/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Can I get some help? I keep making the mistake of getting into a drawing I want to finish without seriously studying construction and anatomy, the only thing I've spent time with is perspective and that's something most drawing programs do for me. I ordered a big sketchpad and some charcoal pencils so I can actually do some traditional drawing since digital is probably teaching me bad habits. I've read Hamptons Figure drawing book but haven't actually applied it past basic construction, which even then I fuck up pretty hard. I just want some pointers for this one and some advice as to how I should study anatomy going forward. Any help?

>>4269976
that looks terrible, baby hands and bad anatomy all over the place

>>4269978
I made the mistake of hanging around coomer artists who never bothered to critique my art past design choices, so I haven't been able to get a good perspective of where I'm at, so hearing this is a good thing. I want to get better but I think that I'm holding myself back by not posting my shit to places that aren't discords with aforementioned friends.

What perspective are drawings usually in?

>>4269978
Genius level critque

>>4269997
Just get into sculpture instead.

>>4269976
Try just studying one piece of the body at once. Hands one week, legs the next. Rudimentary to learn the muscle and skeletal structure, remember to break it down into basic shapes or just lines. Take it slow but consistent and repetitive. Just like using a metronome for music, think of it for drawing

Very new to this. Critique welcome

How does this look?

>>4270003
Thanks, how long do you think I should be studying per day? I know that one infographic with all of the books says to do it 4 hours a day, but I assume it should be as much as possible.

I thought I was a beginner but this thread has idiots even more clueless than me. Time to move on, I guess.

>>4270045
Existence of people even less capable than you doesn't make you a non-beginner. In fact, it has no influence on your skill level whatsoever.

>>4270053
I just can't relate to anyone here and I'll get nothing useful by being here. Actually, I think most beginners here don't get anything helpful out of posting here. It's just a cesspit of people misguiding or ignoring each other. I was told to get out a bunch of times already. I don't think they were wrong even if I was worse.

>>4270022
Looks very stiff and flat.
You drew the cheeckbone but forgot about the brow ridge.
The head proportions are a bit off.
The mouth looks weird. If you look at the muscle (orbicularis oris), it should be more portruding and is kind of barrel shaped from right below the nose to just above the chin.
Really your biggest issue is symbol drawing and not thinking in terms of 3d placements.

If you've just started out it isn't too bad, but try to copy from reference before trying to do stuff from imagination.

>>4270075
Thanks for the advice anon, I've got a lot to work on

>>4270001
>Cabinet
>Dimetric
>Trimetric
>Military
>Cavalier
The fuck are any of these

>>4270099
There's literally pictures of all of them.

>>4270044
Optimum rest is good too, you dont want to fuck up your hands. Practise proper posture and 4 hours is more than enough if you're studying properly.

>>4270099
Things to avoid for the most part

>>4270030
The design is pretty good. Although a few criticism. The nose bridge should be more narrow to assume the curve towards the brow ridge more accurately. Also the boobs is not very accurate. It looks like it's pushed to the side judging by the shadow from the plates and the stretching of the patterns. The shading makes her arms look like cardboard. Give more impression of a curve. Be braver with the shadows. Darker and bigger.

>>4270030
Good job for a start most of the positioning of the face parts is fine although I would move the mouth up slightly. The nose looks a bit unnatural, noses are hard I would suggest you either study them or make it less detailed. I would also study lips a bit too just to get the basic form less artificial. The stars on teh arm are flat and straight, this is generally a bad rule of thumb, the are is a cylinder meaning a round surface there are very few angle occasions where are round surface appears perfectly straight. In fact I would suggest no using completely straight line in general when you know the object is not flat.

Use your light sources more, I can see a highlight on the nose and the eye but nowhere else. If you pay attention on your light sources on that you will make your picture look better overall. I skipped higflight on the boobs and the chainmail but that needs one too since metal is a reflective material.

Keep it up Anon!

>>4270116
Whoa why does she look like someone from Jojo?

>>4270155
it was partially my inspiration I was trying an other style

>>4270158
I think your previous one was cute already but whatever floats your boat.

>>4270116
It wouldn't be so bad if you were only bad but this has negative appeal on top of that.

I'm bored

>>4270116
Good that you try new things Asukaposter. Keep going at it! You have improved a lot since the time I remember seeing your work first on her.

>>4270116
DERP forgot to post my crit pic with
>>4270200

>>4270197
go outside

>>4270214
I would but the weather is shit. It's supposed to be Christmas in 3 days and it's not even snowing.

>>4269902
Only from an infinitely distant viewpoint, ya dangus

>>4270001
Reminder that if you are doing anything besides 3 point or curvilinear, you're training your brain wrong on purpose, as a joke

>>4270212
Thanks man

>>4270229
How come? They teach about 1 and 2 point all the time.

>>4270116
based
keep grinding

>>4270229
What the fuck are you on, retard? 1 point and 2 points perspective is just 3 points perspective with the points infinitely far away. It happens when you face objects certain way in linear perspective. It's all teaching devices anyway. You can have as many sets of points as you need.

Critique welcome on my renderdroning attempt

some Anon told me a while ago to practice black and white values how did I do?

>>4270264
looks too smooth imo but it's not too bad

>>4270264
Like the commenter above said, it lacks hard edges. watch ctrl+paint video about edge control. it's good that you can blend well and achieve smooth surfaces, but it won't do if you don't have some hard edges to contrast them and bring out the form. hair needs a lot of work in earlier stages - start with good sketch first that will separate the hair strands and just focus on the 3d form. add values and colors only after finishing that step. lastly, this looks like a colored greyscale drawing. i know this is a controversial topic but i personally dont recommend this technique especially for beginners, it doesnt allow you to learn about color in relation to light correctly.

>>4270276
i would suggest refraining from using references like this - "selfie" type of reference is very skewed perspective wise and you can tell someone used a selfie as a ref very easily. so thats just a little bit of advice. other than that it looks ok, besides the fact that you treat hair and clothes as one big splotch of darkest value (unless its intended). the ear looks good especially to me, in overall its really good that you refrain from using black values on the skin.

