/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Tried to pull off a fashion doodle in less than a hour without planning the concept and only using a pen
>>4299060
I really like the expression

Trying to figure something out, if you wanted to paint a surface that wasn't just one flat color (it has a symbol drawn on it, for example) how would you apply light and shadow to these separate colors to make them seamlessly look as though they are on the same surface?

In pic related I rendered the green surface first and then added the pink thing on a separate layer. In order to make the pink look like it was a part of the surface I locked the layer's opacity and tried my best to paint on darker colors that lined up with the shadow on the green surface. Obviously not the most accurate way to do it, which is why I'm asking for help.
I used to use multiply layers as a quick fix but that comes with its own baggage and annoyances, so I want to learn how to do it properly.

>>4299159
Literally just value

>>4299159
Adding a new layer and shading it won't do the trick?

>>4299166
hue changes as well

>>4299166
I see what you mean, I turned it to grayscale and it looks like the values don't match up. So all I would have to do is make sure the values are exactly the same between the two colors, assuming the light is hitting them both in the same way?
I'm a bit confused though, because I know certain hues have different natural values. but I don't know if I'd need to take that into account here.

>>4299167
I'm not sure if you mean adding the symbol on a new layer and then shading the symbol on its own to make it look as though it's a part of the surface (which is what I tried to do in my first post), or make a new layer and applying the various colors of the shadows there. I tried the latter on the bottom half of pic related, although I'd have to get used to paying attention to my edges a bit more.

>>4299174
I do vary my hues, but I'm not asking about how to render a surface in general, I'm asking about rendering a surface that is made up of different colors

>>4299232
I mean adding a new layer and making details that will overlap both layers. Like shadow. Light. Texture. Etc.

>>4299246
Oh, I see. I did mention in my original post that I typically use multiply layers for shadows, though I also use a bunch of other layer modes too, for various purposes. I can technically keep doing that, but I want to be able to complete a painting using only (or at least mostly) normal layers. I think gaining the skill to do that will just make me a better artist overall. Otherwise I'd continue to rely on crutches without being able to pick good shadow and light colors on my own and whatnot.

>>4299270
I was thinking more of a layer with details like the marks in this armor.

>>4299283
Sorry, I get what you're saying now. That's a smart way of doing it, adding in details over iterations, but what I meant was somehting like this, what if the armor had streaks of red paint on it. Like how would the red change as the surface of the armor curved away from the light, in contrast to how the original brownish gray would change. Pic looks strange but you get the idea of what I was trying to say.

I guess I'll get there by just experimenting more and trying to paint as well as I can. I might just not be skilled enough to ask questions properly

>>4299283

you gonna have to paint that in. or find a texture brush for metal scratches.

>>4299329
Well I'm still glad that I got my point across. I suck at explain

Did this for a "draw this in your style" thread the other night but it got deleted, tried a bit of colour experimentation over a scanned micron and marker image in Photoshop. Thought I'd post it here.

>>4298796
Great study. Your sense of colour is really accomplished
>>4299060
I feel like you have some really strong values but I'd maybe watch how sharp the gradient of the light on the head is. Makes the forehead look a little too blocky. Maybe it's just me but it's slightly too sharp.
>>4299136
Nice concept, feels like you might have rushes the arms toward the end. They feel a little lackluster compared to the rest of the drawing.
>>4299159
In my experience trying to blend colour on multiple layers is over complicating things. Try using different opacity of brushes or different passes. You should be able to recreate the kind of look your aiming for on a single layer.
The examples of the metal armour below can be done first using a soft light on a brush to get the murky gradient of the metal and then adding finishing touches using a hard light pass on a brush for the contrasting light and dark of the hard reflective light and deep shadow.
I'm still learning layers myself but I always fuck things up when I try to layer colour across multiple layers.

frog time

>>4299440
good stuff
i like the bees. cute.

final /tg/ request for a while

>>4298468
My reference photo was blurry so any criticism would be much appreciated to get this too look right.

>>4298796
Beautiful colour work,I like your style though I do think a few lighter tints could be added to the wet branches

>>4299060
Beautiful partial portrait. The harsh lighting on her face is very interesting, I do wish it carried onto the body.

>>4299136
Considering the limitations you set for yourself you did a nice job, cross hatching instead of just hatching and keeping in mind your form when adding line could help to render fabric a little more soft looking.

>>4299440
Jazzy! You can feel the energy, do not be afraid to let things go off of the edge.

>>4299453
This is a great great example of successful foreshortening, your legs do look like they were less focused on.

>>4299461
I pretty much did 70% of it in a coffee place with one pen and I was trying to set a style I could duplicate again tomorrow with the same limitations but thanks!

Any advice on where to tighten the forms/values before I begin inking?

>>4299468
the cats face looks really rough, id focus on that before starting inking

>>4299468

left arm looks really awkward

Progress on a fake boogeroo. Not aure if I should put another cherub or something in the bottom right

quicky.
came out ok.

