/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Fucking lel, he still draws white features. Check the nose on the black grill

why should i not study the dead white guys? I relate to them, I am also a white guy dead inside

>>4288388
>art
>draws a non-passing tranny

>>4288388
Yikes

>>4288388
Thanks for a good laugh, this fucking monkeys and they low key racist on white dudes.

>>4288388
Fuck this motherfucking Canadian chinese looking fuck. My client changed his mind on future comics because as filipino he thought i might bitch about past work just like that joshoua luna guy.

>>4288388

>dead white masters
>free resources and theory spanning over a century
>learn to draw the ideal human

>Life Drawing 101 by black latinx demiqueer at your local college
>scratches the surface of nicolaides teachings but pretends theyre not deriving from it
>learn to draw niggers but with less attention towards the lips and nose, basically whitewashing them. also soft fails you with a 60% because youre white.

>>4288388
Don't you need to learn something to begin with to unlearn?

>>4288388
who "made" him learn from white guys?

>>4288388
>still draws loomisface

>>4288388
the proper process of unlearning is that you get comfortable with anatomy and rules, and mess it up to have stylized work. This guy seems way too afraid to move out of his "generic realism for comics" shtick.

This is basically /ic/ except with anime girls

Was this thread made by that Ethan guy on youtube? I swear he only ever draws black people.

>>4288388
Thanks, I was looking for this pic because I remembered really liking the style, but now that I look st it again it doesnt look that good. I guess I improved.

>>4288441
>also a white guy dead inside

Fucking lel

>>4288388
more accurate version

damn..

lmao

I like how he adds the tranny for "muh diversity"

Prime example of virtue signaling

>>4288659
>>4288667

Dude this guy is cringe. Victim complex, airing dirty laundry, holy shit...

What has "stop drawing in class" have anything to do with race lol

>>4288667
Maybe if he listened to that evil white teacher in school instead of doodling retarded shit he wouldn't have gotten into that situation like an idiot

>>4288672
Everything is about race and how white people are oppresors

Welcome to the mind of a SJW

>>4288448
"Non-passing tranny" is a tautology.
>>4288388
> all of these "diverse" and "of colour" people have white facil structure with different skin tone

Saw a post about representation on another forum. Anyone have any idea how to get stats on who buys comics and children's books? I'm just curious to see if there is a correlation between who buys media and who is represented in said media.

>>4288792

idk man

t.degenerate

Greeks, italians and spaniards aren’t white

>>4288448
If you want to be a tranny and be taken seriously in the slightest way possible , please atleast bother shave off your fucking moustache , its litterally the eaziest thing you can do to look less masculine time/cost wise

>>4288848
whats with this boards obsession with transsexuals? theres been some trans troll that posted their pictures or what? its insane

>>4288659
based conquistador spanish teacher

>>4288856
as if tranny wasnt thrown around like an insult all over the internet nowadays. stupid nigger tranny.

>>4288518

>will only teach you about methods invented by black people wont let you use any other method because:”The ”better” method you are talking about is made by white people”

>Throws a tantrum whenever you talk about artstyle/methods/whatever made by an artist that is either white or asian

>Throws a tantrum when you anything vaguley anime , not because ”it will get you nowhere” but because ”it was made by white people and usually has a racist way of depitcting POCs”

>Throws a tantrum when you try to explain that asians arent white people and says ”the both have white skin they are the same devil” , further limiting your options in terms of art

>Only teaches you to draw blacks and has this retarded way to draw heads that if you deviate one single bit it all goes to shit so you cant deviate to draw any other race

>Calls you cracker all the time but throws a fit of rage harder than SCP-096 aftet you see its face when you call her a nigger in retaliation

>All the nude drawing courses have this crippled blob of a model that wont translate in any way into drawing a normal human

>>4288659
Now i want to draw some weeb having his waifu cover his ears
Or a furry

>>4288659
I did something like this when I was a ""rebel"" studying in art school and the lecturer there slapped me with a fucking hard cover book.
I ended up passing his class unironically because I started paying attention after that.
Sometimes a little discipline is all people need.

