/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I've been doing this sketch over and over since yesterday is it a waste of time ?

>>4278566
this was the first one

First time

>>4278566
>>4278570
its not a waste of time per se, but are you realizing any improvements between each iteration? look at your image and think, what specific part is your largest shortcoming. now go study it in depth, rotate it, understand its volume. now if you do a new iteration use that new knowledge to improve it. just brute forcing the same sketch again and again without critical thinking and study is a really slow way to improve.

Asuka stretching

Question unworthy for its own thread:

Are any of you more experienced digital artists drawing on a tablet without resting the pinky side of your hand on it, keeping your hand floaty and shoulder loose?
Im wondering if this is even doable with digital.

What's the proper way to practice something from a book without copying?

>>4278583
I've tried this for a while because I hate getting my screen all sticky from my sweaty hands but after a few minutes it starts hurting to keep your arm in the air.
So unless you want to take a break every 5 minutes, you're better of resting your hand on the screen.

>>4278566
Use your coomer mind to your advantage, look at the ass, does fat, flesh, and skin really act like that?
Would her right thigh and everything below really protrude out perpendicular to the viewer's light of sight, despite the rest of her body pointing at a different angle?
How do those luscious thighs connect to those wide hips?
Is her ass and pelvis really that wide and skewed to her right?
Where would her arms/hands stop when standing up?
You've certainly improved since your first drawin, but there are numerous persistent issues that arise in each iteration.

>>4278570
I like the way you draw hands and fingers

>>4278583
I use my whole arm when sketching down the basic shapes as I get much more precision in my lines that way. For everything else like tracing, coloring, shading etc. I work with my palm resting on the surface.

some doodles as usual

I think i did too much.
idk what i'm doing wrong i suck lol

feet day 2

What would be a good way to make a practice regiment as a beginner ?
I was thinking of starting with construction and gesture drawing, would that be a good place to begin with ?
I have some practice but I want to actually make it a daily goal to practice the coming year and git gud.

Holy fuck why do I struggle so much with the placement of the iris it's like I can never get the eyes to point where I want them

>>4278935
it depends where you want them to look but a dumb thing that you can do in order to get them looking in front of the subject is to make them slightly crosseyed.
It sounds counterintuitive but it does work.

>>4278574
i love the way you draw eyes, keep at it asukaposter

>>4278583
Letting a hand rest on-screen and using the whole arm are not mutually exclusive.

>>4278960
retard.

>>4278974
You know artist half gloves are sold dirt cheap on Amazon and let the hand glide, freeing the whole arm right?

>>4278976
Use paper towel.

>>4278807
Hey feedback anon, I really appreciate it, you gave me similar feedback last time, and it really reinforces what I need to work on. I started drawing with references (zyzz wasn't with reference, but I guess now I'll need to do that, it just sorta turned into zyzz). I was the one that drew all the skirt girls in the last thread. What improvements for ref drawing do you have? eg.
>>4278411
>>4278389
>>4278358
>>4278322
Self critically, I feel like I'm not using my construction lines to their fullest, they seem less useful when they aren't accurate, so now I'm starting to understand why the fundies are pushed so hard. If your dude isn't 6-8 heads tall, the thigh is going to be out of wack and you'll spend 8 redraws of the thigh never to get it just right. Of course I chicken scratched, but with these I tried to be stronger with my lines, I found a leather glove and that's helped with drawing on the ipad. I had some real nice flow states here and there. Thank u again anon, your positive and encouraging tone sure makes me want to improve to see what you'll say the next time. Have you thought about teaching? You make people that are doing terribly want to keep going, and that's how you get a kid to read jane austin.

>>4278982
Paper towel is also good for making a wet pallet (with baking paper and a container) if anyone is new to painting and sees their paints dry out.

I FEEL like my anatomy is ok, but I hate the scratchiness of pencil.

Any recommendations for technique or just changing up medium? I'm feeling like I should just move to digital...

>>4279047
If you can't afford a tablet and such, get smooth paper and some brush markers.

>>4279047
The top of head/crown is too small, extend it a little bit.

>>4278959
Update

Got Dinotopia as a christmas gift for myself. Just started trying to copy some dinos relatively quickly.

>>4278571
Hey welcome to the /beg/ thread! ic is only as good as the people in it so try your best and be kind. First things first, resize your image, see the thread header. Secondly try and rotate your image, I know some phones fuck it up and 4chan sometimes fucks with it too.

With that preamble out of the way lemme critique!
- Your proportions on the man are wrong and the woman is wrong too
- The female looks masculine and the breasts appear flat
- Good news is you used blank paper and had some fun with colour!
- You're cheating by not showing hands or feet
- I like the body hair and moles on your guys very cool and most don't do it.
- You've got a decent grasp of male legs, not great but you aren't retarded
- Head is too small on male
- Shoulders are too small on male
- Shoulders are too wide on female
- Hips are too wide on male
- Hips are almost right on female hard to tell sideways lol
- Draw the face
- You symbol draw the upper body, not too bad but still.

How to study:
- This is least important TO YOU. You need to work on Line confidence but it's not the worst. It's beginner but not your biggest concern.
- Check out male and female proportions
- You need some gesture drawings. ANYONE who wants to draw humans needs gesture. Do 5 pages minimum a WEEK. Just do 60 second ones to understand the flow
- Study hands and feet. Feet are harder imo but hands are inherently ugly.
- You specifically need to study arm musculature. My favourite body builder hands down is Bob Paris. Check out his physique.
- Study breasts head on. You can't really show how a breast looks with only lines from the front, you need to shade. Draw 5 pages of only breasts. Don't get a boner lol
- Double check knees. Knees are weird but you did pretty well


Links for studying:
https://youtu.be/wgDNDOKnArk

Bob Paris:
https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Bodybuilder-Bob-Paris.jpg

Quick poses isn't my favourite but here:
https://www.quickposes.com/en/gestures/random

>>4278959
>>4279108
what the hell are you trying to accomplish?

