/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4307623
sinix did

>>4307635
ah, that's interesting. does he ever talk about it?

>>4308341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWkcUxd5elU

Only one year? Are you sure that would be enough?

>>4307623
I'm on year 3 since switching to part time work. I've made about $3000 from art so far, so take that as you will. I've found that I'm more productive working part time than not working at all.

>>4308341
Sinix actually has talent though, I wouldn't model myself after his actions if you post on /ic/. He barely ever studies and literally has huge jumps in skill by playing videogames and not drawing.

>>4307623
It's a meme if you're talentless. I got better though, but not make it good.

they all usually burn out within 2 weeks or so

>>4309013
>he barely ever studies
You sure? All his vids up until a few years ago gave me the impression he studies (properly through analysis and application) to much and never manages to finish anything.

>>4309063
I haven't followed his videos in a while so maybe it was just at the timeframe I saw them. I remember he completely stopped drawing for months and was way better when he started again though.

>>4309067
You should try quitting for a decade or so and then I would imagine you'll have made it when you come back.

>>4309171
We should put that in the sticky

>>4307623
I did it for a year after school and I ''made it" I have been working on the vidya game industry for about 5 yrs now.
I didi get a little lucky to find my first job but its possible, just have to be focused.

I averaged about 6 hours a day of work during that year

>>4309067
That’s how it is for me, I always make really big jumps in skill after grinding then going cold turkey for months at a time

>>4309045
i wouldn't say it's about talent, but about motivation and self promotion. i know a lot of artists who are good but can't promote for shit.

>>4309318
nice

>>4309067
how would you know he completely stopped drawing? because he stopped uploading them online or something?

>>4312418
he takes 1 fucking year to finish a sketchbook thats enough proof for me

>>4312423
how many pages is that? what kind of metric is that? how big are his drawings? does he do front and back? does he draw digitally too? why the fuck do you think that means someone barely draws, if that still means something like 1 side of a page a day. to me it takes 3 hours to fill one side of a page, unless im doing like quickposes, because you can fit a lot in a little space and i go corner to corner. fuck, i can put 8 animation studies on one page and it takes me 30 minutes to practice each one. how pointlessly big are your studies that you burn through paper like that?

>>4312467
>fuck, i can put 8 animation studies on one page and it takes me 30 minutes to practice each one.
the hell, dude? animation is supposed to be spontaneous, you're spending half an hour labouring over a single tiny drawing?

>>4312883
i dont understand what you are trying to say at all. they are studies, how am i supposed to 'spontaneously' copy videos of people doing shit? the whole point is to get a feeling for weight and balance doing a bunch of different things which you dont need big drawings for and they can even overlap. so its grinding or bookwork, im not actually animating in my 'sketchbook' (to clarify i also do not own a sketchbook). and that said, i also didn't mean to say i would do 8 studies a day, no i might even work on one side of a page for 2 days, while i actually apply my skills with my drawing tablet

>>4313355
you will learn better if you draw bigger my guy. like there's a reason people in life drawing classes generally learn on easels, on big paper, instead of bent over a sketchbook. it loosens up your arm and makes you draw from the shoulder. makes sure you don't use an eraser. try it, its fun.

>>4313392
Another point to drawing bigger is that small mistakes will happen, however small mistakes are big trouble for a small drawing. Small mistakes are salvageable in a large drawing.

>>4307623
pic related is evidence that it is a meme.

>>4313392
>>4313393
>there's a reason people in life drawing classes generally learn on easels, on big paper, instead of bent over a sketchbook
what reason? do you really know? i see the value in bigger drawings for anatomy and figure studies but for animation or even gesture drawings this sounds like empty advice. it definitely depends on what your goals are. anyways i was simply giving reasons why someone might not burn through 30 sketchbooks a year, not trying to say big drawings aren't good for figure or anatomy studies. rather my point is that most studies can be small as fuck and you will benefit even more because you aren't wasting your time on perfectionism, or wasting your money on paper

>>4313393
This is the best argument for it I have ever heard, I guess I'll get out of my comfort zone and try it for a bit.

I lived in my ex-gf's parent's mansion for about 2 years. Paid "rent" of about 300 bucks a month and got to grind away. You need a way to NEET around and develop, you can't get good if you're juggling even a 30 hour a week job

>>4307623
You have to really love what you do, to make it a career, even self studies, I assume it's possible. But, you first have to love making and improving and challenging yourself constantly, CONSTANTLY. You have to love doing it more than anything else, in the words of the Arnold-nator "It feels like I'm cumming".

