/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4285118
Just moving this over here.

>>4285115
Oops, meant to post this.

>>4285125
read keys to drawing, study it well and complete all exercises
currently you have no idea what you are doing

>>4285132
I've been reading Keys to drawing and Drawing from the right side of the brain.

I've already done 4 exercises from KTD but It doesn't feel like I'm going anywhere, I know learning art is all about mileage and patience but these books give me a headache when I read them plus pic related doesn't really clear it up for me.

>>4285118
whats bob ross saying up there???

>>4285147
sorry to say but if ktd can't help you, no one can

>>4285147
Plus in KTD in page 27 and 89 have different ways of drawing the outline but I've read somewhere that drawing the outline is unnecessary and instead use the fundamentals...

This book probably teaches you about the fundamentals but it's late and I need to go to bed, I'll read it more thoroughly once I wake up.

>>4285162
meant to post this image, I do need some sleep dammit.

Post some refs, anons.

>>4285182

>>4285184

>>4285154
He's saying we're all gonna make it, as long as we give it our best!

>>4285165
youre awake enough to realise one is a bottle and the other is a head, right?

>>4285125
>>4285147
You've spent more effort posting here than you spent on drawing and reading.
Shut the fuck and draw you ADHD zoomie.

My head drawings keep looking absolutely horrible
Should I grind through Drawing the head & hands from Loomis?

>>4285218
ty bob ross

>>4285259
she cute

Here is something i have been working on, it is not finished but because it has not been shaded yet, i want to know what could be a good technique to use or methodology that replicates the old heavy metal comics , like moebius for example.could i get some advice on that ? Thank you for your time.

Did muh best

>>4285331
the ships would look good having reflective surfaces like Syd Mead did

>>4285259
Asuka poster, can we see what it looks like when you clean up one of these and get rid of the construction lines and stuff? Just commit and follow through. I see every body criticizing about the number of lines making her look old but I thin that's because you're still working the sketch. So what is you just make a new layer and give us some clean bold lines.

The only reason why I'm even browsing this board and grinding up fundies is because/ic/ has the highest frequency of underage posters and I hope to catfish a few in my art journey

>>4285419
I'm a 18 year-old girl would you like to teach me how to draw good?

>>4285428
dilate trannie

>>4285431
you're missing out...

Critique pls, i want to be better.

>>4285452
the proportions are weird in a lot of places. the feet are really small and the head is a little too big. the arm on our right is longer than the other and the pose is very stiff. your shading technique is good and i like her face, so just read up on construction and practise your anatomy and you will be going in the right direction.

>>4285476
>obviously stylised drawing
>uhhhhh durrrr the propurtionz xD
are you retard?

>>4285485
>it's muh style
yikes
cringe
cope
seethe
have sex
dilate

>>4285485
It was a good critic you gigantic faggot

trying out some different shading techniques here what do you think

>>4285485
ngmi

>draw something from observation
>head part looks good
>try constructing with loomis method
>head looks like shit
please explain

>>4285476
Thanks anon.I found that ''too big'' head is common in my figures. I starting drawing awlays from head, maybe thats the issue.

Is flipping the canvas when drawing to make sure it isn't lopsided a crutch

Please rip my ass apart about why this sucks donkey dick anon-kun

>>4285485
ngmi

>>4285452
Pippi longstocking?

>>4285555
women's jaws come forward from the ear, not straight down. but before we get into too much detail, the overall shape of your head is wrong because you got the perspective wrong. the camera is looking down at her. so the fact that your horizontal lines do not address that means everything else is gonna be wrong. we're not eye level with her. she's looking up at us.

if i was to take a cross section of her head, i would see an ellipse. do you see what i'm saying?

so start over. making a ball that is titled down so that the back of the head is higher than the front.

>>4285555

>>4285555
You didnt draw her cheekbones for one

>>4285485
stylized drawings need good proportions to work, that’s the whole point of stylization.
>>4285331
you’re gmi
>>4285154
your gesture is good but your construction technique is slightly off. the heads are too round, heads are made up of more blocky shapes than a beginner may realize. the hands and feet are a bit small but you did draw them so that’s good. you’re gmi

>>4285586
What does gmi mean ?

Is drawabox a good place to start if you've literally never drawn anything in your entire 28 year life?

>>4282317
Following from this. I've kept trying to work on it. Perspective is still a bit janky hopefully it'll get better in future drawings.

>>4285598
No, do Dynamic Sketching 1. Drawabox is a shitty rip-off of Dynamic Sketching.

>>4285622
That costs money.

>>4285628
Took me 5 seconds to find it for free

>>4285485
Based and GMIpilled

Help, how do I into rendering

>>4285620
The perspectives of the room especially the bed don't make any sense. It's as if the bed is being seen through a wide angle lense while the room is seen in regular perspective.

>>4285635
I googled it and the course on this website is $699

>>4285658
>>4285635
Ok well I found Dyanamic Sketching 2 in the art book thread but I'm not seeing 1

>>4285653
You should probably not redline perspective stuff if you don't actually understand how perspective works.
Your redline makes no sense, nor does your green line.
I recommend scott robertson's "how to draw", the first chapter is all about perspective and vanishing points.

>>4285663
it's on cg

>>4285653
The general rule in creative illustration is that if it looks fine, it's fine.
Unless you're an architect or an industrial designer you really don't need to be that precise.

>>4285673
I don't know what cg is. Could you just tell me where to find it? I know spoonfeeding is looked down on but I really don't know where to look for this.

>>4285677
torrenting site for art related stuff.
I don't think they're currently accepting new members.
You can try gfxpeers but they haven't had any open signups in a while either.