Trying to design some characters

>>4278890
Hey man lemme try and steer you in the right direction.
Look up deliberate practice. There is a lot you can start with so honestly whatever piques your interest isn't a bad start. The best way to practice is in a way that doesn't burn you out. So if you wanna do gestures, do a bunch then draw something fun. Beginners also commonly avoid projects. In short, study, do something fun, MAKE A PROJECT. Remember: Finished, not perfect. Projects give you more experience than any type of studying.

>>4278574
Nice stuff man.

>>4279135
Would be cool if her poncho was half poncho and half cape/cloak to cover her demon eye half.

>>4278566
>>4278570
>>4278573

yeah, it's actually good that you are redrawing sketches that you find lacking, it's a good habit to get into, but the important thing is to notice and be aware of what it is that it is lacking, if the pose looks awkward or unrealistic consult reference of pinups with that pose or something, and then redraw. another worthwhile thing is to draw it another way, like starting from a different bodypart, or starting with very loose gesture, or drawing every bodypart as a block in perspective at first. this way you are analyzing the drawing in many ways, and it will give you many insights into the problem you might not have thought about before.

>>4279134
A figure that takes inspiration from mother characters designed by Stephen Silver, Robert Crumb, and Ian Jones-Quarterly. I haven't included hairstyles or outfits yet because I am focusing on underlying shape first. Ultimately I want to create a SuperMILF/ShazaMILF type character who will be the co-protagonist of a project I am trying to develop.

>>4278583
>>4278588
you could just apply the traditional method

>>4279150
It hurts, It's too procedural made of perfect circles and curves. It has no soul, you can't see how the milf fat curves and melds in with itself. It's basically a snowman.

>>4279156

>>4279150
well they look like family guy shadman abominations

From a drawing by John Singer Sargent. Any advice on how to improve my draftsmanship?

>>4279163
Is there a way I can fix it? Also, what does "too procedural" mean?

>>4279182
not him, but it lacks gesture and looks too stiff

What are the recommended pens? Fineliner or micron? What size?

>>4279186
Is this just for the inked thumbnail, or the rotation as well?

From a drawing by John Singer Sargent. Are there any ways to improve draftsmanship besides the usual cycle of repetition and observation?

>>4279182
You draw it with all the blemishes that come with drawing. When I say procedural I mean it looks like you used the pen tool and the circle tool and snipped the points together to make perfect curves and lines. It's lifeless and looks as if it was clip art instead of something you have put your heart into. Always the graphic designer, never the graphic artist.

>>4279200
unrelated but i feel like i'm in this level of shading and don't know how to move forward to achieving shit like this
is it all about using stumps?

>>4279182
You need gesture.

>>4279202
I come from an animation background and worked mostly in Adobe Animate. Although I do use transform tools on my construction layers, my shapes, lines, and finally inks are all freehand. I work in Krita, so it is all raster and not vectors.

>>4279229
>>4279232
soul

>>4279236
soul's all well and good but i wish i was a bit skillful also. can i trade 10 soul points for 10 skill points

simplistic one

>>4279126
Already posted this in the last thread but you seem to know your fundies, got any art to show off?

>>4279245
what? assuming youre the OP of those two pixely pieces, there is a ton of skill here, nearly on the level of video games that have similar art. what do dislike about your current work?

>>4279253
still has too many associations with cartoony shapes and it reminds me of when i became really invested in drawing cartoons. i want to go minimal without "pushing the decorative aspect too far", in a similar vein to what this guy talks about here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNNRtQM-Xvk
you know when you're removing information and making all the lines more intentional to build up the same impression as with all the information, and you know when you're just decorating the subject with a few lines. i feel as if i'm doing the latter at the moment

>>4279276
that was very pretentious sorry. i didn't mean to slag off cartoons, there's lots of merits to drawing like that. it's just not something i want to sit in and develop

practicing clothing + feet + hands + hair

I ink over my pencil marks with a pen and while erasing sometimes the pen smears. How do I avoid that?

>>4279301
How long are you letting the ink dry?
Also what is the quality of ink or quality of paper? These all play a role I think

>>4279295
her left hand and right foot look really good anon
i also like the clothing folds
stop avoiding faces silly

>>4279304
I’m a complete newbie when it comes to pens. I’ve heard regular ballpoint pens are fine and i’ve used regular printer paper if that makes a difference. I try to let it dry after a minute or two.

Some 45s~3m gestures

>>4279295
trying to unfuck the shirt a bit

>>4279309
Thanks anon, I'll learn how to faces one of these days.

Gesture

>>4278563
hand and digital, i'm suck cleaning

>>4279347
you cant even trace your own drawings?

Y I K E S
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remember to feel the pinch anons

trying some organic forms

>>4279309
decided to try it out, pretty pleased with the result!

>>4279166
Quick make a patent

>>4279396
thats great anon, the proportions are pretty good so you should definitely push yourself more with faces as you seem to already be ok with them. if i can suggest something try to use less outline/less harsh outline when drawing the lips and nose. some subtle shading can do the job. here's my current sketch to show what i mean.

Hey, any tips on the background?
should i use a more solid shadow?