>>4299491

I don't think you necessarily need any more cherubs. Maybe in the top left to complete the backwards S-movement you're getting with the figures? (Yes I know of the letter Z). Anyways, leave some room for the eye to rest.

BTW. I fucking hate you. This is lovely.

smiley gal

Tell me what you think

>>4299890
probably the only good-ish one youve made.

you still ruin your pictures with the shitty "777" and those preschooler buildings in the background but i dont want to throw up while looking at this one so its a step in the right direction.

>>4299904
Thx

Can't tell if dog, deer or rat

Jesus fucking Christ
why is it always so much shit all over the place with me?
I start with a small picture and it ends up being all bloated and over the top

>>4300345
There isn't too much shit, you just haven't organised your composition. Have one central character who is the largest in the peice, and then have each other character with less rendered detail (contrast) and prominence.

done

>>4300367

pupils need to much bigger. lol

>>4300407
lol

>>4300345
I don't know what you were trying to achieve with this but it's very clear the right figure is a porn reference

Just got back to drawing after a long while. But i think this look pretty neat for a snap chat drawing

Trying to win a local contest with this but I'm not 100% about the composition.
Any suggestions D/ic/ks?

>>4299491
the left side feels strangely empty, like theres an invisible wall there. planning to add something there?

my best creation of 2020 so far

>>4298468
I'm new to digital art and have literally never used color or studied value, I've only done line art like a total shitter

what do I do now

>>4300817
>>4298468
forgot pic

>>4300820
>>4300817
Fuck off back to /beg/, retard. If you cant figure out what you're doing wrong then literally kill yourself

>>4300820
its pretty cool.
i dont know color lol.
add more detail.

>>4299583
fixed it a bit.
back fin thin was off

>>4300821
literal fucking piece of shit

>>4300820 dont listen to him, your art is pretty dope already

>>4300821
pyw you piece of shit

>>4300795
looks good

>>4300345
You just need to think about composition while placing extra figures in, and maybe lay off on detail in less important areas, then it will be fine

>>4301034
blog?

>>4301218
twitter @shallowsea9 I took a break from drawing so it's pretty empty

does anyone else make laser sounds with each stroke as they draw? mind you i do this 5-6 hrs. lol.

>>4300345
I agree with: >>4300346

I do the same thing a lot of the time, start with something smart and simple and add shit until it's too much. It's possible to make it work you just have to organize it better.

If I remember I'll do a quick paint over tomorrow

>>4300821
no crabs aloud!

>>4300820
Good composition and values, but it's clear you need to work on anatomy

You mean this one?

>>4300412
>>4301172
>>4301352
>>4300346
I cropped it and it looks less overwhelmed now I think watch ya think?
I think I should blur the background

>>4300690
this is really fucking great.

started this one today!

>>4300820
I really like it , you just need to improve your anatomy.

>>4301729
wtf is even going on in the picture?

>>4301729
id like to take this opportunity as a reminder to everyone that you cannt rely on references for everything and you have to develop some imaginative skills in order to keep the scene consistent in terms of style, perspective and light

>>4301794
its sirens fighting argonauts

but i wanted to make sirens look more human like amazons who just like to pirate sailors

>>4301818
This, I can't stop looking at that one that's obviously riding a fucking dildo and spanking her ass. OP you should use references but you need to be loose with it and mix and match to keep things consistent.

>>4301823
oh, I think you need to rework it a lot to make it look light a fight is taking place
>>4301829
>>4301818
and as these posts indicate you need to make the entire image coherent and not a patchwork of jarringly different references, especially not obvious porn ones

>>4301862
no I think I should drop this shit and do something else it's clearly hopeless right now i'm tired of it

>>4301952

Sorry to say this but I'm with this guy. I honestly don't think you're going to be able to make this work and I'm really not trying to be mean here. Just trying to save your time.

I've often taken on projects that are too ambitious or way beyond my skill level and I've had to drop those after working on them for over 50h. You don't want to do that.

Try doing a single character in a cool pose instead. Having a simple image that looks good is way better than having a complex one that doesn't work.

Kill your darlings.

Struggling to imagine the skeleton underneath.

some recent stuff

>>4302467
Heads way too big, rememeber your proportions, shoulder to shoulder is about 3 heads wide and the torso is 2-2.5 heads tall.

I'm new to pixel art, can someone guide me on how to improve?

Still on the ugly phase, I have some color studies of the figures if you want to see them

>>4301751
Thanks anon. Hopefully I win and finally get some money Out of my art

>>4300690
>>4302622

I really like all the flat shape design but I really think you should get rid of all the squiggly lines and outlines apart from the old dude in the top right. Better to keep with a strong visual language. There was this one dude on /ic/ who did similar stuff but I can't find his work so I'm posting something from Peleng.

New to drawing so would love all the help you can give me!

>>4302623
>soft, worried beta male eyes
this kills the illustration.

>>4302681
>New to drawing

yeah.. bs.
i can tell

>>4303025
Traditionally, Japanese sandals and socks are split in the toe area (big toe <-> rest of 'em).

>>4299958
please stop being confident, this board is not kind to positive people

>>4303072
lol I jus noticed that. Thx.