>>4288512
I wanna fuk this animu grl noped0

>>4288881
These insults arent genneally thrown around on clean , sanitised sites like youtube and twitter

It can be quite jarring to transition from cleaner sites to 4chan
When i started using 4chan i thought ”newfag” was way more a insult than it acttualy was untill i realised that ”oldfag” was also a thing

then i realised that ”-fag” wa a suffix denoting someone that is part of a group or member of community and may be used in a non derrogatory fashion but it can also be used in a derogatory fashion depending on context

ie: ”drawfag”
”veganfag”
”newfag”
”oldfag”
”originalfag”
”amerifag”
”eurofag”

etc.

>>4288388
>implying

>>4288669
>>4288448
>>4288848
>implying that if a man wears makeup and has long hair he is transgender
Could be dude just wants long hair and wants to wear makeup. This is probably why so many trans people kill themselves.

>boy grows up with mom and sister
>they are all about makeup
>boy gets into makeup
>"you must be trans then"
>boy assumes hes a girl if he likes makeup
>lives trans life
>has identity crisis because he is a man who likes makeup pretending hes a man who identifies as female because social pressure to be one or the other
>suicide.

>>4288902
Fuck off with the blogpost ya fucking niggerfaggot

>>4288906
Found the tranny

>>4288906
I am not talking about shaving your moustache alone makes you female


Judging by the general tone of the comic , i think he is supposed to trans

>>4288902
>sanitised sites like youtube and twitter
holy shit so innocent. lurk more newfag

>>4288905
Implyfag

>>4288902
You mean I can say fag without being hateful to homosexuals? Wow. Let me guess, you can also call someone a bigger without being hateful to black people? You trying to tell me a word is just a fucking word without context? Dont let Twitter find out. Without the hate card how would we cancel people?

>>4288907
What blogpost

>>4288915
I dont think swear words like ”nigger” , ”faggot” , ”cracker” etc. are inherntly racist , but thery are ussualy derogatory to a person.

in the case of ”faggot” its a derogatory atribute you can slap on a person , it may be used in other ways but gennerally it in most cases used to derogate

in the case of the ”-fag” suffix , there are signficantly more ways to use it in nonderogatory ways

>>4288906
No. Trans people kill themselves because they can't pass because they're too masculinized/feminized or they're bullied/harassed by people because they don't completely pass. There is absolutely no parent in the world that decides their child is trans because of gender nonconforming behavior, it's always the child themselves insisting they're trans and conservative media twisting it to blame it on their mother because children are too retarded to make decisions themselves.

>>4288911
Probably, but my point is that the need to categorize and to be categorized is toxic and divisive. Just be a productive member of society. Live and let live.
>>4288910
I am the epitome of cis white male privilege. I try to be more liberal in my viewpoints, but coming from poor white trash and having an actual career, it is hard for me to shake the "I got mine, go get yours" mentality.

>>4288912

Well how often do you find people saying ”nigger” and ”tranny” on sites like youtube

Plus , i am trying to explain to someone that most probalby just stumbeled upon this mongolian underwater basket weaving forum

>>4288927
I mainly live and let live , i dont care what you do as long as you dont make me call you ”xer” ”ze” or whatever invented pronoun you want to make me remember

>>4288925
But why do they need to pass? My point is that maybe they suicide because they are striving for a typically unattainable goal due to social pressure. The public view is, if you're a male and you like girl things, you are trans or gay. Just with that we are pushing gender norms rather than just saying, you're a boy, you like girly things and that's fine. You want to have a mustache AND dress in "female" clothing? That's fine. But instead we say, "you dont make a convincing girl".

>>4288937
I dont mind calling Xerox, com, banana. I'm cool, I'll call you what you want. Just dont yell at me if I slip up and call you something else. For example, I had a friend named Chris who liked to be called Chad and I had no issue calling him chad.

>>4288388
>You shoudn't draw [subjective looking] type people
lol

>>4288940
Because that's not the point. Being trans isn't to do with having hobbies that are inappropriate for your natal sex, it's to do with expecting to have a body that is the opposite of your natal sex. It's not pushing gender norms since trans women can and often do like male typical things/activities and vice versa. The whole "played with girl toys as a child and liked makeup" meme was just invented by the media, most trans people don't actually adhere to that narrative. They don't want to just pretend to be a female with clothes but want to have a body that appears closer to female. It's because they were exposed too much too the opposite sex's hormones as a fetus and their sense of proprioception matches the opposite sex's as a result, and estrogen/testosterone therapy for trans women/men has been proven to vastly improve mental health.