>>4270276
Idk, get a better reference with a better range.

>>4270279
Do you have a link to this course on edge control? Also how did you know it was a colored grayscale painting?

>>4270001
>>4270229

Rectilinear Perspective (aka 3-point perspective): The projection of an image onto a FLAT PLANE of a FIXED SIZE that is a CERTAIN DISTANCE away from the object being rendered. This is the most common, and arguably the most technically correct type of perspective when drawing on paper or rendering 3D objects onto a screen like in games or movies. The phrase 3-point perspective is actually a misnomer. In any given scene, there are as many vanishing points as there are lines. I urge everyone reading this to abolish the terms "X-point perspectives" in their minds in regards to this perspective. Easy to draw in, and looks good.

Curvilinear Perspective: Like rectilinear but instead projected onto a CURVED SURFACE (like the back of your eyeball). This perspective is what the human eye sees in, and our brains fool us into thinking we see rectilinear. Drawing a curvilinear scene onto a flat sheet of paper is not a technically correct rendering of the scene onto the image plane, but creates an astounding effect and should be used often if the artist can understand it. Hard to draw in, looks very exaggerated.

Isometric Perspective: The projection of an image onto a FLAT PLANE of INFINITE SIZE and INFINITE DISTANCE from the objects being rendered. All parallel lines and object sizes are preserved in isometric perspective. Objects do not recede away from the camera. There is still foreshortening on rotated objects. This perspective is incredibly useful for technical drawings and for learning some of the math behind image projections. Do not write off this perspective as useless. It is usually easiest to learn this perspective first, but be wary of getting stuck on it. As you get very far away from objects in rectilinear or curvilinear perspective, their perspective distortions diminish and begin to look like isometric. Object that are light years away viewed through a very powerful telescope would look isometric. Very easy to draw in, looks flat.

>>4270311
Take my writeup with a grain of salt, I'm not an expert, just an enthusiast trying to understand these as well. There are also infinitely many types of projection systems (and very few of them produce interesting images), it just seems that the only ones we really focus on as humans are the ones we see ourselves.

Uhhhhh how do I even start doing a master study?

I've only just begun and I feel like I already fucked something up

>>4270293
Its easy to spot colored greyscale, mainly because theres no real change in hues between shade and light (i mean, i see you attempted it, but its very very slight - this needs confidence; go from cold in shadow to warm in light or opposite). dont worry, with time you will see its easily recognizable as well, you just need to traing your eyes and make them used to analyzing color. Look at picrel, theres a very drastic change in hues between light and shade.

Edge control video i mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjKKiNjvBM

>>4270322
to nie jest na tyle technicznie dobry obraz żeby w ogóle było sens robić jego studium, przynajmniej w mojej opinii. jeśli chcesz mimo tego to skończyć to proponuje od razu przerzucić się na pędzel z ostrą krawędzią i od razu operować konkretnymi plamami różnych kolorów zamiast próbować "wyrzeźbić" to z gładkiej powierzchni. plus tutaj masz opisane techniki van gogha w jego cytacie:
>"My brush stroke has no system at all," Van Gogh wrote To Emile Bernard. "I hit the canvas with irregular touches of the brush, which I leave as they are. Patches of thickly laid-on color, spots of canvas left uncovered, here and there portions that are left absolutely unfinished, repetitions, savageries;

>>4270322
>>4270341
elo

how did I do

>>4269968
I know this sucks but my idea was just to draw someone in perspective thinking about the horizon. What curves up and what curves down and how extreme those curves should be depending how far they are from the horizon and which planes have us and which gave away. My armor looks like absolute dog shit and my proportions are pretty terrible too.

>>4270476
fuck I forgot to mention that some anons mentioned before (around a month ago) on a random thread; I asked 'how should you study pictures?" and they told me that when approaching a study, you should focus on "replicating the feel of the picture" rather than a xerox copy. also they explicitly clarify to avoid the "muh style" excuse of negating fundies like anatomy.


I hope I got this down but I don't know. pls gib feedback

>>4270341
Ok, postaram sie zrobic jak napisales, bo nie chce zostawiac takiego niedokonczonego.
A ten obraz wybralem wlasnie dlatego ze nie jest dobry technicznie i chcialem cos latwego na poczatek, a poza tym lubie Van Gogha.

>>4270376
A witam

>>4270476
too blurry, don't try to blend everything together, pay attention to those edges
not too bad otherwise, next time don't skip background entirely (you should at least try to roughly match values) and pick a reference that reads better

So someone prove to me that a 25 year old can actually become good at drawing. I mean a 25 year old that draws like a child. I'm asking this because Everytime someone proves that starting late is possible they give some dumb example of someone who already had a decent starting point. Like they drew before and they stopped or they are just drawing some obsecure abstract art.

>>4270549
thanks for the feedback my friend. I'll use sharper edges next time I promise. I'm working on drawing faster with more accuracy so I won't waste time both digitally and traditionally (with pen ink/paper)

I'll do more backgrounds too than drawing small grids on where the character stands on the ground

>>4270478
Changed the back

>>4269978
>anatomy
Whay exactly is the anatomy of a helicopter person?

>>4269968
don't bully kaos

I have been sick for two days finally recovering,
So here is some gestures, i somehow feel so much better at gesture than before after taking a break from drawing.

Should I finish something even if I know it is complete shit, finish it but redo it until I fix all the problems, or should I go back and fix the problem?

Just drawing poses from random angles, I know this is fucky but I can't work out why help

When doing forshortened torsos (like an ass pic where the character is laying down is looking out at you) should I construct the hips and ribcage as well, or just the bottom view of the hips and draw the head and eyeball the visible part of the upper torso? I'm really bad with those types of poses because I can't picture what's going on construction wise.

Critique very welcome. It's one of my first attempts at painting digitally. I used to do sketches before this and I know the blending is rough. Besides that, does it hurt to look at?