>>4285679
Nope they're also not accepting registration. So I'm just fucked then if I don't shell out $700?

Again I ask, is drawabox a good starting point?

>>4285681
Here you go
https://mega.nz/#F!5rJC1DpD!YmfcNMK0neDFoCpWYklLxA

>>4285681
It's basically the same thing, the only difference is that the guy who runs drawabox is a /beg/ himself.

>>4285681
cgpeers usually opens registration on the 15th of every month I think

>>4285684
Much appreciate.
These private trackers seem like they might be useful in the future though It'd be nice to get an invite to them somehow.

>>4285259
leave beg

>>4285118
Whenever I see progress threads, the progress is usually pretty small. Other people are seeing that too right? Am I just crazy?

Trying to learn coloring, critique welcome.

>>4285598
Draw a box is really good but shouldn't be the first thing you jump to.
You should probably start with observational drawing (Keys to Drawing / Right Side of the Brain) before jumping into construction but if you really wanna jump into construction, you have to AT LEAST read Perspective Made Easy before doing the drawabox lessons.
Drawabox doesn't really teach you anything about perspective, if anything, the author assumes you have a basic knowledge of it.

>>4285750
Learn values first, because in digital you can overlay colors over the values and it will look how its supposed to

>>4285750
for now i think there are 2 major pieces of advice i can give you
1. edge control - there should be edges that are really hard and edges that are so soft they disappear. observe photos, look for cast shadow and reflected light to figure out which edges look hard or soft
2. color of the light source - if the light source is warm, the shadows will probably look cool. you're moving within darker and brighter shades of one color. you need to also change the hue. i posted 2 pictures/tutorial in the previous thread. >4284879 >4284882
picrel is another tip about colors - its a neat trick to maintain a color harmony and give your painting an interesting twist.

>>4285681
look at the author's portfolio and decide for yourself whether you want to follow his advice. if you decide to go with it, use drawabox only as an aid for your drawings; so for example if your drawing has shit perspective, do the perspective lessons, go back to your drawing and fix it. dont drop all of your work to push through the whole course for next 3 months, you will stagnate badly.

Here's Dynamic Sketching 1 https://mega.nz/#F!whAg2QYD!S6X1smoI1lMNulQmvrMRbQ

>>4285767
sorry i fucked up the links. >>4284879 >>4284882

>>4285767
>>4285760
Ok so is this Dynamic Sketching a good place to just jump right in if you've literally never drawn or should I start somewhere else like those other things you mentioned?

Critiques on shading? I gotta get more practice in.
Hair is not done, and is getting reworked.

>>4285788
my tip for you is to practice with palettes of 3-5 colors. you have a lot of clashing colors here and it makes me feel kinda dizzy to see this picture. also, please practice value; you need to get a better idea of where to put shadows.

Trying to make the kid look ghostly

>>4285806
Is the house supposed to be falling apart anon? The roof is all kinds of weird. Nice detail this time however, not having trees with silly lines improves your work alot.

If you want the kid to be ghostly just make him transparent and draw the rest of the gate.

>>4285647
saw ur post on the other board (when u mentioned being used to cell shading) so im replying with what u asked there in mind. u need to practice textures and using other brushes. dont try to make everything look so clean. let yourself be messy and you'll clean your art up once it comes more naturally. stay away from the airbrush, brushes with a hard edges, blur tool, and the select tool for now. color pick your reference (paying attention to where the colors are on the wheel) and be messy. digital painting is nothing like traditional painting or cell shading. look for free brushes for ur drawing program of choice and just practice drawing random shit with them. remember that this is practice and that your still learning. you need to get out of your comfort zone, lean on references, and make mistakes.

>>4285806
You know, without that gay detail your work is pretty good. Architecture is kinda whacky and the devil kid needs some depth. Add color to this one, I want to see how well you are there.

>>4285594
gonna make it, as in have a career in art

>>4285806
Hey anon can I print this out and do something with it? This would make a good traditonal paintiing.

>>4285668
The only thing he did wrong was color choice for his lines, which is redundant because you can compare the line angles and tell that the whole image is warped

>>4285118
Been working on simply forming the human body and getting down anatomy though this was just for fun. Any tips on the gesture and the pic would be helpful, thanks.

>>4285776
you can start with dynamic sketching, its a good course, peter was taught by the best and has a lot of experience in teaching as well as a nice portfolio; just remember to take breaks inbetween videos to draw whatever you like and implement whatever you learnt. dont make drawing a chore and dont study 24/7. make it both clever *and* fun

>>4285767
Thanks man. Currently picking colors just by gut feeling, and evidently it is inaccurate. I'll keep practicing and will report back.

>>4285806
Some parts on the gate could be neater, looks like paint bucket wasn't the smartest option, the house looks like it's falling apart but I want to say your going for that, still try to fix up the building at least so the roof looks straight.

As always you put alot of detail in small things, nothing wrong with that but this time you did it right, don't make all of those stupid lines on trees without thinking about textures, this is more a step in the right direction from when you left off back months ago.

Heyo, i'm a retard and have been putting off painting shit for a while, and also been putting off making the switch to photoshop because i've grown too reliant on SAI for it's blending
I wanna know a few things:
>How are my colors
I always feel i muddy it a lot, i liked the ones here but i might not be seeing it right
>Which courses on environment/landscape paintings you guys recommend?
I've been watching some Noah Bradley videos and Marco Bucci for some advice on colors
>Is is possible to switch the brush size on the go
I LOVE the sai brush size thingy, i just press ctrl alt and pull my hand around to get the size i need, it's convenient as fuck. If i could get that on PS i'd love it
>Is it possible to have blending as good as SAI
Long shot, just love the way it reacts when i just go fucking ham to get more colors

That's it i think, would love some opinions and feedback, especially on the brush size thing

>>4285799
Yeah. It was supposed to mimic the colors of the show. I’ll see what can be removed.
I just threw in shade for the background. I think I’m getting the ideas of the shadows right.

