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>>4280119
good stuff.

i'll drop one more than bed.
put it in the last one.
fixed it a bit.

>>4280167
>>4280119
blog?

btw the "drawing" in op - rly?

>>4280192
https://klinckfoster.tumblr.com
https://www.instagram.com/klinck_foster/
https://twitter.com/ArtKlinck

>>4280140
Thanks anon!

>>4280192
https://twitter.com/art_mellon

Reposting the proper OP, because OP forgot again.

Post your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others! Don't take anything personal!
Please make sure your posted image is clear, downsized to around 1000 pixels wide, rotated to the correct orientation, and that any unused space is cropped.
If you want critique on a drawing from the previous thread, you can delete it there and repost in this one.

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>>4280380

i kinda new hear lol.

Frustration.

>>4280113
Took me like a week overall, way too long for this but I'm happy being my first ever digital

>>4280888
dude this is cool but read a bit about typography, that would help your work a lot.
https://www.designersinsights.com/designer-resources/learn-to-typeset-like-a-true-print-designer/https://www.canva.com/learn/design-rules/

>>4280888
dude this is cool but read a bit about typography, that would help your work a lot.
https://www.designersinsights.com/designer-resources/learn-to-typeset-like-a-true-print-designer/
https://www.canva.com/learn/design-rules/

>>4280913
Thanks, I agree
I just wanted to be done with it after I finished drawing and also wanted to keep as close to this reference as possible

>>4280919
But see how the type is over the body and when it's left justified, it's because its on the left. Fix it brother. Don't justify your laziness.

>>4280922
You've got a really good point there, thank God I saved a text less version

>>4280922
>Don't justify your laziness.

thats a pun im gonna use in type class for sure

>>4280701
it's fine, good the thread is being created at all I guess.

I might go back to this and add a funky background

Made this for my Youtube banner, I don't think I got the dimensions right but fuck it, it's still going up there.

>>4281149
those bright wiggly little pubes on the top of her head look really lazily done

I know I'm still doing boring compositions and poses. I've heard the criticisms, and I continue to think about them daily. But I don't think I'm good enough at painting characters or backgrounds to try for more dynamic comps just yet. But rest assured, I'm working my way towards it bit by bit.

As for this piece, I'm mostly looking for light and color critiques. Maybe if there're any perspective issues I missed.

>>4281042
i like this a lot

look at a few pics of something.
then draw its likeness.

sketches I'm doing at the moment

>>4280922
>>4280913
fixed text

>>4281444
i am beyond retarded...

oink oink

>>4281207
Haha, I laughed reading that but fuck, they really do look like pubes. I'll definitely get rid of them in the next version, thank you for pointing out

Trying to get used to this new tablet, the software, and the available tools in it. Decided to do a value study, I want to work on more personal stuff now, so I’ll polish it later. Does anyone recognize the movie?

>>4281042
I absolutely love this. Is that Wanderer?
>>4281320
It could use some more brighter highlights to drag attention to specific spots. Try playing with the levels.

>>4281320
Your perception and knowledge of painting is skewed. You need to take a step back and actually see what youre trying to go for here. Your edge control is bad, possibly because u only use one or two brushes. And you dont know how to utilize your layers to control edges better. Painting in one layer is a meme. In most cases its using layers than merging at certain points. Using those layers to control lighting. So relax and that stupid brush and pick up a soft brush for actual transitions and use a round brush. Use that ugly sponge texture sparingly i dont give a fuck if you think you can render with it. Thats not the point here. You are no where near good enough or confident enough to finish something with it.

>>4281446
>>4281444
Where is the title text on >>4280919? As an exercise, try putting your chosen title's text over your art. Not above it, OVER it.

>>4281759
If you'd like to post an example of something that demonstrates and adheres to your principles, and make an argument for why switching to the hard round would be an objective improvement, I'm all ears. I wish you would. But I'm not convinced yet, because I'm under the impression that you think brushes augment or bottleneck raw painting ability. And they don't. They're strictly for aesthetic.

So yeah. Direct me to an artist that makes solid work with primarily a hard round. Nothing personal, but I'm not going to just take your word for it. I still don't think the hard round and soft round can accomplish anything that simply glazing with a texture brush on low flow and opacity can't. Hope you understand where I'm coming from.

>>4281320
hey anon i like your work a lot. always happy to see it on insta. i kinda agree with that other commenter about the "sponge" brush (is it the chalky brush from ps?), i mean, dont ditch it completely if you like it, maybe just use it more sparingly? you know if you make too many brush strokes that look similar it kinda becomes to look like a weird pattern, you want it to look organic. thats why painting teachers are always so anal about changing your brushes and angle of your strokes every few minutes. also i think you could've benefited from creating a cleaner hard edge in that rim light, it looks scribbly/hairy rn. keep drawing & posting !

>>4281042
clothes look flat, all of them but especially the legs

>>4281866
>>4281866
Lol fuck you. Literally takes seconds of looking up any asian artist that knows how to use soft and round and texture. The only thing that seperats ur garbage brush from the rest is the texture. So yes you fucking moron these drawings look like shit because you do not know how to balance texture in a drawing. And you mkssex the part of the problem isnt the brush its you. Delude urself some more into thinking your drawinf looks aesthetic lol.

>>4281973
He asked nicely and you resort to calling him a fucking moron and saying his drawings are shit. he just wants to understand. I see him posting frequently and making a real progress as opposed to majority of the sub so you could either take time to respond or ignore if you think hes being a moron

>>4281320
You're right that this is a little stiff but there's a lot I like about it. My advice for this one is keep in mind clear light sources, push the shadows and forms more, keep the contrast much lower on stuff that isn't important and bump it up on your focal character.

>>4281759
>pick up a soft brush for actual transitions and use a round brush.

making this 4 a friend as surprise

made from reference

>>4282410
hope your friend is a dude

i need to practice faces and hands. face went through several iterations before i gave up

wings took a bit.
i think they look right.

>>4283072
fixed.
difficult angle

>>4282877
>gay

>>4282410
;0

>>4283597
i like that sketch, good perspective and clothing foldes. and your character shows through the drawing.

>>4280119
Drawing between painting break

>>4281042
I fucks with this. Nice color palette too.

>>4283117
very nice

Some unfinished shit.