Didn't use a ref

>>4270116
To me, the face if just over rendered. Bring the rest up to that and it will not look AS weird. The thumbnail looks like a photo of someone's face pasted on

>>4270805
get the fuck out of /beg/ then

>>4270768
no, go and study each problem you saw separately until you are good at it, then try to fix it, and when i say good i mean you can draw the subjet perfectly in one go.

>>4270264
You have a beautifully touch when it comes to rendering soft edges I also like the pattern you used on the hair.

You put an obvious rim light coming from the rest to light up the face, yet this light source is not showing on the nose or the mouth. It would help to put it on everywhere else to give the face more form. The right eyes is somewhat far to the left and a bit misaligned compared to the nose but I didn't want to re-render it completely because it otherwise looks good.

As >>4270279 and >>4270276 mentioned adding some more hard edges can make it more lively just adding gaps and loos strands to the hair, a more defined mouth line, eyelashes or and iris. Similarly how did the rendering on the cloth which also looks really well done.

I hope you post more!

>>4270776
is your goal to be cartoonish or painterly? For a cartoonish take on a sort of a stained class church window it works pretty well. It is flat but a window is also flat and has inconsistent lighting but that is also overlooked in stained glass art.

But if you are going for a painterly look then we need to address things further.

Anyone done the Hampton figure drawing video course?
He's talking about the connections between ribcage and pelvis, they either pinch or stretch. He describes them with an S or C curve.
I know what he means, but I have no idea how to apply it because I don't see it on models

Does anyone have some reliable environment painting brushes for photoshop?

I'm having a lot of fun doing Steve Hustons side view gestural head drawings

>>4270868
seems like a mindless grind

>>4270810
I'm not good enough for int

>>4270811
Thank you for the response!

>>4270887
no not really, it's a lot of fun to do, and it's easier for me to learn how to make gestures piece by piece than having to do it all in one go

>>4270901
>I don't want to make full body gestures because they're hard
It might be a bit intimidating, but think about it, if instead of doing this mindless head gesture bullshit 100 times, you could've done a 100 full body gestures instead and gotten more out of it.
Chances are that by the time you finish every bodypart's gesture, you're not going to understand how to put it all together.

>>4270322
That's a Van Gogh painting huh? Wow it's extremely unsettling

will sketching on a perspective grid make me better at "eyeballing" perspective or does it only make you better at drawing on grids

>>4270856
i like the pack from evenant.com, especially the rocky textures. i think darek zabrocki also has a pack

I did this one from imagination, but I'm honestly just frustrated at the fact that I shy from tackling the anatomy despite my complete lack of knowledge. I draw forms and just call it a day and it frustrates me.

I rarely use any references for "complete" sketches like these, I don't know why. Critique would be appreciated.

Any advice on how to fix these legs?

>>4271008
Longer thighs, shorter calves

So I downloaded "Drawing with the right side of the brain" and I'm wondering If I am alright just doing the exercises as the sticky says or do I stand gaining something valuable from actually reading it?

>>4271021
Also, do I need to use pencil or can I use marker or something permanent?

Thanks in advance <3

>>4270621

>Whay exactly is the anatomy of a helicopter person?

still humanoid. helicopter is just sugar on top. the base is still humanoid.

>>4271021
Get Keys to Drawing instead, personally I feel as if the books mediocre at best and Dodson is barely better then Edwards when it comes to pseudoscience but it’ll help get rid of your symbol drawing.

>>4270264

focus on drawing. I don't know what the other poster see but this is disgusting. These type of portrait is suppose to be appealing. Nothing about this is appealing.

if your drawing is trash you're going to render trash. rendering is not going to save a bad drawing unless you know how to fix shit.

>>4270901
imo these kinds of exercises are only good if you can identify what's wrong from drawing to drawing, like ellipse exercises, or loomis heads, or whatever, and then iterate and try to fix it in the next drawing.

this is just a simple gesture to represent the head when figure drawing, it's too abstract and simple for this kind of exercise. I think you're just staying in your comfort zone and not actually improving at anything like this.

>>4270116
tfw asukafag is polish
ty kurwa gnoju pewnie jestes cwelem z kara

>>4270999
well, you know your issue... get out an anatomy book and start cracking. Also, do a ton of figure drawing, quick sketches especially.

>>4271048
But it's a heoicopter

>>4270743

Some gestures

>>4270849
When you draw a figure its important to determine how the figure is balanced you do this by determining how the weight is distributed. Those lines aren't always visible on the figure but drawing them anyway when drawing the gesture helps.

So with practicing gestures how should I go about it? I was thinking about for quicker sketches just trying to capture the motion and for the longer ones I should try to build forms around them. For the more experienced artists in this thread could you tell me what you did that led to significant progress? I want to avoid just drawing to draw instead of drawing to improve, but to be honest I don't know what drawing to improve is besides correcting your mistakes (And looking at what I am capable of now, there are a lot of mistakes).

>>4271129
Until someone replies I will just continue doing Line of Action classes over and over

>>4271134
It works to be honest. Did it for a week, and felt the gains. Also realized the images repeat quite often.

>>4271137
Thank you for the reply! Back to work.

>>4271129
>I was thinking about for quicker sketches just trying to capture the motion and for the longer ones I should try to build forms around them
Thats how its typically done. You first capture the action of the figure and if you have more time you keep on adding to it.

>>4271129
I read a good amount of Hampton and started gesture drawing not too long ago and sucked when I began but definitely improved with time. I’m not amazing at gesture right now but what helped me personally improve was adding lines of asymmetry in certain areas such as the arms and certain parts of the body (lines where they lead into one another to show movement). Drawing a circle for the pelvis and a shape for the rib cage (kind of a semicircle, just look it up on his YouTube or something) then it really gave the gestures more humane features. I say you should conduct them all in a similar fashion and look at this for help as that’s what I’m doing as well as reading his book.