I find it so appalling the lack of respect to the people who passed knowledge (dead white guys). It really boggles the mind. Also the lack of importance that the teacher, the friends and the model has in that comic. Nothing matters but the protagonist and the "diversity".

The left trully is cancer.

>>4288667
these resentful and effeminate twinks who cannot stand up for themselves are the ones looking to control you. somehow they are winning.

>>4288659
It's stuff like this why I don't reveal myself as a flip in soc med. I just want to draw my cute anime girls, man

>>4289022
>I just want to draw my cute anime girls, man
#metoo

>>4288659
is this a thing in english countries? like... spanish people have to go to spanish classes? sounds fucking stupid

>>4288388
this comic strip makes me diamonds

>>4288885
projecting this much is actually pretty pathetic anon

>>4288659

Oh my god. I've seen a lot of cringe from Josh Luna but this takes the cake.

Is there nothing he can't reinterpret as some kind of racial oppression?

>>4288388
If I start unlearning I lose the little knowledge I have.

>>4289087

Oh, the racism and identity politics isn't so nice when it's aimed at YOU, is it Josh?

>>4289108

Don't worry. In spite of all his protests Luna still draws like a basic white boy from suburban Des Moines. He "un-learned" nothing.

>>4289083

No. Usually you have to take a foreign language class in high-school. Most places choices offer Spanish, French, or German.

So, yes, Luna is interpreting a feeble attempt by the educational system to broaden his horizons as imperialist racial oppression.

I wonder what he would have drawn if they were trying to teach him French.

>>4288388
>>4288659
>>4288667
>>4289087
Ever notice these moral comic fags always put themselves as the hero, they can't even make a joke about themselves.

>>4288388
Should have also put a slavic, greek and spanish person in the last section

>>4288659
its always funny that they announce their hatred for the solution to their problem without an ounce of shame

I feel nothing but pity for those as lost as this one

>>4288388
It's funny how he draws in that gross western style but thinks he's unlearning anything by drawing drag queens and brown people instead of white people.

>>4289132
The should have drawn evey race and nationality that exists and has existed

because as a romanian i feel exlcuded an i am bery tiggered

Romanians are the most oppresed minority

/s

>>4288388
I work in marketing and here it's absolutely crucial that you include racial minorities in the illustrations. I draw more black people than white people, in fact

>>4289192
Ethan Becker, is that you?

>>4289192

Do you make every race look like the same basic white boy with some features swapped around and then crow about how diverse you are?

>>4289087
>yee-haw

>>4289155

Josh Luna is just a color swapped version of a /pol/ poster. If he was white no one would put up with his crap.

He deserves no pity.

>>4289087
>yee-haw

>>4288388
it warms my hearts to know that racist fucks waste their lives making threads like this

>>4288388
lol what a loser.

>>4288659
All these "hurr durr the evil conquistadors killed my ancestors" faggots are descendants of the indios that allied with the conquistadors because they were being opressed by their local regimes.

>>4288885
Are you being for real or are you writing a fanfic?

>>4288906
It's even stupider when you realize men invented make up for other men. So were dresses and heels and everything else. The apex of masculinity right before kikes started peddling the "business suit" and military uniforms was a guy wearing heels over tigh highs with mascara to fend off the sun that his luscious locks and big ass fluffy feathered hat didn't. Also shawls and sashes everywhere.

And no, trans people don't kill themselves because of bullying or social pressure, they kill themselves because dysphoria is lethal but while everyone agrees the best threatment for anorexia are antipsychotics the left refuses to accept transexuality went from 8% suicide rates to 40% suicide rates as soon as they started peddling "transition" instead.

>>4288659
Qué orgullo pero parece que no tiene un sentido de vergüenza

>>4288940
It's not conservatives who harass you for wanting to represent multiple gender roles at the same time. Red state boomers generally fly under the NIMBY flag and don't give a shit so long as you don't peddle your weird shit in their entertainment or ask to go to the same bathroom as their little granddaughter while looking like John Wayne Gacy.
Gen X was at the front of sexual liberation and even the conservative/religious Xers subscribe to "your life your rules".

The people telling trans people they must pass and holding gender roles like they're sacred scripture are millenial LGBT+ "allies" and twitter fag hags indoctrinated by current academia. The people driving Jenny, formerly John, to suicide aren't old folks Henderson down the street who think TERF stands for some weird video component. it's their own friends constantly purity checking them against their toxic antisocial ideology where everything you do is offensive and everyone who falters must be punished before the altar of social media.

