/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Redline that seymour

how do I into textures
and anything else I might have fucked up

>>4298258
Main issue is that you don't understand volume.
Copy bargues plates

>>4298258
Was this from ref or imagination

>>4298301
reference

>>4298284
thanks for the tip, just printed out the course, wish me gmi

gauntlet of goals when?

I'm trying to learn Loomis, but I'm a little confused about the part where he says that the hairline is about halfway up from the brow to the top of the head(giving you one of the 1/3s you need). However the hairline seems to be way further up and I always end up with really short faces.
Can someone explain, I'm really dumb.

what is the point having to draw the upside down stravosky in the sticky when nobody in /beg/ ever does it or even post it?

>>4298349
the sticky is both outdated and detrimental to learning since there are far better resources available now

i wish we got a new sticky some day

>>4298341
Glad to hear that anon
Here are some important pointers
>Take your time
Do not rush with your pen and go halfway on analyzing volume, the course is slow but very valuable. And do not go into volume until you're really confident on the initial line drawing
>Do not think about material or texture
You'll be copying a continuous surface that might be closer or farther away, that turns, goes around and so on. Focus on volume and light.
>Separate your shadows and be consistent with your values
So since this is done in the academical tradition, you need to understand that even yur darkes midtones MUST be lighter than the lightest shadow.
A good way to make sure you're consistent with the shadow is to pick two values which are darker than the rest, fill in the shadows first and then work the light volumes.

>>4298348
It's not halfway in absolute terms (as in if you would measure the drawing), the ball is curved, so it is distorted in the upper quarter if you look at it straight on. Depending on how you look at the ball, it appears to be more than halfway or less than halfway, always have the perspective in mind.

>>4298364
Thought it was something like that. I have a hard time visualizing that though :/

>>4298349
>Another one who fell for it

>>4298341
Where'd you get the course?

>>4298378
donut bully pls

>>4298393
http://www.davinciinitiative.org/bargue-plate.html

>>4298353
What are these mysterious better resources?

So I did this, it went over well on social media even got a follow from a pro, but I need you guys to find all of the flaws you can so I can keep improving

>>4298422
That's actually really rad. I saw this on DeviantART's front page on the undiscoverd section a while ago. It looks kind of cluttered still, perspective is odd due to it and you over rendered the hair.

All in all your almost out of /beg/, love your style. I actually followed you on twitter not too long ago.

>>4298422
How long do you spend on your works? Surely this must have taken a day at least for that much line detail.

>>4298349
Well it’s from the book drawing on the right side of the brain and has to do with mostly recognizing shapes and analyzing how things actually look and not how you think they should, hence doing it upside down. I did it twice and personally found it useful.

How the fuck do i make chests?
Also less dull positions
Also less chicken scratching

>>4298489
Forgot pic

>>4298238

HOW THE FUCK DOES A JAW WORK? How do people hell, smile, and cry!?

>>4298258
Construction
>>4298348
Construction
>>4298422
Looks good, but I think some of the jars in the right foreground and left background might look good with binary white and black filling.
>>4298489
construction
>>4298492
construction
>>4298511
construction

>>4298511
>How do people hell

Thoughts?

>>4298536
ref

Working on construction. Thoughts?

>>4298536
Gesture

>>4298521

>>4298542

>>4298492
This is really beg.

>>4298511
>How do people hell
Doing very bad things Anon, keep yourself in the right track, read the sticky and you'll be just fine.

>>4298576
This is one of the best if not the best Dark Souls sketch I've seen on /beg/, good job.

Well Seymour I made it, despite my limitations.

Fist ever digital piece, bought Wacom int Pro, any pointers? I was working with Corel essentials 6 but I think I'm gonna pirate PS, I don't think there's a point in learning with inferior software.

>>4298592
Yeah, draw a thousand anime heads from reference and then try again

>>4298592
just pirate sai 2

and learn your fundies thats garbage

>>4298602
>not pirating CSP instead

Hopefully line quality will improve with mileage

>>4298623
it always pains me to see beginners draw these weird vintage cartoony heads. dont worry im not hating on you, i just dont understand why this book gets recommended. i doubt anybody here wants to draw these weird cartoons so why practice drawing with these

>>4298642
It isn’t bad to practice the facial feature placement and get a more general understanding of how loomis works

Are the values ok?
Also, is it normal that the rendering process takes forever wtf

>>4298541
Work with basic shapes when drawing the human body

>>4298642
The point is to teach absolute beginners that if you can wrap your head around breaking cartoons down into simple shapes then with practice you can do the same with more complex and realistic forms.

>>4298397
Thanks, but that's only 2 plates...which I also found after 2 seconds on google. was kind of hoping for the whole thing

>>4298592
are you trolling? There is no way you can be this bad... Maybe start with the basics or something? AND PLEASE stop wasting time polishing a turd. The time you spend with colors, shadowing, etc is all wasted because you didn't get the body parts correct

the legs are nice though
that thigh gap is unnatural, especially in that pose
you can't just draw a flat chest and then two lines to represent breasts
the face is too flat
the back leg should be shorter and thinner since it's behind the character

>>4298592
Learn to draw clothes, everything with your drawing looks flat.

>>4298646
No not really. Im guessing you had a bad ref but that looks terrible.

>>4298689
this is the ref. What went wrong?

Anyone done the Watts head class?
Should I even bother to learn the simple Asaro head or go straight to the Head abstraction (Reilly).
Seems to me like learning the simple Asaro head is unnecessary, because the Reilly abstraction already has the planes of the head.

>>4298662
this one has pdf's with a bunch of them, full page
https://barguedrawing.wordpress.com/

they're in part 1 & 2 tabloids, between other drawings

I'm trying to understand how light affect the figure, still have a hard time to push my figures beyond gestures.