>>4285806
just curious, how many hours would you estimate you've worked on this?

How do I fix his arms?

>>4286055
I think its an issue of pushing a pose. make his arms stretched out more. hes angy! upper arm like straight out and then each forearms poised respectively. maybe clench the other fist

>>4286101
Dynamic posing without reference is hard desu
>it's hard even with reference...

>>4285930
ref

>>4285930
Work on your body structure, detailing, and line confidence

>>4285118
What is a good alternative to "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain?" I cant do the exorcises in Krita.

>>4286114

just do the pose and feel how your body react. think of something that piss you the fuck off and scream in similar pose. your body will do it's own thing. when you scream in anger muscle get tense and some part of the body will just involuntarily move.

>>4285841
>>4285930
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>>4285452
>>4285259

>>4286187
Posting anime reaction faces instead of giving us actual critique so that we can improve is lame as fuck.

>>4286187
I want Maika to step on me.

>>4286187
>>4286193
crit pls

>>4286204
I gave you critique. Work on your line confidence and stop chicken scratching, use foundation more for your heads, add/take away certain details and work on value and shading. Also study up on human anatomy to make the arms and face as accurate as possible even when using a style. Also try to make your art a bit *neater*

>>4286212
didn't see it sorry mate and thanks

Am I doing this right?

>>4286217
No, something about the bottom of the chin is off. Also stop chicken scratching

>>4286260
I don't think you know what chicken scratching is.

His lines are very wobbly but there isn't enough to say to "stop chicken scratching."

>>4286263
Maybe I don’t, but their line confidence can definitely be improved regardless.

>>4286260
>>4286263
>>4286266
i draw circles pretty okay, and i can do C and S curves and lines overtop eachother near pefectly. the point of me doing loomis right now is to get how the form is put together im not worried about line quality for it just yet as im doing pages and pages of these

>>4286212
You said to study anatomy but I don't know where I'm going to study anatomy from.

I went through Glenn Vilppu's head drawing course, Proko's Portrait Drawing Course, Robert Beverly Hale's Head Anatomy Video, Proko's Neck Anatomy Videos, I've drawn a couple hundred skulls and I still don't see what you mean when you say to study anatomy.

Is there a magic pill for learning anatomy, because I'm going to all the places I can and I'm sitting down and taking notes and copying along but for some reason people just say "study anatomy" when I already know the anatomy. The problem is putting that anatomy to the paper which I don't think can be done by pure knowledge of anatomy.

And I did construct this head using the Loomis method as I practiced about 1000 times or for 6 hours a day for 4-5 days.

I also don't see the chicken scratching part. I don't make super long 10 inch lines perfectly but I also don't have little 2 centimeter lines connecting together. I'm not entirely sure you know what chicken scratching is exactly because I can show you an example of chicken scratching and what I did here.

For the "neater" part. What if I just used tracing paper and a light box? Or if I just went digital and threw my stabilizer up to 100? Isn't that what everyone else does when they haven't drawn for a decade?

>>4286270
Understood, my mistake. Well looking at the original picture something about the perspective seems off and the chin isn’t correlating to the rest of the head or something. The neck placement also seems strange. I can’t quite put my finger on it but that’s my 2 cents

>>4286274
ngmi

>>4286274
Sounds like you know anatomy but can’t apply it. Try hamptons book. You might also be struggling because you aren’t using reference enough or you aren’t using basic shapes to form your heads first. I’m wrong about the chicken scratching, my mistake. By neater I mean just be more cognizant of your lines before putting them on the paper. You have a ton of unnecessary details and you got super lazy at some points in the drawing by just scribbling by trying to detail. The eye for example, it has black in most of it but it’s white in the corners. Make it entirely black. Art is a long journey and anatomy is hard as I’m working on it alone but maybe you just need to change your approach or method. Good luck

>>4286266
Yea. I wasn’t saying that it can’t be improved. I just find it a bit annoying when people throw around the word “chicken-scratching” when it’s not really chicken-scratching.

I posted an example of what I think chicken-scratching is. I could be wrong but the left is what I used to do, the middle is what I do now, and the right is what I do after I’ve drawn something so much that it becomes like child play.

Ironically enough, I can draw pretty good cubes but I kind of rushed that last cube.

>>4286289
Hmm. Looking at that and yeah that’s definitely not what I meant, his work was more in the middle.

>>4286283
That reminds me. I have been just laying down my lines without really thinking.

I always start my heads with a circle, always. But I may benefit by dumbing down some of the features I draw into basic shapes before comitting as I realize that I almost destroyed the sideane with my eye.

The eye was kind of meant to be like that but I see what you mean. It does look a bit lazy now that I look at it.

Thanks for the advice. It is taking it a but longer than I’d hoped to just be able to draw the head but I think I’m improving little by little.

This thread proves again that people who don't have a clue about drawing are giving advice.

>>4286306
Pyw

>>4286306
Then give your critique since you know everything about drawing :)

>>4286276
after a few more attempts it's starting to look a little better

>>4286306
who in particular are you referring to?

>>4286409
I’m gonna assume he meant me because I said chicken scratching incorrectly a lot, so me making that minor mistake means I know nothing about drawing

>>4286401
Sorry you’re getting ignored.