>>4289192
This is why I quit marketing. The models hated diversityphoto, the photographers hated diversityphoto, the gds hated diversityphoto, the accountants hated diversityphoto but we had to waste the client's ad campaign money in a way that was proven not to generate more sales just because some berg wrote a style guide that demanded it.

>>4289087
>Yee-haw
my fucking sides

>>4289087
Laughably idiotic reasoning which can be easily disproven by the genetic makeup of the Filipinos. About 60% is of the Oceanian/Southeast Asian stock and about 30% is of mostly East Asian Stock. There are minuscule traces of Euro and South Indian DNA.

And this fucking mutt - who's probably half-white and yet decides to identify as a Filipino for obvious points in the intersectional oppressed hierachy - dares to chastise people who can claim their ancestry to the region probably tens of generations back. The gall of this disturbed and confused halfbreed.

>>4288927
>Probably, but my point is that the need to categorize and to be categorized is toxic and divisive. Just be a productive member of society. Live and let live.

I shouldn't even consider this as a point worth discussing, since "toxic" and "divisive" are just nonsensical buzzwords but I'm in a good mood.

It is "divisive" and that's the point. People operate on abstracts and need simplified models to function properly as individuals who build the greater whole of a cohesive society. Stereotyping, labelling and categorisation are a god damn cornerstone of any healthy society because people need groups and need to be able to identify groups. Rampant deviant bahaviour and inabillity to deal with or even recognise and label it is the real problem. Premissivism is the real problem. Not calling a fag a fag or tranny a tranny. These people aren't normal, they are from a standpoint of any society outliers and should not be catered to as it is to the detriment of the normal majority. 2% of the population can't dictate what societal norm is and is to be accepted or reshape the basic societal structures. There is not live and let live here.

And no normal boy who grows up in a household full of women will take interest in looking like a woman. Unless he's been abused or isolated. Children take on role models of their own gender closest to them, so he'd probably look for another boy, uncle, grandfather to model his behaviour on. Unless he's a fag or a tranny. Then it's anything goes.

>>4289087
>malaysia
WHEN nigger WHEN

>>4289087
kino

>>4289087
> Yee-haw

>>4288905
Kek'd. Have a (you), darling!

I'm Russian and have never met a single philipino. However, I do not want to be ignorant of their plight. Can you please tell me who and how is opressing them?

>>4288906
The great evils of single motherhood, case #3445838.

FUCK OFF POL I JUST WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW COLORS WORK FUCK YOU BRAINLETS

>>4289850
Dude coloring is just picking colors that are all the same saturation as a base, then considering the color of the lighting, e.g, (Warm, cool, colored or neon) and mixing in your head what those base colors are with the colors of the lighting to account for highlight colors and shadow colors.

>>4288388
As foolish as all of this drama is, I do respect him for walking the walk. He's suffering for his art and/or uncompromising stupidity, which is more than I can say for a lot of his clout-chasing ilk living off of their parent's money.

This is his hustle, and it isn't hurting anybody else.

I thought Phillipinos were the strongest race in the world

>>4289854
Thats incredibly reductionist as well as wrong though.

>>4289846
They're jungle latinos, like all latinos they mostly opress each other.

>>4289860
This fag is a filthy haffu so it doesn't count

>>4289846
>who and how is oppressing them?

Other Filipinos. They've been an independent country for decades.

And Josh Luna lives in the United States and pretends that because he lives in The South he's an oppressed minority.

most people are not at the level to start unlearning anything tbvh

>>4288921
>Thinking nigger wasn't invented to refer to slaves and people with african features as something less then human
>Thinking faggot wasn't co opted from the british slang for cigarettes. Implying someone is a flaming cock smoker.
You /pol/niggers come up with the craziest mental gymnastics to justify you being able to call someone a nigger and not get punched in the face.

Why is it that there is more drama and bait on the goddamn art board than there is on damn near anywhere else? You'd think this was fucking /co/ or /v/ with the amount of shit threads that get dumped here, which the mods refuse to do fuck all about.