>>4298718
Now that i look at it again the neck should be shorter.

>>4298718
step 1. stop being afraid of the naked body and placing your little black dots. I know you probably never seen a girl naked but dont take it out on us.

>>4298767
ngl I have never seen a naked woman before

Hey, /beg/, I'm starting to workout and hit the /fit/ sticky. I've read that when you draw, you unconsciously draw yourself. Maybe a bit of the reason I don't draw models so well, is that I don't reflect them enough, so I'm hitting the gym three times every four days. I'm watching my macros and cutting while maintaining enough protein. This along side a daily routine of 20 gesture drawings a day and a photo study, with alternating days of rendering practice and perspective practice.
I've just started, but in three months I'll post results.

>>4298789
learn to draw anatomy with your body and post it here

>>4298789
I want you to post results now do the inverted stravinsky as the sticky says and post it ASAP

>>4298349
i posted this yesterday why have you rotated it and reposted lol

Is this worth starting out with? Sticky mentions it by name twice but doesn't go into details.

>>4298815
When the sticky was made, free guides were hard to come by, and this guy ate up the market for free education.
He's better than nothing, but not the best anymore. Go to the video courses thread in the catalogue

>>4298815
i followed it loosely at first and there's some decent stuff but he's basically just copied exercises from the people who taught him (those exercises are available here btw). also it's so boring and samey that it sucks the fun out of learning to draw.
i'm now using video courses and a couple of books instead

>>4298815
Nah. He’s super boring and you can learn all he teaches from a better resource. Check out the book perspective made easy and some art YouTube channels that can explain what he explains a bit better

Did a bit more work on this.

picking out the blue color was hard for some reason.

ref
>>4298538

This is the book I bought. I typically buy books from the "For Dummies" series because I typically never have issue with them. I have the "C for Dummies" (although I won't deny that I've seen critiques of it. Some regarding its "cringeworthy" humour that I myself find lightens the mood, some regarding technical matters), "Piano for Dummies" and "Music Theory for Dummies" books too but that's besides the point.

I just want to know if /ic/ is aware of this book and if so, is it good?

>>4298816
>>4298819
>>4298823
Thanks.

>>4298646
arms look fucky.
the guy's right elbow is too long and his left tricep isn't resting like in the ref.

I'm about to dive this, should I watch the whole series or do you have another you-tuber to recommend? I've got KTD to read aswell.

>>4298238
anyone want to do a practice with pic related? I think loomising out the anatomy of how the top gal is positioned is good practice.

>>4298875
no fuck you

Would like some critique on my drawings pls.
>>4298536 ref >>4298538
>>4298542
>>4298544

Critique please, I drew from a reference of Freddy Murcury, it probably doesn't look close to the original image but what major skills am I lacking.

>>4298969
Head is too long, nose seem crooked, needs more loomis.

>>4298971
I used loomis methods for the head, but I probably didn't accurately 'distort' the loomis head. Proportion is the thing that I find hardest out of the fundamentals.

>>4298914
Work on anatomy, breaking up the human body into more basic forms, giving your gestures more expression and emphasis on what they’re doing and work on your line confidence a bit

>>4298521
>a fucking apple from ref, probably rl not even photo
>construction
is this what brain on loomeme looks like?

>>4298969
Work on line confidence first and foremost. It looks like you’re drawing from the wrist so draw from the shoulder and elbow for longer more confident lines. Also use more lines to line up facial features such as the eye and try to give that nose more depth because it doesn’t seem like it’d be that flat, especially in the perspective shown. Also train yourself to recognize shapes and forms in the human face to make your features way more realistic. You’re off to an okay start but just analyze and learn the individual parts of the face and learn facial anatomy for your best success with portraits

>>4298969
You're trying to shade, draw details when you're lacking the fundamentals.
Back to Loomis, study the planes of the head ( You can both use Loomis and the Reilly method to construct the head) construction of nose, eyes, etc.

>>4298875
no she is ugly and makes even worse expression in the hopes that doing so makes it art and not just an excuse to hoe around

How the FUCK am I supposed to learn the Reilly method when even Watts keep drawing the lines different.

>>4299007
You aren't supposed to follow it rigidly, you are supposed to stay loose adapt it to the way that best fits you. Nearly everyone to learned under Reilly and went on to teach his method offered their own different perspective on it.

>>4299039
Same old copying, same old uncanny dudes.

>>4299018
you're right, I'll keep learning and applying it to different heads

>>4298969
work on accuracy, measuring, and placement, those stand out the most to me

>>4298969
C O N S T R U C T I O N

>>4298969
Needs less Loomis and more perspective, try doing it again without tracing it from this one and keep this as reference along with the original picture that you're drawing. You can also try seeing the original picture you're drawing from your phone and use it as reference as well.
I'm pretty sure by doing all this you're going to notice what you're doing wrong and you'll improve from this sketch.

>>4299056
>>4299052
>>4298984
>>4299058

It's actually improving as I redraw it.

>>4298422
Leave /beg/

>>4299058
>>4299056
>>4299052
>>4298993
>>4298984
>>4298971

Even though This is a sketch that took a few minutes, I can already see improvements (except the rotation of the head).

>>4299087
still very rough but as you said, its improving
the sign that you´re learning

>>4298536
>>4298914
looks better than last time, it has a sense of foreshortening now, keep it up dude

>>4298815
No, the guy running it was recently exposed as a hackfraud who can't draw. Everyone who has done drawabox has not improved at drawing other than boxes. It's a waste of time.

>>4298873
Don't follow this guy's advice lmao

>>4299094
Who spends their time drawing only boxes lol?