>>4279422
nah, leave the background alone. its ok. i would focus more on ditching the airbrush, some cel shading could really bring this piece to life.

>>4279295
>>4279327
the feet are off. look at the angle of the line the top of the toes make on the left vs the right. also look at the way her right (as in the right from her perspective) thigh goes into the knee. her left leg is too short. think a bit about how the breasts hang. clothes look fine to me.
overall it looks good though, just being picky because i want you to improve the little stuff since you have the big stuff down. is this from a photo reference or imagination?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8c8Jx4edBs
was watching this, I don't really understand the idea of the ellipses
I understand in the context of a coin that if its turning away that it shows less, but how can a 3d object like what he's drawing be "turning away"? Wouldn't it still be showing a lot of side since it has 3 dimensions instead of 2?

>>4279135
>>4279144
This would be cool. I think at least you should add just a little something here and there to their designs. also, the left character has really good weight and balance, but the right girl looks like she’s about to float away. nice job though, cute style. I’d like to know more about the characters.

Been drawing for about a year now, still a mediocre drawer but willing to learn. I recently drew Rosalina a couple days ago. Any advice?

>>4279466
>>>/beg/

>>4279472
what does this thread look to you like

>>4279144
>>4279135
>>4279451
Thank you both! I'll be sure to add a little more to their designs. I really like the cape/half poncho idea! I'll hash out some more ideas about the characters.

>>4279448
take your left hand and point your index finger to the left. hold that up in front of your face. now slowly turn your finger to point at your face and see what happens to the side of your finger from your perspective.

>>4279425
and now?, looks more vivid?

>>4279511
It should all be cell shaded.

Also you need a beach towel and umbrella.

Also make it a party! He won first place! Good birb

>>4279511
yeah it definitely looks better. dont be afraid to push your shadows a bit. and you can leave the airbrush just for the background. also remember that the shadow needs to have a hard edge and a darker value close to the object it casts, because without it the objects looks like its floating - and the seagull does look like its floating a bit.
the highlights on the ribbon look a bit mechanical ( i mean these 2 diagonal lines).
the highlight/shading on that thing in the left upper corner still looks airbrushed in a not good sense of the word, at least use a cool color instead of black in the shadow.
also maybe limit the color palette a bit? make the reds cooler or the blues warmer?

>>4278583

what kind of tablet? screen? you can adjust it so it faces you and draw like a traditional painter or buy those glove. for me I just have a soft cloth on the side for the occasional wiping of the shit my body produce.

screenless? I just rest my palm on it and draw while looking at the screen. been using wacom for a couple of years and been resting my hand/palm on it for about the same amount of time. it's pretty sturdy and I have a heavy ass hand.

>>4279126

just tell them to read the sticky. if they cant even do that you're just wasting your time.

>>4279403
Yeah I didn't know how to draw full lips without the use of shading\coloring. Will practice it more.

>>4279439
It's from a reference.
Yeah I can see it, I think I failed to convey the perspectives properly.
Pic related is what I was going for.
Thanks anon.

>>4279209

it's about understanding values,forms,light. smudging your drawing ain't gonna help shit unless you understand the basic fundamentals. Base on your drawing you are far from this level.

>>4279311
Hard to say the cause then. Try letting it dry much longer before erasing. Maybe a kneaded eraser to lift the Mark's rather than scrubbing. At the end of the day, may just be that the type of ink on the type of paper is smudgey.
When I use the pentel pocket brush on copy paper I dont really have any smudging issues.

>>4279531
i highly disagree because application of charcoal limits certain outcomes based on skill regarding the tool

>>4278563
Same guy who drew the plane lady the other day here. I picked up a nice big sketchpad and some pencils and have gona back to studying basic forms in perspective since Micheal Hamptons book uses a lot of it. Not ar home right now so can't post but I will when I get back. For now I have a shitty low res pic of something else I drew awhile back, I know it's sub-/beg/ tier but I just want to get used to having people look at my stuff

Are there any online courses worth taking or are they all scams?

>>4279558
they arent worth it unless is something specific

I started loomis fwap. Am i doing the construction correctly?

Any critique? First time drawing a guy and getting anywhere past a sketch

>>4279577
love the colors and line work. the only thing I would change are how the feet are positioned, maybe move his left foot more towards the viewer. because of how his leg is positioned it shouldn’t be further back from the right one, or at least not that much.

>>4279584
Thanks a lot for the input, anon. I'll make sure not to overdo perspective when it doesn't make as much sense with the positioning next time. Good advice.

>>4279502
ya but since the images aren't moving on the paper, wouldn't all the ellipses be the same throughout the image?

>>4279118
Any PDFs of dinotopia?

Is there any glaring problem with this face? I just started a week ago and would rather learn how to fix it now then a couple months later.

>>4279608
everything, use a ref next time

>>4278563

>>4279577
Good choice in waifu

>>4279574
wow these are really good ngl

>>4279593
Idk. I just bought the first one. No scanner so it's not coming from me.

>>4279608
Yes you're not using construction. That's why it looks flat. You always have to think in 3d. Eyes are spheres and faces are symmetrical and follow some anatomy. Even in anime. It's just about manipulating proportions.

