/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Why do you want a book on colour?
Colour mixing is simple,m are you talking about applying schemes? I don't think this was such a commonly written about thing with trad painters, so the history of it isn't there. Most of what I come across seems to be the digital stuff, for animation.

>>4307360
Color: a workshop for artists and designers by David Hornung.

This has absolutely everything you need to know about base colour theory, then you just need to learn how to apply it.

Loomis Creative Illustration

>>4307382
https://www.davidhornung.com/paintings-on-paper-2019

im looking at his work and honestly it doesnt seem that good even color wise

>>4307405
Yeah, obviously a modernist. He may have some good information about the science side of things, but I don't see him having much to offer to a realist painter other than that.

>>4307405
It's a fucking colour theory book. He's good at explaining colour theory and colour relationships in a concise and codified way. You don't need to like his paintings to learn from the book, I literally never even looked at his personal work beyond what he demonstrates in the book.
>>4307407
It's not a realist painting book, which is great. It's useful to learn the fundamentals of colour theory in isolation and simplified application. understanding the absolute basics of colour theory that you will find on this book will make things like James Gurney's colour and light SO much easier to apply in your work since you actually understand the fundamental workings of the colours.

>>4307360
Swear to god I thought that was woody harollsen

>>4307422
It's like learning perspective from someone who can't draw perspective well. How can the author be credible if he can't apply what he teaches in his own work?

>>4307432
>woody harollsen
>harollsen

>>4307437
He actually does use colour well in his painting, you're just not impressed by his modernist style and you can't recognise good use of colour outside of impressive realistic rendering and lighting. (I don't like his paintings either, due to personal taste, but I can at least see how he's applying colour theory in them)

I really feel sorry for you if you disregard this book based on the fact that you don't like his painting, it's a couple of hours to read through it and will dramatically improve your understanding of colour. It's your loss if you don't read it.

Also this is somethign you will eventually come to learn so let me save you some time: the best teachers tend to be mediocre at their craft but incredibly knowledgeable and adept at using words and explaining things. Some of the absolute best artists are shitty teachers. Study from your favourite artists, don't necessarily listen to the shit they say. Listen to great teachers but don't necessarily study from their art.

>>4307447
Sue me fag

>>4307448
Well ok then, I will give it a try

>>4307447
He's probably Scandinavian

>>4307360
Making Color Sing by Jeanne Dobie

>>4307360
plot twist: i don't read books.

>>4307597
based illiterate

>>4307360
>that isn't james gurney color and light or alla prima by schmid
Why not though?

>>4307360
color theory is the cryptonite of this board OP and you know it. i doubt more than 10% of /ic/ has ever actually tried to read these 2 goddamn books. everyone just keeps recommending them because this is the only thing they ever heard about. i'd really like to see anyone here try to actually use any technique or idea from gurney's book.
and that one cgma video course about colour is just horrible.

my only honest recommendations are this set of exercises https://creativecolor.wordpress.com/color-exercises/ and johannes itten's book, though its highly theoretical i think it has a lot of good advice for artist with high level of reading comprehension. i enjoyed it a lot but i had to take notes and look for additional reading material to fully understand it. still, its not a painting manual. i wish i knew anything better, ive been searching for a long time but to no avail.

>>4307365
i think OP means a book about how light affects local colours, how to pick colors for shadows, how to apply color theory to painting etc. theres a lot of books that tell you what complementary colors are or "light is warm so shadows are cool" but there is a serious lack of a book that will actually tell you how to pick the goddamn colors.

>>4307422
>>4307405
>>4307382
>It's not a realist painting book

This is how you can tell that you have zero fucking clue what drawing and painting is all about. This nonsensical bullshit that beginner little scrubs tell themselves rather than learning how things fucking work.

>>4307863
i havent read alla prima but i have gone through majority of gurney's book and its not a manual, its a "catalogue" of "popular" light situations, i think thats what i'd call it. he tells you for example:
>on a sunny day the blue ambient light is present in shadows
but he doesnt tell you how to actually pick the blue tones in relation to the warm tones, and its not like you can just slap electric blue on the shadow areas.

im convinced most successful artist just observe others' art and try to implement their "tricks". this is the only thing that ever worked for me anyway, i just see cool art, try to analyze whats happening in the colors and then i try to do the same in my paintings, because theres really no fucking manual afaik.

>>4307956
Wtf are you talking about

>>4307964
Exactly. Please refrain from posting outside of the /beg/ boards in the future, thanks pal.

>>4307961
>too stupid to understand the principles espoused by James Gurney
>is also a fucking hack that can only COPE by telling themselves that all other artists are fucking hacks

every FUCKING time

>>4307984
wipe your ass, if you had actually read and understood that book you'd have something more to say than this retarded overused meme brainfart.
i understand gurney's principles very well as theres nothing to not understand, i just stated its not a manual and that triggered your explosive diarrhea for some reason.
and studying others' work is a hack how exactly?...

>>4308001
I bet you read Loomis' books and "understood" them but didn't think they helped your drawing much either. Maybe you think everybody just knocks off photos even, because you're a dumb fucking cunt that's a detriment to art as a whole.

>>4308024
are you really that retarded? instead of addressing any of the points i made you made another irrelevant assumption that doesnt have anything to do with this thread. i didnt even mention photos, tracing, or any of that shit anywhere
i still have no idea what we're arguing about here, i said gurney's book isnt a manual and studying others art is beneficial, which one of these is making you frustrated?

>>4307984
nice read compression

>>4308042
>i said gurney's book isnt a manual

That's like reading Successful Drawing and saying that Loomis doesn't teach you about perspective. It's such a dumb fucking thing to say that I have to presume you're just mentally fucking retarded, sorry buddy.

>>4308075
you still havent added anything valuable to the discussion, prove me wrong by sharing your experience with the book if youve actually read it

>>4307939
How would you recommend taking notes from those books? It’s a bit retarded but note taking has always been something I struggle with.

>>4308253
well im retarded when it comes to focusing my attention on something for longer than 3 seconds so thats why i have to take such notes.
i always use the same approach to taking notes in books and its translating whatever sentence i found to be important/interesting to "simple" language. so for example there was this sentence in that itten's book:
>colors are children of light
and my brainlet note reads:
>we see colors only because of light and all choices i make when choosing colors should depend only the light source in my scene
hope this helps

>>4308145
What do you mean by a manual?
>but he doesnt tell you how to actually pick the blue tones in relation to the warm tones, and its not like you can just slap electric blue on the shadow areas.
The first page on direct sunlight (pg.28, pic related) tells you how the blue sky changes color depending on the weather and how the blue affects the local color of the object in shadow.

>In the figure at right, the blue sky color gives the top of the shoulder a greenish quality in the shadow. Where the sleeve drops from the shoulder, the yellow shirt picks up warm colors from the ground, and appears moire orange.
This is telling you that the shadows are the sky color + local color mixed together.

>>4308321
Correction
The shadows are the secondary light color + local color mixed together. For planes facing up, the secondary light is the sky. For planes facing down, the light is bounced off the ground which is warm in this case. look at the page on reflected light for more.

>>4307956
there are a million of books out there on color. Why not pick someone who has a representational style of art and teaches color theory well lol

>>4307939
only based post in this thread honestly. Gurney book isn't terrible but its not what people want in a color book, like another anon said its just a catalogue of common lighting situations. Gurney only gets recommended a lot because he somehow memed to the top of the amazon results list