>>4298873
Peter Han is currently under damage control for letting it slip that he is fucking awful, don't fall for any of these scams like dynamic so and so or drawabox scams

>>4299100
>Peter Han is currently under damage control for letting it slip that he is fucking awful
explain

>>4299104
He's been deleting lessons and taking down some artwork, subtle little stuff like that which his followers probably wouldn't think much of. But people have been grabbing screencaps and saving some of the awful stuff he's been putting out to try and raise awareness to the scam

>>4299104
he has a bot in his discord designed to responde to anyone typing ' loomis ' and ridiculing them and saying loomis is a meme

>>4299100
>That ear placement in profile view

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>4299105
He still better than you probably

>>4298536
Think more about form and mass, it seems like yu copied mostly the outlines.
>>4298541
Don't forget about how muscles change their form in different actions, or how they appear on different persepctive.
>>4298544
Focus more on the movement of your figure instead copying the lines.
>>4298576
Work on anatomy start from the bottom and end it with the head ;)
>>4298592
Your colours doesn#t show form, rather allthe values you used don#t follow the form but that#s not the only problem, you need to study shapes and forms and a lil bit of anatomy/gesture.
>>4298623
Focus n the mass, theirs no depth/perspective on them.
>>4298646
You need to work on your values, right now their are muddy - learn about how light reveal the form and about the forms of the muscles your rendering.
>>4298718
Learn about perspective and forms and how light affect the form when it hits. Work on proportion too and don't focus so hard on details atm..
>>4298825
Try to push the values.
>>4298969
Construction, perspective and anatomy of the head, if you know about the shapes and form of the head/face it will be eayer to shade them.
>>4299039
Linework,anatomy, shading, construction, perspective.

>>4299087
this is it chief, it's coming along way better than the original, you were able to fix the rotation around the nose/mouth.

beer makes me happy

>>4299100
?? is something happening or his discord or what

>>4299129
drawing makes me happy

>>4299113
he isn't, and i am fucking awful that's what is sad about it all.

>>4299140
You're wrong

>>4299100
kek what a hack

>>4299148
you can check the whole drawabox deleted figure lessons on archive.org, it truly is concerning to say the least

>want to draw
>go look for reference
>become depressed because can't draw good like reference
>don't draw
>repeat for X days until all muscle memory is gone

>>4299100
>peter han deleted lesson
lmao that is Draw a box guy not peter han you retarded crab
>>4299140
post video where you can free hand not sketch ink like this then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8ED4DW6A0

>>4299215
Wait a sec. He thinks drawabox guy is Peter Han? What a fucking idiot hahaha

This is probably my average level 3/4 view head construction from imagination, I’m almost 20 and feel like I’m behind, how am I doing guys.

>>4298238
I tried to take the Loomis skeleton and then put the 8 layers into 3d in respective. So I used ellipses on the planes to place the landmarks but I didn't properly account for how far forward and back everything is supposed to be so it just looks like he has Ricketts. I'll try again tomorrow.

So im drawing this really simple drawing and it turned out the way i expected it too but its lacking something and im not sure how to explain it.

Besides the obvious facial features and hair, whats wrong with this?

Do you think adding "fabric" lines would help?

>>4299215
that post isn't saying it's both, it's that the people exposing peter han simultaneously shill drawabox. peter han drew the shitty luke

>>4298703
Thanks!

>>4299096

you are a dumb fucking fuck

>https://www.artstation.com/peterhanstyle/albums/39988

>>4299268
People swear up and down that a single drawing of Luke skywalker that isn’t so visually appealing just makes Peter Han a shit-tier artist or something

>>4298873

it's good. go watch his youtube, twitch and artstation if some dumbfuck here say that he's bad artist.

his work is enough proof that his method of learning is good. style and taste is another matter. you can use what he taught in your own way.

>>4299245
>that post isn't saying it's both, it's that the people exposing peter han simultaneously shill drawabox.
what are you even say here
the dude post picture of DAB lesson with that file name and shit on both Peter and DAB
>peter han drew the shitty luke
everyone drew shitty drawing at one point especially with ink sketching
and it not even that bad
what is with peter han crab these days
did he insult loomis or something

>>4299226

it's okay. 20 is still young. Here's what you /beg/'s need to know. It's not a fucking race. don't worry about other people. Just focus on your own shit.

other people shit doesn't affect you. they have their own problem. focus on your problems. don't waste your precious time thinking about others.

>>4299226
>I’m almost 20 and feel like I’m behind
Fuck off I'm 28 and just starting. I fucking wish I had decided to pick this up when I was your age so stop bitching when you're still young so young.

This entire thread is legitimate beginners being ignored and some people arguing about whether an artist is good or not.

What a shit show. Who fed the troll?

>>4299087
Very nice improvement, the lines look much cleaner. It seems you’re interested in portraits and there are a ton of resources here such as books and videos to help with that so use them how you desire. Good luck with the art!

>>4299295
This whole board is a shit show.

>>4299279
>did he insult loomis or something
Bingo.

>>4299300
I'm mainly interested in being able to make graphic novels, but I feel that it's best to figure out how to draw the head, with some practice on other parts of the body mixed in.

>>4299230
I feel like you need to use basic shapes with the body much more. Also learn proportions

>>4299237
Adding anything would help as it’s a challenge to tell what exactly you want to achieve here. Tweak the head shape, make the neck bigger (if you’re going for a realistic look since the neck is about the same width as the head) and stop drawing from the wrist. It’s obvious because of the shape of the head, draw from your shoulder and elbow more. Also change the placement of that breast line

Got my old Wacom Bamboo tablet working, and just in time for the new year. I'm going to work on improving my art and read the sticky. Especially now that I can do digital art and can practice much easier than on paper. These are what I did while getting the hang of drawing digitally since I've been drawing on paper for the last year or so. In a year, I will have more positive critiques than negative when I post my work here.