>>4288388
This comic makes me legit mad
He never GOT IT, the masters, the fucking dead white guys are the ones teaching you what to do so you can draw EVERYONE.
The fact that he only focused on white people isn't the material's fault, it's his for being a fucking pleb and not venturing beyond his own fucking comfort zone before. Seriously, when was the last time you went to a life drawing session that only had white models? Is he retarded? Does he not realize that he's still using all he learned from the DeAd WhItE gUyS now that he """""UNLEARNED'"""" it?
Fucking chink faggot, his comics are all this desperate "IT'S NOT MY FAULT IT'S THEIRS" shit, so pathetic

>>4289013
Not really. They only control other effeminate twinks.
>>4288659
>"My ancestors are smiling at me Imperials, can you say the same?"

>>4290441
nuclear cope

>>4290436
ok nigger

>>4288856
Because they are spreading out of their containment board constantly, and spreading to places like here, /co/, and other boards.

>>4289863
How do you color then?

>>4288902
Good on you, fagfag.

>>4288652
based

>>4290436
Nigger was likely derived from anglos being shit at spanish and not used maliciously until the botched slave liberation. If you had given the southerners the machines they needed to replace their slaves and taken the freed slaves north instead of forcing ruined people to coexist with even poorer and more uneducated people who used to work for them, plus the spike in crime from the gold rush, maybe race relations in the USA wouldn't be so shit.

>>4291282
NTA but wasn't Lincoln going to send them back after they were 'freed'?

>>4291282
Maybe. But I doubt it would be significantly better considering white people, northern and southern, would sabotage and terrorize black people for the next 100 years overtly and another 30-40 covertly. Yea the transition would of been much smoother if Lincoln and the union at the time presented another alternative besides "get in those fields your damn self", but that doesn't change the fact that blacks where and still considered subhuman, almost below live stock.

He doesn't look at square-jawed and white as his self-insert.

>>4288800
interesting.
i bet the shekel benders have all those kinds of stats collected and thoroughly analysed decades ago

take it to kiwifarms pls

>>4288388
>art after unlearning literally looks the same
ngmi

>>4292048
Lol look at this mofo bleaching himself in his self portraits while hating on whites

>>4291317
>below livestock
I unironically went vegan bc I love the moomoos and don't want them to get hurt.
Still am racist.

>>4289584
Shit like that is actually real, but it's still incredibly rare and only at retard schools for rich kids that don't want to learn anything.

>>4292086
Yes he has a gross marvel bootleg american style, no wonder he's butthurt about art education.

>>4288388
>>4288402

Still draws men too, check out bottom right.

>>4292092
Meanwhile all the "evil nazis" are learning from all over the world instead of just one specific style that he doesn't even like from one country he doesn't even like.

>>4292095
The real irony is that China teaches classical western drawing techniques, and relies on western models, including Greek, Roman and Renaissance sculptures. Meanwhile, a lot of western "art schools" don't actually teach any techniques at all, unless you're going to a trade school that's more about the craft than the "artistic" aspect.

I mean, just google something like "top 10 up and coming artists". Hell, do it for any year, and you'll find garbage made by people who have no technical skill.

>tfw you draw only asian looking girls
That dude would probably tell me I fetishise them or smth, but I'm a happy man

>>4292090
Hitler was vegetarian as well.

>>4292110
The only good vegetarian in history.

>>4288925
>>4288906
Bullshit. Trans people kill themselves because they have a mental illness. The suicide rates don't drop after surgery, which means it's not a successful method of treating the illness.

You also don't cure depression by making some cosmetic adjustments to the person - the error is in the mind, not the body.

>>4288518
>>4288885

Why the fuck are you bitter people like this? Every good black artist will always praise/reference the old masters, like literally every other good fucking artist.

It’s like you can’t run away from /pol/ shit at all with this site no matter the board.

>>4292430
You don't cure schizos by letting them set the school on fire because the voices told them to

>>4292712
>It’s like you can’t run away from /pol/ shit at all with this site no matter the board.
You do realize that they are talking about racists that won't accept any form of "white" learning material, right?

>>4292712
>It’s like you can’t run away from /pol/ shit at all with this site no matter the board.
Yeah, you'd better un on back to r*ddit.

>>4292712
>Every good black artist will always praise/reference the old masters
I'm sure they would, if any existed...

>>4292430
>Trans people kill themselves because they have a mental illness

says the renowned academic

>>4292761
Smooth brained thinking.

>>4288971
based kanye

>>4292770

>>4292731
doesn't being schizo mean when you are an introverted observer with your true inner self forever exiled and unaccessable by anyone from the outside world, but replaced with an automated false self they build up over a period of time, hence schizos' difficulty to establish true bonds with anyone, even with their life partner, and also their constant abandonment depression?