>>4299491
i'd love to see more of your work, it's lovely. do you have a website?

Spent the last couple days doing color passes on this thing over and over. I combed over some other artists' pics to see how they achieved their vibrant looks and in the end I think the whole process is more intuitive for me now, but there's still some stuff I need to correct.
What exactly is it that makes an image dull or vibrant? My goal isn't really realism but juicy colors, so more than anything I want to avoid picking combinations of colors that make the thing look dead

>>4303721
left arm bicep should be facing forward not sideways

>>4303721
Weak anatomy. But nice otherwise.

charcoal

Help me bros, I don't know what i should do from now. Maybe you can guide me or tell me what should i read, study, watch to push it to finish state.

>>4304254
For starters, that background needs to be lighter and your contrast needs to get fixed. Its too blown out.

>>4304255

>>4303015
waht do you mean

>>4304271
Anyway do you think im able to improve and start working as character designer/illustrator in like 1-2 years?
I got good job curtently but it pushes me in missery and hopless statement. Im 25y tho.

>>4304342
Those are two entirely different career paths. Character design has a heavy emphasis on, well, design principles. You don't have to make it look polished, you're expected to get work out quickly, and focus on making interesting designs. So its all anatomy, costume study, color theory/psychology and design principles there. This market is also pretty fucking saturated and nepotism runs rampant so you have to network and get all buddy-buddy with other artists that might recommend you for gigs they don't want, or people who might be your boss some day. The issue with character design is its becoming more common for the artist to sculpt it in a 3d modeling program, so you may need to learn zbrush.

Illustration requires much more knowledge and polish for your work, and is much harder to study for and execute well. However there's more work to do especially if you're good at what you do. If you want to do both jobs, you should study more for illustration and learn the few extra skills for character design.

Also age doesn't matter, nobody cares as long as you're good. Learn your fundies and practice every day. I don't know about getting there in 1-2 years, it really depends on how much focused study you do and if you have anyone who's pro level to give you critiques and tips or mentor you.

>>4304187
cool stuff.
you posted in the last thread... Brutus?

>>4304254
Go back a few steps. No amount of ornate detailing can hide a bad silhouette and posture. Nail the larger shapes and ideas first before adding details on top.

Style choices aside, too many undefined, pillowy shadow shapes make the face lumpy, and create disagreement with the contour.

Anatomy is super fucked, the perspective is weird as shit, rim lighting is very sad... However, I think I did something bretty cool, anyone agree or disagree?

>>4304557
I agree. I like what you've done with the clouds. Maybe you should do a full landscape, no characters.

>>4304467
Thanks. Yeah, that was more of a sketch. I spent a little more time on this one and tried another pencil (FC Pitt natural charcoal) in addition to the willow charcoal

>>4304580

nicely rendered.

>>4304319

i meant you're not a beginner.
i like it though.

>>4304557

You're right on all points but I think it's kind of neat too. The perspective is definitely fucked.

- The castle is really fucked. If it's reaching the sky, those doors and stairs should be ~kilometers away. Actually, from this angle, you wouldn't even be able to see the top of the castle if it's reaching the sky. It would just go out of the image... You could move the castle 5km. further from us and then have it reach the sky but now it's just... Yeah.

- You shouldn't be able to see any individual blades of grass in the BG.

- Be more subtle on your atmospheric perspective so it gets bluer gradually as we go further. Now it's way too abrupt. All the rocks are just plain white and I have absolutely no idea how far away they are.

- Either change the color of the main character or the color of the sky. Having blue on blue doesn't really make any sense here.

Random bro-tip for your anatomy (before you've retained everything by studying):

I'm doing a muscular character sculpt right now and when I need some reference from weird angles and I can't find them in Google, I'll just look at some models that other people have done. You can spin them around and check all your shit from different angles.

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/anatomy-in-action-study-01-8a55729648454e6b9f9169d6222db8da

For example, I found this one that's kinda-sorta similar to your guy... Anyways. Your guy has all kinds of problems. Extra muscles that don't exist among other issues. Use reference bro! Ain't nothing wrong with using reference. I'd love to be able to do everything from imagination but it's not like I'm going to accidentally stumble upon correct anatomy.

something in progress

trying to force myself to paint digitally and learn how to render in 2020, since i've been stuck in my comfort zone of lineart for years

did any of you guys ever hit an "aha" moment where things finally click? i feel like i'm just stumbling through every part of this study lmao

>>4304610
I really appreciate your advice anon! I definitely just bullshitted the anatomy and I should continue studying backs and legs because those muscles still catch me off

>Actually, from this angle, you wouldn't even be able to see the top of the castle if it's reaching the sky
Agreed, I was really struggling to figure out how I can just put something there because it was just so bare without it on the composition. I might actually just completely change that part of the composition because it doesn't sit right with me either way.

>>4304560
>Maybe you should do a full landscape, no characters.
yeah, but I'd rather do that on a new piece

It's early work, but I'm having some trouble with the values and colors. Also the perspective has been giving me a bit of grief, what I get for not using guidelines.