>>4281202
I have no critique to give. I love this.

>>4283714
Damn, blog?

>>4283770
I'm @vshtone on Twitter, but I haven't posted to it much yet. Planning to be way more active with 2020.

>>4283714
Lovely

>>4283820
Thank you!

currently working on pic in MS Paint because my actual laptop with all my photoshop and works is dead, so doodling in Paint until my new PC rolls in and i can resume the good shit

MS paint is surprisingly fun to draw in bros

>>4283906
Stop being a pussy and push those values

These three are characters in a very nsfw story series I'm currently writing that is loosely set in the Warhammer 40k universe. I'm no artist by any stretch and I mainly make pics as support to storytelling rather than super accurate realism.
...and yes, their eyes are supposed to be like that (context within the story series)

>>4284172
Is that the only expression they can make?

>>4284276
still learning to give faces emotions other than angry and souless sadly :(

>>4281973
do you have artist for that anon? reverse google didn't show anything

Coming down home stretch on this.

>>4280113

>>4281320
That one anon is being a dick about the brush thing, you’re doing fine. If anything I would experiment with using the lasso tool to create harder edges, you don’t really need to change anything with your brushes otherwise as it’s completely possible to get whatever transitions you need with the brush you’re using and the lasso. Keep up the good work anon.

>>4281320
it's harder than it seems. I saw you were going for rimlight on the hood so I just tried intensify it and overall unify values on the figure with specific lightsource in mind.

Going a little crazy with the rendering, changed the lighting a smidge.

>>4285713
Yo aki i've been following you since you started posting on here and dude you've pretty much been painting the same 3 pictures all this time, time to push outside your comfort zone and really push yourself.
Also it's really obvious that you're trying to ape a lot from Ruan Jia, so why aren't you also stealing how he uses color? When I did this quick overpaint i couldn't help but tell how desaturated and dirty your colors are.
Also you tend to paint your figures really stiff, start doing some gesture drawing buddy.
Best of luck.

>>4285804
Well it wasn't really about the gesture, it was moreso about the design.

I'm doing all this simple, boring stuff because I'm still not doing it at the level I want to be doing it at. I can't even get consistent lighting on a guy standing in a neutral pose, let alone some dynamic pose with lots of shit going on. It's like I'm trying to learn to walk before I practice running.

Also backgrounds. I suck at backgrounds. There's a lot of simple stuff that I'm bad at doing, so I'm trying to fix that stuff bit by bit.

>>4285835
You only get better at what you do my friend.

No clue about expressions. Whenever I deviate from "indifferent" it looks like shit

>>4285713
Very good, but you don't seem to give much thought to value ranges. The cape is a dark fabric, the value range should be extremely low and defined mostly with shadows. The way you rendered it is more akin to brushed metal.

>>4282138
I like how you didn't over exaggerate the butt.
She looks vulnerable and cute.

>>4283637
The soul is there, but you should've spent a little more time figuring things out with thumbnails in the early stages.
The pose could've been pushed more and many tangents could've been avoided. Posting red in a bit

>>4284324
not him but should be from here
https://www.artstation.com/pierolodovicoa

>>4285804
Is this better for the gesture? And less "The same thing I've been painting"?

>>4285863
>No clue about expressions. Whenever I deviate from "indifferent" it looks like shit
Go to the anime study thread and find the link to the japanese books mega.
Theres a book there all about facial expressions.
It's in japanese but the examples should still be usefull.

hirschl study after seeing his painting in gurney color and light

>>4285885
ye for sure, not as static and symmetric. Symmetry and static poses are fine and all but they are very boring unless you paint them extremely fucking well or if they are symmetric to serve the composition/story telling of a piece like pic related for instance.
What I would do however with your new drawing is extend the left side of the canvas so that the main character isn't barely squeezed into the comp.

>>4285863
Pic related

>>4285885
Looks cool, maybe placing the camera lower would make the figure look more triumphant?
I can't agree with the other anon about weak gesture - it wasn't as dynamic, but not all gestures have to be dynamic. They can be peaceful, menacing, anxious, tired... it all depends on what you want to communicate.

>>4285902
What are you trying to study?
If it's values, I'd use a more opaque brush, that's the only way to learn to think ahead.
If it's composition, I'd use the entire pic and not go as far into rendering.

Always set a goal before doing a study, simply copying a good painting won't do

>>4285895
Thanks bud. I don't usually draw animu so this is helpful

>>4285907
i was doing the whole painting slowly but gave up and decided to just finish the corner

you're right that I should start setting goals for my exercises though

>>4285885
The composition is 100x better but I think the gesture is still stiff. How much does that sword weigh? He just killed some brute, is he out of breath? What is his reaction to victory? Solemn? Triumphant?

>>4285915
>he
I'd imagine the sword doesn't weigh very much considering she's holding it with one hand. It's manageable and not unwieldy. Does it look a bit light in her hand despite how frail she looks? Perhaps she's not quite human.

>Is he out of breath? What is his reaction to victory? Solemn? Triumphant?
Based on what I know about the character, I'd imagine she's not feeling much of anything. Just business as usual for another friendly neighborhood monster slayer.

I don't mean to be a dick here, but I really don't care about relating to the viewer with mundane themes like "Oh man, I just killed this monster. I'm so worn out, jeez. Look how relatable I am to you", or "Man, this big sword is so heavy, it really takes a toll on me to use it for so long". I don't care about answering those questions. They're extremely basic and uninteresting, to me personally.

All I care about is pushing the envelope on shape design and painting sexy lighting on top of a solid drawing. I like compositions that focus on shape rather than narrative. I've said this a million times, but there's no single painting that conveys a narrative better than a comic with context could. I'm not a fucking story-teller. I'm a painter.

Despite the snarky reply, I do genuinely appreciate you taking the time to share your input, please don't think otherwise.

>>4285863
the eyebrows are too expressive to look indifferent

>>4285907
>clearer silhouette

That one rule always gets past me, I think I'll just have to add it to my wall as a reminder. But thank you kind anon, this will definitely help in the painting stages.

>>4285960
>I'm not a fucking story-teller. I'm a painter.

you're depicting a scene. essentially you are telling a story. sounds like you prefer doing abstract art or graphic design. might want to pursue that instead.