>>4271129

>>4271105

>>4271148
>Prokoshit

Does anyone else have other suggestions?

>>4271153
Read what I put on >>4271146

Anyone got a good source for dynamic poses for say, a comic book or manga? I got pleanty of artsy ones.

>>4270153
>>4270124
Thanks for the feedback, I see what you mean.

Any tips for improving hands, or anything else you see I should fix?

Work in progress, no ref. Feedback welcome.

>>4271261
I mean, the hands are obviously just symbols of hands

>>4271129
Update on this, did about 3 hours of gesture drawing today and I have already seen improvement. When I got bored drawing the same thing over and over I started to really pay attention to the forms of whatever I drew. I am slowly starting to understand what fits where and how certain parts influence each other. This made me really excited! Can't wait to improve more and I hope everyone else in this thread keeps on drawing to improve. Goodnight!

This is obviously not right. How do I do construction on moeshit

>>4271318
Good shit anon. If I had anything to say it’s that some of the fingers on the hands seem a bit too long

>>4271326
Unironically loomis.

Can gimp achieve professional results?

>>4271330
That's what I'm using in the first place you fuck

>>4271351
That doesn't look like Loomis though. You didn't even cross the cross or t. Not even the lopped off side parts.

Hi I tend to draw flat line drawings with not a ton of room for perspective or values, but I want to get better as an artist overall.

Is there any good way to transition my skills drawing like this creating more complete and life-like images? Or do I just kinda start from scratch with the figure drawings?

Thanks for any advice.

>>4271326
It's not exactly Loomis, but more like an abstraction of it. When I draw anime stuff, I imagine the Loomis head, then once I have the forms turned in perspective looking the way I want it in my head, I put down the stylized translation of it on paper. I'm symbol drawing, but I'm making entirely new symbols with each new head position. Everything is skewed so its structure is strong enough to look right. Maybe I'm developing bad habits but that's how I do it.

Pencils. Please ratę me

>>4271326
Link to the original, please?

>>4271354
I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking? But if I understand completely you want more realistic drawings. If so then figure drawings are the best way to go about that , check out Hampton and Loomis. As for the picture it’s nice overall

>>4269968
SOMEONE GUIDE ME TO ANIME EYES I WANT THE EASY LIFE

>>4271371
There is no easy life, Kaos is all there is.

>>4270977
Thanks anon the evenant one seems pretty good

>>4270030
Here's a before and after of what I did. It's amazing how subtle details can make or break an image. I much prefer the image on the right.

I did decide to keep the nose, because the person that asked me to draw this liked it. I do know, I need more practice with noses though, so i'll pursue that a bit.

Thanks again for the feedback
>>4270153
>>4270124

>>4271368
THanks. Sorry for not being clear.. I guess what im trying to say is; ive spent some time making lineart portraits kinda like these...but want to really make full characters and scenes and idk how to do that right now.

Was just wondering if all the work has gone to waste and I have to sort of start over?

>>4271353
Cross is needed to construct the direction of the face. Didn't need it yet. I tried putting the side circle/cross in there but I felt like I fucked up the main circle so I did the face thing to check and came here once I became completely confused.

>>4271355
Could you post an example of that? Can't visual it

>>4271363
https://twitter.com/post_it_rock?lang=en
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3387472

>>4271307
I know they’re fucked.

drew a fat /beg/fu

I have seen many artists painting shadows before drawing lines, is that a thing? am I doing drawing wrong by doing lines first?

>>4271326
jesus fuck you are garbage

I like psychedelic posters(think martin sharp) and new objectivity stuff(think Otto did) and I’ve basically been making work derivative of that to try and find my own style. How am doing, what do I need to do to improve?

>>4271326
Anime heads are basically Loomis with shorter cheeks and a pointy chin. Hair does not float on top of the head; it grows out of a hairline above the forehead.

>>4271414
This too

>>4271415
>he didn't get to the part where hair grows out so long that it basically is floating over the top of the head construction wise

>>4271415
I'm not even sure where the head circle is, much less the hairline

>>4271415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaFyhDxin0E

>>4271421
hairline is top third of loomis circle. Just review Loomis in the sticky

>>4271423
I can't tell where the circle exists on the anime girl and I can't tell if the facial thirds proportions even match up bc I have no construction reference point that I know is correct

>>4269968
is gesture drawing suppose to be fucking hard? I can't feel the form, how do I feel the form and draw simple lines???? I just copy what I see

>>4271146
>>4271434
ty for this, should've read the thread first

>>4271438
No problem. I highly recommend Hamptons book about figure drawing. He has a YouTube channel as well

I've been watching/reading peanuts for a bit now and I decided the best way to practice drawing is to draw Peanuts characters in Chareles M Schulz style (Albeit horribly) then learn how to do my own style.

Any form Critique would be nice, This is my first attempt (posting two more pics after this)

>>4271387
Honestly no your work has not gone to waste. You can keep that style as long as you want but just add figure drawing on top, you don’t have to necessarily stop. It’s also okay to try some linear portraits alone like the one shown and to just make other scenes and characters. I like your style though and I think that if you learn some figure along with what you already have with the face then you’re set.

>>4271445
Third attempt, tried to do full body and environment (I'm using krita and a tablet btw)

>>4271445
In the peanuts style the nose is aligned with the face so you got that right. But the eyes are a lot closer in that style and the mouth is not that close to the nose. Also work on your lines and how you create expressions

>>4271451
You have the right idea but you need to study how the artist structures their bodies and other things more, also don’t be afraid to use some reference

>>4271451
My most recent drawing (today).

These drawings are a few days apart but I will try to keep the habit of drawing at least once everyday.

>>4271459
I do use references and I even made my own pdf of an old Peanuts how to draw book, but I find that my lines get too big or too straight using references if you know what I mean.

>>4271097

>>4271465
Yeah I get you. From what I’m seeing with your line work you’re drawing heavily from the wrist which is why your circles are a bit sloppy. Draw from the elbow/shoulder more

Just got an apple pencil. I've been trying to work with frames and construction lines, but this dude I tried not to. Gonna go back to practicing them circles and squares.