>>4304889
Learn how to simplify your values.
I know, it won't make sense now.
it didn't for me either when I was starting out.

>>4305016
Could you expound a bit. Do you mean simplify in terms of shape language, as that should cut down on the value variety. Ultimately I'm having a tough time with grouping the values between the foreground midground and background, and having those values interact with the lighting and local color.

I usually paint environments in a completely different style, but I just had the sudden urge to doodle some nondescript cozy anime girls (pic related is my 3rd and best attempt). Thought I'd share.

>>4302559
Ongoing

>>4304609
I started like 3 months ago

>>4305042
this is v cute and comfy. have you tried interjecting these sorts of simple anime characters into your environment paintings? Even though they're in different styles, might make for a nice combo. I see a few artists who do a lot of environment practice, toss a random simple character into the mix just to add that little extra spice to the piece.

>>4304484
Not him but the comparison is really resourceful. Did you learn to do this from anywhere specific?

>>4305402
blog?

early days

>>4306005
looks great so far

Rate

>>4304634

>>4304696
start w/ statues or b+w
use hard round and limited palette and work on one tone at a time
you're not doing that bad so far though

>>4306005
i love the palette on this, how did you learn to color?

Just having some fun

>>4306784
really loving this. cool stuff man.

>>4305801
Thank you! I know exactly what you mean and I've thought about it, but haven't done it yet. Partly because my figure drawing/anatomy skills are shit (if the fact that I only drew a bust didn't give it away lol) so I usually avoid characters.

But it's something I want to start doing more of, I just need to actually put in some practice I guess

>>4306010
>>4306300
ty
>i love the palette on this, how did you learn to color?
I don't really know how to color. it uses some niche fundies and a pretty rigorous straight forward process. might make a good blog post. only if the end result actually looks good ofc

Quick and dirty color test.

Will begin work on finished, polished version soon.

>>4307166
I like the texture, but you have too much of it. He looks like he's covered in liver spots. the cloths are fantastic.
>>4307024
There's too much clutter on the table and makes the composition unfocused.. There's a bunch of lovingly rendered stuff that dosn't seem to have a purpose.

>>4307936

you've never been to a laundry mat

>>4307979

take my shekels.
good stuff

>>4298468
Did this poopy croissant at my local urban sketchers chapter meetup

>>4308204
bruh that looks str8 dookie

>>4307987
A, "That's what it looks like though" dosen't make the art better.
B You don't leave your shit unattended in a laundry mat, that shit gets taken or thrown on a dirty ass table in a heap.
the fuck would you fold a shirt, then not leave the fucking laundry mat with it?

>>4308225
I know :(

>>4307936
>lovingly rendered stuff

I wouldn't describe any of what I did on that pic as "lovingly rendered".

currently doing this in clip studio. The clothing is similar to what my swtor sith inq wears ingame

He is my OC. I have a lot of art-styles but this is the most recent. I really want improve :/ . Please give me dime advices. You can see more of my art on Instagram @missaria51

>>4308330
legs are too long, arms are too short, hands are too small, rib cage protrudes forward too much

>>4308336
well that can't be right..its traced from the 3D mannequin that comes with the program. I posed it and drew the outline. Are you saying that the model that literally comes with clip studio is wrong?

>>4308339
im saying it looks like shit

>>4308345
thank you for your input..but I think I'll go with the 3D model in regard to proportional accuracy (to clarify I didn't come up with this from scratch, your critique is going up against what most consider to be an accurate model to use as help :))

>>4308309

ive seen plenty of people put their laundry in the machine and then leave.
sometimes you have to poop.

you might be retarded

>>4308350
you can cope as much as you want but it looks bad

>>4308350
different anon, but I agree that it looks weird, the foreshortening in the arm holding the sword looks wrong.
I'm not saying the 3d model is inaccurate I'm saying you probably traced it wrong, also the other arm also looks very short . It's because it's bent but the lines along her arm aren't really showing that, the same goes for the arm holding the sword the lines look wrong and look smaller than the others even tho they are closer to the camera.

>>4308404
Its traced as accurately as possible..tracing is something a literal three year old can do..the problem is that foreshortening 'sizes' are exaggerated in art. The hand is that size because that is how it actually is if you were to take a photo in the same position. 3D models don't do artistic perspective very well.

>>4308433
here is the model layer...have fun ;)

>>4308404
edit...the hand is obscured by the lightsabers hilt aswell.

>>4308433
I've seen plenty of people fuck up tracing, those lines in the arms don't look accurate to each other at all. The lack of depth makes the other arm look even worse , the boots aren't proportional to each other, the buckle of the buckle seems to be slightly too much to the left, her right boob seems to be much bigger than her left boob but that also could be a optical illusion because I think her top is crooked.

>>4308442
that looks correct, it's your clothing/lines that makes it look all fucked up and weird.