The biggest problem here would be the perspective. It doesn’t seem like you understand perspective very well, or if you do, you’re not applying it to the face.

Try to get Marshall Vandruff’s Perspective Video series and go through it while taking notes. Then read through D’Amelio’s perspective handbook.

After that, just grind boxes until you can draw them in your sleep.

>>4286417
i have around 30+ pages of boxes, some using ruler to the VP lines and some without, then some freehand,i admit i havent really been looking at a certain perspective when drawing these heads, just kind going at it line by line

>>4286417
Not the op but I can’t seem to find the videos you’re referring to even on YouTube.

>>4286417
>>4286401
Of course, take my advice with a grain of salt.

This is why a basic understanding of perspective would be useful (see pic).

You can see the separation of the planes.

The left is extremely exaggerated and the right is closer to how I would sketch it. (First try, don’t roast me too hard.)

>>4286422
I’m dumb. Didn’t post pic.

You did say that you practiced boxes with perspective and all that but you have to be able to draw boxes very comfortably. Like it’s nothing.

It took me about 1 to 2 weeks of just grinding boxes to get to that point.

>>4286425
Just realized that the digastric plane is non-existent and I didn’t even attempt to try to replicate the same angle...

Why do I even try, anons :(

>>4286427
Lol it’s alright I’m sure he gets the point

>>4285806
i think a mike mignola artstyle would work on you

>>4286430
No! Must redeem!

>>4286419
The boxes I drew here were done through intuition only. I wasn’t thinking about VPs or any of that crap because I’ve drawn them so many times.

>>4286420
It’s $12, sorry. I wouldn’t really recommend YT videos though since most of them are for promotional purposes rather than educational.

There are Video Course threads in this forum. Try to see if they are there.

If not, you can get them from rutracker.net (I love the Russians!). You’ll have to create an account though. Use Google Translate to get through it.

>>4285930
>>4286130
>>4286204

are you... using the ref loosely?

>>4286440
Fuck!!!

>>4286443
Extremely.

>>4286443
>>4286447
Just for the hair. my other DADs had the hair popped up really high because I disn’t know that the hair can actually sit that close to the top of the head.

>>4285841
May someone pls critique this for me? I know it’s super flawed but I really wanna improve at drawing humans, women in particular and any advice would help

>>4286454
Also this is a wip it isn’t done I just want to know what I should change

>>4286454
Either learn to draw the head first or learn to draw the rest of the body.

If you decide to study the figure, there are tons of courses in the Video Course Thread about ‘Figure Drawing’ that will help you. You’ll notice that they’ll all stress Gesture on top of everything else even on top of Anatomy.

If you decide to go with drawing heads, try the Steve Huston HC course that is also in the Video Course thread. Picking up the Proko Anatomy course for the Anatomy of the Neck wouldn’t be too bad of an idea either.

>>4286454
The proportions are all sorts of fucked up, you took a sideways picture in low light, and the face looks like it was designed to induce pain through sight. TLDR learn anatomy and erase the part of your brain that draws faces like that

>>4286461
Thank you, I’ll refer to those.
>>4286463
Thanks as well. I drew the face like that for a cartoony style but I get you

>>4285118
I tried to finalize some more but I could use some help figuring out the far leg, it looks broken so I was hoping someone might point me in the right direction. Also, some help with the tail since it looks retarded, I'll make sure to go through setting up construction for it next time, since Scott Robertson's book has plenty of stuff on things like this.

>>4286463
Sideways picture in low light? What do you mean?

>>4285668
seeing another anon call out a redline gets my jollies going

how do i keep my line weights more consistent?
are there good exercises for this?

>>4286490
why not just turn off pen pressure and use the line weights you want by using a slider/new brush

>>4286490
Make your brush smaller, practice pressure control, lower the range of min and max size, or get accurate and carve your lines by going over them multiple times to control width

>>4286498
i feel like that might turn into a crutch
>>4286500
is there a good way to practice pressure control?

>>4286469
If you want people to crit make it so they dont need to rotate thier screens to even see what they are looking at

>>4286508
>implying digital isnt a crutch in itself already

>>4286513
Fair

>>4286520
You don't know what you're talking about

>>4286533
yeah yeah you keep thinking that lol

trying to copy more from anatomy for sculptors

>digital is all about efficiency
>but lets dial some knobs to change the line weights instead
jfc

What software do you recommend to turn pencil sketches into digital?

What's your guys favorite method of construction?

>>4286581
toobs and ellipses. I don't really like using boxes for the torso, I feel like it's a bit stiff

I'm here to boost /beg/'s confidence.
Your drawings might be bad, but at least they're not as bad as mine.
First drawing of 2020, practically went 'fuck it' halfway through and ended up with this mess.
Not happy with the result but at least I drew something today.

>>4285154
>Right? Isn't this easy?

>>4285788
I'm unsure if this is a direct trace or heavily referenced but the artist you're studying from has a very particular way he distorts facial proportions so he can sell his interpretation of a yandere face, and it really does not mesh with what you did in the second panel. The left side of her face looks too large because in the original work the eyes aren't open that wide and the face in general is mroe contorted.

As for shading, your dark tones on the left arm don't really describe the form of an arm and the shade in the forearm is incongruous with the rest of your lighting. To avoid this you should plot out the general direction of light in the whole image before working into specific regions.