>>4299305
Work on your anatomy in general. It’s a decent style but the arms and legs aren’t anatomically correct in any way so I would mostly focus on that. Just look at how other cartoons incorporate anatomical features to look appealing. Also work on clothing

>>4299284
>>4299287
I’m trying to make art a career but I’m completely self taught and I’m not going to be able to get into one of the top colleges like Art Center for financial reasons. But the more I look the more I see people like 17-21 years old getting mentors that are industry professionals or getting into top schools bc they have the cash and I’m in my room studying, working part time and attending community college bc my grant pays for that and the textbooks. But thanks guys I know what you mean il rethink some things and try harder when I get home.

>>4299314
Anatomy is my biggest thing to work on and I have an artist friend who's helping me out as well. The clothing itself I want to keep, but I think you just mean to make it look better, right?

>>4299327
Yes make it look better. Add some wrinkles, natural shape, and it’s try to make it more appealing overall. Your style is decent though. Don’t be afraid to also look at other cartoonists

Here's my first two attempts from the loomis figure drawing book. I think I'm getting the measurements a bit too long and too short. Any advice?

I am following this Dynamic Sketching thing. It is hard to draw a line on top of itself 8 times in a row. I cannot draw a fucking circle.

>>4299332
Didn't you read the newest meta? Peter Han is a scam.

>>4299336
I don't care what these idiots here are saying he seems pretty fucking good at what he does to me

>>4299332

those are something you'll be able to do with time. there's no amount of understanding that can change your motor control. it's all about mileage. don't get stuck doing that until it's perfect though. Use it as a warm up before drawing or whenever you have couple of minutes free. make sure you have paper or pencil/pen to scribble shit.

understand that you need to work on your motor control and that you need to practice then move on to the next lesson. once you get to the drawing lesson if you feel like your hand not moving as you would like it to then practice those basic shapes.

learning art is hard for a complete beginner. I've been where you are and I nearly quit a couple of times because I don't have a proper mentor other than various resources and people telling me "need more loomis" or "go to /beg/" in this shit hole. persevere and you will get there.

>>4299341
Thank, I appreciate that advice.
Still though, I'd like to be able to draw a decent circle before I move on to part 2 here.

>>4299345
Just practice gradually. Art is a process. If you sit down and draw say 50 circles a day then your circle drawing techniques will improve. Are you drawing with your shoulder/elbow?

>>4299355
That's a good question, I don't know.

>>4299360
Haha well I definitely recommend drawing with your shoulder/elbow if you already aren’t doing that. A quick google search will show you how. I bet you’ll be able to draw circles very easily after that.

>>4299363
Well I guess I'm using my elbow/shoulder but these circles are still really bad and inconsistent

>>4299377
You’ll get there with time. Art isn’t an immediate thing. Just do something similar to what I said with doing a few circles a day and you’ll get there. You’ll be drawing a ton of circles as you draw more and more anyhow (breaking things up into basic shapes/forms) so that shouldn’t be a concern honestly

>>4299377

here's what help me. ghosting the line before putting it down. think of it like stirring a soup on top of the paper then keeping the same motion your draw it on the paper.

if the sticky is outdated, can someone direct me to a better source of learning? i really don't know where to start.

>>4299438
I've tried doing that but I don't feel like it's any more consistent

>>4299328
Yeah, okay. I get what you mean. These were more for practice and getting used to the tablet. The one on the right was a coloring practice and figuring out which way to color was better, the 3 on the left was me practicing with layers and using them to make different varients with nakedness. I appreciate the compliment on my style, but I need some substance to go with it as well haha.

>get ready to practice greyscale
>try to fill outline so I have the shape
>always ends up looking super sloppy
How do I get clean edges when making a solid fill layer for my renders?

i can't help it but feel like that i'm doing something wrong
am i doing this right?

>>4296833
>>4296833
This post is making me rethink whether or not to follow this Dynamic Sketching thing? I thought that would be an easy way to get going with drawing but I don't know. Not really sure what to do if I'm not following a regimen like a video series like that. Jumping from art book to art book seems like a much harder way to learn.

>>4299465
I don't work digitally so can't be arsed to show to do the textures right, but currently your shapes loo flat because they don't wrap around the forms.

Rubbish need critique

how i make it smear less, what could have been improved?

>>4299007
You don't understand how the form of the head looks in space so of course you aren't going to understand the method. The brow ridge on the right is a correct representation while yours isn't. Use straight lines more, and observe more.

>>4299100
That's Drawabox

Just playing around. Would still appreciate criticism.

first time sharing a drawing

Is it a good practice for a beg to eye ball proportions when drawing from life and feel them like how vilppu does?

>>4299532
put a clean piece of paper under your drawing hand when its gonna be above drawn parts

>>4299607
soul

How may I improve the perspective on this cartoony drawing?

HOW THE FUCK do I continue from here?

I boned it out then found a reference to help with shading the lights and darks with progressively smaller brushes. where do I go from here?

>>4299527
pussy too fat

Do I have to start with Loomis' Fun With a Pencil? Or can I just skip to his Figure Drawing? I have much more interest in the figure drawing than the cartoons FWP is trying to teach me. At least, that's what the first part feels like.

so i finally worked up the courage to post my wok.

You know, I think I might just not be getting it. It's just not clicking for me. Like, I'm willing to put in the work and just draw. But it just feels like Loomis is just throwing a lot of info at me and it's not sticking and I don't really know what to do. Should I try finding another tutorial that works for me?