>>4271469
Wow the elbow does change alot (wrist was a bit rushed though).

Talking about rushed art, how long should an artist draw for? till it's complete or do you set a timer.

>>4271505
Draw for however long you desire, no need to rush

>>4271505
I say you should draw from the shoulder a lot more though. Elbow just a bit and use the wrist exclusively for small/finer details

>>4269968
I didn't want to waste a thread on this subject but what pencils are best for figure drawing/anatomy practice in your opinion.

I'm currently using a Pentel Graphgear 1000 (.5mm) mechanical pencil and it feels pretty comfortable to use for the time being.

>>4271551
I use Polychromos color pencils but you can use anything really. As long as you feel good using it.

>>4271497
Here's some doodles I've been doing with the apple pencil. This is such a different experience than using the little rubber nub.

How can I achieve an avant garde art style?

>>4271572
Dude, lay down the coffee.

>>4270044
Only if your happy with drawing. It doesnt matter how many hours it is if your having fun, once it stops becoming fun and your frustrated, either take a break have a coffee/tea or use it as motivation to work harder and better. I've been playing guitar for a decade and started drawing recently, both are so similar in the learning process

Happy with this

>>4271578
It's the weekend and I'm not hungover, so today's been only about 4 cups. Weekdays are normally about 2 pots.

>>4271578
>>4271586
Oh, is that the passive way to say my lines are too jagged and it looks like my hands are shaking?

>>4271572
Stop chicken scratching from your wrist and draw from your shoulder/elbow

>>4271587
No, it's the active way to say to drink less coffee.
No need to walk around eggshells because it's obvious.

>>4271591
Ahh, being confident in my lines is hard, but yeah, I should work on it.
>>4271593
o-oh, t-thanks.

>>4271582
It's important to celebrate milestones and recognize when you've done something better than you have in the past. In a few years, if you keep studying, you're going to be glad you saved this. Today it will keep you motivated, tomorrow it will give you perspective.

That being said, if you turn it counter clockwise it looks like a fish.

>want to draw art for fun and genuine love
>/ic/ puts emphasis on followers
Is there a way to balance out both? I don't care for followers necessarily, but I feel like I really should.

>>4271610
20/80%, like everything else.

>>4271617
So can I still learn to be a better artist, whether I do it out of fun or for followers? I put a lot of time into this hobby

>>4271610
>>4271625
People place emphasis on followers because they think it's a way of making a decent buck through psuedo internet charity and actual comissions. I think people assume it's a middle ground between having full autonomy over the work you create but making no money, and working at a studio cranking out work other people tell you to create.

If you have a genuine curiosity for figuring out how things work, learning the mechanics of the human form, and understanding how the eye and mind perceive visual images, you'll learn how to be a good draftsman. If figuring out how to tell a compelling narrative, put together a great composition, and convey thought provoking ideas using images, you'll be a great visual artist. If you happen to do all that using subject matter that appeals to a wide audience, you'll be popular and get followers.

Followers help you make money and get jobs, at least that's what people assume. What they don't do is help you get joy out of the work you do, or make you a good artist. Other people give you titles, but you're the one who makes yourself deserve those titles.

>>4271625
Well I’d say learn to be a better artist but have a more genuine motivation for engaging in art. You’ll never honestly become better if you’re doing it for others

drew this a while but decide to attempt painting it in greyscale because ive never tried it before. i feel like the face might be a bit uncanny but im most worried about the figure/lighting/values

Can anyone recommend some books for flower references?

Any and all suggestions with good quality reference pictures of various flowers would be appreciated, and a few bookshelf eye candy would be nice too.

>>4270888
Anon, int is beg in denial.

i think i did pretty good without the lines and construction

>>4271684
This
/int/ is literally /beg/ except they can render better.
Their drawings are still /beg/.

Spent a bit more time refining it, actually didnt expect good advice from anons, however adding gaps in hair wasnt really possible since i painted skin and hair on the same layer. Also the lack of iris was intentional since its a fanart and the original character doesnt have them

Sorry but I can't resize on my phone

>>4271674
Work with less values before you try to blend them

fook Anons, I can't draw the face... or anything in general
Please Help

anyone have detailed tutorials like this for drawing skulls?

Been practicing for like 4 days now.
Still bad, doing exercises from the drawing on the right side of the brain book.

I know I'm weak when it comes to being able to control my pencil (motor skills disorder) but it should be fine with enough practice.

Where would I be able to get some "quick wins" in properly drawing things to be proportionate?
I've been thinking to maybe start with the details, and then to leave the outlines out so I don't mess up so much, but the idea is scary to me.
Should my drawings be less detailed with shadows etc. so I can iterate quicker? I feel like the true form does not "pop" out until it's shaded.

>>4271929
Statt with gesture then proportion then skeleton then muscle then the skin and clothes and the rest

>>4271929
But its looking very good so far, where are you getting confused with this? I thiiiiink the head is a bit too small for this body though.

>>4271975
maybe this will help anon? sorry i didnt search too much https://imgur.com/fOof1mE

>>4272003
The mouth is what's getting me rn.... Doesn't look right whatever I do

>>4272006
This Anon >>4272009
But you seemed to have fixed it...
That's a nice head

>>4271983
Why are male fingers sausages? And the nails are always so small? I've always found this hilarious.
Okay so to get the proportions right you really just have to learn how to observe. There are a few things to look for. Picrel is a list of these from Keys to Drawing. Practice until you can use all of them at the same time, this requires multitasking. Dont start with details, go from bigger to smaller. Its more important to get the right form now, you can grind detail and texture later.
As for making the drawing pop - you dont need shading, proper control of line weight will do that for you. Feng explains that pretty well here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XYoenU-0c its a long video but its very very helpful and i recommend you watch it. Ink helps a lot here (traditional or digital doesnt matter)

>>4272033
Awesome, keys to drawing was the next book on my to-do list,
Thanks for the video, I actually have a pentel brush pen in the mail.