>>4286543
>wanting to use a medium with unlimited options for control without taking the easy techniques on yourself as a crutch means you're using a crutch

I'm not even that guy but you project such strong NGMI energy for so early into a new year that I couldn't help but laugh a little when I read it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOgemxH4Xdc
what should i focus on if i want to draw like this

>>4285681
Drawabox seems to have its place at times.
Like, it's insisted you do every menial exercise before even looking at the next lesson, but I don't think it's necessary.
Do what you can, and move along without getting hung up on every specific detail, and revisit exercises and lessons if you're no good. Obviously don't jump straight into the hardest lesson, but don't not attempt harder exercises simply because you haven't done the previous lessons.

Just don't spend a month or whatever drawing only boxes or cylinders in the "challenges", only to move on to the next lesson and find out you've wasted time.

Also avoid the community like the plague.
Filled with ngmi types trying to overtake any kind of discussion. Advice is generally terrible there.

Attempting to understand shading with the simplest of shapes and a single value. Still not sure.

>>4286704
Not bad. I would put in more curvature into your shapes to make it more organic though.
Have you watch good shapes by Marco Bucci?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90&vl=en

>>4285118
I don't want to be a shadelet anymore, /ic/. I was too scared as a kid to shade in my drawings. This is the second time I've shaded a drawing in my life. How do I fix this? What are some of the key things that I am doing wrong? The outlines, the color value... It's all fucked.
For one, I think the way I am holding the pencil for shading might be wrong. I hold it almost horiontally and I have to test it out under my drawing before applying it so I have a bunch of little scribbles.
The room was fairly well lit. The only light source was from the top of the head out of the picture.

using medibang on android, trying to learn colors and shading

feels like I'm using watercolors so that's adding to my personal difficulty

critiques welcome, study material and advice also welcome

Is there a tutorial or anything to follow to learn this style of shading simple sketches?

If I post furfag shit will I get the b& hammer? should I link it to an imgur? I just want a critique and idea of where I'm at, I'm liking how this sketch is comming out.

>>4286656
Really depends on your current experience. But seeing as you're posting in beg most likely your best bet is to not focus on "drawing like that" and focus on the fundamentals and drawing from real life instead.

>>4286817
outline reflected light areas and fill them in with light hatching

>>4285814
It's supposed to be a decreped victorian home, so yes, falling apart.

And yea I'm gonna ditch the tree details, it's a hit and miss with likes. Some people love it some don't.
>>4285827
Thnx bruh, will do. I'll add colors today. Currently watching some speed paints to get the feel of what to do, I used to ddaw anime alot and want to stray way from it.
>>4285836
Anyome can do whatever they want with my work, go for it, if you have a twitter tag me with it 'BaphometArtist tho.
>>4285864
Alright, since I'm getting decent feedback I'll do such. Just noticed the paint bucket fail on the fence too lol
>>4286009
I take alot of brwaks to work on nma courses, around 4 or 5 hours all together probably.
>>4286431
O shit, I love his work. His cutscenes in the dants's inferno games are some of my favorite animations.

>>4285806
>artflow
Nigger you did this on a droid? That's actually kind of impressive, I always see 4th grader teir work on non-computer tabs

>>4286916
>used to draw anime
Kek, that's why your anatomy is always off, you should have listened to what every art teacher says and ditch it.

>>4286927
>you should have listened to what every art teacher says
>listening to jews
>ever
the eternal ngmi strikes again

>>4286916
>access to new master's academy
Can you rip some courses?

>>4286928
>implying Steve Hudson is a yid
>Implying Glenn Vipplu is a yid
Nolol

>>4286655
Ctrl+z

>>4286923
It's more like the artist than the tools used. You can do hyper realism in ms paint if your good enough

>>4286916
Yea anon, do more of the black and white stuff with less of the detail you put into older stuff. The post above is a shit ton better than the witches sabbath you did with the dumbass looking trees. You should try re-doing it with more of the last style you did.

Get yourself a copy of figure drawing for all it's worth and keep doing what your doing, you cam a decent way over a few months from the trash you originally posted.

>>4287041
>feel like I need to disable ctrl z again because drawing takes me ages and I never add any appreciable amount of detail
>remember last time I did it all I ended up doing was getting the eraser tool out more often
this basic shit here took me 3 hours and I didn't even finish

can I leave /beg/ yet?

Trying to start a project, is my gesture game good?

>>4287085
WOAH THERE, buddy! Legs are a little too long

>>4287093
Not him but long legs are the shit

>>4285452
PROTIP: Draw two lines on your arm: one on the end of the elbow closer to the hand, and the other one at the wrist; that is how long feet are.

>>4287093
When doing cartoony shit you can make the legs longer or shorter depending on how sexy you want the character to be.
Also a good time to remind everyone in this thread that proportions that you read about in art instruction books are based on the "optimal" proportions, they're not set in stone.

>>4286916
>I take alot of brwaks to work on nma courses, around 4 or 5 hours all together probably.
It doesn't show that much

Should i use refrences to draw loomis heads for contruction practice or should i do it all from my head? My end goal is to draw from imagination so i feel looking at real people will just make me get good at copying stead of at drawing

>>4287108
I don't do that many, at least I won't until spring comes and the weather goes to shit. I only recently started drawing again after going on haiatus in speptember-december for autumn's nature.

>>4286994
Nice face and head, but there’s more to artwork than just a head and a face. Step out of your comfort zone

>>4287127
>only drawing during spring and summer
That makes no sense, why draw at all? You'll stay stagnent for a long time doing that.

>>4287126
do both

>>4287130
I draw for fun, not for money or to make it pro like some people, skill level has gone up more from where it was last summer, used to be shit teir dime a dozen anime doddles.

>>4287138
Hobbyist scum

>>4287138
>tries to have fun with art
>posts on /ic/
You people ruined this board

>>4287141
>>4287150
I’ve noticed hobbyists tend to be better on average than people trying to be “pros” or at least their work is more soulful because they’re just drawing things they like. just an observation.