>>4299655
ew

>>4299685
plenty of youtubes to make it easier. assuming theyre not all destroyed by coppa yet.

>>4299685
yes, loomis sucks dick. Plenty of options to choose from.

>>4299668
Take it back

>>4299700
>>4299703
Alright, I'll see if I can find a tutorial that I can vibe with. Also, checking out the boards /hr/ and /s/ and thank goodness I finally looked at the sticky. Now I don't only have to rely on instantGram for my references and poses. Being that I want to really mostly just draw women in poses and all.

>>4299445
I'm going to reiterate what was said before, that the process takes time and consistent practice. Beyond that, remember that the improvement won't be visible day to day. It may not even be noticeable month to month, particularly if you aren't pursuing art full time or as a subject in school. Don't be that guy posting "it's been a whole month why am I still bad" as if that's not normal and everyone is just holding out the secret technique on you. It personally took me years to reach a point where my faces and figures weren't abominations, and I still have a long way to go.

If I had to recommend just one thing to help with that part of the process, it would be: use a spiral bound sketchbook and draw on every page. Keep each drawing and practice, don't scribble out bad work, or make too much silly commentary around it in text, or tear out the pages. Work first page to last page practicing exercises, anatomy, construction, landscapes, whatever. Then get another, and do the same thing. Keep every one of these and look back over your journey to see how far you've come. Because otherwise the progress is so gradual you'll never truly realize how much better you are.
Personally I like to only use one side of each page on the sketchbook, and then much later come back and use the other sides so I have my new work facing stuff from before. It forced me to look at my first horrible Loomis blooks and ogre-like female portraits. Or you could put the date you started the sketchbook on the first page, and the date you finished it on the last to have a more accurate record. I don't know, my point is it will take a while but stick with it and keeping old work around helps remind you of the elusive feeling of progress.

>>4299711
>not endulging in the best food preparation method created by asians well beyond our simple white brain intelligence
your loss.

At least I learned a bit about shading

What does "line confidence" mean, and how do I practice it?

>>4299783
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/2
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/3

>>4299784
Thanks.

Is this what making it feels like?

I know it's not very good (anatomy is somewhat off, proportions are quite off even considering that I like a big upper body - guess my fetishes) but this is such a massive fucking improvement from everything I've drawn before in the sense of "getting closer to right" that I can't help but be excited.

Just wanted to share with you.

If any kind anons want to tear this apart, please do. One good critique saves me like 4 weeks of trial and error.

>>4299874
Just realised the perspective on the abs is fucked up, it looks like they're sliding down on the far side. The corners should be symmetrical in a straight line that mirrors the shoulder line, which is where I'm taking perspective from, but they're not.

Actually, if anything the corners should be expanding on the far side like an accordion because all those muscles are being pulled upwards by the raised arm.

Oh well.

Tried to draw a character i had in mind.

>>4299874
This looks like using the Loomis for all the right reasons besides for minimal errors like that bulge who definitely should've been larger

I'm doing the Feng Zhu thing. It's kind of cool how clearly that final pass of white shows. Is there anything I'm missing or screwing up?

And if someone knows off the top of their head which episode he walks through this, I'd be much obliged. Kinda want to rewatch it.

>>4299919
This is a pretty good character you had in mind, reminds me of Lain's bear pajamas with a mecha touch crossover with the Child Emperor from OPM

>>4299954
that looks awesome anon.

the episode he tackles a tree is episode 101, he also shows this sort of thing in episodes 89 and 90

how do I force my brain to actually observe the reference and make lines accordingly instead of drawing everything from memory?

>>4299954
Well it's nice forms, but there is no real texture. It looks way too tidy and organized to be tree roots.
I don't know this exercise though, maybe texture is purposefully left out.

>>4299983
That looks fine nigga, chill out.

You're not a photocopier and if you were your drawings would be boring as one.

>>4299983
measure angles, measure lengths, break the piece into separate forms based on outlines in your head (like pic)

>>4299995
who could possibly be behind this post

I've decided I want to get back into drawing after learning to play the piano fairly successfully.
What I think helped was that there was a set order of books to go through, that gradually got more complicated. Is there a similar thing I can do with drawing?
I've had a copy of Fun With a Pencil for a few years, but it didn't help much because I just drew weird looking potato people and was too retarded to apply it to anything else.

>>4299954
I know exactly which ref image you used

>>4299981
Thanks a bunch anon

>>4299994
Noted. I didn't pay any attention to texture, I'll experiment with that next time. It's something I struggle with in general really, I have no idea how to approach it. I'm surprised you think it's tidy though, it looks messy as hell to me. As for the purpose I guess it's mainly just for mileage.

>>4300037
It was among the top search results, so I'm not surprised.

What are some good books/tutorials to learn about colour?

>>4299983
Your hands look disgusting

>>4300137
That hand looks way more appealing than mine..

doing some poses

>>4299955
Thank you! The idea is that he is into engineering and his robotic arms can extend, but he is an introvert so he uses the bear hoodie to hide. I had the idea of a very colorful outside with a very dark /timid character as a contrast, i hope i can acchive that in the future.

>>4299983
I really really really liked your hand

>>4299956
I really like your style but it's hard to make out what's happening in the first image.

>>4299607
This is really nice anon. I could see it as an illustration in a book.

>>4299465
You are going to make it, I can already see your style evolving. You have improved anon.

How do I design a character with a square head/body? He’s supposed to be a contrast to a round character but I’m having trouble with a decent design.

>>4300007
maybe it's because I look at my ref from a small screen, but I cant accurately measure angles and get proportions right just by eyeballing it. I end up sketching and erasing over and over until I get something decent.