Is this an okay way to learn a specific art style? Or should I not do any tracing and rely only on sight construction?

>>4270868
this is going to enforce bad habits in you

I tried drawing figures with shapes, and that's fine, but the refinement part eludes me. I can't turn a boxy shape into a human. Any advice? It would help a lot with perspective drawing of forms and freeform posing.

>>4272040
construction is a meme, so is tracing

>>4272040
lol

>>4270868

>>4272040
1. Use more confidence with your lines and don’t chicken scratch so much, use the wrist much less and use your elbow and shoulders more.
2. You’re getting certain things right but some wrong such as size of things and facial features. Mouth is closer to the nose as well as other things. Divide into basic shapes almost everything, hair included.

>>4270116
Is that you nosebro?

>>4272065
I don't know how many nosebros are there.. but if your talking about the guy who keeps drawing big nose than: No
I'm >>4271929

First time I painted a printed model with acrylic paint.
Now I need a way to make a smooth transparent layer and I'm in doubt about the right way to do it.
Do people use resin or varnish?

>>4272052
It's easier to use simple boxes to show the general direction and placement of the different bodyparts, then simply draw the actual bodyparts inside of the box instead of creating them from the box.

>>4272040
Style is just a way of seeing stuff. A cartoon artists sees everything as more "intense", so if someone is fat, they will draw them super round and chubby to accentuate the look. So its not something completely detached from reality, just a lense you look through. And because of that you need to focus on construction of course. I dont think you need to become davinci before attempting stylization, but proper construction is definitely the common denominator for all good art.
Dont make so many scratchy lines. Force yourself to draw as few lines as possible. Rely on your sense of dynamism. If you see a curved line, make it more curvy.
One more thing about constructing - you dont need to go all boxes and spheres on it, but once you make the contour of face for example, make the marks implicating the 3d form so that you know its a 3d form and not a flat shape. picrel the cross on her face.

>>4272077
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3p_VuPIS2c

>>4272084
Why you guys don't post helpful advice for beginners? What is the point of this shitposting?

>>4272060
>>4272082
Thanks Anons.

>>4272087
Why should I help retarded /beg/? This place is for shit posting, so I’ll shit post any time I want, faggot.

>>4272087
Don't know much about the art form, but isn't the title of the video advice?

>>4272087
Telling someone that is not thinning their paints to thin their paints is shitposting?

moron

>>4272096
>>4272092
you really can't tell if it's advice with a video like that

>>4272091
There literally are rules on this board, its not /b/ so no its not for shitposting.
picrel is a tutorial so that its not another pointless spam comment

>>4272096
>>4272092
I really couldn't tell with a video like that
but thanks anyway >>4272084

>>4272006
thanks.
I'm looking more for drawing spooky scary skellingtons rather than building skulls to build faces on top of though

>>4272102
oh my bad, sorry. give me a moment ill upload MDJ's skull anatomy tutorials to my mega

>>4272110
>>4272102
https://mega.nz/#!dUFSjAhK!ZJzluFnREcng3WuMto1NScvV5Qm5Yrxime9f7hTRVVA
here you go. i mean, he goes on to drawing the face on top of the skull eventually but i think the skull walkthrough part alone is pretty good

What's with the sudden influx of ESL speakers.

>>4272114
based.
thanks dude

>>4271466
why do I kek to this

>>4271466
too small

>>4272082
Is this any better?

>>4272137
awful. work on your measurements.

>>4272137
Your line work has improved but your anatomy and shapes need more work. Don’t be afraid to get pictures of the characters and break them up into the most simple of shapes like you would a human. Also try drawing basic shapes and making the head out of those shapes since getting hard shape right seems to be a challenge

Physical guy here, gonna make the jump to 2D computer animation to save time making cartoons, but I know nothing about computers lol. I'm picking up pic related (Wacom Intuos) because it's what they have at best buy, any recommended programs for 2D animation, like cartoons?

>>4272137
Try doing less scratchy lines, be more confident and do many times until the shapes come out right.

>>4272163
forgot pic

>>4269968
My coworker asked me to draw an alligator and a goose with a knife in its bill.

how do I even bother to deconstruct this?

>>4272203
The palm is a box and the fingers are cylinders.

>>4272203
Actually draw your own hand from an angle that's easy, then use those same shapes but from a different angle.

can you give me an example on how, I'm struggling.

>>4272141
>>4272138
>>4272165
I’m still practicing.

I wanna draw short stacks but I can never get the proportions right, anyone have any tips?

>>4272279
4 heads instead of 6.

>>4272137
im >>4272082
The drawings gained more form (=they look more 3dimensional), thats good. The lines are also way less scratchy, thats also great. Now try to work on your measurements more. This will ensure you get the proportions right. Refer to my other comment for that -> >>4272033 While you're at it, because you're attempting cartoon/heavy stylization, take look at the picture i posted here >>4272098 its very important, you can look up many videos about line of action. Its the reason so many disney characters looks so flowy and dynamic.
I see you're just beginning so dont worry, this is already some progress, keep drawing. I recommend you look at some disney reference sheets.

>>4272163
tv paint? or clip studio paint? i dont do animation but i hear good things about the animation feature (i use csp for drawing and i enjoy it a lot). also check the catalogue for animation thread, i see a lot of great stuff posted there, i dont wanna talk out of my ass about something i dont know. i've only ever done vector animation in after effects

>>4272203
This is not a very good reference (low quality - can you figure out the shape of fingers in the shadow?) but lets try
1. Always think about the perspective first. Do you see the whole object from above or below? Do you see the sides of the elements, or just the tops, bottoms? Which part is facing us and which side is turning away from us?
2. Does the form resemble boxes or spheres more? Is it organic/flowing or hard/sharp?
Try to answer before moving to the next part.