>>4287141
>>4287150
With your additudes he'll make it before either of you faggots. Being tryhards also tends to get you blacklisted.

Also anon if you see this your work has soul but needs anatomy work.

What are great hand-eye coordination exercises?

>>4286274
how to study anatomy:
1. try to draw hands
2. realize they look goofy and you dont know how to draw hands
3. open a ref of hands and try to copy it with an intent of memorizing it
4. if its still confusing open some course and try to draw the ref again paying attention to stuff descibed in the course
5. try to draw hands again using your new knowledge

this is the studying anatomy magic pill, all begs please remember about this

>>4287196
This is such shit advice and is coming from someone who sounds like they’ve never actually did this shit successfully.

Here’s how to study hands, faggot:
1. Realize that just copying shit doesn’t help you to draw from imagination.
2. Learn the bones of the hand and be able to draw them easily.
3. Learn the basic shapes for the anatomy of a hand. Don’t actually study real anatomy. That’s what /beg faggots do.
4. Draw the hand using those easy shapes over and over—referring back to the reference if you have to.
5. Eventually you don’t need ref and can draw hands from imagination using basic shapes.
6. You can stop here and bullshit the detail or you can copy a bunch of hands—but this time you’re not copying like an ignorant faggot. You are constructing it using basic shapes and then applying the details afterwards.

>>4287218
Just copy hand poses, it's the faster and more practical way to learn how to draw hands.
Learning the bones and muscles of the human body is only going to really help you once you already know how to draw the basic shape of the human body parts.
Which you learn through copying from references.
Please don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about.
A lot of people here on /ic/ will take your advice very seriously, especially here in the /beg/ thread so please don't post stupid shit like this.

>>4287166
Hobbyosts have alot more soul because they don't try hard to be like others. If they do make it they stand out alot
>>4287180
This

>>4287234
I literally just said to NOT study the actual anatomy you nigger. Learn the basic shapes after learning the bones so you don’t end up using the basic shapes as a crutch and do anime shit.

>Which you learn through copying references
No you don’t, you retarded nigger. Unless you are an /int, all you are going to do is copy lines like an ignorant faggot and not learn shit. You learn the basic shapes by watching video courses of how other people do it. Making your own basic shapes is reinventing the wheel.

Please don’t give shit advice. Copying random poses at hands makes you better at copying. Copying construction makes you better at construction. Fuck off with your shit copying advice you Proko shill.

>>4287243
wtf

>>4287243
yikes

>>4287089
Moved to digital because it’s easier to correct mistakes IMO. Started a very shitty rough sketch, how am I doing?

>>4287127
>>4287138
The Chad Hobbyist

>>4287130
>>4287141
>>4287150
The Drawmaxxed Incel

>>4287243
Post physique.

>>4287128
this is the only confirmation that I wanted. Being an occasional drawer for quite some time, if I couldn't even get the head right,then going on with drawing would be pointless. Now I'll move on forward,thanks.

>>4287218
>>4287243
Is this bait?

>>4287089
>>4287282
Mmmm... Noodles..

>>4285346
>>4286112
work on your lines, they're very important in a drawing
and never stop drawing

>>4287309
Yea... maybe I should be just a tad bit more into the progress before I start posting

>>4287218
>>4287243
god you're such a sad, frustrated person. its so easy to spot your posts. upload at least one drawing to the board before you start flooding us with your mental diarrhea for once. if you had any decent drawings you WOULD back this shitstorm with them. i did it once already, but here's another middle finger for you. remember to pyw this time before you crab, every time you talk without posting a drawing you become more of a laughing stock. i hope you perish

Shamelessly requesting feedback on this grill sketch before i try to proceed with it any further. Background might be northern lights with some mountains or it might not depending on how i feel when i start to take it forward.

>>4286838
posting in beg because beg seems like the general "ask for help" place, and none of the other generals really seem like it

how do i resize a image?

>>4286545
You're on the right path anon.

>>4287322
I think you should use less lines but make them longer instead.
Your gesture gets very hard to read because you repeat the same lines a bunch of times.
You can be messy in a gesture, but you shouldn't repeat lines if it doesn't add anything to the gesture.

I'm trying to do 1000 gesture drawings this month. I'm basically a total beginner and have never made a serious go at gesture drawing before. Should I be doing fast gesture drawings or slow ones? I know the answer is "both" but what do you recommend a beginner focus on first?

how am i doing?

>>4287436
For the organic shapes exercises you shouldn't go over your lines multiple times.
And the center line should follow the contour of the form instead of just being a straight line down the middle.
Your lines are still very wonky so keep practicing.

>>4287434
I suggest starting with slow ones if you're completely new to gesture drawing. You have more time to analyze the pose and proportions.

Should i read FWAP or Drawing Heads And Hands by loomis? Also do i practice by drawing what he draws?

>>4287436
Keeping going!
Just don't get stuck on Draw A Box.
Like a few other anon's said, people in that subreddit seem to believe that you should 'master' all the elements but you really should just be comfortable with each exercise and then move on.

>>4287450
>Should i read FWAP or Drawing Heads And Hands by loomis?
Both contain the same information to a certain degree so you can start with either.
But if you're a complete beginner I would start with FWAP since it eases you into the construction method more instead of just infodumping at the beginning.
> Also do i practice by drawing what he draws?
Yes.
But you should also experiment on your own after you copied what he did.

>>4287436
You're probably holding your pencil too close and drawing with your wrist. Stop drawing small.

>>4287455
Thank you il try that

>>4287282
>>4287322
>>4287089
Well, here we go...
Care to critique, Anons?

