/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Anyone else use a form of flipnote to make animations?

Is this well animated or am I just starved for sakuga after watching the [good] Simpsons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4vDI7OJUYs

Just a goof

So Krita seems to be the best option for animating, based on what I'm seeing...? CSP would be nice but it has a frame limit unless you have EX, and that other program Aaron Blaise uses is pricey as fuck.

>>4257181
I used to use Flipnote 3D for a long time. My sloppy drafting and poor resolution don't mix well.
I use Flash MX nowadays but I occasionally pine for Flipnote's simplicity.

15 minute speed round

Proportions are all messed up but I just did it for fun.

>>4258905
This is great. What's this from?

Added more instead of cleaning this up because I hate myself
>>4259494
Looks like Dead Leaves but I could be wrong

>>4259546
Also went ahead and started a rough for the other characters. I'll probably do one more before going ahead on clean up

>>4257730
the design's got some issues, but the animation's good

>>4259401
If that was the case then you should've at least drawn in a line for the ground.

>>4258996
Hot.
Is that celica?

Is there any torrent or download link for Spine? What about on cgpeers?

Between DragonBones, Live2D, AnimeEffects and TVPaint, which one is better?

>>4261039
>AnimeEffects needs a graphics card with OpenGL 4.0 support
Fucking how/why?

>>4261104
No one tries to optimize their software to run on minimal settings anymore, fuck corporations that try to make me update the hardware for nothing.

>>4261039
Depends on what you're trying to use the program for?

>>4261039
>DragonBones, Live2D, AnimeEffects and TVPaint
None of these do remotely the same thing. Just download Easytoon or Pencil2D if you're confused.

>>4259546
Even more

>>4261255
>>4261266
I want to do skeletal mesh animations.

The only thing I’ve ever successfully animated was a basic bouncing ball so any sort of feedback is greatly appreciated.

Made this at the start of December

>>4261039
>Spine
>Pro version is THREE HUNDRED BUCKS
>Normal version has absolutely none of the features they advertise
I hope these jews get pirated to death on the first opportunity.

I had a lot of time so I decided to leave all the frames haha

>>4261945
At least their market is almost entirely cheap mass-produced indie game designers. It's not as bad as TVPaint
>Best software for traditional animation
>Worst UI of any software
>Worst brush customization engine
>Least features
>Costs hundreds if you're a student
>Costs thousands if you're not
>Requires you to have a cheap ass dongle key plugged into your USB drive to use
>Has a fanbase of hardcore supporters in the animation industry that will chew you out if you criticize it. "They're a small company so it's ok! Eat shit!"
>French

>>4261505
The key gestures need to be more readable, first off. I can't really tell whats going on in that gif aside from him throwing something

>>4261996
Wish you had an overshoot on that last frame

>>4261690
I don't even know where to begin with this one holy shit. All you did was move it up and down and made the tits 'bounce' while you just stretched out the details like the hair and hat because you were too lazy to actually draw new fees and animate properly. Her face has no soul.

>>4261010
no lol, everyone thinks it's someone else because it's not that notable a design.

>>4262117
The first character is throwing a pie and the second character is getting hit by it.

>>4259548
>>4259546
>>4261301
hehe cute.

>>4262432
So something like this you gotta consider the composition and timing of the shots during the storyboard phase to make each action clear.

Character 1 throws the pie forward (away from the audience) but then we suddenly see it coming toward us. That's confusing screen direction. Additionally, both character 1 and 2 are on the same side of the shot for their respective actions. Given the sketchy nature of the gif plus their similar designs, it's not readily apparent who's doing what.
In order to fix this, start with splitting the scene down into it's essential elements: Character 1 throwing the pie, a shot of the pie flying, a shot of character 2 reacting and trying to avoid getting hit and, lastly, impact
There's a specific one from these guys I'm trying to find but this one kind of goes into it

>>4262658
Found it

>>4262677
Here's 2 more while I'm at it

>>4262682

>>4262658
>>4262677
>>4262682
>>4262686
Thanks Anon, these are really helpful.