>>4280167

that face looks familiar...

>>4286136
>Characters standing in an environment is automatically telling a story, and if it's not telling a story, then it can only be abstract or graphic design.

I'm guessing you've never heard of Sargent then. Or perhaps all those beautiful brush strokes and the masterful technique was completely lost on you because it wasn't telling a story or answering all your silly checklist of vapid narrative inquiries?

Pic related is no doubt my greatest masterpiece of this lifetime, and I dedicate it solely to you. Look at me, I'm an illustrator now.

>>4286119

>>4286119
cool

>>4286220

if you want to focus on technique paint clothing or pottery. if you paint a scene you're gonna get critique based on story telling.

Also you are not at the level where you can look down on anything and not look like a whiny ass bitch. Sargent painting have emotions, there's story behind the people he painted. and his technique enhances that. if you cant see that might as well stop. you should know your place and integrate into normal society.

>>4286434
>If you want to focus on technique
No, it's fine, I'll just forego all my technical goals and aspirations and just do narrative rough sketches to placate you. It's all good, I've already got it all figured out.

>Also, you are not at the level where you can look down on anything and not look like a whiny ass bitch.
Debatable, really. What's also debatable is if you're even skilled enough to be talking down to me in matters of skill in painting. Sounds like baseless posturing to me.

>Sargent paintings have emotions
Invoking emotion is not an exact science. Everyone gets what they personally get out of art. It's not practical to attempt to engineer a painting to invoke emotions. Doing so results in a very shallow result that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

>There's story behind the people he painted
Really? Did his paintings tell you that? No, they didn't. You read about this in a book after the fact and then it changed the way you looked at his work because it gave you context. Context the paintings themselves don't give you unless you were told. Sargent was not an illustrator, he was a fine artist.

Study

Done with the clean inks

>>4286484

you're dumb. your art is dead there's no life in it. that explains why you need things to be literal. and yet you dare to mention Sargent. what a fucking clown.

>>4287163
>Loses argument
>Resorts to personal attacks

I made the sketch for this years ago, i've tried several times to get it to work, but i never like the results.

Hey draw, Here's today's batch of studies. I'd love some feedback on errors made. I can post reference if needed, but I think just general help and a slap on the ass to go back to /beg/ will do

Meet Carl.
He's a real bastard.
wip

not sure if ill finish this.
could be cool.
maybe not though.

>>4287499
Not /beg/. Nice form work. Maybe use line weight to make the eyes, noses and mouths more important cuz currently your heaviest lines are on the jaws. Love dishonoured.
>>4287552
Good composition and values, but use harder-edged brushes. Soft brushes are not the same thing as a light touch.
Pic rel is efforts to make more consistent, different characters

>>4287618
Sorry for canted picture, am phone posting

I can never get a clean sketch for the life of me, and it gets bad to the point I lose myself in all the lines, not to mention all the time I waste trying to erase the old lines from the new ones. Pic related is a pretty good example of what ends up happening, where I get lines that look really scratchy because they're basically tens of lines crossed over one another, and kinda erased into shape. It's a big mess, and it has been a big problem for me.

I wanted to ask what's the better way, from a /beg/ standpoint, of going about sketching. Is it just a matter of sketching in "steps", where you basically do blocking first, then erase, then do a more detailed pass, and so on? Isn't this too much work for busy scenes? What about people who do it on paper? Is it just a matter of getting everything sort of correct on my first try (not going to happen any time soon, hah)? And on top of that, how do pros do it?

Honestly, I just see everyone sketching and just putting everything in the right place first time, and I feel like a fucking neanderthal, because I need to draw a form like 5 times before I get what I want from my head. It feels like one of those things that should be as natural as breathing, and yet I just simply can't.

>>4287760
Draw in pen, or draw in pencil with no eraser. Do not use digital for sketching.
'Sketching', insofar as it has any definition, is where an artist draws something without paying too much mind as to how polished it is. An eraser is the antithesis to a sketch.
Do not erase, work in pen. Will mistakes be made? Yes. But if you don’t erase, you will make mistakes quickly and learn faster than if you make a mistake, erase it and make it the exact same way again.

>>4287760
If you want a clean sketch on digital, sketch it first and then lower the opacity, open a new layer and only do clean lines, if you miss a line you ctrlZ.

That's basically it.

I've seen some japanese artists have 2-3 layers of correction before doing the final lineart layer.

>>4287499

you don't belong in /beg/ it's a good study. Now I want to see your original drawing.

>>4287778
>Draw in pen, or draw in pencil with no eraser.
I did that a lot when starting out. If you're curious, I started with keys to drawing, did all the exercises in that (I didn't draw one of the 3 trees, and I still feel bad about that...), and got great results very fast, but that kind of observational drawing is very different from imagination drawing, and if I did that, I'd always end up with a mess of lines I couldn't manage, so I doubt that's the answer here. I'm not saying it's not a good idea, I'm just saying I'm garbo, and would never get anything done.

>'Sketching', insofar as it has any definition, is where an artist draws something without paying too much mind as to how polished it is.
Ok, then that's not what I meant. What would you call something that's supposed to be eventually turned into a final, finished, piece, then? That's what I'm looking for.

>>4287788
Ok, thanks, I'm going to try this, wish me patience, anon. I know loomis (at least in keys to drawing), uses this style of "draw, then erase till light, and then draw again", which is basically what you're refering to, so maybe I'll check the book out again.

>>4287814
Finished pieces are a meme. The idea of a finished piece assumes you can take a sketch, which you do a lot of, and then draw over it or paint it, which you do less of presumably because you finish fewer pieces than you sketch.
But how can one be equally as good at finishing or painting as one is at sketching, if one sketches, say, ten times as much as one paints? You’re complaining that you’re worse at something you do less of.
If you want to make nice line work, practice nice line work, don’t practice trying to bring a drawing from concept to utter completion. Similarly, if you want to make nice paintings that come from sketches, you would have to paint as much as you sketch, often painting for painting's sake.

>>4280113
Thanks for posting my picture OP, that was actually my second digital painting ever. Pic related is my first. If anyone has some questions or advice please let me know.