>>4292868
No.

>>4292835
anecdotal evidence is still not evidence.

>>4292835
Don't doctors make a fucking vow to do no harm?

the art is shit.

>>4292835
Post more. These retards getting what they deserve fills me with joy.

>>4292835
I don't know how to feel about this.
Poor guy chopped his dickie, lost the kinky tranny appeal and is now a mannish woman with a putrid wound between the legs.
Doctors really did 'em dirty.

>>4292079
>>4290441
But anons, we need /lolcow/ tier drama on this board 24/7 or else we’ll die!

>>4288659
Oh I get it
this guy is just anti-education generally

>>4292875
But it shows the risks of what permanent mutilation can do to a person. It is simply barbaric to treat a mental disorder with such invasive measures. In future it will be seen as the equivalent of lobotomisation. And this is only one of many types of dysphoria. There have been discussions about the ethical ramifications of voluntary amputations for people with body integrity disorder.

>>4292885
Money, societal and political pressures, witch hunts for anyone who disagrees. But I'd say it's mostly money.

>>4293099
>But it shows the risks of what permanent mutilation can do to a person
Antidepressants can sometimes lead to the person using them to commit suicide, among hundreds of other side-effects. I can point to any given medicine and show you that there are people who have been killed, maimed, or gone through agony either directly or indirectly because of the medicine. I can show you hundreds of people who have been maimed during routine plastic surgery. I'm quite sure that even small things like appendicitis surgery has killed people.
Every kind of medicine can be dangerous. So why exactly is it that you take issue with trans medicine? I have never in my life seen anyone on any board spam and screech about antidepressants, or latex gloves, or the risks of rhinoplasty, or to make sure that your zoloft dosage meets the FDA recommendations. If you're so worried about medical treatment and tech being safe and up to date then why not focus your attention on the opiod crisis; How about ADHD overdiagnosis and overmedication; How about the flaws in the medical device approval system; The absolutely atrocious state of end-of-life medical care; The current drought of affordable and competent mental health professionals? All of these things affect infinitely more people than the fraction of a fraction that is trans people who get bottom surgery. We're talking about 1 percent of the population being trans in the first place, and then of people who are trans and have enough money to undergo surgery only 1 in 4 actually do so, and then not all of people who have surgery have bottom surgery, and then you have to consider that its mainly trans women who are having these issues, so you've now slashed the sample size by anywhere between 30-50%.
By raw numbers you're comparing a total group of ~3,250 total people receiving bottom surgery (not adjusting for MTF vs FTM population) vs 25 Million who have been taking SSRI's for 2 or more years

>>4293190
>So why exactly is it that you take issue with trans medicine?

That's exactly the point. There is no "trans medicine". Nobody is addressing the disease of the mind and instead the consensus seems to be resorting to primitive butchery. Because how else would you call removing a healthy organ, a "side effect"? On top of that opposing the very concept of "sex change" is slipping ever farther into taboo territory and that means curing dysphoria is now a controversial topic. Because curing it would undermine this ridiculous concept of "gender confirmation".

Most of the things you said constitute a valid point, but it's not the people who oppose this barbarism who are the problem. It's the people who endorse it. The society has to bend to the will of very few sick individuals. Not only bend but has to become malleable to cater to their warped perception of reality. It's this rampant "tolerance culture" - that almost deifies minority status - which forces people to discuss problems that should not even exist in the public consciousness. Whether it's dysphoria or the disease cesspit of homosexuality.

Funny thing is that your perspective is very US-centeric and yet many of the problems with healthcare are pretty much universal. Whether it's public, private or mixed. Having said that, medical care in US sucks balls. While impressive by technological standards the whole insurance system is a joke and profiteering on the sick is the root of like the half of your troubles.

>>4292875
40% trans people weren't killing themselves back when they were given the same antipsychotics as anorexics and body integrity dysphorics. They were 4-6% and manic depression was considered the most lethal mental illness with 12% suicide rate.

Now anorexics and body integrity dysphorics are still given antipsychotics and you're called an asshole if you dare say maybe letting them cut off their limbs and starve themselves into anemia are what they need to be healthy. But trans people are being mutilated and you're harassed if you point out the only people getting what they want from this transitioning bullshit are the kikes lobbying for plastic surgery and hormones.