>>4278570
Redrawing the same thing over and over is a very slow way to improve and a pretty fast way to burn yourself out
You should practice different things and keep one or two you want to redraw tomorrow. If you give it another go tomorrow you will nottice your mistakes, if you are constantly staring at the same sketch you dont.
Also differentiate between what you want as a study and what you want as a finished work, if you are trying to make something its ok to sketch it múltiple times, use different references and work on it for a prolonged period of time. A study is something you do then throw away because its garbage, its only meant to improve your skills not to be seen by other people, its a bad idea to get hang up on them.
The first profesor i ever had uses to make is work really hard on our studys, then he would take a look at them and throw them all over the table. You could dig it out of the pile of you wanted but that would be missing the point

>>4278574
Asuka poster this looks quite nice. I was harsh on you the other day but I like this. Reminds me of the little mermaid.

>>4278563
What can I do to improve my art for Fluffybooru?

>>4279209
You can't learn to shade on a face. You gotta learn to shade on basic shapes. Perfect the shadows on cones and spheres and stuff. Then faces will be intuitive.

>>4279652
i'm sorry, i think you guys are misunderstanding
i can't shade properly (namely, *consistently* get 4+ colors of gray) with my fingertip or a papertowel, so i think that means i need to learn how to use a blending stump, no?

>>4279609
Noted

>>4279633
Thank you for the pointer!

hi zelda person from last thread i redrew link and epona. does he look better this time? more. how you say. Dynamic? Im finding it really hard to do dynamic things in this pose but i think it looks better this time. the real question is does 4ch? should i change it again.

>>4279667
just use a fucking ref

>>4278563
ok so i'm trying to figure out pelvis and how the legs connect to them but i seem to be be hitting a wall of sorts does anyone here have any good tips about understanding the form of the pelvis?

>>4279523
Maybe, but I enjoy it kinda. The "How to study" part is what I enjoy the most.

>>4279251
I went kinda mad and burned them all lol

>>4279672
anatomy for sculptors and some refs of real people like ballerinas

>>4279670
i Did use a fucking ref. not the exact same as the pose im going for though im trying my best here i just want feedback.

>>4279687
It’s better than last time Anon!

>>4279688
thank you. but also maybe not. im afraid of compliments on 4ch for good reason.

>>4278563
Does the skin look good? I know the hair is shit, it's a work in progress and I think I finally understand how to digitally color skin

>>4279703
you sound mentally ill. perhaps a trans?

>>4279708
nice guess but i am very comfortable with my sex :)

>>4279544
>i highly disagree

doesn't matter what you think anon. you can't do it until you understand the basics.

how do i do this

>>4279687
you drew a midget and is physically impossible to touch that horse ass without bending back.

loomis

>>4279723

>>4279725
This anon is right. His ass is too high and his legs don't sway like when youre on a horse.

>>4279728
just drawing from references for fun bro, the stuff before was even worse. I enjoy having somewhere to post shit and occasionally get feedback.


Have you had fun with your pencil recently?

>>4279731
Post references please, i want some of that el goblino porn

>>4279723
that thing on the far right looks like it could have been taken stright out of attack on titan

>>4279705
ik my anatomy is fucked, but can anyone critique my drawing?

>>4279732

>>4279735
You have color variation, but you don't have any shadows so no matter how much you put into it, it won't pop. You don't have any hard lines, so your shadows have to take the place of them.

>>4279739
ok ty, ill add some shadows

>>4279667
>>4279730
so. bad reference? i have never ridden a horse i dont even know what a horse is so that probably explains a lot of it. from last thread i was trying to draw him looking at goat but some anon said "what he looking at" and another said make him face forward so idk what im doing man. thanks for the criticism though i appreciate it.

>>4279735
yeah agree with last anon. you need to darken your values and add different hues where needed. at least redness in the cheeks, maybe some bluish and desaturated hues in the darkest shadows? use a reference

>>4279737
>that pit hair on the one on the right

>>4279743
Good reference, heres one I found with more what I was thinking. White people tend to be so stiff when doing shit. You'd think that link would be a little more fluid and native about it.

>>4279747
>>4279732
I know my drawing made it worse, but it was just such a contorted pose and she looked so Frankenstein Morticia Adams I needed to draw it.

>>4279748
haha white people. makes sense, thank you very much.

folds practice...no ref but i'm going for a rick owens translucent fabric look, does it read okay?

>>4279667
people on a horse are supposed to be bean shaped. you're told to tilt your pelvis forward and keep your waist taught but tucked back a bit.

>>4279766
ah so like bent forward a bit? ok maybe i should just change the pose that will probably be easier on me

here's a sketch of Spy

>>4279773
His jacket lapels are all fucked.

I did some gesture and then put some simple forms construction i don't have any anatomy knowledge yet so i don't think i will push this any further.

>>4279787
head should be shorter or tilted down, and what's up with the left knee--just draw a kneecap

Goddamn, I suck. I clearly need to spend time on the very basics but I like drawing people.
Drawing basic shapes is unsatisfying but goddamn I need to do it and just push through the lack of motivation.

>>4279797
yikes

I've been following advice (3d shapes)

I also traced an image and then tried to redraw it while referencing it.

i forgot the eyebrows. anything else?

I can only draw from reference. If I try to draw a person from memory it looks terrible and I know something's wrong but can't fix it until I find a reference with a similar pose and fix it immediately. Do I just have to practice more?

>>4279797
You suck is an understatement, you lack what it takes to be an artist and should stop wasting your time and ours.

>>4279800
Learn shading and how to draw hair and clothes and nose

>>4279805
why are you being so harsh? arent we all here to try to git gud?

>>4279805
Nice projecting anon, i bet your a real amazing artist and not a salty cunt

>>4279724
Are you trying to do gesture?

>>4279805
What was the post that made you seethe this much?
>>4279804
Loomis

>>4279816
trying but i am confused about how i am supposed to learn this.
it feels like i am just scribbling

>>4279723

>>4279800
Where did you apply 3d shapes in this drawing?