I continue my animation basics with practice of ease in/ease out and anticipation. How'd I do?

Planning on doing all three (ease in/ease out, stretch and squish, and anticipation) in the next animation. Just to work with them all at once.

Tweaked it a little so the drop isn't so abrupt.

>>4257174
I got banned from the discord server because I posted a star wars webm with spoilers, truly you are all faggots

>>4261690
fucking TRASH

>>4261690
Don't listen to the crabs, anon.
I like it for the simplicity.

>>4263414
Despite their tone, >>4262130 is right
It's very poorly executed
>>4263238
>>4263217
You're on the right track! I'd combine the two desu. The slow roll on the flat bit and have the ball speed up on the downhill roll

Lately i've been working on a small animation software, trying to keep it as simple as possible.

I hope to release a good version by the end of december.

I'm open to suggestions.

You can follow the development here if you are interested:
https://twitter.com/4v0v_
https://github.com/4v0v/4n1m

trying a walk cycle with exaggerated weight shift

>>4261690
this is really bad, try animating frame by frame to get a grasp at the fundamentals

>>4261996
This is pretty nice but the volumes are all out of whack. Since she's a robot, it's even weirder. Study construction. Got any other animation?

>>4261690
I like the colours although the animation lacks of fundies. Grind the ball first.
Anyway, is there any efficient way as one person animator to colour like this in two passes?
What I'm thinking about to achieve this for a 100 frames animation is via value (monochrome) pass and flat colour pass. Lastly the light pass and colour correction.

>>4261690
this is like a pretty bad porn ad. You can make it really nice by adding at least 2 frames of easing between the first and middle pose, as well as the middle and final pose.

>>4264034
How does one study construction for animation? Asking for a friend

>>4263890
Not bad, but exaggerate it even more. Don't be afraid to really push things and then dial it back if needed.

>>4264029
Real nice, post more.

>>4264045
unironically Loomis

>>4264045
Preston blair for cartoony. any figure drawing book with construction emphasis like loomis, hampton, vilppu for more realistic.
You can find anime specific construction stuff in the artbook thread OP megas. But they are just stylised loomis.

>>4261690
>the only piece in this entire thread that looks somewhat appealing and would probably get easy patreon bux
>/ic/ hates it
Never change

>>4264045
since construction for animation is slightly different, try looking up what AMB does. His construction are solid even if he is a hardcore Disney-fag and his animations are soulless.

>>4264168
There's been very little posted in the thread so far (I've already posted a few times and plan to post more)
As a single frame illustration, you have a point but as an animation, which is this thread's purpose, it's woefully lacking the fundamentals
>>4264041's description of it is spot-on

Found out I was being dumb about how to import Procreate animation to CSP (just save as .psd and open it on CSP and then placing all the frames in an animation folder)
So this is ready for clean up now

>>4257174
why do pencil tests almost always look way more impressive and fun, than the final product?

>>4264713
It's the same with regular sketches: your brain fills in the blanks with potential line placements when you see a sketch so when you just see a single line in the clean up, there's less possibilities for your brain to process

>>4262005
Somebody leak the goddamn dongle already. It's been years. Just how mindlessly loyal is their fanbase?

>>4262005
>>4264762
TVPaint is actually really cheap man. Standard is like $600USD and Professional is $1500USD
You're paying for the engineering and years of hard work they put into making it the best for hand-drawn digital animation.
you will never understand how good the onion skin tool can be until you use TVPaint lmao it's fucking awesome

>>4264732
same issue occurs in 3D. blocking looks great, then you change the interpolation from stepped to spline and it turns to garbage

>>4261253
Probably to stop piracy. Only a matter of time ti'll they make tvpaint a subscription-based software.

>>4266220
>Probably to stop piracy.
That's what the USB dongle is for. Programmers don't give a shit about optimization anymore since consumers are more than willing to throw better hardware to make something run better.