>>4287826
I think I see what you're saying, but just to make sure: you're basically saying that, if I want to make something with pretty lines, I should already be proficient enough at drawing (and already know what I'll be drawing well enough), to put it down without needing that much reiterating, and I should also be proficient enough at lines to then line it properly, is that it? So basically I should focus on getting it right the first time, like I mentioned above, and if I can't get it right, I need to practice more the individual parts I didn't get right?

>>4287898
Yes. Art is the sum of its parts, plus soul. You only get better at what you practice so you shouldn’t be surprised that you fail at what you don’t practice.
And also, art is just the hours. There are logical, even scientific ways to accelerate the process but it will still take time. You must bravely confront your problems, accept failure, and drill every day.

>>4286653
This is great stuff. How do you choose your values? 30 60 80?

>>4287570
Wings are too round. And the feathers on the tips of the wings should be much more prominent and protrude outwards.

>>4287794
Self portrait? tired pushing darks more uniformly

>>4287972
Nose kinda looks a little off but desu anon if that's accurate you're kinda cute senpai

>>4287954
I completely forgot that there's a hsb slider in clip studio lol. I just pick the midtone first, then just go above and below.

The 30/60/80 value numbers sounds a lot smarter, I'll try that for tonight's round of studying.

>>4287861
you've got some serious edge control issue and the drawings are lacking in color theory and values, which tells me you dont really understand these to begin with. im saying this based on OP and this drawing. take a step back and think about what youre trying to achieve with these colors and brushes. please take a step back to work on your understanding on fundamentals laws of light and color.

>>4287993
All you did was remove the soul from it.
When will niggers like you realize that art doesn't have to follow a strict pattern to look good?
Good illustrators will always go for what looks best, even if it makes their art less realistic or not follow some rules.

>>4288002
i already told you to pyw before you start with your niggering autism breakdown again

>>4288022
You really did strip out the soul kek, and I don't think he was even the guy who made it but lmao try harder buddy boyo

>>4287972

nice! keep it up anon. you're gmi.

>>4287993
You made his face pudgy and lost any sort of likeness that the original had.

>>4287861
Why is nobody calling out this hack for the obvious awful photobashing?
What has /ic/ come to?

First time posting, acrylics on paper

>>4287972
Really like the face! Nose and lips kind of feel off, but still really good

>>4285913
morning one from ovopack

need to start doing some from imagination

>>4288144
It's not worth the effort to do so on this board anymore. People can't see what they can't see, even when it's obvious like the shoulder armor in OP's pic.

Just focus on the people worth responding to/helping.

did a figure drawing today

>>4287993
>destroying the entire low-end value range, losing the form, and thinking it's an improvement
please don't do paintovers if you're beg tier.

>>4287993
you fucking ruined it

>>4288181
And you managed to ruin it once again. Good job you hamfisted ape

>>4288181

I really love this! You managed to put the detail in the right places. The only problem I have with this is the whole outlining thing that you're doing. I don't think you need to outline the whole silhouette with a homogenous outline. You even went more subtle with it on his head which kind of fucks with the focus of the image. You probably know this but I'd say the hierarchy with line thickness is something like:

1. Things that are close
2. Things that are heavy
3. Things that are of importance
4. Things that are in front of something (lines intersecting lines behind)
5. etc.

The rules don't have to be what I wrote but you need some cohesion in your stuff. Anyways: 9/10. Really nice!

>>4288002 >>4288065 >>4288194 >>4288227

^I hope you guys are fucking kidding. The overpaint is pretty bad (they made a valid point though) but so is the original. Facial anatomy is pretty fucked up even though it's from the easiest possible angle and probably from reference. A lot of texture with really bad/minimal value construction. Really bad control over the colors and ambient light... I could go on.

I don't hate the original, I'm just amazed at how much you boys are willing to suck cock because you love a mediocre TV-show (I guess, or maybe you're all just fucking incompetent and stupid or maybe all these comments are from OP?). I do like the textures he got in dat burnt umbra shit on the neck.

>>4288266
I don't think the original is all that great, but when you're the kind of person who does an autistic paintover crit and makes it worse, you should probably rethink your shit and have a reality check.

>>4288266
I hope (You) are fucking kidding

>>4288266
>Facial anatomy is pretty fucked up
I have no love for OP's pic and it's clearly a cheap paintover, but the correction is worse.

>>4288273

I didn't do the paintover. Might do one now though since you guys are this fucking autistic. I even said the overpainting was "pretty bad". I didn't do it. Are you fucking illiterate/retarded or what?

>>4288277

Kidding about what? What are you even talking about?

>>4288278

I agree. (the guy you're commenting at) but I think the critiques the overpainter-dude said were pretty accurate but he/she did do a really bad job on the overpainting... I tried to give my 2 cents before but the autism is killing me.

>>4288278

Aww, and that's the original? Yeah. See, the shitty overpainting person was right even though their work was shit. I'll show you where I got with my overpainting in ~5 minutes even though it's redundant now since we have the original (pic. related). Feels good to know I was going in the right direction without the OG reference (personal victory here).

My point was: They're focusing on texture when they should be focusing on the value before anything. They fucked up the color and blah blah blah.

I still don't hate the original. I just hate when people start being overprotective of something when it's not really good.

Still feels good to know I was right because I'm a fucking narcissist and I always need to be right.

what can I do to improve my drawing.

Everything I paint is horrible, and im really getting out of my comfort zone using color and nothing looks good. everything besides the face was rushed, hair looks like garbage.

study, getting closer to understanding some of the value shifts. cheek and jaw area still difficult.

>>4288345
I guess this is photo ref but it's not bad, just a little flat and lazy. take it easy on the highlights, establish forms more with darker values.

Don't cheap out with pseudolines for detail. Facial detail is usually more saturated than it is dark

The eye details are only wack because the values are wrong

>>4287993
> please take a step back to work on your understanding on fundamentals laws of light and color
> fucking up the values that bad and calling it a fix

>>4288345
i actually like it anon

>>4288349
looks really good, blog?

>>4280119
What sort of brush is this? I use sai, which is less popular, but there’s gotta be a brush set to emulate this

Geralt of rivia i did, any critique or suggestions more than welcome

>>4287993
Thank you for your critique. I don't agree that you made my original painting into a smudgy mess by ruining the colours and contrast, but the rest made sense and I'm going to work on it. It's my second painting, so logically I still have a way to go. And yes it's based on reference.
>>4288144
I don't even know what photo bashing is but after googling it you're wrong. I blurred the shoulder and in hindsight it doesn't look that good, but it isn't photobashed.