>>4279834
Learn shading before you become a wikihow artist

>>4279840
will do senpai

>>4279800
dios mio

>>4279723
You lack basic observational drawing skills, your line quality is pretty much non-existant and you're symbol drawing.
Go to the sticky and pick up literally any book that is recommended there.
Go to youtube and search for visual measuring and watch practically anything that comes up.
Watch:
https://youtu.be/9BqD38TQGjo
https://youtu.be/x4Kb7ycp7OY
https://youtu.be/zZ0lz7W0CYs
For line quality general rule of thumb, simpler lines are usually better than complex ones and you should be spending more time on thinking about where to put your lines than actually putting them down.

>>4279724
The core tenants of gesture are flow, rythm, motion, simplification, exaggeration. Structure and form are secondary.
Watch:
https://youtu.be/aOtVUHgJqQk
https://youtu.be/pa_2rL1K1mg
https://youtu.be/zFP8L4OUL2E
https://youtu.be/SvB3bnj63oc
Try to pick up the Vilppu drawing manual, found it the most helpfull personally, shouldn't be to hard to find the pdf floating about /ic/

>>4279797
Work on your observation skills. Measuring, angles and proportions.
It's fine doing something you're trying to practice, in relation to things you like to draw.

>>4279163
>It's too procedural made of perfect circles and curves.
it has nothing to do with any of that, the actual problem is the proportions are terrible, pic related is the same thing but better proportions.

>>4278959
study the source material, different artists, and then deviate, don't reinvent the wheel.

>>4279818

>>4279834

>>4279933
I now realize the ground shadow makes no sense. It should be more under her. Oh well. Suppose I’m learning.

embarrassed to ask but how do you come up with stuff to draw and keep that in your head long enough to draw?

>>4279943
Write it down.

I am so lost when it comes to coloring/shading (rendering?). Right now I am using a normal Photoshop brush with the opacity pressure thing. What am I doing wrong and why does it look so awful?

>used to practice routinely but I got burned out because I wasn't having fun with drawing
>don't have fun with drawing because I'm terrible and I need practice

This feels miserable, what do I do

Realised after using half the page for a single wing it might not fit. Also my reference drew each wing with a different anatomy, but I’ll stick to it because it’s kinda funny. And yes the head looks fucked, the reference had it at a complete different angle so I had to make up what it’d look like.

>>4279969
blog?

>>4279969
Oh you like it, thank you

https://www.instagram.com/afoch_design/

>>4279966
Head fixed somewhat I guess

>>4278574
Been following you and I genuinely believe you made a good amount of gains in such a short amount of time. Please continue to strive for more and good luck!

>>4279136
>Hey man lemme try and steer you in the right direction.
>Look up deliberate practice. There is a lot you can start with so honestly whatever piques your interest isn't a bad start. The best way to practice is in a way that doesn't burn you out. So if you wanna do gestures, do a bunch then draw something fun. Beginners also commonly avoid projects. In short, study, do something fun, MAKE A PROJECT. Remember: Finished, not perfect. Projects give you more experience than any type of studying.

A fun idea for a project I had in mind was making visual novels considering they can be about anything and give me plenty of subjects to practice.

In process of refining and stylizing. And attempting to be better at drawing.

i practiced drawing without reference this time
but it takes too much time to draw single figure
what should i do?

>>4280135
>"I practiced drawing without reference"
>"takes too much time to draw single figure"

For the time being, that's okay anon. As you begin to work more without ref, you'll start producing figures with much more ease and less time consumption. It's just a matter of developing a natural sense of body/ feature placement, as well as a visual library of different poses.

As for your drawing, it's pretty solid, you might want to consider line weight and simplifyng the hands, though. Other than that, good job and good luck!

>>4279743
bad reference?
Good reference.

>>4279295

>>4280058
Feels like Toguro and King from OPM smashed together. I like it.

Got bored of grinding cubes so drew another figure.

>>4280171
Why does the head look like Shaggy. Feels pretty good, but the hands need to be more grippy.

>>4280173
kek

>>4280173
It's the chin. I dunno what to do there and retried it so many times to look more feminine but never got it right.

Grippy looking hands was also the main reason why I did this pose because I wanted to try drawing them like pic related but never got it to look right. The fingers would always look like they were resting on the butt rather than gripping on it.

How can i improve my current imagination drawing?

>>4280227
These are fun. Do you have anymore of these? I recognize this artist but I don't know the name.

Aight so I'm pretty new to drawing, i checked out the sticky, i bought a couple of the books. I'm halfway through reading this Drawing With The Right Side of Your Brain book or whatever the fuck its called and I gotta ask, did you fuckers prank me?

Am I being rused here?

Its literally just some nutbag banging on about psuedoscientific bullshit for page after page after page.

Legitimately asking, does it actually go anywhere? I'm halfway through the book and so far the only thing I've taken away from it is the upside down drawing thing, which actually was useful.

>>4279800
It seems to look very bad, but if you refine it, should look ok, starting from the eyes, the face and neck, then hair and finally the leg.

>>4280278
Stop watching hentai

>>4280304
Shut the fuck up little bitch

>>4280326
Kill yourself faggot

>>4280304
My advice, just draw, JUST DO IT.
and post it here, even if it's awful.

>>4275725
Not my best drawing but I tried to draw this as fast as I can (sub 1 hour), Looks nothing like the reference I used but I've been thinking...

When referring from a reference, how do I stop myself from accidentally tracing/copying the image?