>>4308442
It looks awful in 3D too. That's why artist exaggerate and stylize that type of shit, your model and trace look stiff and uncanny. If you're gonna reference something do it with pictures of real people

>>4308451
I can understand the clothing might be wrong..but you literally cannot fuck up tracing over something. yeah I have problems with circles at angles still. (which is what the lines round the arm are supposed to be, but it can still be easily adjusted)
As for depth it hasn't even been shaded yet.

>>4308452
then why would clip studio use the model at all? It is there for exactly the purpose I used it, and people who sell comics sucessfully use it aswell.

Before I do the lineart I'd like to correct the sketch. Can you help me please?

>>4308442
this is why beginners shouldnt use models, you have absolute no clue how to even pose a good gesture to work with, nor translate it into a drawing without making it look even more uncanny

>>4308504
you are drifting into personal taste over actual critique there. Just because you dislike a particular 'pose' doesn't mean everyone does.
Just accept that you are shit at critiquing and just trolling ic lol!

>>4308480
Use reference, there's no sense in drawing a figure from imagination at your stage, do lots of figure and anatomy studies and you'll improve dramatically

>>4308461
>who sell comics sucessfully use it aswell
and they are all garbage real men just draw

>>4308517
You know what keep doing what you're doing
If I were at your level I'd love getting responses but you're not willing to listen. Yeah some advice is shit but people ARE trying to help you

>>4308433
>>4308442
>Its traced as accurately as possible.

A perfectly traced contour outline with bad rendering and incorrect cross contour lines on the inside still make for a bad, inaccurate drawing. "Correctness" requires an agreement between various elements.

To believe your drawing is correct would be to say that words can be jumbled as long as they fit within the margins of a page.

Ive been working on this for like 30 years now. I can finally say its almost done

I'm kinda poor so I've been using highlighters to make my sketchbook look a bit better. Is there anything that looks off about these doodles or anything?

>>4308654
bruh what the fuck

>>4306754
Love the figure and gesture. Blog?

>>4308654
spending all that time painting the paintings inside your painting is a fucking madlad move

but i approve of the (almost) finished product

>>4308654
I think this might be the best thing I’ve ever seen posted here. well done

>>4308350
It really does look like shit tho

>>4308654
I'm sick of your kitsch

>>4308829

How to draw goofy ass niggas?

>>4308523
That's just what I did... I guess I should practice more poses.

>>4308480
>>4308864

>>4308898
Posting a revision because I pulled a Proko in failing to push the gesture in a drawing that was meant to illustrate how you should focus on gesture.

>>4306784
blog?

what do you think?

>>4308442
>>4308350
>>4308339
>>4308330
Someone screencap this thread.
Perfect example of why gesture drawing is so important and why 3d models will always fall short.

>>4308671
try to incorporate interests that aren't steven universe and gravity falls
right now it's just a rebecca sugar knockoff

>>4308671
Love your style, don't listen to the other retarded anon. My only problem are the eyes really, maybe give them small eyebrows? I think they don't really give any emotion and ruin the otherwise cool drawings.

>>4309591
stop trying to make everything a hugbox you big fucking baby
the art's just too damn derivative
it needs to display a wider range of influences in order to not come off as yet another flavor-of-the-month calarts wankjob
and ignoring "muh style" for aminute, there's plenty else wrong
the anatomy is wonky as fuck, with backwards hands and elongated feets
multiple limbs that aren't the same lengths
bland posing and weak silhouettes
everything is wrong with that boombox at the bottom
zero sense of perspective

>>4309610
learn to use comma brah

>>4308931
Just googled it, @art_mellon.

>>4308898

gesture -> construction -> anatomy

wip
any help for anatomy is appreciated for my sexy doug

>>4309944
Anatomy means jack shit as long as you have an awkward pose like that, what is the creature is supposed to be during?

>>4308654

I really like what you're going for.

The lighting feels a bit drab (Grey shadows etc) and the pose feels stiff and unbalanced

Some practice with a foggy environment.

>>4308654
dude wtf i saw this posted like 4 months ago, youre really still working on it? how much time can a piece take

yo can i get anatomy crit/redline

How do you make nice lines? maybe even with nice weight and all that?

>>4308654
>Reverse image search
>no results
why even try, i could never do this

>>4308654
it's cool to see you take your time with this anon.

hello ic, iv got a weird problem, when i try to paint in greyscale to practice values i get so bored and i feel unmotivated, but when i do it with colors its fun.
do you think im ready for colors or should i force myself
to do stuff like this in greyscale

>>4310557
Grayscale only is a meme. That's why so many people have trouble transitioning into a color. Go ahead anon, you can manage.

>>4310557
Do stuff in color, but check your values by converting to greyscale after you're done

>>4303147
cool shit

>>4300234
>>4303462

good stuff

chest doesnt look broad enough.
otherwise looks very nice

>>4310213
It was inspired by this. However i should have used some kind of "possessed doll" pose for ref, because unbalanced poses are harder to pull off.

Thnks for the advice, i'll start over from scratch, it'll save me time

>>4310958
Good to hear, besides with that much clothing, you can barely see any anatomy anyway, so just worry about the general form and proportion instead,
Outside the pose, the only noticeable problem is the rotation of the foot, while the foot can rotate slightly inward, her foot appears to be about 90 degrees different from her knee.