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>>4288294
>>4288401

All this shitstorm and no one, literally no one took 5 minutes to do their version of overpaint. if someone did and it was better i would say “shit hes right, i fucked up, i should work on my skills more”, but all this tantrum and no fucking drawings to back it up!? im the only one that tried to correct any of op’s paintings that are obviously horrible, despite what you think i really dont feel bad about my overpaint when no one else is willing to do theirs (or even actually TRY to give crit). ONE fucking overpaint would shut me up better than this pathetic shitstorm and other people would actually learn something from all of this. now all that we can see here is one person attempting to give crit and a bunch of angry idiots yelling about it, you just cant take this place seriously. at least point out whats wrong with my values or colors so that someone can LEARN from this jesus christ.

>>4288466

its good which is why i posted it.
don't listen to these retards.
it should be called the terrible advice thread.

>>4288312
needs some details. Add a wire to the headphones, some stiches to the clothes or something

>>4288469
You overblended the face plane changes, which rounds his face out.

>>4289421
damn, anon shat on him

>>4283597
>RAPE WARRIOR

>>4288150

looks cool

>>4289421
big respect, my overpaint is way worse than yours and i can learn a lot from it

doodles

>>4289421
this place does have some really good artists huh, thanks anon.

>>4289421
how do you go from step 3 to 4?
do you use layer filters or is it just by colour picking or using a palette?

>>4288169

nothing as soul crushing as practicing figure drawing. tonight's study.

>>4289868
I hate when people prepare their sketches and studies to be viewed by others.

>little notes that dont need to be written down
>disclaimers that its just a study or a practice or a doodle

>>4289871
writing out what's wrong with something helps me learn.

get rid of that hate in your heart.

>>4289876
Nah fuck off

>>4289878
cope harder

>>4288312
Look for ways to render the yellow jacket better, it looks like shit. Also maybe render the shorts better too. Shade the arms better. Other than that, add some highlights to the skin.

All in all, it's not that bad, you're on the right path, but seriously if you learn to render clothes better it will look much, much better.

For the jacket, find real life reference and try to render it before applying to your picture.

>>4288446
Don't know if I would be much help but, but I'm on csp, and for painting the background color, I made a hard round brush with the brush tip being some weird blob mess that fades a bit on the edges. The brush that creates texture, I got from cs assets, called "Quinn set" and it's the smooth noise painting (round) brush, though I just added a paper texture to it, to achieve a more dignified look to it.

I posted this on /beg/ but got no replys
I just gotta get some critique on the colors(and everything else, honestly) and some help on working with PS, been using SAI for a long while and i've been feeling kinda stuck.
The blending on SAI is, to me, the best possible, and the way i change brush sizes too, i just hit the shortcut, move the pen a bit and set the size. Is there a way to get that same thing with PS?

>>4290583
Using the soft/hard round brushes and applying the Pen Pressure button for the brush works wonders.

The pencil in a circle icons after Opacity and Smoothing are the ones you want on, like on this, which will help you get the pressure you want, which is nice for blending.

"B" is the brush tool keybind in PS, however pressing this over and over goes through 3/4 different kinds of brush, but your main one is just the Brush tool (little paintbrush icon). You can also change the style of your brush (I'll reply to this message with a screenshot of it + explain).

The "[" and "]" keys are used to change the size of the brush, "[" making the brush smaller and "]" larger.

"E" is for the eraser/rubber tool, simple enough. "I" is the colour picker or eyedropper tool. These are simple keybinds but if you wanna change them or just get rid of a shitload you can (plus you can save your keybinds too).

Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts will be your go to for changing them, or Alt+Shift+Ctrl+K but fuck that.

As for critique: I like how soft the colours you're using are, and I like how you've implemented hints of yellowish green into the foliage of your cutout.
The reflection on the window make it look like it's a nice and soft early morning (are you using a ref? Only because with windows you can see the inside of buildings slightly and they will reflect too).
The strokes you're using are giving it some good shape too, don't be afraid to build them up though to make them look solid.

>>4290583
>>4290819
And then for your brush settings and changing their texture/shape, either go to the bar at the top, click the downward arrow next to the current brush selected and the window opens.

Alternately, right clicking with the mouse or using one of your tablet pen buttons when on your open canvas opens the window too.

But just explore PS at your own pace, and just have a look at what's to offer. I used to be SAI and moved to PS a few years ago, and imo I prefer PS.

>>4289868
Very nice

>>4287492
You need to study light reflections on glass.
So far it just looks flat. And the green kinda blends in to the octopus for the glass.
The glass looks more polygonal with your coloring.
I still think it's cute though.

>>4280113
Vampire

>>4290863
Don't give her half an expression, either fully commit or just make her blank.

>>4290890
Yeah, maybe I should make her a bit angry by changing her eyebrows. Good advice.

Well this turned into an identity crisis. Give me a soul no soul check on these.
oh and ignore the glasses for now >>4290846
pointed out that i need a reference already.

>>4280113
I don't know how to animate but I'm going to find out and animate this

>>4290993
Just pulled this up on my phone to download it and the image is over-saturated? I never make digital art. This was via Krita; help?

>>4290992
It takes seconds to google octopuses and glasses. Create a giant canvas and put 5 - 10 refs around your canvas. Then try to find common patterns among them to use in your drawing

>>4281202
Bring up his knee a bit more his leg is in an awkward position. Otherwise, cute.

screwin around.

>>4290863
PUSH

THE

VALUES

>>4290992
Your octopus feels like a slime ball. Like a slime booger monster. Maybe some stronger glistening/reflections on him as well. Maybe even some liquor spilling out.
I really like the sketchy octopus. It feels like old timey drawings of sea monsters.
Is this supposed to be a cute drink representation of a martini?
Or an octopus that found its way into a martini glass?

Did some colors and light practice on a old red line.

>>4290992

#2 looks the best
3 has potential if you clean up the lines

>>4291668
Really nice. Blog?

Ello, i'm practicing anatomy atm. (right now working on pelvis/hip, leg/thigh/knee)

Is this approach recommended? I try to draw it from various perspective..
Critique is welcomed!