I can't tell if I'm using my own Imagination or I'm just ripping off an image anymore.

Any Tips?

another day. let's fucking go!

>>4280304
Have you actually drawn anything?

>>4279678
That's sad to hear, do you atleast have a scribble to show off?

>>4280341
yes

>>4280339
based 5%-er

not necessarily a beginner but im getting back into drawing after a while i guess. how would i go about making this more interesting? and what about backgrounds rather than just white? thanks in advance!

not necessarily a beginner but im getting back into drawing after a while i guess. how would i go about making this more interesting? and what about backgrounds rather than just white? thanks in advance!(forgot pic last time sorry)

I'm reading through Peter Hans Dynamic Bible and I was wondering about these beginning exercises, are they meant just for warmup, or something I should consistently focus on all the time?
Stuff like the form intersections, hatching etc

>>4280410
Try something, literally anything. Make a pose put a background. Literally anything, it's just flat dead center of the page.

>>4280415
as a total beginner you're supposed to spend some time on them, like dont do them mindlessly but try to understand what youre doing. once you feel like you've figured it out, they're supposed to be a form of warmup. but dont sweat it, if an exercise annoys you dont do it. all of these exercises main purpose is to learn to draw with dynamic lines instead of scratching and keeping a mindful approach to drawing textures instead of just drawing a bunch of small lines. if you understand these principles you can move on. check peter's twitch to see it in action

>>4280415
Yes. They are warm ups. Imo he goes overboard with them the first week making the the focus of the whole first week. I am sure he has a reason for doing the class like that. But if you're not actually taking the class just do the line/box exercises for 5-10 minutes a day. Many different instructors do similar thing (for example in Scott Robertson's How to draw). Ellipses,lines, boxes hatching and other such things are all great warm ups. Also do gesture warm up.

>>4280351
Nah I didn't think it was very good. It's like a cleansing to me. Although I plan on doing portraits of WWII Leaders and then JFk.

>>4280459
just wanna say thank you critique anon. You are the hero we deserve.

>>4280462
No problem, I try to answer the ones that don't get responses.

>>4280442
>>4280444
Thanks, it wasn't really well explained in the book so I figured I'd check to see if I was missing something.
Finally going to try and get around to actually doing these type of form exercises as I have major problems with manipulating 3d shapes if I'm not thinking about it actively.

>use gesture book
>think I understand gesture okay
>open anatomy book
>everything is stiff as stone again
should I just be drawing references using what I learned in the gesture book and then drawing anatomy on top of them?

>>4279800
Hey dude, just did little changes, I hope you can improve by considering them

>>4280495
It depends on the emphasis you want to make, you don't need to make super flexible/perspective looking shapes if they are not consistent.

>>4280495
Don't bother with anatomy so much. The focus should always be the gesture and how cool/interesting your poses are. Let me be clear that I am not saying anatomy isn't important, just that gesture is way more important. Same with perspective, you could literally just learn 1&2 point perspective and make very good art. With the figure if your proportions are correct and you know your major landmarks your golden.

>>4280495
you dont know anatomy lmao

>>4279800
Fucking hell, it's you again. Did you even read Keys to Drawing like I asked you to?

>>4280502
>>4280505
I guess I won't worry about the stiffness while I'm still learning which muscle connects where.
>>4280508
Yeah that's why I wanted the book.

>>4280514
That's literally the opposite of what I said. Don't sacrifice the gesture for the anatomy. The anatomy serves the gesture, not the way around. Why are you so fixated on the anatomy? If you're drawing a figure just touch your self to figure out where connects to what. Don't stop focusing on gesture.

An anon told me to use construction so I’ve been practicing it. Am i on the right track?

>>4280544
I guess I misread it as what I wanted to read. It's tough to know what I should use this book for if it's not meant for copying and I'm not good enough to apply it to things drawn from imagination.
Anyway posting all this without posting work is pointless so I'll shut up and draw for a bit.

help its horse bitch again im having a damn hard time im too dumb ass to understand anything. im trying to break this reference down but goddamn i dont know where the ass go. anons said too high but is it? Help???

>>4280546
you're asking for critique on your construction but you erased all your construction, or it's not drawn heavy enough to see

>>4280546
face too long. how have you been using construction? loomis? loomis applies to anime too. references are your best friend.

>>4280546
Do it again, but this time, use HB pen, dont apply too much pressure, except for the final, more clean lines.

>>4280558
I realize now that its not possible for people to judge construction after erasing the lines, forgive my lack of braincells.
>>4280559
I used it for the perspective, everywhere i looked for manga construction it showed me basically what i ended up using. Also is loomis in a book of just a method of construction?

>>4280546
>4280546

>>4280566
I actually used an hb pen for that one lol, but basically make my lines thin and clean is what you want me to do right?

>>4280546
Good that you are practicing. That's the right thing to do. You shouldn't be drawing stylized faces when you are just starting out. Learn from observation. Learn head drawing techniques, learn anything you can and apply it with your best efforts. I am not saying to not draw anime, it's fun. But when you are learning it is better to draw more realistic faces. Occasionally draw some anime, for example after practice for a couple weeks draw one or two anime faces for fun. Learn to form and and basic perspective to draw different things Draw at your desk everday and carry a small sketchbook and draw whenever you have time.

>>4280556
A combination of her being skinny fat and sitting awkwardly on the horse makes it extra hard to figure out what's going on. Use a better reference.

>>4280574
Thank you for showing me this its very helpful!
, i truly have a long way to go LOL.