>>4303301
chroma

>>4308461
>then why would clip studio use the model at all?
Lmao if you couldn't tell the model you used is super disproportionate, then your a fucking /beg/. Your one of the reasons why people just default to "your art is dogshit" because no matter how many people tell you it looks like you don't have a genuine understanding of anatomy, you come up with excuses.

long neck

>>4306300
Done

>>4313282
Values, brother.

I'd highly recommend you practice value comp thumbnails. Pick three key values and then play around with your shapes until it reads as a thumbnail. When you find something you like, go in and render it the way you like, but keep your value structure the same.

Hope it helps. Good luck!

>>4313282
Why the Green outline?

>>4313326
i probably went overboard with it but the last step of pic rel. is adding complementary color

>>4313323
thank you, ill try that when i do value adjustments on it

>>4313340
Now it is hard to tell from a small picture, but other than his outline being thinner, he also only have one outline, while yours have two in some places.

>>4313282
Your outline is way too saturated. When you're working with contrasting colors, one will be more saturated and the other will be desaturated. That's why the character looks almost brown with the green outline. Id suggest desaturating that outline on yours. Also that tutorial was for putting a character on a white background, but you opted for red on red, with the green outline. Not only that but the background is just as bright as the character along with being the same color, another no-no. Please don't rape my eyes next time thanks

WIP. Started this hoping to apply to a card job on artstation with it spearheading my portfolio. I checked today to make sure the job was still there and it was already gone after only being up for 3-4 days. I guess people already had pieces that fit their requirements. debt is piling up, I'm leaving to work a 9 hour shift at wagecuck job. How do you keep the drive alive, anons? Life's getting really shitty and I don't want to be another statistic

Also, C&C. Don't hold back. It has to end up being good even if the job is closed. Thank you, love you all

>>4313391
posting it on here, I can see a dozen mistakes that ruin the picture that I didn't notice until I resized it. I removed the image since its embarrassing but I'll leave the post since the question about keeping the faith and drive in bad times is still something I'd like to hear about

ready to give up

>>4308324
lineweight

>>4313401
:( I wanted to see it

>>4313391
>>4313401
You should do a quick sketch and (You) this post, one that you think accurately shows your best effort while keeping it simple. I’ll give you an honest critique without being an asshole.

Trying to come up with a fun character for an illustration. He's some kind of Fishboi. The armor is going to be semi-organic, reinforced crab shell and fish skin leather... I'mma do a cleaner line pass over this and try to imply some of the materials and details next. Maybe do some accessories and shit as well. I'd love some feedback. I don't really know what I'm doing...

>>4313391

We're in the same boat, brother! I'm doing karaoke hosting and any other shit jobs I can get and it's killing me. Probably going to try getting deeper into 3D this year so I'd have a job that's at least tangential to things I enjoy.

>How do you keep the drive alive

I have no fucking idea...

>>4310443
meet the artist
https://www.artstation.com/themichaelmacrae

>>4308654
dude, honestly, the effort you putted in this is so much NOT worth it. you keep adding those details and overrender everything in your picture. do you even compose shit beforehand?

>>4314036
You need to focus more on proportions, as long as he remains this distorted, nothing will save the image.

>>4314425
what the fuck, i didnt know people who actually make money from art still post on /ic/

>>4313724
>>4313816
>>4313962

Here you go guys. Thank you for the encouragment I'd do the sketch too but I have to run back out for another shift :( I had no time to fix the mistakes with the figures in the background and the lack of focus. there's other things but I can't remember them right now. Will monitor thread on break

There!
I just discovered that I could draw on photoshop ... If any of you have tips about that, it would be highly appreciated

>>4314495
This was reference
>>4314036

>>4314482

put some blood on her face chest and dress. those area are way too clean despite the amount of blood on the lower right of the image.

>>4314672
colours don't really speak to me but I like the subject matter. It's got soul

Worked this out on my new phone with Ibis Paint X. It was an interesting experience.

so whats wrong here

>>4315632
nothing, blog?

>>4315262
hNNNgGGGHHH oh GoDDDD i'M cooOOOOMINNGG

>>4315633
https://www.deviantart.com/mrblack1986

>>4314425
I didn't plan any of it that's why it's a mess. Everything has been a consession based on what I had done before. It all started as a simple portrait.

You might think there's no value in the time spent and I'd be lying if I didn't partially agree with you, but nevertheless I am enjoying it and will be pretty happy when it's done. This has been a bit of an experimential piece.

>>4314550 Sometimes you can get food advice on here, people are pretty honest. Making money doesn't change anything

>>4314636
wow I really can’t see enough wrong with it to critique, it looks really good, that’s all I can say. it just needs a bit more polish, maybe someone who knows more about composition could give a better critique.

>>4315262
never skip feet and hands day

how's it look so far?