Answers:
1. We see the hand from above. We see the tops and sides of the fingers + top of the palm. The fingers are facing ("pointing" at us). So the fingers are closer to us - they are bigger - and the wrist is smaller.
2. The form resembles boxes and cones. It's not very flowy.
deconstruction in picrel
IMPORTANT: Im not sayin you need to draw a bunch of boxes to draw a hand. This is a deconstruction meant just for studying perspective, forms, etc.

>>4272301
Thanks Anon, you’ve been a lot of help. So before I do any detail at all I should do a sketch like the one I did here on the left first?

>>4272344
Whoops

>>4272344
>>4272347
Yeah I'd definitely focus on the overall form first. Of course you can add facial features or sketch the hands roughly right from the beginning, but dont go into unimportant detail like hair, clothing folds etc until you figure out the whole figure because you need to know the perspective first. Every detail needs to "submit" to that perspective. I dont like giving advice like "dont do B until you're done with A", with drawing its better to follow your instinct, but beginners tend to get too focused on scribbling some unimportant detail while the rest of the figure is completely wrong, thats what Im trying to say here. So if you want to draw the face, draw it. Just keep an eye on your clock and if you notice you've been drawing hands for last 15 minutes but there's no legs in sight, its time to draw them.
I think you should work with larger canvas or zoom in more, give your arm more movement space. Your tablet size doesnt matter. And please remember to limit the number of your lines, this is especially important in cartoons where lines need to be flowy and exaggarated. Again, more moving space will help with that. Your figures are also pretty stiff right now. Check picrel, i remember it helped me a lot when i used to draw stiff, "puffy" figures.

>>4272362
Thanks again Anon

>>4272369
np keep drawing. may i ask why you're attempting this particular cartoon style? just curious, everyone is either animu or realist here
(pic unrelated)

>>4272347
Umm dont quit your day job.

>>4272374
I just think it looks fun and playful.

>>4271417
these hands need some work. I get the whole style thing but can you draw good hands if you needed to?

I want to draw feral Pokemon porn.
Stuff like Vaporeon fucking an Eevee.
Should I still practice drawing people like the sticky says?

>>4272447
you need to pray to lord and saviour jesus christ to bring you back from your sinful ways.

just practice perspective, dynamic linework and drawing simple 3d forms. this will give you knowledge required both for drawing people and made up animals.

I'm starting to learn painting and color theory, starting with values. This was over a silhouette that i didnt fix some stuff before doing.

>>4272477
Picture didn't post

>>4272451
>>4272447
I just thought this little exchange was worthy of a screencap

I've been trying to do more studies. Is there a good place for high contrast photos to study?

>>4272477
>>4272483
I uploaded MDJ's video about values and edge control today, maybe youll find it helpful. https://mega.nz/#!1ZUEDIgJ!UwY5KIYMD2kUrH0B8vIGoutZNZzksQqdSdNYljfMtII

There's very little variation of values within your surfaces and. It's good that you refrain from using pure black and keep values mostly consistent with the light source (except the legs in the back) - big plus - but dont be afraid to expand your value range and use everything within that range. Especially the creature's head has very little value. The folds look pretty good for now.
Also remember, the closer an object is to the cast shadow, the darker the shadow is and its edge is hard. It gets lighter and softer around the edges when we move away from the object.

>>4272520
Rather than looking for pictures with a high contrast, you should be looking for pictures with a very clear value pattern - light, shadow, core shadow, reflected light. So the drawing on your left probably wasnt based on a good reference. The next 2 drawings look better reference wise, but you definitely need to learn about core shadow/reflected light. croquis cafe has good refs https://onairvideo.com/ also here;s some advice from kangaroo man http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/04/choose-good-photo-reference/

Trying to make a friendly old woman character for a thing, she looks off and I cant figure out why

>>4270322
Well, I think I'm gonna call this one done. More or less. My first ever master study. Sort of.

I'll definetly choose a more technically refined painting for the next one though.

>>4272592
Oh and the ref if anyone needs it at hand

>>4272562
Thank you, i will download the video and check it out.

I will keep in mind to have more range of values for the same surface. I have no idea of how light works with brighter spots without going out of the value range of the surface, for me it always looks "wrong" as there is different value really close to it (like you did), but then it looks flat.
i had the light coming from the back/right, and not directly from the side, i will try to simplify the position next time to make it easier to use those things and block what goes where better too, i didn't this time.
I will make more notes using yours as reference.
Thanks!

redoing this based on some feedback i got.

>>4272562
Hey man, how many of mdj's video do you have and are you willing to share more?

>>4272675
I have clothing folds, anatomy bundle 1 and the value/edges video, nothing more. You can find all of them in the current video thread. There's also animal bundle on cgpeers, if you want it tell me and i can upload it tomorrow

deconstructing

can i be an animechad if i do this to learn?

>>4272680
Not that anon, but is it true the clothing folds one is so logical that you basically don't need to guess ever again?

>>4272687
Yeah it is pretty throughout. I didnt really use any other tutorials since I watched that one. Of course not everything works for everyone so check for yourself. https://mega.nz/#F!itERhK6C!1QSdHHgn-_6AVkkmDTYqMg

https://imgur.com/a/eNeXn9F lineweight is really hard with fineliner

>>4272680
Ok thanks. If you're this anon >>4272370 then I'll be looking forward to the anatomy bundle.

>>4272700
Oh shit it was already posted. nvm then.
>>4272434

is there something wrong with drawing on the right side of the brain that keys to drawing and the natural way to draw are recommended in the sticky instead

>>4272664
ive been staring at this for too long. i'm gonna go do something else for a while.

>>4272703
Drawing on the right side of the brain has great exercises but has a lot of babbling in it. Most of the info is about drawing from a psychological standpoint and how your childhood affects your art and all but none of that really helps you draw, just educates you. It’s more of a science and analytical book than anything but the exercises are top notch. I definitely became better at recognizing lines and shapes after doing some of the drawings in that book such as the upside down drawings.

>>4272684
I believe /asg/ would say yes.