>>4290992
If you want to paint a glass, you should paint glass, you know what I mean? It's varying degrees of transparent and translucent.

>>4291699
Very nice. Love the lighting. Makes the octopus look more realistic than slime monster.

I'm trying to make a boogeroo esque painting to shove in the background of another painting. Does she look ugly or is she "classical painting ugly"

>>4291778
I thing she’s pretty.

willow charcoal and pastel pencil (FC Pitt Pastel) on Canson bristol paper (180gsm)

>>4291671
thanks, only have ig: https://www.instagram.com/bestabcna/

>>4289878
>>4289871
damn, hop off his fucking nuts. crab ass bitch nigga. GIT GUD

>>4289871
I'm with you on the unnecessary notes. I used to do that with my sketches back in highschool before I learned the self deprecating "explanatory" personal notes are cringy as fuck.

>>4289876
It doesn't help you learn. Do you forget that the face is too wide if you don't write that down? No. These comments are made for others to read them which I guarantee you makes you come off as incredibly insecure.

>>4291897
>before I learned the self deprecating "explanatory" personal notes are cringy as fuck
Wait, what?

Is it just notes that are self-depricating or taking notes in general? I take a shit ton of notes and over analyze everything. Not sure if this actually works though.

>>4289868
>>4291905
Oh, nevermind. I see what you mean.

I don’t do this cringey shit.

>>4291907
DOOD U R SOOO KEWL ^u^

>>4291897
I always say there should be less crabs on this board, and yet I've been a crab. All that said, >>4289868 >>4286653
these are good studies, keep doing them.

Astolfos from fgo (saber version)

>>4291699
awe fuck me, Please tell me it took at least an hour to do the paint over.
>>4291579
It was based of this which i did a while ago, supposed to be an octopus trying to camo, but got drunk instead.

>>4291949
It took less than 10 minutes, and probably closer to 5. It's not because I'm fast, it's because I used the proper tool for the job, which reduces the number of marks one needs to make.

It's obvious you used a small brush with low opacity, and tried to paint shadows by following the contour of your drawing, working slowly inward. What you should have done instead is use a large brush with high opacity, and paint light in the same direction of the light source, and paint shadows in the opposite direction.

Think shapes and edge control, not endless blending.

>>4289671
Overlay.

>>4291987
>5 minutes
oh fuck off no ones impressed why lie

>>4291987
I don't believe you. About 20 mins at best.

Underdrawing for an oil painting im going to do, something's fucky and im not sure what, cat is fat as fuck so maybe its that

>>4292072
ref

>>4291987
I made it worse. I think showing the legs under the rim is distracting so i left it frosted, also lazy.

>>4291579
>>4291622
and an attempt from your suggestions.
Well thats 7 attempts at the same sketch.

>>4292305
i like it.
best one.
glass looks good.
skin texture looks good

>>4290992
I do really like that spot on the last one where the head meets the tentacle at an angle, the wrinkles make it look tangibly compressed

well let me tell you about ma nigga villpu...

>>4291987
Thank you for your help!

>>4292072
Is that graphite? If so, you shouldn't use graphite under the oil because over time you'll start to see the lines of the sketch

>>4292072
paws are just a bit too long and skinny.

here's a value-study - painted today (reference : https://arthive.com/artists/8362~John_Ottis_Adams/works/263434~Profile )

>>4292305
Whew, looks like someone’s graphic design piece, or symbol. Very nice.

>>4292674
very nice. how long have you been drawing?

>>4292636
2H pencil, i usually rub out the pencil when i get to painting that part

>>4292659
yeah true, thanks man

>>4292788
Usually started as a kid 6/7, than had long pause. From 7-14 not many drawings, but i always had in mind to draw and i drew DBZ-Charackters e.g.. Traced things sometimes :P - With 18/19 i started drawing much, but still not that much and with 22+ i started to focus more on "learning" to draw - with 24+ i started focusing on fundamentals, now i am 27 and still practicing but as i said... i rly started to draw with 24+ and now with this year, i want to draw everyday and study "hard" - to answer your answer: i drew a lot but not as much as someone would think ( i kinda regret it but still, i'm seein' my improvements how they grow "fast" while learning and this keeps pushing me). My goal is to become an illustrator.

>>4292072
When you're doing an underdrawing for a referenced painting, the most important thing is not line detail, values, or edge quality. It's angles. Don't even bother trying to get the outline to look fur-like, that just introduces problems and ambiguity.

You need to make sure your photo is taped onto your canvas, or resting on the same surface as your canvas, and they need to be as close to perpendicular to your sight as possible. Otherwise your perception of angles will be off.

>>4293018

so tape the cat to it.
makes sense.

>>4292674
Very muddy

>>4293198
How can i avoid it? Using more hard/soft-edges?
Ore more value-studies?
Thanks!

>>4280113

>>4293300

>>4293254
Yeah start grouping your values more clearly and decide how light the lightest light in said value group is allowed to be and vice versa for your darks

>>4293300
The shading on the man all looks like you colored things in like with pencils, rather than blocking it in with brush strokes. Try working in only one size of brush at a time and working through your painting from big brushes to tiny ones.

pic rel is perspective consistency tests

>>4293436
Forgot my fucking pic

>>4287163
Agree. But this anon really sucks at conveying feeling. And doesn't take criticism well.

>>4293337
Hey, did another one (this is under neon-light) - how is this compared to the other one? Thanks, appreciate you!

>>4293594
apologize for the size.

>>4291778
A wee update

>>4293018
Fuck, yeah I should probably start doing that instead, thanks man appreciate the tips

>>4293663
Im a dumbass

>>4293725
Impressive workflow anon, I like the hands. I find the classical colors incredibly uninteresting but that's just me.

>>4293725
great job as usual

A quick value study I did, any tips?

Doodle

>>4293604
don't paint with a soft brush until you're better

>>4293985
and don't use black as much, limit your dark shapes to like a 90% black and then use pure black only for the absolute darkest crevices and such.

>>4293893
Forehead and eybrows higher

2 min doodle i made

>>4293725
nice, do you use any references?