>>4315809
Why is her head so damn small? Its like looking at Tony Stark poking his head out of the hulkbuster armor lmao

>>4315819
i just don't want to draw those giant heads they all have ,also i gave her giant boobs

>>4315822
You also have her giant arms legs torso and ass for the head size, niglet. Don't excuse it by the boobs. And she doesn't have to have a mega huge sanic head, it just needs to be big enough to be proportional to the body. Count how many heads tall that beast is. Its fucking comical

>>4315832
first language
second i see what you mean now 10 head tall bout to fix that

>>4315832
that work or still to small ?

>>4315838
Fuck you I use whatever fucking language I want. Thanks for actually fucking counting the fucking heads though, niglet. Fuck.

>>4315844
It's in the human to demigod range of head heights now, and out of hulkbuster range. Much less freaky looking.

nien language

its a sonic character always freaky looking ,should I keep the moon ? it's form SA2

>>4315378
I want her to impregnate me

>>4315869
she doesn't have a dick

>>4298468
Anyone else play Darkest Dungeon? The crimson court dlc is building quite the emotional stockpile of energy.

>>4315858
Keep it but think about your image composition more. You might want to extend your canvas up to see more of the moon or move it into a different spot where the eye flows over the page a little smoother.

>>4315898
noted thanks

Hey, do you have any tips on how to render sand?

she looks awkward and the coloring looks weird. i know i gotta work on a lot of things but which areas should i focus on to make her look less unnatural next time?

>>4315219
she's having her period.

>>4315643
>1986

>>4316315
The thing that jumps out at me the most is her shirt. The shading isn't effective. It looks like you arbitrarily placed some lines and shaded around them. You'd get a lot out of studying fabric
Besides that, doing gesture drawings might make your stuff less stiff, which I think is what you mean by awkward

>>4316475
yeah i really struggled to make the shirt work and the stiff pose didn't make it better at all. thank you for your suggestions, gotta start practicing both of these things soon!

>>4316315
I kind of like it. The lips look nice. The pose is wierd though(mainly the head), and the face looks like symbol drawing. I can't really offer any insightful advice on how to fix this though, so maybe try loomis? Idk.

>>4299461
Woah this is good. Is it painted or pastels or what? How do I learn to make something like this?

>>4300826
I like it. Very nice style. How did you get the outline like that?

>>4308654
lovely, maybe liven up the colors a bit though?

>>4314482
i rly like how you painted the sheer material on her arm, the face and hair feel a bit flat though
but i like it in overall

today's doodle

>>4308654
Your stuff is so recognizable, discovered you two years ago and still love your works

>>4308654
senpai, how much for a mentorship?

Give me criticism /ic/, I don't know what's wrong with it and I don't know how to improve it, I just know it can look way better

>>4308654
fell in love in that girl long ago.
I think this picture is also what made me start drawing and stop just memeing on /ic/ instead of transcending stickman tier.

>>4308654
>>4317031
The picture that started it all for me. Or at least one of the key pieces, since I am sluggish and needed more than one inspiration to get going.

>>4317032

is this you?
>https://www.artstation.com/themichaelmacrae

i gotta say i started doing digital art seriously because I saw this piece years ago.
>https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qAwGVz

>>4317058
Oh no, no.
I'm just some anon who was inspired by that artist.

The pic I posted is a previous iteration of that guys work.

I was being unclear.

>>4317020
Why are the characters in shadow? It makes them to dull and causes them to blend in with the background to much, especially the female character on the right. I think you should experiment with pushing the mountain and landscape further back, the image reads to flat for what your trying to portray.

>>4317106
I intended to simulate a cloud shadow on the characters. With the blend of the background well, I don't know what to say, the mountains and even the ground are supposed to be really far, guess I'll have to modify that.

With the reading, I don't know what you mean to be honest

Been trying to render better but no matter what books I read or videos I watch I can't really get the hang, and still don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I'd guess it's the temperature of my colors that makes them look so disgusting but I'd appreciate a more experienced opinion.
i have been at an impasse for over a week, I think at this point i'm just gonna have to buckle down and try to replicate a shit ton of other artists work in order to get a grasp on this

>>4317152

I don't think that colors are your main issue.

You should practice rendering some primitives for starters. Spheres, cylinders, and cubes, etc. I don't really understand where your light is supposed to be coming from here. The neck is a cylinder. The snout consists of two boxes stacked on top of each other etc. Maybe get some clay and a lamp or a simple 3d software to do some experimentation?

About the colors: You should either have warm light/cold shadow or vice versa. Your color temperatures are completely inconsistent. The greens get more blue towards the shadow and the light parts get redder.

Get a nice picture of a green lizard and just examine it with your color picker. Look the pic attached to this post. The greens on this lizard's skin are going more towards the reds when they're in the shadow. They go towards more earthy tones where as the parts in the light are a more saturated green (might be some bounce from the environment but still)

I think you'd benefit more from examining some good photography than other artists. Information like that comes filtered and you won't really know what's their interpretation and what's "correct".

Hope this helps. Probably not, but I tried...