>>4287493
And no, I’m not done yet, nowhere near it

>>4287493
Can you post the ref?

>>4287496
I don’t have one... decided to test my “drawing from imagination” skills

Some warm up sketches I did this morning

>>4287498
It's good to test yourself every now and then but your first 1000 gesture drawings should all be from reference.
You have to build your visual library before you can start doing them from imagination.

>>4287493
>>4287495
Post when you have something substantial to show. Theres literally nothing to say about this.

>>4287434
here are a few so far. spending maybe 2min each, not sure. some longer some shorter. 1/3

>>4287526

>>4287493
Try exegerating the pose more without paying too much attention to details.

>>4287528
3/3

>>4287447
>>4287451
copy that!
>>4287456
i'm drawing with my should but you are right about holding the pencil too close

>>4287082
Ctrl+A, Delete. I use it a lot.

Can anyone who's good at gesture drawing post their examples?

>>4287534
ouch

How the fuck do you draw hair without symbol drawing it?

>>4285118
How do I turn this into something finished?
ASG is too infatuated with their Discord to be a populated thread.

Where can I find good references of female face models that dont wear too much make-up and are in natural high contrast light?

>>4287574
COUGH

>>4287093

its stylize

>>4285118
Any tips on how to keep my sketching clean? I've actually been doing great progress, but now I feel like the mess I make when I'm sketching is really hindering me. The first problem is that things reach a point where I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore, and the second, is that the mess really makes it hard to finish things, since I have to do a lot of cleanup on the sketch itself after I'm done.

Is it as simple as having multiple sketching steps, where the first is simple blocking, for instance, and then you kinda sketch something a bit more detailed over that, and so on, or should I be striving to keep everything clean from the start?

Any help would be appreciated, because this has been a really big problemo.

Am i on the right track? And if i am do i start learning features or just keep grinding this

Practicing values. How do I unfuck the hair?

>>4287596
keep doing these, some of them are really wonky

>>4287596
>>4287636
my .02 is to keep these lines somewhat more parallel. The ones in green are OK, the ones in red need some work.

>>4287645
whoops didnt mean for that to be a PNG

>>4287564
Conceptualise it as volumes and don't try to draw every individual strand.

>>4287647
What are these lines supposed to show?

Why aren't you practicing gesture for 6 hours?

>>4287645
Yeah i actually noticed that when i kept doing them so its good to know i got the idea of it thank you

>>4287661
...i just told you in the last post

>>4287647
It's bad. Accept and move on.

>>4287698
>The ones in green are OK, the ones in red need some work.
Based on what? You're own opinion of what looks right and wrong?

>>4287707
I'm not the OP retard

>>4287714
I'm showing which lines are relatively parallel and which are not. That's pretty objectively true or not. I think you're not understanding, perhaps because you're a very stupid person.

>>4287714
The side should be flattened, so that means it runs parallel with the middle line after it drops off the ball.
If it doesn't run parallel, it means you fucked up the alignment.

>>4287717
>I'm showing which lines are relatively parallel and which are not.
Was that so hard?

Does /ic/ like robots?

>>4287720
Lol. Why did literally everyone else including OP know exactly what I meant but you needed it reiterated? Go on, tell me.

>>4286490
Pick a brush with high pressure sensitivity and go across the screen in a straight line alternating pressure. Then next to it do a line with opposite pressure.

>>4287725
So everyone had a chance to learn something. No need to go full sperg on offense.

>>4287720
You must be REALLY bad at pattern recognition if you cant figure that out in 10 seconds

>>4287732
>No need to go full sperg on offense.

>>4287720

>>4287645
He said it right there moron

i spent more time on this piece of shit than i would like to admit
some things that im already aware of
>bad lighting and shadows
>that bucket (noticed it at the very end and was too tired to fix it by then)

I spent more time on this piece of shit that I would like to admit
Some things i'm already aware of
>bad lighting and shadows
>that bucket (noticed it at the very end and was too tired to fix it by then)

trying a new style what think. also can anyone help me out with the eyelashes, and everything else, but specifically the eyelashes

>>4287741
no background

>>4287743
eyelashes don't look too bad as they for me personally
lips look like they were cut out from some magazine and then glued to the rest of your picture though

>>4287741
bro that bucket is the least of your worries

>>4287741
>>4287745
Keep practicing, anon, I believe in you!
Remember, the first 1000 will never look good!

>>4287750
ouch you're right. how can I fix that? would smoothing(? the edges work?

>>4287752
i know, so could you please give me detailed critique so that I would know where to improve?

>>4287745
How do people get this deviant art tier smudge shading style?

>>4287761
Just draw more.
There's not really 1 thing that stands out as bad, it's just a lack of practice.
Put in some hours first then come back and ask for critique because right now the only really valid critique anyone could give you is to just continue to draw. especially from references.

>>4287761
>detailed critique
Is for non-beginners. You need to work on everything. Go back to basics. Gesture, form, proportion, perspective... none of it is right. Start over.

>>4287730
>>4287734
lol. Seethe, retard.

>>4287085
You are here forever as we all are!

>>4287741
Don't bother rendering stuff in color before you gain some basic drawing skills.
Get good at drawing first, which will take a while, then bother with colors and other pretty things.
Rendering is just the cherry on top, but you should first create a stable cake.
Your art will only be as good as the underlying drawing and good rendering won't save a shitty drawing.