>>4300137
Seethe

>>4300244
ty

What are some good perspective exercises?

>>4299331
Observe actual figures more

>>4299331
Start of with actual measured grid lines.
Your ability to visual measure and compare lengths isn't quite there yet.

Sighting/measuring will come the more you do it but it's good that you recognize it's the fault.

>>4299455
Straight lines

>>4299455
practice straight lines exercises and ghost the line twice before doing it for real

>>4300245
thank you. that's just an establishing shot, i'll try and sort it out but i don't know whether it's that important just included for pacing

From imagination. My biggest problems for now are perspective, line and figure drawing. (I haven’t started working on value or color yet) Can I get some advice on how to practice to improve?

>>4300435
I thought they had bruises on their necks

I should have used a reference for this...
Are the flaws in perspective and anatomy on the hips/legs too glaring or can I get away with it if I put some fancy rendering on top?

>>4300456
That would make this a completely different picture

I drew this for you anon.

how do these hands look

I'm a bit lost with sculpting, maybe someone can help me out.

I bought this air-hardening modeling clay to make something for a friend.
Can you make a final sculpture and paint or if this is only for making a mold?

Small tablet anons, are you supposed to draw on the tablet using your shoulder? I use huge paper with a pencil but I'm hurting my wrist on a tablet.

>>4300614
Don't death grip the pen.
Don't apply too much pressure to push down on the stylus, adjust your pressure curves if you have to.

The key thing is to not plant the base of your palm on the tablet and use that as a pivot point. You can use the knuckle on your pinky as support and think about moving your whole hand together as your fingers adjust the stylus for small details.

>>4300435
Draw realistic people. Loomis.

>>4300614
Yes, use your shoulder. Zoom a lot so you're always drawing across as much of the tablet as possible

Bro's, how do i keep away from the curse that is tracing?

>>4300670
what? what the fuck. just dont trace

>>4300666
thanks satan

>>4300661
I’ll be starting Loomis this weekend. Hoping it’ll help.

>>4300670
By not making tracing an habit if you ask me

>>4300565
y-you too!!

>>4300415
The woman lacks any kind of gesture on the legs whatsoever; since you used the coomer as reference for the drawing on the bottom I'm confused if Butterbean is meant to be drawn on a the same angle as the reference or not. either way even if the perspective on the mouth seems a bit off it's pretty good for /beg/.

Am I still beg tier?

>>4300707

>>4300708
Also something that isn't a portrait

>>4300707
>>4300708
Realism is the start of the journey that is style and what not.

>>4300708
pretty cool desu

>>4300709
>>4300708
>>4300707
You will always be /beg/ until you aren't. If you have to ask, you cannot escape

I struggle a lot when I an angled loomis head (other than front and side).
What's wrong with me and how can I improve?

>>4300770
For one, the front view one you forgot to cut off the sides of the ball

>>4300770
firstly, use pic related and secondly, practice hand to eye coordination first / try drawing something that's up-side down

>>4300565
Thank you.

Am I doing this right?

>>4300670
Accept that sometimes drawing free hand that it might no look 100% to the reference and that's okay. Slight differences and mistakes makes it uniquely yours.

>>4300853
the chin should be around where the bottom marking you made is. Try rereading whatever lesson you just used.

>>4300864
Im unsure how to connect the neck to the chin at angles like this

one of my first attempts at direct figure drawing with no reference or rough sketch, its still "sketchy" but compared to my absurd chicken scratching i consider it direct-ish.

do you think its possible to do draw directly and not lose the gesture?

>>4300926
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the angle at the side of your head indicate that you should be seeing the bottom of the head like this. Sorry for mspaint and drawing with a mouse.

Say I want to trace reference images for the sake of learning anatomy and construction, should I be doing that, and how do I know I'm doing it right?

>>4300955
After 10,000 hours of drawing, yes

Ive watched Hamton, Vilppu, Proko and read many books and I still can't wrap my head around figure drawing. Everyone does it differently
Is it truly something I will just understand after time?
Maybe I'm missing something fundamental and I can't figure out what it is.

Ive been using Peter han and drawabox for things that aren't figure drawing and i've read that they're not good sources.
I need to find a new source now.

>>4301054
just draw

>>4300996
It was fine before, yours is wrong

>>4300458
Looks perfect, finish your work.

>>4301088
no idiot

>>4301088
how so? The lines are pointing up at an angle so the head should be looking up right?

Alright lesson 2 of dynamic sketching and I am lost

>>4298284
Copying Bargue plates won't help you understand volume.
That's what Vilppu is for.

>>4298402
Some guy in the previous /beg/ thread posted a link to the real Sticky.
Right now, the Sticky is flaming hot meme.

>>4298596
Unironically pretty good advice since you never have to learn how to draw realistic heads once you learn how to make emoji heads.

>>4300955

practice gesture until you understand it. your drawing still look stiff. always exaggerate poses in gesture stage. as you move to construction and anatomy it will get stiffer so exaggerating in gesture stage helps with retaining the flow of the pose as you progress.

>>4298642
This is exactly how I feel. I forced myself through 20 pages before I said, "fuck this" and moved onto learning how to draw real heads.

>>4298795
If anime grills were real, I would never go back home.

>>4300707
>>4300708

how comfortable are you drawing it? can drawing a similar head without any ref. combine the two features of the portraits to create an entirely new character? draw the same portrait from different angle? (front/side view)

>>4300415

keep it up. that woman photo is not good for gesture. that's a photo shoot set up. she probably was ask to hold that pose while someone else push the sandbag around. she's not in action. better look at some high quality martial art video and take screenshots from it.

if you can find a high quality Gif images you can pop it up in Photoshop and see it image by image in the timeline.