In progress of a vanderpoel mastercopy

Someone please tell me where to start. I am begging you, someone tell me what baby steps should I take to start drawing.
I tried to do some figure drawing and the results were so pathetic that I can't stop crying.

>>4272743
draw a box, do the 250 challenge at the end or dont.then anatomy for sculptors, color theory and you are done.

>>4272744
Thanks anon. If I can't draw at least a decent posebefore this year ends, I will definitely slice my hands off.

My first ever painting on canvas, using blacklight color

>>4271318
Did another 4 hours of gesture drawing today, but I feel as if I am really not learning doing these classes on Line of Action. I am trying to concentrate on the mistakes I am making but they continue to appear. I plan to keep on doing gesture practice but does anyone have any ideas of how I should make the most out of all this practice (Or should I just be brute-forcing this and eventually it will become natural for me)?

Practice schedule right now:
4 Hours of gesture practice
- 1 hour of figures
- 1 hour of faces expressions
- 2 hours of hands
30 Minutes of drawing from my imagination
30 Minutes of analysis and deconstruction of artists I look up to.

Sir Lapulu the beast prince, and his somewhat obedient partner Lindsey.

>>4272347

>>4272592
Qwhat did you want to study in that painting?

>>4272769
I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the guy laughing's perspective is more exagerated than the reference, it's cool.

>>4272786
Thanks Anon, as I was screencapping these reference pics I noticed they drew them really stiff so while I'm learning the style I want to try to exaggerate them more then they did in the actual show.

>>4272761
You’re gonna burn out with all that practice. Take time to just make some shitty art for fun or something you don’t always need to practice

>>4272790
That's great dude! Always good to practice like that.

>>4272792
Maybe but I have been doodling for a long time and I really want to try and get good at it. I tend to dump shit tons of time into stuff I enjoy but I want to hold myself to a schedule. I will probably half my gesture time when Uni starts up again though.

>>4272805
good at drawing*

>>4272695
tried another tree again

>>4272805
Hey I recommend you try Bridgman's approach to gesture, his use of straight lines to determine weight, and ground the figure is an excellent way that leads to consistently good figures.

more deconstruction

>>4272827
you got to tilt the hips some more

Not gonna lie gesture in Hampton’s book is intimidating me. The methods he describes are great but I can’t seem to look at a picture reference and use his methods? I usually look at a picture and use his methods to draw the gesture but I don’t feel like that’s helping. feel like I should be making my own gesture poses? But I’m not sure if I should reference or not?? Seems like Hampton is making his own but I’m not sure and could use some help. I’m
considering not using references since it’ll help with drawing from imagination

whats my art level, /ic/?

>>4272835
Still thinking about stupid ideals/10

Thread quote
>at the time when you spoke of my becoming a painter, I thought it very impractical and would not hear of it. What made me stop doubting was reading a clear book on perspective, Cassange's Guide to the ABC of Drawing: and a week later I drew the interior of a kitchen with stove, chair, table and window
>in their places and on their legs whereas before it had seemed to me that getting depth and the right perspective into a drawing was witchcraft or pure change
- Vincent Van Gogh, in a letter to his brother, Theo who had suggested that Vincent become a painter. Letter 184, p.331

Whelp anons I think im going back to the keys to drawing. I never read it and went right to loomis instead. I dont draw symbolism but my life drawings are so based in perspective and construction I just need a reset. I mean it cant hurt to go back to that while style working on figures and anaotmy right.

>>4270868
Listen to >>4270904, he's right.

>>4272718
>Mastercopy

>>4271008
Blog?

>>4272842
Based wholesome Van Gogh. It was probably /beg/ tier, but he felt good and now he draws every single day.

>>4272790

it looks like a dwarf with giant hand. work on your perspective.

>>4271008
You gotta put the weight down dude, draw a straight line from the torso that has the weight shifted towards it, then another straight line expressing the pelvis, then a straight line down to the ground and draw the foot, repeat on the other side with less weight. I'm a believer in protportions are in the eye of the beholder, but I think your thigh length is too short, if you like the long leg look I would make the thighs a bit longer

>>4272957
I definitely agree, the anon could use their mind's eye for those things. Look at the arm, visualize the arm in a relaxed position on the figure, it will almost be dragging on the ground like a gorilla, I think your problem came from a lack of understanding on the forearm and wrist.

>>4271497

>apple pencil

get real pencil and cheap print papers.

>>4271586
>4cups
>2pots
Jesus dude that's insane, how can you live with that much caffeine? If I have 5 cups of low caffeine tea I start freaking out.

erm first time in a long time taking drawing seriously again

Any feedback appreciated. I've started doing this thing where I stop paying attention my ref and try to just eye things. It's fun but obviously leads to shittier pics and is harder

>>4272990
Refs

>>4272990
>>4272991
Ah its way easier to see how wrong and lifeless my shit is when I can flip between it and the org

>>4272994
yup, ain't that a bitch?

WIP, imagination only, no ref. Would like feedback please.

>>4273027
Forgot the pic.

not too bad, but you're bullshitting a lot of those contour lines. i know it's tempting to half-ass it since it takes time but they're worthless/counter-productive if they're that off. either take the time to do them right or do less of them (and do them right)

>>4273067
meant to quote
>>4272809

>try to imagine intersections of geometric forms
>my head starts to hurt
AAAAAAAAAAAH

>>4273067

a gah reed

new

>>4273199
>>4273199

>>4272770
Well, I kinda wanted something "easy" to draw to get a bit more used to working on a tablet. Didn't really think much about focusing on what to learn from it. So my approach probably wasn't the best...

>>4273028
Use a ref, or figure out a better way to get good gesture/foundation. Look how stiff and unbalanced that is man, come on I onow you don't think that's acceptable

>>4273073
try drawing them instead, or shoving the shapes into eachother in a 3d program to get a feel for them.

this feels a little wack

>>4274551
This is what you spend christmas drawing? Spend some time with your family dude.