>>4280576
Thanks for the advice! Will do

Am I doomed?

How is my perspective so far?

>>4280593
you already made it, gib blog and patreon

>>4280593
you could easily be the next tkmiz or however you spell his name with some more practice

>>4280596
looks good to me. is that a life drawing or photo ref or what?

>>4280593
his brain is huge like yours

>>4280575
Yeah, first lines just do like scratching the paper, like this.
Using more pressure in things you only want to distinguish.

>>4278563
>>4279612
Tried another

>>4280593
would unironically be cute if you reduced the chicken scratching and connected her head to her body properly

>>4280593
Let's see how you can color her

>>4279118
Finished, not perfect. First time watercoloring. Need to work on edge control a bit more and the colors on the arm are fucked.

>>4280617
that looks pretty dope anon

How do I be more accepting of my current skill level?

Every time I draw and look at it I am disgusted and wonder why my hand and brain doesn't move the way I want it to. I know it's a matter of practice practice practice but progress is slow and I'm starting to get fed up guys pls help.

>>4280624
Post some of your art.

>>4280624
THE GAP IS REAL AND ITS OKAY.
https://vimeo.com/85040589

>>4280617
im pretty jelly anon, its darn good

>>4280620
Thanks, was really inspired seeing this guy's>>4239892 paintings.

>>4280624
Just keep reminding yourself that this level is temporary. 4chan cant fix your mindset. Make sure you note and learn from your mistakes.

>>4280617
Here's a good video on edge control. Hope it helps.
https://youtu.be/JkXM2sGyon0

>>4280596
pretty bad anon, these should all converge to a single point (assuming the desk and laptop is at a right angle to the wall)

>>4280654
Lol i watched that posted in the other thread. Thanks. I have a bit to go just getting used to the medium.

how's the anatomy? I'm mostly iffy on the legs.

>>4280556
Her crotch is not where you think it is.
Horses have a dip in their back close to the shoulders, and you're not seeing it because of foreshortening.
Soft things (the fatty and fleshy parts of the butt and thighs) will deform to fit the shape of hard things (the ribcage of a horse).

>>4280660
The arms look too muscular/big in comparison with the body, as well as the back, i mean i'ts good, but is that what are you trying to accomplish? or you want to make her more female/cute?

>>4280596
The second anon is right this is off in all sorts of ways I'm afraid.

>>4280410
Well not to be an ass but that's most definitely at lower /beg/ level.
To answer the actual question though what's needed to really make it more interesting/appealing lies far more in basic drawing fundamentals rather then adding more bells and whistles at this point and rather then worrying about backgrounds I'd recommend looking into some of the basics as outlined in the sticky.

>>4280660
>eye stickers

yuck

Is Loomis FWAP worth the pain and time? I need more willpower to draw all these old comic men with receding hairlines than waking up, working out and doing chores combined.

I'm still pretty much at the beginning but skipping through the book it seems like its 75% of that comic style I dislike. Also having only 1 to 1 1/2 hours per day for this feels like it's going to take a few months.

>>4280691
alright, thanks. I was referencing off a female bodybuilder, but cuteness in regards to female muscularity is subjective I suppose.
>>4280702
you're saying the eyes aren't 3d enough right? That's kinda what I was going for.

>>4280660
i like it. it makes my chinchin zettai ni takai af.

>>4280708
Well first, you aren't having fun with your pencil, so you are missing the whole point. But if you know how to shape the head, skip to the section about beautiful women.

>>4279763
The way the fabric is bunching at the bottom of the dress doesn't make sense, likewise with the wrists. Fabric won't bunch like that unless there's something to hold it in place (another object, a hem, etc.)

>>4280708
if you dont like a book dont use it, draw what you enjoy. forcing yourself wont work. theres a ton of books about perspective/gesture/construction and one of them will match your taste for sure. practice by drawing women, animals, whatever, once you get the basics you will be able to draw old comic men as well. i think fwap is pretty boring and outdated, in the sense that nobody really uses this style anymore.

>>4280710
>is subjective I suppose
yeah but you gotta be consistent with the body

>>4280718
alright, thanks for your feedback. I'll work on those proportions.

Struggling to daw decent and apealing hands

>>4280752
take a picture of your hands in 20 different poses and draw each

>>4280688
OK thank you so much this helped A Lot.

>>4280752

>>4280655
Just converging is enough, unless you're going to be an architect you really don't need to make sure they all are 100% accurate, they just have to converge enough to look right.

You guys ever just feel like you're throwing your life away?
I spent about 3 hours on a drawing, redoing it multiple times because I couldn't get it to look right and finally gave up on it.
Fuck me this is frustrating.

>>4280774
you need 10,000 hours of practice

>>4280774
if you are getting frustrated you're doing it right, just don't give up

>>4280776
That's for mastery, just getting good enough for it to stop being frustrating takes a lot less.

>>4280774
Depends on the reason why you're drawing. If it's your hobby, then spending 3 hours on it is not a big deal. If you're are professional or plan on becoming one, then it is expected to spend a lot of time and energy improving your skill.

>>4280774
I failed the bar exam
I got fired from my job
The only girl I loved left me long ago and got remarried
All my friends moved away
I have no discernible skill in anything
I'm a drunk
I chain smoke
I got fat again
My life is a joke. Of course I feel like throwing my life away. Every fucking day.

>>4280782
I know that feel.
We're all gonna make it brah, so hang in there.

>>4280782
gonna fast for 30 days myself to lose weight

Head came out too small yet again, other than that I'm pretty satisfied with this drawing and will put it on hold until I learn how to shade and color.