>>4293255
You've dodged my point entirely and decided to play word games and pivot off point. My question was not answered: If you care about people being hurt, why is it that you focus on something that affects an insignificant number of people when you could be spending the same effort on bigger issues and have both an easier time creating change and have an infinitely wider effect?

>Nobody is addressing the disease of the mind
Mental help is often the first recommended course of action for trans people in need. This becomes an obvious fact if you go to any community that is either high in trans individuals or is designed as a place to help trans people struggling with dysphoria. It should also be self-evident if you consider the fact that only 1-in-4 trans people have had ANY type of surgery related to their condition. Mind you that physical surgery like rhinoplasty falls in the same general 'surgery' category as intense operations like top or bottom surgery.
>how else would you call removing a healthy organ, a "side effect"
You're misusing my language. The 'side effect' here are negative repercussions from the surgery such as mental effects or physical defects (relatively speaking) on the site of the surgery
>and that means curing dysphoria is now a controversial topic
Controversial according to extremists, sure, but to the general populous or the average trans person? I doubt it.
>Because curing it would undermine this ridiculous concept of "gender confirmation".
You're begging the question.
>The society has to bend to the will of very few sick individuals
You're moving goalposts. If your concern is the efficacy of surgery then of what relevance is the social ramifications of trans people existing?
>forces people to discuss problems that should not even exist
Should not even exist in what capacity? As in nobody should know about it or as in you'd like to genocide anyone who is the source of the issue?

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why cant you go to /pol/ and leave the art board alone? are people over there too mean for you so you have to invade ic with this shit??

>>4293324
>If you care about people being hurt, why is it that you focus on something that affects an insignificant number of people
>Hurr, there are children dying in Africa, how can you care about anyone else at such moment!, durr

>>4293330
Why does it hurt you that people are upset about mentally ill people's lives getting destroyed to fill plastic surgeons pockets?

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none of this matters on an art board, WTF

>>4293341
Agree, fuck the talks unrelated to art.

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Sitting around and being complacent is how /pol/ colonizes boards. The mod team sure as shit won't do anything about them either. There aren't really a whole lot of options here

>the amount of salty white ppl in this thread
jesus you guys are thin skinned

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JESUS WASN'T WHITE EVERYTHING IS A LIE

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>The suicide rates don't drop after surgery
source on that?

>>4293484
jesus wasn't real so who cares lmao

>>4288667
This is actually concerning. I haven't ever heard of this guy before, but what the actual fuck?

>>4289087
yes josh, he doesnt look like a cracker mutt like you

>>4293551
Persecution complex is one hell of a drug.

>>4288388
anyone know where i can get an issue of "WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE Magazine"?

>>4293324
>You've dodged my point entirely
Absolute nonsense. I explained exactly why the topic is even on the table and why people should combat minority problems colonising the wider societal and health related discourse. And why do you assume I wouldn't partake in a discussion about the failings of healthcare that concern the general populace? That's just whataboutism.

>Mental help is often the first recommended course (...) only 1-in-4 trans people have had ANY type of surgery
25% critical failure rate is nothing to write home about. And that's, like you said earlier, only people who can afford the surgery. So the rate of failure is even greater but hard to measure.

>You're misusing my language.
Chopping off functional, healthy and otherwise useful parts of the body causes physical defects. Physical defect is the goal of the surgery.

>I doubt it.
The only "cure" that's now on the table is confirming their delusions. It's being pushed on children by some delusional parents now with puberty blockers. While sensationalist and rare (and they should be outright impossible) the headlines about woman's sperm impregnating her husband because both people are mentally ill are something to behold. These behaviours have been pushed out of the extreme long ago. Normalising deviancy makes finding a cure without controversy impossible.

>If your concern is the efficacy of surgery then of what relevance is the social ramifications of trans people existing?
Novel thought - phenomena don't exist in a vacuum. They're linked and poeple can and should be concerned about something more than a minuscule part of any given problem.

>Should not even exist in what capacity?
You deliberately cut out the latter part of the sentence which is the answer to your question. But mentally ill should be cured. People who think they're Napoleon and re called "his Imperial Highness" and given a uniform are not.

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It's almost depressingly ironic how this artist who props himself up as being some kind of social justice advocate ends up being an abusive shit himself, lmao. As if we needed more proof that these people tend to be attention-hungry narcissists.

