/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Early Japanese how to draw manga manuals used Jack Hamm and Reilly's abstraction methods. It's not really about which one to use, but how you use these methods to achieve your goal.

>>4301530
I chose to believe the most important step is not to cripple your brain with Loomis master of unnatural wooden construction methods and man ass on women.

>>4301519
>Some dude uses Hogarth, therefore you should use Hogarth
Ah, the scientific method. Flawless.

>>4301545
Many Japanese drawing books use Loomis.

>>4301562
Hogarth looks disgusting

I fucking told you niggers, and you called me a retard. Nobody even heard of Loomis until his shit went out of print and became free because nobody fucking bought it.

>>4301620
Loomis looks disgusting you twat

>>4301658
He's a meme in the Art World and a name artists fling around as a joke when at Starbucks. Like /g/ when they say read SICP or /jp/ when they say "the pleasure of cummning inside", or /a/ when they say boku no pico or /pol/ when they say glowinthedark/shizo, or etc etc

>>4301519
is this from that new meme anime about the school girls that are trying to be animators?

>>4301562
BASED

>>4301620
His art lools like bronzed shit, as Wally Wood described it

>>4301686
how come Watts and Eaton recommend studying his books then?

>>4301686
NGMI

>>4301620
>>4301961
His shading looks weird and very metalic but the actual drawing, gesture and construction is miles ahead of most other artists including loomis.
Just learn his way of constructing and get your shading technique from a different artist, you don't have to learn from just 1 source.

>>4302035
Burne Hogarth is one of the best art teachers in my opinion. He can draw very well normally, and only shades and draws anatomy in that bulbous unrealistic way just to make the anatomy clearer. Pretty much all my anatomy knowledge harks back to Hogarth.

>>4302059
pyw

>>4302059
agreed, my very first instructional book was hogarth and i have no regrets

Do any of you actually draw?
Or do most of you just spend most of your free time complaining and comparing artists that are more productive and skilled than you?

>>4301658
retard

>>4302267
My man that's a correct observation, BUT
Think about where you are and what you have just been doing

>>4301519
Which of Hogarth's books should I look at to learn to draw like this?

>>4301519
whos work is this? where is this from?

>>4301519
Only retards deal in absolutes.
Some artists prefer a learning method over the other, and vice versa.
Stop being a retard, retard.

>>4303085
Eizouken, new anime

>>4301519
Hogarth leads to art and anime.
Loomis leads to merc_wip.

>>4302035
>His shading looks weird
You're not supposed to copy the shading, your brainlett.
The reason why he does this ultra contrast shading is to work out the volume on his anatomy dolls for the reader to understand that it's not flat shapes. Also a reason why he's superior to flat-ass loomis.

>>4305387
kek

>>4305387
Weird how most Japanese drawing books use Loomis then

>>4305399
>citation needed

>>4305399
Loomis was literally out of print until 10-15 years ago (none of you faggots seem to be aware of this). I seriously doubt some American meme teacher had or has a significant presence in Japanese art instruction material.
Maybe there's a couple of contemporary Japanese drawing books that jumped on the meme, but that's hardly indicative of the of Japanese art instruction as a whole.

>>4305411
>using the same shit as in the OP
>just a different scene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>citation needed

Yusuke Murata uses Hogarth as well

>>4305411
>>4301519
god i wish i had art friends like in this anime

>>4305468
Wrong, the only author/book Murata ever mentioned was Hampton's Figure drawing design and invention

>>4305485
wait, really? I'm actually interested in that. I tried Hampton and couldn't get anything out of that. You have a source? I can't tell if you're joking or not.

>>4305490
He mentioned the book in an interview if I remember correctly

>>4305468
>>4305485
He also read Loomis

>>4305503
Looks like loomis is famous among nips

>>4305508

>>4305476
Bro, we ARE your art friends. Just shitty friends, but I'm working on that.

>>4305440
This guy gets it. The only reason loomis blew up is literally because his shit was free and some webcomic artists in the early 2000s started uploading pdfs.

>>4305525
nice meme

That explains why japs cant draw hands or feet. Or they draw feet like hands with thise super long toes .only shitty muscular goliaths like that one wrestling anime, everything was stiff as fuck.

>>4305538
Yea. Japs can’t draw feet for shit. It’s pretty laughable.

>>4305411
https://youtu.be/L9xQse5ErxA?t=2m59s
>Almost every manga artist has Jack Hamm and the book by Loomis sensei

>>4305476
this but unironically

>>4305440
It's literally one of of the best selling art books on Amazon.jp

>>4301519
NO! YOU NEED TO DRAW FROM LOOMIS AND NOTHING ELSE!

Otherwise you might actually get good and we don't need more competition.

>>4302059
any hogarth book? Iread fun with pencil and just learned to build heads (pretty good heads btw) and found the body pretty confusing

>>4308576
don't get his light and shade book, but otherwise they're all pretty good. The figure drawing, drapery, and Hand drawing ones are the best.

>>4305411
what anime is this?

>>4308731
Read the thread, retard

draw from whatever teacher, loomis, reilly, hampton, hogarth, or what have you.

Eventually you will devolve your own way of construction.

draw from whatever teacher, loomis, reilly, hampton, hogarth, or what have you.

Eventually you will develop your own way of construction.

>>4305503
>>4305508
>>4305510
What are the book/manga names where these pages are from?

The Japanese are not stupid. They are no different than anyone else trying to excel at figurative art. They study the Masters, they learn from Chinese/Russian atelier-rype resources, they have world class art schools ffs, use western online schools (or study in the west) if they speak english, and they devour all the same anatomy books we do (Bammes, Loomis, hale, Richer etc) PLUS a bunch of manga/anime instruction books. And this mostly for stylistic convention and trends.
Like us the have kids who learn and get inspired by social media and chan sites who fiddle with instruction books and youtubes but the serious ones are no different than anywhere else.

Just study real life so you know when you've fucked up clear and simple... and then you can distort whatever you like to suite your bizarre fetishes after you've actually learned to draw.

>>4301562
The art of Hogarth looks false and static be lifeless

>>4301519
The anime mangaka use the Glenn Vilpu lessons

Construction is construction. Only about a billion decent sources to find its fundamentals being taught, but yea, if you want to limit yourself to one source that clicks with you it's whatever.

>>4309514
Hetappi Manga Kenkyuujo R, by Yusuke Murata. Unfortunately it is as of yet untranslated.

>>4310569
brainlet

>>4301562
hmmm interesting

>>4305538
>>4305541
pyw