>>4280780
Honestly the line between "Mastery" and enjoyability might not be that far apart for most people here and that's not even a grandmaster level of mastery and closer to entry level professional.

>>4280782

>>4280797
That's sweet.

Is loomis supposed to be hard to learn? I understand it’s gonna take a while to master but ive been trying to practice it for the last 2 hours and i feel like i havent made any progress

>>4280807
Which book?

>>4280782
i started getting frustrated about my weight this year so all i did is stop eating dinner. i still eat cereal with banana and coffee for breakfast. i still have a sandwich and chips or burrito or whatever for lunch, and then i just starve for dinner. occassionally ill have a few baby carrots or something but usually not. it works. people try to get all fucking clever about their diets. i think if you are never enjoying your food youre gonna give up because its too hard. and like... its too hard to be hungry at work. i cant really cut back on breakfast and lunch. but when i get home, fuck it. i dont need extra energy. all this means is less dishes to watch and more time drawing. gl anon

>>4280811
Have only been going off internet tuorials so far, should i use a book instead?

>>4280807
Keep some of your drawings and look back on them every 3 or 4 days,
It's the only way to really notice progress since most of it is going to be so subtle that you won't be able to tell in real time.

>>4280816
cutting calories by half plays an unknowable game with your hormones and sometimes metabolism

>>4280789
i could be wrong because i havent seen the ref but im guessing the problem is that youre not foreshortening her forehead. i would think from this angle her head would be tilted back so her forehead would be smaller and we'd see less of the hair on top of her head and more of her chin and underside of nose, brow etc.

>>4280818
Probably, but you also might need to start somewhere else before Loomis depending on what you're struggling with

>>4280820
>half of an unknown quantity is bad.

you have no idea how many calories i was eating to begin with. half of exactly how many calories effects your hormones negatively? what in the fuck are you talking about, Dr. Stupid?

How would you advise someone gaining weight to lose it without cutting any?

What exactly is inside of your skull since it obviously isn't a brain?

>>4280827
whew someone got booty-blasted

Should I first learn the bones or the muscles?

>>4280831
Learn the bones, then you can simply "hang" the muscles on them.
Once you know the bones the muscles will be easy since all you need to know is the origin and insertion.

>>4280782
Your world is a joke because you're living as a jester.
Take control of your life anon.

>>4280820
Retarded.

>>4280782
>>4280816
just work out, diets are gay

>>4280838
You know fat people gain weight lost back the fastest? I wonder why... Kill yourself, smoothbrain.

>>4280827
>>4280827
Cereal + burrito, gee whiz, I wonder what that could be... doesn't take a genius to figure out that's no where near 2000 calories.
Either fast completely or limit your weight loss to 1% of your total weight per week.

>>4280807
Generally speaking everything that has to do with learning art is hard to learn and a long process. You'll make some pretty significant progress in your first few weeks because learning how to draw a basic volume for example is going to be a massive step up from a stick figure but after those initial gains you're generally going to be measuring in weeks/months and not in hours.

>>4280842
>You know fat people gain weight lost back the fastest?
Because they spent their entire life stuffing their fat face? It's much harder to change behaviour than lose weight.

>>4280839
Eating less is going to lose weight a lot faster than eating the same but working out.
Not to mention most people start eating more per day when they start working out so they still won't lose any weight.
Think about it, instead of doing 30 minutes of cardio, you could also simply eat 1 less potato.

>>4280842
nice pivot. must be all that lard in your skull.

>>4280820
cico dumbass

we /fit/ now

>>4280852
No, you dumbfuck.
Fucking with your hormones results in greater hunger with greater food intake.
Fucking with your metabolism means increased weight gain with fewer calories.
Both of these are a result of poor calorie deficit diets.
Try reading someday.

>>4280855
non-argument, simpleton

>>4280853
I'm talking about strength training, cardio doesn't do shit. You'll get a boost to your metabolism which will help you slim down passively and at least you'll gain some muscle in addition to fat if you're eating at a surplus.

>>4280860
I would love to read about how being on a calorie deficit break the laws of thermodynamics, you stupid cunt.

>>4280834
>>4280797
Thanks anons.

>>4280859
SQUATS N OATS

>>4280284
Yup.

https://www.pixivision.net/en/a/4816?utm_source=www.pixiv.net&utm_campaign=vision_headline&utm_medium=grid&utm_content=837

>>4280718
Is this any better? I did try to make the arms smaller and give the back more definition.

new

>>4280907
>>4280907

>>4280789
How do you get your lines to look like that?

>>4280655
Appreciate it, I'll look into fixing that.

>>4280878
Nice, thank you.

>>4279835
head and neck

>>4280509
millions of ppl recommend millions of different books. what makes yours so special?

>>4279135
>>4279478
Reminds me of The Miskatonic. Keep going sister anon, you'll make it.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/870290/The_Miskatonic/

Are there any good resources on how to colour your drawings with pencils? I've got a set of prismacolors but whenever I use them it all comes out looking scratchy and trash. I know I must be fucking something up but I just dunno what

I'm 24 years year old and when I was 18 I spent a whole year (yes a whole year) drawing 5-10 hours consistently a day, following guides in the sticky and helpful tutorials on YouTube. Now that I have the itch to pick it back up, I've noticed my skill level has severely disintegrated. Is my dream of drawing high quality porn a lost cause? Not trolling, wish I was lol

>>4283560
post work before and after and i'll tell you

How do I colour my drawings uniform? It always looks like pic related. It looks bumpy. How do I get rid of all the white spots?