>doing animation in 2k20
Imagine.

tvpaint is trash.
photoshop is unironically better for animation than tvpaint.

>>4264866
Fuck off tvpaint shill

>Weilin Zhang is 17 years old
Fuck this.
I'm out.

>>4266316
This is not real

>>4266304
>those loli nips
unf every time

>>4266304
what is this?

>>4264866
calling 1500 cheap. Install krita is free

>>4264866
CSP EX frequently goes on sale and is very much worth it and is much cheaper than 600 dollarydoos
I'm sure there's benefits for having a program built from the ground up for animation but all the features of EX are enough to facilitate independent animation production

>>4266418
$600 or $1500 is definitely cheap in terms of animation software. any kind of job will get you a permanent license within a few months easy.
unrelated but i find it funny when i see so many people complain about the price of animation software, but those same people own an equal amount of value in video games or some other stupid shit.
>>4266441
I own both, and I definitely prefer TVPaint over CSP EX. CSP has an absolute garbage onion skin and the way it handles layering/frames is fucking annoying as shit. TVPaint is built for ANIMATION, and CSP is built for ART.
>>4266303
>tvpaint shill
you'd shill for it too if you tried it out and learned how to use it.

>>4257174
what are some good hotkey setups for animating in csp?

>>4266565
it`s funny how some people behave with their sunk cost fallacy

what is this type of animation called https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaoeZkm92t8
what do i search for i can find tutorials about it?

>>4266642
2D skeletal animation, similar to cut-out but with a lot more deformation. It`s pretty limited but works great for subtle movements like in that video

>>4266565
>you'd shill for it too if you tried it out and learned how to use it.
>>>
I have and its brush system is worse than sais. No one even uses the x sheet on there. The only thing you faggots rave ober is the oinion sheet.

>>4266715
>I have
You must have a pretty smooth ape brain. I agree the x-sheet is pretty fucking useless, since there's already a timeline. The brush system is fine as long as you know what you're doing.
What TVPaint has over other "animation" software is the clean organization of the timeline. None of that annoying fucking Photoshop-style layer-stack bullshit where individual frames of the animation are just re-routed from a huge fucking stack of layers. That's so inefficient and a huge waste of time. TVP handles every frame as their own entity where all of the information is held on the timeline. Think of Adobe Flash but way more flexible.

>>4266304
There's no way 3d software wasn't involved, who made this

>>4266933
>find the artist
>he denies holocaust
Uhh, based?

>>4257855
If you want simplicity give pencil2D a try

>>4266748
>The brush system is fine as long as you know what you're doing
It is barebones as fuck what do you mean fine lol.

Did a noodle man to get used to clip studio paint.
It's not that much different from krita but I wish there was an option to automatically make new cells when you start drawing like krita has.

So let’s say my storyboards are all done, how do I transition to actually doing the animating? Do I do it by scene? Do I trace over the boards or redraw from scratch? When do I add backgrounds and props?

>>4267383
you can do it in whatever order you like but if you are working in a professional environment or you are making a long project the pipeline is script-storyboard-layouts-animation-editing.
Having a solid sketch for the background is enough to animate and if you can use a good drawing from the storyboard/layout you should. animators don`t shy away from recycling

>>4267411
How are layouts different from the storyboards?

>>4267416
That is the question. Here's one approach: https://twitter.com/Lowtwait/status/1169000073990160384

>>4267446
Thanks Anon, this is really helpful!

>>4267416
layouts are the same as the storyboards but they have at least the final pencil backgrounds and the characters on model.