>>4317152
Sometimes things just need to cook longer, and there's no real good way to say it. Maybe it's the organic buildup of brushstrokes and colors that create a noise that breaks up the coldness of flat hue swatches. Maybe it's the constant pushing between hard and soft edges from which unplanned complexity arise. But you need to give it time, like a soup.

never touching that drawpile shit agen

>>4317152
Your colors are fine, it's just that your shadows are too blurry/messy. Incorporating the lineart more will help too

>>4317317
This is incredible, even though i'm pouring all my creative effort into learning to render, i can't imagine how long it'll take me to get to this level
>Sometimes things just need to cook longer
Even so, at my level I'd probably only be turd-polishing

>>4317275
You should either have warm light/cold shadow or vice versa
I had cool shadows on the light parts as well (greenish since they were moving from yellow to blue), but it looked like vomit so I painted over them with warmer shadows and neglected to do the same everywhere else. I'm not sure if that particular color range is tricky to work with but I'll keep your advice in mind from now on
I look at other artists because I try to see what works and looks good rather than what's correct, though I'll make an effort to look at photographs. It's kind of hard for me to do though, since color and lighting changes are a lot more subtle in photographs to the point where I have trouble telling whether something's in shadow or the local color is just slightly different there (particularly in a setting like your pic where the main light source is all around the subject)

>>4317360
I figured it was the opposite, that my shadows were too blocky and extreme. The sketch was intended to be just a placeholder, I want to eventually not rely on lines at all in my renders, but thats probably a ways off for me

More phone art. Getting used to it, strsngely.

About two hours into each. Another hour should finish these off.

>>4315262
>>4317506
>>4317508


Can you talk a bit about how you're working on your phone? Are you using some kind of pen? I have Procreate on my iPad and I love it. Have you tried procreate? How do the drawing tools in Ibis compare to that?

>>4317508
>>4317528


Oh, and really nice lines btw. I always look at your stuff when I'm strating a line art piece...

>>4317528
>>4317532
Thank you very much. It means a lot to me.

Yesterday, I got a Note 10 plus to replace my old S6, and got Ibis Paint X (the closest thing we got to CSP). So far, I'm loving it, and if it weren't for the lack of a good animation app and the absence of CSP's flexibility and power, I'd honestly just draw on this.

I have yet to try Procreate, mostly I wanted an experience closest to CSP as possible, but I will give it a shit tomorrow once these two pieces are done.

>>4317562
*shot

Interesting typo.

>>4317532
>>4317528
By the way, would you happen to know of any good animation apps for Android?

>>4317564

I don't do any animation, unfortunately. Honestly, I don't think you'll enjoy Procreate if you're into CSP. I've been meaning to get into CSP myself. It seems really awesome for line art. I'm a big fan of Dave Rapoza's more recent line-based work (pic related) and his art has definitely leveled up after he moved to CSP from PS and Procreate (Yeah, I know it's not just because of the software)...

Thanks for your insights /,,/.

Need some critique on my faces

>>4318650
Decent sense of form, fewer brush strokes would be better to avoid muddiness

this is a shitpost i can't actually draw :(

>>4313962

Continuing my fishboi character concept. I tried to force myself to do some line art and flat colors. Gonna shade him a bit and liven up the flats with more variation next.

Feedback/Redline/Overpaints welcome, as always...

Continuing from >>4305402

Tomorrow will probably ink (black) just to define the shapes and give a more polished look, almost done with coloring, finally

>>4318894
This is very nice but I have two critiques. The way he’s holding the spear on his right hand was very lazily drawn. Show him holding and gripping it, don’t just have a few fingers holding it. Also his left ear is quite long so I think that his right one would show just a littleeee bit from the perspective shown.

>>4318894
Ignore what I said about the ear, I don’t think it would show after looking a bit longer. Just fix the way he’s holding that spear.

>>4318992
I don't think he's holding the spear, it seems it's strapped in the back, you can see the rope on his chest

>>4318995
>>4318992


Thanks for the crits bro. He's not really holding the spear. it's attached to his back with the leather/rope strap thingy, so his right arm is in a resting pose. I understand the confusion though and I'll probably need to address that. I think shading might make it clearer or I'll just rotate the spear a bit so It's clearer that it's in his hand.

>>4318999

Correct'O! (Nice trips btw.)

>>4319004

>so It's clearer that it's in his hand.

I obviously meant to say *NOT in his hand...

>>4301763
>>4306784
>>4310283
>>4315378

good
>>4316738

>>4298468
hey guys help me out, I'm making this as my "offline/stream starting soon" screen for twitch and I'm wondering how I can make it more visually interesting? also looking for tips on shading/lighting

>>4316462
?

new wip

>>4319284
this is amazing, great job anon

>>4317317
Who drew this, my dick needs answers

>>4299461
To me it seems like the fathers face is too far forward. They also seem like they are in shadow while everything around them is lit up

>>4308942
Good

Made a few fixes.

>>4319577
Your dick needs therapy

New threat when???

>>4320777
make one you doodoo-face

>>4321219
>>4321219
>>4321219
>>4321219

new