Please critique. How can i make my lines cleaner and more confident?
First time seriously practicing.

>>4301174
That's a good start. If you want more confidence you must repeat the same things over and over and over and over. Iteration is the key, although very hard to keep it up with

When am I allowed to draw cute animu girls with all the bargues, still lifes, exercises and studies?

>>4301088
no, don't be a jackass

these all look like shit I don't feel like I'm doing it right

How do i stop mindlessly drawing?
Even when i use reference i'm not really thinking about what i'm doing. Every time i start drawing my brain just shuts off, what do?

>>4301174
>How can i make my lines cleaner and more confident?
Drawing a lot and knowing what you're going to draw. So just keep practicing everything else and your lines will be more confident as you go

>>4300782
>>4300792
Okay I think that I'm slowly getting it, is this better?

>>4301174
Do ghosting life and ellipses exercises and draw with pen not pencil. It forces you to actually be meaningful with your lines since you can’t easily correct them without it looking horrible

first time drawing my own pose instead of copying one, am I gmi?

>>4301251
>hiding the feet with black spots
don’t do that

Any tips to make this guy hotter

>>4301259
Sorry about horozontal

>>4301259
is s/he a guy or a gal?

Are you supposed to see the flat sides of the head from the bottom like in the upper pic or just roundness.

>>4301259
don't draw on lined paper.

>>4301271
Guy

>>4299983
you forgot to draw knuckles

>>4299117
>Work on anatomy start from the bottom and end it with the head ;)
Will do

feels good that even this pro struggle with the line exercise

>>4301300
Woah, woah, woah... Does this work better than starting with the head?

I'm currently extremely frustrated drawing the head. I keep drawing and trying to learn new ways to draw the head and I've done a ton of Loomis heads and while I'm improving, it's only just barely. It's getting pretty frustrating and I'm not entirely sure what to do.

I'm thinking of giving up semi-realism and just draw anime heads since it seems easier. What do you think?

>>4299575
Anatomy, proportions, colors, and symbol drawing here. Work on all of these things

>>4301326
Just for clarification, I understand the face is pretty much just symbol drawing and doesn't look great. And the colors are just random highlighters I had. But would you mind telling me what proportions are off specifically?

>>4301330
I don’t think that the arms are the right length In relativity to the leg. Torso in a weird way seems too long. Also the fingers/hands and breasts look weird and could use some work. Anatomy needs work even if this is stylistic

>>4301339
Ok, thanks for the feedback. I'll look more into proportions and anatomy.

Drawing tablet just arrived. After some annoyance with drivers and getting left-handed mode to work, I did a bit of messing around. It's pretty cool so far.

How the FUCK do I start with figure drawing? I can't draw for absolute fucking shit and every time I try to draw some figure from reference it ends up looking like massive dogshit.

I mostly do sketches and figure drawing so my linework is pretty trash, as are my hands and feet.

Does anyone have any link to some pose ref library?

>>4301369
would something like quickpose work for you?

>>4301371
I will need to carry it around

>>4301373
well quickpose is a site, so if you have a laptop you can carry it.

>>4301364
That reminds me of this comic

>>4301381
Maybe I'm biased but I'm pretty sure that headturn is possible, although maybe not with that neck.

>>4301388
Yeah it's possible for certain people but in general people can only turn their head 90 degrees.

Draw through and follow the axis's of the head. Her left ear is pointing towards the right side of her body.

>>4301399
Sure, thanks for the input.

How would I go about lighting a lineart object from an arbitrary angle without making it looks like a bunch of dark splotches?

Are there any rules of thumb?

Why does the sketch look so much better than my attempt at clean lineart? Can I just throw messy lines at the lineart to make it sketchy on purpose?

But it's not just that, I think the face itself was also better on the sketch. It's so hard to make it perfect, I spent like 3 hours doing the sketch face but then I can't 100% replicate it for the lineart

>>4301457
That is because sketches are ambiguous and that your mind fills in the missing pieces or idealized the pieces to make it whole.

Once you start to clean up to make it less ambiguous, you lose the ability to idealize the sketch.

You are left with harsh truth that it was bad to begin with and that all the sketchy lines you drew was to hide the fact you didn't know which was the good line to draw and just flailed around aimlessly until you got close to your mark.

And even then you still couldn't chose the right line in your clean up.

Do you still gain experience from drawing even if that drawing is shit? Basically, I was trying to just sketch some lewd of a new Yu-Gi-Oh card just revealed, and I was using a model reference so I got the body looking right, but I just fucked up the face, the clothes, hair and I trashed it and felt like I just wasted time. But I didn't because I still had to draw the body/figure, right?

Ive been trying to do some figure drawing, and would appreciate some feedback on things im consistently getting wrong. I know the squatting girl's right arm is too long, and my shading in general is ugly. I did these in order from left to right, top to bottom. Thank you

>>4301521
These are the references I used.

>>4301508
Yes, aslong as the next drawing is a little bit better, and the one after that is a little bit better.

Even if you draw something absolutely hideous, if you can identify one little mistake and then figure out why it was a mistake, how you made the mistake and make attempts to avoid it in the future, then it is well worth it to make the mistake.

>>4301194
the center line shouldnt just be a straight line

>>4301526
I see. Thank you for that info. I'm feeling a bit better now. Maybe I'll try it again when it's not so late. But yeah, that makes sense, thanks again.

when will the grind end? i haven't been able to even start learning fundies because i've been filling 40+ pages with cubes just so i can draw relatively straight lines and they still pretty much look like shit, and then i'm gonna have to grind cylinders and spheres so i have decent enough circles, then drawing precisely without death gripping my pen, then precisely shoulder drawing, all that probably isn't even 1% of what i have to practice before i have the ability to draw what i really want, right?