>>4291949
>>4291999
>>4292059
stop focusing on how long it took and learn from it
heres a tip he didnt mention, subtle hues, look at the oranges in his paintover

>>4292674
other anon already mentioned it looks muddy.
i prefer to do value studies w/ hard brush + a very limited amount of tones
>>4293893
same thing

did this just 4fun yesterday

>>4294142
He copes William-Adolphe Bouguereau. He is xerox

>>4294163
Yeah, I know that he did a good job of using references but he doesn't have to lie about his process. Btw why did you attach this anime garbage here?

>>4286220
>>4286484
Sargent was criticized in his own time for his portraits being unexciting subjects even if they were technically skilled, and in his personal work he preferred producing vivid watercolors of architecture or landscapes.
He also is perfectly capable of creating pieces with strong narrative, in case you've never seen his painting Gassed

you should reevaluate what your goals and priorities are and learn to take criticism a bit better

>>4294076
nice color harmony

Doing background art for my game, how is this? Is it clear as to what shit is? I tried to go for a jumble of mechanical shit but worry that it becomes a scribbly mess.
Process is rendering 3d DooHickeys, making a composite out of them and random photos of shit I found online, then painting, adding a cutout filter and then sketching on top for that kinda look.

>>4294200
yeah thats rad, i can figure out everything in the picture i think. maybe you could put some more light in the focal point?
i hope you succeed with your game bro

>>4294205
Thanks man!
I add lights in unity afterwards cos I fiddled and fiddled until I got 2d sprites to cast shadows and light properly with normals.
I'll add a sort of spotlight type light shining down roughly where the character is standing so when she gets out of the elevator and steps into it it casts a cool shadow lol.
God it's slow going though! The sheer number of things you gotta draw!

>>4294211
yeah i also think the character should have some dramatic light behind/around her, thats how i imagined that.
well i hope you stick with it and manage to finish it up. do you also do the coding and everything?

>>4294216
Yeah man. I do the whole lot.
I couldn't read a single line of code when I started, and initially I began with adventure game studio, then visionaire.
Then I scrapped the idea of a point and click because I really wanted combat.
So now it is a sort of resident evil/classic survival horror - adventure game hybrid.
It's played from classic adventure game perspective - kinda side on etc, but controls like a 2d resident evil, with similar saving/inventory/map mechanics.
Although it has dialogue from a point and click game.

>>4294231
>>4294216
In unity now BTW.

>>4294231
>>4294236
thats amazing. sorry dude i dont know anything about coding Lol i just wanna say its impressive. i wish i had the motivation to do a big project like this. well i should probably stop complaining and get to work then

>>4294240
Thanks bro!
It's pretty fun to pick up adventure game studio or visionaire (for free) and whip up something basic.
Kinda neat what you'll find yourself adding - which then prompts you to learn pseudo coding naturally.

>>4294200
I like how clean the shadows are, looks pretty good, but the character kinda does not fit in this background.
Maybe some new lighting around character could fix this like other people say.

Anyway some art from me how is it, i tried doing one on the right in my style and learn from it, while giving the face a bit of krenz feel i really like the paintings he makes

>>4294251
Thanks dude! I'ma fix that lighting for sure!

I like your take on that character, you have a nice style. The only critique I have is that the eyes look odd. Might be because they don't have too much definition, which "anime" eyes usually have, and so instead they look more like oddly shaped "realistic" eyes.
Not sure if that conveys the issue well - I don't know the lingo since I barely hang out here!

>>4294258
yeah its not like i come here often its my first time now, also i didnt add definition to the eyes because i didnt believe there was a need for that, also i couldnt capture the definition of the eyes desu i think i forgot how to do that.

I like this work though, ended up pleasant to the eye i believe.
I might add more red in filters

>>4294326
"definition of the eyes desu"

bruh wtf did i just say, i was practicing bunch of foreign languages for fun in the middle of the night and now i used desu without realizing or thinking about it

>>4294338
t b h
is filtered moron

>>4294339
you dont need to be so hostile..
Acting like a little bitch while hiding as anon very cool.

>>4294344
fuck you. Go practice foreign languages and run to school with toast in your mouth

>>4294251
If you decide to make changes such as reducing the size of the eyes, then you also need to move them closer together to prevent her from looking bug eyed.

>>4294350
Bruh what u even do in your free time, i think learning new things makes you grow as person also its quite challenging, for example korean, its very hard to pronounce and you practice a lot to understand what they are saying since its quite confusing, basically word seems the same but they pronounce it slightly different and whole meaning changes, you need to tell that apart, the difference is so slim its crazy.
Its quite different from how they speak in Japan Russia or Poland but closer to china for sure.

What about you post your own art instead of trying to be a little bitch for no apparent reason at all !

>>4294373
Oh yeah thats already a bad habit of mine, i tried doing it like krenz kinda but i made the eyes too far apart again (it was inspired by this artwork i like this one a lot its cool )

>>4293436
Thanks! is refreshing to see so contructive criticism instead of kys or things like that, yeah im very new in dogital oils, i will take in consideration your tip, about the pic related i see problems in the little details, like you have right the overall shape but thing like the face, hair or boots are very diferent from each other.

>>4294405
why did you place such big strong shadow on his forehead though, i feel like it does not belong there

>>4280113
Little study, dont know if anyone cares, anything I should focus on?

>>4294076
looks dope from the thumbnail

>>4294464
looks fine, major thing is using bigger brush strokes and designing your shapes more clearly

>>42944 64
why your skull has such weird right side though, every skull i have seen didnt have such bumps on the side
Cool shading though i like it.

Any advice on how to make hair look more realistic? I need it to be spiky but look more believable.

>>4294472
Youre right thanks anon.

>>4294477
Uhmm, study hair maybe? and dont get into these detailed strands of hair, that makes it look like absolute dog shit.

>>4294373
i fixed the eyes a bit anon what u think about it now

>>4294475
lol, no idea, its a 3d skull from some 3dscan website, yours is also a female skull and mine a male skull, and then theres tons of varieties in bone structure. Thanks

>>4294503
That already looks a lot better and more natural, I would personally do it like in this image, though that might just be style preference on my part.
The only thing I really think you need to change is the eyebrows, move them more to the right, so that the far away eyebrow follows the line from the nasal ridge into the brow out to the outline.