>>4313459
Yes. One reason I've already stated, you should have already read it here >>4313393

1. For things like animation or gesture drawings, it's especially important to draw large. This is because for gesture it's better to draw with the shoulder and elbow to get big sweeping motions for your line of action in there. Animation also depends very heavily on gesture. When I was in school, we used big sheets of newsprint paper that came off of rolls and filled them up as much as possible, as well as packs of printer paper where (in landscape orientation) we would do 1-2, maybe 3 gestures per side of the page, though a longer 5min gesture could be one for a single page. If you're studying for animation you're likely going to do exercises where you draw out the whole animation of pose sets on one piece of paper as well, so drawing large on a large paper benefits these as well, because you've got a lot of room and can get amazing motion into your drawings by not being constricted to the wrist only, as you would in a smaller drawing.

>my point is that most studies can be small as fuck and you will benefit even more because you aren't wasting your time on perfectionism, or wasting your money on paper
So, doing small studies is beneficial because you're not wasting your time on perfectionism, how exactly? I'd like to know. Because as far as I've seen, people only worry about being a perfectionist if they are a perfectionist, and they give themselves a lot of grief by drawing too small. Again to the point of "small mistakes are detrimental to a small drawing and not an issue for a large one".

3. As far as wasting money on paper goes, paper is quite cheap if you just get the large rolls of newsprint, find large papers on sale at art stores, or do the work that would be wasteful (like gesture) on shitty printer paper. All in all, your argument isn't really compelling, maybe explain it to me better?

>>4313459
Also as far as easels and big paper go:

Easels prop the paper up so that your drawing's perspective does not get deformed from laying on a table or your lap. This also makes it easier to draw a 1:1 copy of the subject, as you can measure with your pencil and then turn and place the measurement on the paper. When using visual measuring you have to keep your arm fully extended out when measuring your subject as well as when viewing it on the paper. Hard to do with a sketchbook in your lap.

Big paper reason has already been answered in multiple posts for you now, so I hope you understand it.

Also big paper is provided for you in most art shools (that's where a good chunk your tuition goes, to supplies) so you really shouldn't worry about price at that point anyways. Plus the big paper drawings are normally done only a few times per week, and some of those drawings you may be working on for weeks to months depending on what study they have you doing.

>>4313676
why dont you hear any of this advice in say, an animation book like animators survival guide then? your incentive to draw bigger is that it lets you 'loosen up' and draw with your arm but thats ultimately just a technique thing, relating to range of motion and thats all. you can definitely gesture draw in smaller motions. my own purpose for drawing bigger is to be able to add more detail but thats only a point when im doing anatomy studies
>paper is quite cheap
and which is cheaper? 1 sheet of paper or a thousand? that is more of my argument.

>>4313690
i know you are anxious to tell me how much you know but im not arguing against using easels, or even using big paper, but rather drawing very big drawings. if you are painting, it makes sense. if you are just doing some pencil study (like what you would do in a sketchbook, reminding you this is what this argument was originally about), that will probably be put away to be looked at only for the exclusive purpose of seeing how far youve come since then, you can draw it small.

of course ultimately it is a stylistic thing, you might find it more fun to draw big but my doubt is how big of a deal such a thing makes because i dont feel like you will learn more doing explicitly doing that

>>4313932
>and which is cheaper? 1 sheet of paper or a thousand? that is more of my argument.
I mean if it's about cost just buy bulk paper my dude. DickBlick sells 1600 sheets of newsprint for $24 my man. Not really an excuse for drawing small, and you never explained the perfectionism thing.

>i know you are anxious to tell me how much you know but im not arguing against using easels, or even using big paper, but rather drawing very big drawings
Well you literally asked about it last post so I explained it. I guess if you don't want your questions answered then don't ask them?

I'd argue that even for a pencil study you should be doing it larger rather than smaller. Again, small mistakes are big ones in a small drawing. I don't think anyone wants mistakes to fuck with a study that much while they're trying to learn, but hey, you do you my dude.

>>4314001
my explanation for perfectionism is that, again, i believe bigger drawings are only useful for details. details are something you shouldn't focus on all the time because its a time sink, when your time could be more focused on what you actually are trying to learn

and i guess i did ask, my mistake. i meant it in a rhetorical sense. to me, you just came in here to give me unsolicited advice. i was trying to figure out where i fit into this whole conversation. one minute im trying to understand the reasoning behind a poster saying someone doesn't study because they only fill out one sketchbook a year, the next im being recommended strategies to study better despite not really feeling like i have had problems with studying in small sketches