that they are autistic, the problem is that due to various factors they refuse to admit that what they draw is shit, and being autistic can contribute to that, autistics are very passionate in what they make, they see that their work is always perfect.

Never having contact with serious art communities and drawing on DeviantArt echo-chambers filled with fellow spergs who always praise them and draw just like they do is a huge contributor, but I also blame shitty parenting for someone to turn out like this, bad upbringing + social isolation + autism and you have this combo which results in shit seen on this thread, >>4329177 makes a good observation.

Another observation is that these people seem to only draw for fun, so they don't actually care about drawing to start with, like >>4339295 and >>4328318 said, they didn't spend all of those hours, days, months, and years of their lives learning art through professional artbooks to become full-time illustrators or to release a comic, they just wanted to live their NEET lives watching Cartoon Network, playing vidya, jerking off, and then occasionally drawing all that awful shit as a hobby ad nauseam.

Also counting the fact that they are only interested in extremely infantile cartoony shit made for kids under the age of 12, they already start learning "anatomy" with Total Drama Island, Sonic, Pokémon, and outdated weebshit, so they already started learning art the wrong way.

Instead of reading this thread with anxiety, read it as a great example of what you are not supposed to do.

>>4339792
Retard autist here.
>I would be surprised to find a non-autistic drawfag in the world by now.
What do you mean by that? Every pro artist I met are socially adept and they seems all normal to me. But I'm in the spectrum, so maybe I can't even see that.

>Instead of reading this thread with anxiety, read it as a great example of what you are not supposed to do.
In my case, I still read this with a lot of anxiety. I fear every moment that I am delusional like them and I don't even know it. Maybe I can see their flaws but not mine, I fear being in an echochamber. I try to improve in every drawing I do but still. By my experience, I had weird delusion socially, what I though was normal was completly retarded. I thought I spoke normal, but I had weird querks, filler word or I don't finish my phrases but in my mind is all normal. When I found out that I was a retard (non verbal spectrum) I lived with fear of desilusion.

The only thing that kept me sane is my job and being an functional adult. At least I'm doing something right.

>>4339832
>I thought I spoke normal, but I had weird quirks, filler word or I don't finish my phrases but in my mind is all normal
That's not non-verbal autism, you probably have a milder form. The way to cope with it is to practice mindfulness. Everyone gets a "here's what society's unexpected rules are" booklet at around puberty, but your copy was stolen, so you'll have to learn these on your own. One thing to learn first is Dunning-Kruger, which you seem to have, so good for you.

Anyway, artist community is like scientist community, there are plenty of normal well-adjusted people but they're also exceptionally welcoming towards weirdos. Despite all the hate they get around here, SJWs are also good for that sort of thing, they have a new social contract that says "I'll welcome your weirdness if you welcome mine". If you're a weirdo, it's not a bad tradeoff.

>>4339864
I'm diagnosed with non-verbal tho' I didn't speak until 10-11, but i really have no fucking idea and i don't care.
>Everyone gets a "here's what society's unexpected rules are" booklet at around puberty, but your copy was stolen
this a cool way to explain it, thanks anon.

I really don't care if i'm a weirdo or other people cares, and clearly no one give a shit. I just want draw shit, improve, not being delusional, and make a living with drawings that i like to do.

>>4327919
Where are their pronouns?

>>4339901
My bad, I thought you were talking to people in a stunted way and they diagnosed you with non-verbal over it. If you didn't speak until ten, then yeah, that's non-verbal autism.

The silver lining is that art has a low correlation with g-factor, so even if you have mental/social impediments in other areas, art is your best shot at dealing with the shit hand you've been given. Just stick to tested-and-true advice and you'll see improvement.

>>4337051
My brother is a bit mentally retarded but he'd lie on the floor and draw bird's views of cities and villages all day long. He's in his mid-30s and still sucks at art as much as he always did. He's a joyful lad doing whatever makes him happy. Who the fuck cares if you're not going to be the next big internet artist, other than /ic/cels?