>>4294189
>Sargent was criticized in his own time for his portraits
Sargent is now a renowned painter of history. And people love his work for his brushwork and overall mastery of the medium. That alone makes his work engaging.

>He also is perfectly capable of creating pieces with strong narrative
I never said he wasn't capable. I said that people love his work for reasons other than it being strongly narrative on occasion.

>You should reevaluate what your goals and priorities are
What are my goals and priorities then?

>And learn to take criticism better
I take criticism fine when people provide critiques on my fundamentals. I don't take it well when people are trying to tell me what to paint, or telling me I'm not allowed to use a certain brush just because they don't like it, or that I can't be inspired by an artist I like because reasons I can't even fathom.

I'm not diametrically opposed to narrative stuff by the way. I do narrative work on occasion(picrel), but I'm not interested in becoming the next Norman Rockwell and depicting everyday people in their everyday lives doing everyday things. That's not for me. Or at least I don't think it is, but I guess you know more about my goals and priorities than I do, so you tell me.

>>4294477
Don't draw small clumps of hair, if anything the direction of your brush strokes should imply direction, and the highlights should come in bands not individual hairs.

sketches

>>4294464
Great sense of form and depth, especially around the eye and nose sockets. You flaked out the farther you got from the facial features though, the back of the jaw and side of the head are messy.

>>4294593
Fuck off jimmy you faggot

>>4289593
lmao

>>4294673
that’s not jimmy that’s ruan jia guy

>>4294673
>>4294693
Who the fuck is Jimmy?

>>4294705
If you see old meems hand painted the wrong colors, thats jimmy

>>4294559
make her not a chinlet and you’re golden

>>4294526
oh i didnt know its a female skull

>>4294640
yeah, youre right and I know I left those areas kinda raw. Thanks for the assessment

>>4294759
Well the bone structure is way more fine and in general it looks smoother and the jaw area is noticeably slimmer than the upper face area, its all more delicate.

>>4283906
damn this shit is fucking dark. Is your value range like Black, less black, dark grey?

>>4284642
Holy shit, just paint a stroke, what is this shit? Chicken scratching with hard round? just use your brush and paint one line, not 100.

>>4287993
kek, this is just further proof that just because someone uses lots of words, he doesnt have to be anything more than a total fucking noob.

>>4288345
there are flaws but I really like it in parts.

here is my progress over multiple studies

>>4294755
small chins are so cute though

>>4294816
shit wrong one, this one is my yearly progress

>>4291695
youre better of just drawing poses and just painting nudes, this scrickly scrackly shit doesnt teach you anythin, like what do you get out of this? If your goal is to move an object in space and draw it from different perspectives, just draw those fucking boxes, because a) you are too bad and too lazy to do an actual muscular/skeletal leg structure obviously and b) you will never draw a single like that.

>>4291844
beginner tier, but keep praticing, especially with seeing big shapes/planes and blocking those in.

>>4294815
yeah, on genderless pedo bait animu pastel girls maybe, not on people in real life.

>>4294828
bruh trying to mix both is haaard.
I kinda want to go more like style i showed above but i would give up ability to make detailed lips and noses.
Well in exchange for sure its easier to make vibrant colors work on less realistic style.

I could make face simpler and practice how to make more vibrant coloring and details, its a good exercise idea i think, skip face details and focus more on clothes and hair.
(like in this pic for example it looks really vibrant and detailed i struggle to do both)

>>4294801
I don't see how broad parallel strokes equates to chicken scratching.

>>4294801
Here you go, fuckface. I made sure to do my best to repaint everything with the biggest brush I could possibly get away with and made extra sure not to intentionally overlap any brushstrokes. Hope it makes you day.

Does the Hair look better now?

>>4294938
lmao, duckface nigger lips in here.
Hair is better I guess

>>4294909
>chicken scratching: being too afraid/unable to lay down a single well placed stroke
Look at the fucking painting, its exactly the same concept, he's too timid to just do one actual stroke, his entire comp is just "big flat plane" and he acts as if these planes are comrpised of tons of small strokes.

>>4294889
Do whatever you like but damn, that is an eyesore, its also just a gigantic flat scene, nothing moves out of 2D and especially on the "girl" its all just one weird shape without any sense of beginning or end.

>>4294977
Its a poster, and it serves its purpose well, its really stunning as a poster.
Well im sad than you dont enjoy that piece as much as i do.
What do you like, do you mind sharing your art ?
You must be doing something realistic even trad and its not related to anime i bet

needs a bit more depth, think my values are flat mostly.

>>4295122
I mean its a literal cartoon minimalist style, it wouldnt make sense to go chink tier render bitch on this. But yeah, there is no depth in this at all

i dont like how this is going so im going to bin it for tomorrow and do more studies for now

>>4294503
lots of small anatomy stuff i would fix, (personal pref)
the eyes are too far apart, the nose is unconvincing, the mouth is too low, the recessed chin is ugly
i also don't like the part of the hat in shadow and the blending of the skin tones.
the coloring and rendering on some parts like the bells and hair are very nice though.

>>4295129
u dont have to render it out to broaden the value range, something can be simplified and still have a sense of form or depth. also stop being such a fucking weirdo

>>4295132
>>4294889
why mix both? rei draws tons of art going between extremely stylized (chibi) and realism (relatively).
Pick something close to the level of realism you want and study that instead.

>>4295122
you can always check values with a B+W/desaturate filter, a lot of them are close but local value (color) is good enough here to do the work for you. If you want depth then start grouping your foreground/midground/background into different distinct value ranges (i.e. foreground dark transitioning into light background)

>>4295169
good call, cheers

>>4295194
nice, more skin tone variation might do you good, could go in with some gnarly purples and really saturated dark reds on the head, more hard edges too to mix it up a bit

>>4294168
Well actually I looked at booger paintings as reference but didn't copy anything from any of them. It's all made up. And anyway this painting is going to be a background painting in another painting I'm working on so it doesn't need to be anything fancy.

>>4295630
If you didn't copy him, than you pic is pretty inmpressive at this stage. Good luck

Bored of this, diminishing returns at this point.

>>4296709
You should really push those values before you leave it, might relight the fire also, rendering is the fun part for me.

>>4296709
How in the world are her knees pointing forward when her legs are spread apart?