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>I explained exactly why the topic is even on the table...
You hypothesized about why trans people have surgery instead of some non-existent miracle cure and then rambled about diversity politics
>25% critical failure rate
Critical failure? Having surgery is now full stop a critical failure?
>Physical defect is the goal of the surgery.
You are again abusing language to give nonexistent weight to your point. "Physical defect" is entirely relative here. If I was to define surgery like you are then we'd consider people with no appendixes to be people with "Physical Defects".
>confirming their delusions
Confirming what delusion, exactly? And you've now moved the goalposts. You went from "the only treatment people push for is surgery" to "Well sure they don't actually push for surgery every time but I don't like the mental health treatment they do get!"
>being pushed on children
"Pushed" is quite the strong verb. Unless you're talking about the handful of wacky parents that are forcing children to be trans, then I don't know what you mean by "pushed".
>puberty blockers
Puberty blockers have entirely reversible effects. It's not exactly ideal for a kid to use them but compared to the alternatives (full blown hormones or just being forced to repress for howevermany years) it's not at all a poor solution.
>phenomena don't exist in a vacuum
They do when the topic of the argument is limited in scope.
>You deliberately cut out the latter part
It answers no question. You don't want dysphoria or homosexuality to exist in the public consciousness. But there is a difference between it not being a problem because we solved it, and it not being a problem because we kill or lock up people that don't do it your way.
>But mentally ill should be cured.
Cured in what way by whom?

Again I'll state that you refuse to answer my initial question and dodged half of the points I made in my post. And you continue to post anecdotal evidence as if it proves anything.

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Cry me a river faggot.

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not him but

>You hypothesized about why trans people have surgery instead of some non-existent miracle cure and then rambled about diversity politics
>non-existent miracle cure
you mean literally any cure or treatment. Just because we don't know what to do doesn't mean we just start coercing people into thinking bodily mutilation will help in any way.

>we'd consider people with no appendixes to be people with "Physical Defects"
The reason you remove the appendix is because it's physically defective. Having no appendix is still a defect but is less dangerous than having a defective appendix. If a person with a completely healthy appendix wanted it removed just because they don't like it, doctors should not in good conscious support that. Similarly, if the negatives of having no appendix outweighed the negatives of having a damaged appendix, obviously you wouldn't remove the appendix.

>Confirming what delusion, exactly?
That they're the opposite sex. A man is not a woman nor vice versa and it's cruel to lie to them so you can avoid social shame or short term discomfort.

>Puberty blockers have entirely reversible effects
is there a source for that? Would someone who was on puberty blockers for several years and then stopped be no different than someone who took no puberty blockers?

>They do when the topic of the argument is limited in scope.
the scope of the argument has little to do with the actual real life ramifications of something

>You don't want dysphoria or homosexuality to exist in the public consciousnes
just because you think something is an illness doesn't mean it stops existing in public consciousness

>Cured in what way by whom?
maybe we would be able to figure these things out if it wasn't career suicide to go against the current narrative

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>If you care about people being hurt, why is it that you focus on something that affects an insignificant number of people when you could be spending the same effort on bigger issues and have both an easier time creating change and have an infinitely wider effect?
Since transgender people are such a small minority, wouldn't this logic lead you to conclude that just ignoring transgender people and letting them kill themselves would be the best solution since we have much more important things to worry about and spend effort on?

>>4288388
>(dead white guys)

so which of alive non-white guys should I study from?

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Asians that are not Josh Luna.

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sakimichan

>>4288388
What a terrible thread. What a terrible picture. I wish I'd never seen that. /ic/ threads are an actual detriment to drawing

>>4293324
This.
Based anon continues.

>>4288388
>makes a comic a about “sticking it to the wh*toids”
>meanwhile his identity and portfolio is based around an artstyle derived entirely from white male artists
Who really won here, zipperhead?

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He did, he's shitting on Whites while using their tools and making a living from it.

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>making a living from art is hard
Lol

>>4293324
>Mental help is often the first recommended course of action
An actual lie.
Wikipedia doesn't even mention it aside from "put on a skirt lmao" which only leads deeper into delusion.

>>4293324
In fact even suggesting that you can supress it or help people stay as they are in any trans community will lead to a spergout.

>>4293636
Every SJW used to be a bully in high school. They can't let go of their abusive behavior but there's no teachers to get random people in trouble with anymore, so they look to the mob rule of twitter instead.