>>4287770
>>4287768
ok thanks, guess i'll just draw more using references
fuck the basics though, at this point i want to throw up each time i open loomis, proko, drawabox or any of that shit. I'm so sick of it all
I did apply construction and all that other stuff when doing this btw

>>4287764
i used this smooth ink brush, when i need to merge two colors I just play around with it and those two colors i need to merge. I use drawing table though, without having an ability to control opacity by applying certain pen pressure I imagine this would be annoyingly slow to do

>>4287795
>fuck the basics though
Your attitude is showing through in your work.

>>4287795
>fuck the basics though, at this point i want to throw up each time i open loomis, proko, drawabox or any of that shit. I'm so sick of it all
How long have you been drawing for?

I have never drawn tied up hair before and need help portraying convergence to the bun. Also have no idea how to transition to the front hair.

>>4287721
You know that you can't blame bad anatomy on the subject matter being a robot, do you?

The use of the few shadows is good and effective at adding some depth. The animu-faces are cute, the robot arms/hands look pretty cool. The bottom right one in particular, although the bottom left is kind of a mess. I can't really tell whats going on with those fingers. The overall arrangement of everything looks nice, too.

The full figure is just terrible, though. Garbage proportions, extremely awkward pose that fails at everything it seems to want to accomplish. The whole thing looks like a bunch of symbols stacked on top of each other with no regards to how they are connected. It would probably help if you studied some more anatomy and constructed the figure first without clothes, then looked into how cloth acts and put the clothing over the figure. Those stilt-hoof-legs might work if you put the same effort into their design as you did with the arms in the close-up.

To your question: I do like well-designed robots, yes.

>>4287808
Enormous proportion mistakes. Fix those first.

>>4287813
How do you know its a mistake and not stylized?

>>4287819
That nose tho

>>4287819
Prove it

>>4287802
dont know what answer to give you here, technically i started like a little more than half a year ago but i would stop drawing for weeks at some points
i did pages and pages of figure, gesture, construction and similar stuff though. I did this drawing using the stuff I learned, i'm obviously going to keep the basics in mind more when drawing in the future but no im not going to do another 20 pages of gesture drawing or another 250 boxes, fuck that shit

>>4287824
>>4287828
Long nose fetish
\discussion

>>4287828
>prove that art isnt art
literally impossible

>>4287829
Did you use two different references and not account for the size diff or is she supposed to be a giant? If she is supposed to be a shota mommy she still needs to be like half her size, her shoe is bigger then the book ffs

>>4287819
>>4287834
Not him but if it was a stylistic choice it wouldn't be a problem to draw a realistic version of that face in profile view, no?

>>4287835
its shota
but yeah the backpack and book are still too small haha

>>4287829
You could try copying some of your favourite artists their work.
I know copying others is a bit frowned on here but it's a legit way to get better.
I think your issue is that you don't understand how to properly apply the things you learned to create something appealing.
So copy some of your favourite artists and try to understand what makes their art so appealing.

>>4287836
If its stylized it dosent need to be able to be drawn realistically because its stylized, look at all those anime irl rendetions where they look like aliens,

>>4287436
I can tell you are right handed.

>>4287841
>I know copying others is a bit frowned on here
Huh, why though? I thought it's only a problem if you do that and try to sell it as your own?
>>4287846
At first I was skeptical but now I know for sure that I've been successfully baited. Good one anon.

>>4287855
Why would it need to be drawn realistically if it looks good? Name literally 1 reason

>>4287743
I really like the skin tone.
I feel like her eyelids are too thin. You need to add a little bit of thickness to them, both top and bottom.

>>4287857
I'm not saying you should pick realism over stylization (unless you want to of course) but I'm saying how can you stylize something that you don't (seem to) understand in the first place?

>>4287819
>/beg/ in one sentence

>>4287862
What does he not understand? Nose bridge size?

>>4287869
If the nose is the only thing you notice that is off about that face then maybe a couple of facial anatomy studies might be of your interest.

>>4287862
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
No, you don't need to be able to draw something realistically to stylize it.
That's retarded.
Do you really think most cartoonists out there can draw a human figure realistically? What about anime artists? Mangaka literally learn to draw in a manga style from day 1, no realistic bullshit.
Jesus if there's one misconception I could ban from this board, it's this one.

>>4287819
>>4287824
>>4287831
>>4287862
>>4287879
Shit dude I leave for a few minutes to take a shower and come back to this? Yes it's anime, and I realize I still need a better grasp of facial anatomy.
I'm just gonna go back to practicing with references.

>>4287436
Peter Han specifically said when doing the lines, don't go above or below the line, keep drawing it straight
You should probably do the week 1 exercises until you can draw decent lines and circles

>>4287436
>>4287891
Also you're not really describing the form of the organic blobs, keep practicing

>>4287879
>What about anime artists? Mangaka literally learn to draw in a manga style from day 1,
I doubt that he's a professional manga artist.

>>4287808
nose being too long is somehow a very common mistake for beginners attempting to draw anime

>>4287741
Is this a Dark Souls mod?

>>4287859
thank u anon! had to stop myself from using the color picker so I spent at least 15 minutes trying to get a good skin color. Also by adding thickness do you mean like making the fold(? darker? or wider? or higher? sorry I'm kinda stupid

>>4287810
thank you anon, I probably should have taken more time to improve it before posting it here, but your advice was very helpful anyway. What's the most effective way to get good at anatomy/anatomy+clothing? I haven't been drawing very long and I want to make sure that I'm learning in a way that won't make me worse at art.
Here's another quick (unfinished) sketch I did, I know the legs are fucky but I'm not completely sure why.

>>4285806
If you keep at it you could do really good comic work anon. You have a blog? I want to see how you progress the next few months.

new

>>4287982
>>4287982

>>4288032
hey Anon what app is this

>>4285118