>>4301521
>>4301525
Construction aside, you need to train your observational drawing more. The fact that the heads all facing in different directions than the reference indicates to me that you had an "idea" of the pose and drew from that idea in your head rather than fully utilizing the reference.

After placing a major mass, like the head, use that as a point of reference to map out where key points would be. Like trench coat man, using the head as a point of reference, I know the top of the head lines up with the base of his fingers. Using the hand behind his head, if I drop a line straight down, I know where his big toe will touch the floor.

With the running woman, the green shows how you can use negative space to check.

This is not to make you a xerox machine but to help you self assess yourself.

>>4301561
Thank you very much. I’m the case of the running woman, I was trying to exaggerate her pose, which is why I put her arm closer to the chest. The two you have highlighted were the first two I did, but I completely agree with your points. Thank you again.

>>4301553
Grinding is a myth. Your technical skills will improve naturally but all the time spend "learning to draw straight lines" is time that you could have spent learning to draw straight lines while, at the same time, learning how to construct complex 3D objects on a flat plane with perspective, or learning proportions.

If you don't finish your practice with a concrete problem in your work that you can point to which you have identified (and, ideally, solved) then your practice was worthless because you're just going to do the same shit next time without knowing why it looks like shit.

>>4298238
Currently reading through loomis, How necessary is his exercise on proportion? seems needlessly tedious, seems to me just keeping in mind what the proportions should roughly be while sketching should suffice. As long as you're actually checking them, and recognizing where you went wrong.

>>4301585
Drop Loomis.

Loomis is for absolute fucking beginners who have no idea that construction is even a thing. Once you know that construction exists, you've learned everything that Loomis has to teach you. Draw from life using construction, don't draw from imagination.

And construct the shapes using planes.

Although this isn't a totally useless reference for proportions either.

>>4301591
>Draw from life using construction, don't draw from imagination.
By which I mean you'd be better served applying construction techniques to reference images, rather than trying to construct something from nothing, if you want to git gud - at least for a little while.

Not literally don't ever draw from imagination.

>>4301591
What do you mean when you say construct the shapes using planes? Currently I'm doing construction using basic 3d shapes.

new
>>4301615

>>4301607
If you're drawing animals you need to add planes which reflect the underlying bone structure. A human head isn't a sphere. It's a very irregular shaped object. The planes add the detail required to actually make it look like a head.

Construction begins with drawing basic 3D shapes but you need to divide them into complex 3D shapes using planes.

>>4301259
please be a tranny

>>4301319
>Does this work better than starting with the head?
Dont know yet But will try today will update you on how its going.

>I'm currently extremely frustrated drawing the head. I keep drawing and trying to learn new ways to draw the head and I've done a ton of Loomis heads and while I'm improving, it's only just barely. It's getting pretty frustrating and I'm not entirely sure what to do.

Same but this video helped me out a little when constructing the head. https://youtu.be/0jHhb1W5Wnw?list=LLDVhIycCSSlfVUWPx1vXo-w&t=218

>I'm thinking of giving up semi-realism and just draw anime heads since it seems easier. What do you think?

I dont know about the anime heads since I never drew any but feel free to experiment and post on /beg/ for critiques that will help you improve.
Im not the best one for helping and giving advice to art but since you asked I will try to help to the best of my ability fren.

Also in pic related do you anything about drawing hands been having trouble recently.

>>4301705
>Also in pic related do you anything about drawing hands been having trouble recent
fuck I ment to type do you know anything

>>4301319
>>4301319
>Woah, woah, woah... Does this work better than starting with the head?

No idea but will update you on what happens

>I'm currently extremely frustrated drawing the head. I keep drawing and trying to learn new ways to draw the head and I've done a ton of Loomis heads and while I'm improving, it's only just barely. It's getting pretty frustrating and I'm not entirely sure what to do.

Same been having trouble with heads for awhile but this video helped me out when constructing the head https://youtu.be/0jHhb1W5Wnw?list=LLDVhIycCSSlfVUWPx1vXo-w Go to 3:37 to what helped me.

>I'm thinking of giving up semi-realism and just draw anime heads since it seems easier. What do you think?

I dont know about the anime heads since I never drew any not know how they look. But keep experimenting and posting on /beg/ and potentially get good advice from a anon that is better then me should you choose one path or the other

Im not the best person to be giving advice or helping people in drawing but since you asked I will try my best fren.

Also in pic related been having trouble drawing hands (look in the middle) have anything for that?

>>4301735

>>4300573
nice

Here's a little red pill for all of you.
Symbol drawing isn't bad, you just have to replace your childish symbols for more mature and accurate symbols.
Pros still symbol draw, they just have better symbols.

>>4302023

>>4299629
>>4300272
thanks anon ill be posting more, hope to get some advices

Not great quality image, but this is an old drawing and I wanted to know what is wrong with this, besides the gesture because it was my first disappointment as a teenager.

>>4302023
Examples of this? It's probably obvious but I'm interested to see how this is the case.

So, I'm workin on a sketch and figure if I wanna improve, I might as well post my most basics of basics. Does the skeleton have to be really well done, or just so I know what the body is generally going to look like?

>>4301251
post construction sketch

>>4300609

This stuff is terrible. Try creative paperclay or ladoll. They have better tooth (surface texture) and dry at lot more even rate to a rock-hard finish. Less shrinkage too, after they dissolve all the water in the drying process.
Technically you do all the things you wanted with the clay you have and the ones I mentioned, however, you still need a surface primer for the finished scuplture if youre making a mold from it.