>>4330538
the tits are proportional to the skill level

Not improving is bad but devolving is even worse

10 years of improvement

>this fucking thread
How can you not improve in 8-10 years, either you didn't draw or have some mental problems. The worse are the ones who can't even copy from references

>>4327740
Well the coloring and shading is certainly better but the anatomy is just not that impressive

>>4328165
Well to me that seems like an actual professional distorting proportions for stylistic reasons
I don't see the point you're trying to make by comparing them to that DA artist

>>4340517
>anatomy got better
>lines are more confident
>eyes got better
>overall the drawing got more appealing
>it didn't take a decade to achieve all of this
I think you didn't get the sense of this thread

>>4340517
This is actual improvement over a short period of time

>>4340517
Is this post ironic?

>>4341258
i find the pic on the right a lot less appealing. the eyes got better? no, they look uncanny. and i like how you can tell the """anatomy""" got better when all that’s showing is the neck and upper chest. if you think about it her anatomy got worse because the eyes are now disproportionate to the head and the neck is too long.

>>4341164
Oh Christ oh Fuck
I'm terrified of this happening to me

>>4341290
This can only happen if you have bad taste.

>>4341292
Kinda like this guy >>4341281

>>4341292
>>4341295
I really like the late JoJo artstyle. How fucked am I?

(no, I'm not the /Beg/ who kept spamming this board with JoJolion fan art)

>>4327690
more of her crap

>>4341295
it looks like shit and it was probably you posting your own art looking for ass kissing

>>4341281
>i find the pic on the right a lot less appealing.
Ok this is clearly bait but
>the eyes got better? no, they look uncanny.
Yes the contrast in left pick is too high and pupils are basically just sketched
>and i like how you can tell the """anatomy""" got better when all that’s showing is the neck and upper chest.
If you can't tell what's wrong in the first picture about torso anatomy, you probably don't know how human body works
>if you think about it her anatomy got worse because the eyes are now disproportionate to the head and the neck is too long
That's because in stylized drawing people tend to exaggerate some traits, in this case the artist is trying to achieve the cute/kawaii/anime style, so usually eyes are bigger and mouth smaller(this some psychology stuff)

>>4329665
The only problem is your organizational skills, wtf mate

>>4328190
Kekkk

>>4341300
gross

>>4328198
that's actually much better on the right

>>4342658
But it's not nearly enough improvement for 6 years

>>4341164
These are both ugly and equivalent in skill to me

>>4327690
the first one was the most dinamic, the second one had the best sense of form, the third one is the worst looking so far but it has nicer colors i suppose?

>>4327660
The problem is that these people don’t study. They don’t know what they are doing so they never improve

This man has been drawing longer than I’ve been alive

Why do people do this

>>4342879
It's not so much a regression as it is a change in style, but holy fuck. It lost all sense of form, flow and gesture. Even the stylized anatomy cannot explain the trainfuck of a mindwreck that is the arms on the newer piece.

How did such a talented artist turn to such shit?

>>4342879
This is just depressing.

>>4342879
She also has another redraw

Worst part is she really had potential but just kinda threw it away

>>4342875
link?

>>4336941
he isn't a troll, you can go add him on FB if you want

>>4327947
dont fight pwease i love everyone here equally

>>4328197
please tell me left is the new one

>>4341164
first one was actually p cute if u fixed the weird arms

>>4341299
>I really like the late JoJo artstyle. How fucked am I?
not much desu, just make sure to practice anatomy from outside of araki and maybe do some more gestures to avoid the ocassional blockyness in the part 7/8 artstyle and you are kosher

>>4342917
i actually really like this one

>>4336961
i can't believe they put before and after in katakana. that's disappointing.

this thread is depressing but you know lots of people do improve. just do a search on DA for draw this again and sort by popular all time

>>4344166
another

>>4344168
maybe the best one altho they had 23 years i sure hope youd improve by then

>>4330103
He looks like the spitting image of the Amerimutt meme too
He is surely too based to exist