>>4266933
>>4266411
Kou Yoshinari is one of those animators who gets accused of rotoscoping because he's just that good. Source is "Digital Juice - Tsukiyo no Ban ni (デジタルジュース - 月夜の晩に)".
>>4266350
thanks for pointing this out

his work on kizu was something else, too.
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/36294

>>4266936
unironically

>>4267598
nah, just ironically

>>4266316
No hes not. Prove it

made megaman

Why aren't you yet producing your own animated show like this resourceful young lady who appears to have a job at WDAS?
http://www.bubblegumcartoons.com/

>>4269228
that looks awful, good for her tho

>>4269228
no way does she have a job at disney

>>4269395
It says here.
https://lilliangoldschmidt.weebly.com/about.html

>>4269441
She's a sketch artist at Disneyland which is a really depressing job full of industry rejects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47JlIMwLXYA

>>4269228
>>4269510
Not to sound naive, but everyone has to start somewhere. I’m sure she doesn’t brag about it or exaggerates it to make her look good, but then again, I dunno

>>4269228
>>4269441
yikes...

>>4269510
Oh, that's actually potentially a little sad for an ambitious animator. I just saw disney and assumed wdas.
Still, she's working on her completely original ip. I think that's formidable.

Holy shit I hate myself for having such a hard time with anatomy.

>>4267532
Yoshinari bros collab when?

>>4269857
Animation anatomical construction should not look like this. This is very life drawing-y. Watch AMB and Aaron Blaise. The shapes should be more basic, im talking circles and squares. Not an amorphous prism.

>>4270126
They kinda did in LWA, Kou had some parts

>>4270128
>thinking calarts style is proper animation
no wonder western animation is dying

>>4270134
not even close. you're a fucking faggot.

>>4270128
Going to try it and do a proper rough, still find it a bit hard for the human body..

>>4270217 here.
Forgot to add, I personally want to stay away from whatever that makes western animation or characters, "western".
Not because it's bad or anything like that, but because of personal preference.

>>4270249
The key to anime animation style is having a large enough visual library that you can draw a very rough accurately proportioned animu girl's outline and animate straight ahead (i dont remember the term). Meaning no key poses. This is what gives them the energetic feeling most sakuga have. You can see this in most rkgk. Look up guzzu and see his process videos. The fundementals taught by these westerm animators are still very much applicable to anime style. You need to be able to simplify your construction lines more and give compartmentalize the character's body parts more so you can easily "puppet" them around in your head and draw them. I reccomend very simple shapes like cylinders and spheres and cubes. No vilpu head shit unless its already ingrained in your head. Have a good sense of timing and know when to ease and when to animate on 1s (24 fps) and 2s (12 fps). Anime's 1s and 2s are half the framerate of western's, 12 fps and 6 fps.

https://twitter.com/ClipnoteStudio

a flipnote like software for people interested

How much of a bad idea would coloring and shading digital animation in after effects be?

Like doing pic related in CSP/TVPaint/Krita.
Then changing those colors at the compositing stage in AE.

Thinking of using some AE plugins I remember seeing online that are used by japanese studios. Can't seem to remember where to get those, anyone has a link?

>>4270249
Japanese animators always refer to western art for inspiration though.
If you wanna do anime stuff go ahead, but it's a good idea to broaden your horizons as well.

>>4271199
I'm going through an animation career so I'm already learning the basics and "western stuff" there. Which I don't find bad.
But my brain craves for animu style because they don't teach me what makes anime "anime" there. (I already researched some stuff, but there's always more to learn I guess, if the google algorythm allows for actual results instead of 10 year olds making tutorials on "how to paint anime" for example).

wip

>>4271214
is the tail supposed to hang there like that? either way, nice and good luck finishing it
>>4271210
can i ask what kind of "western" stuff they teach? what conclusions did you draw about what sets anime apart?

>>4271242
I'm really tired and probably just talking nonsense at this point. Also maybe judging good apples because of some bad ones.

If I had to name one thing, probably the shots.
Dunno why, but american cartoons always seem to draw characters full body on an isometric-like camera angle (probably a bad example of western animation but Family Guy does this a lot).
In contrast to dynamic shots in japanese animation, probably thanks to how their layout process is made, but I'm just guessing.

>>4271242
it will kind of sway a bit as he walks. thinking of adding spikes to the tail when I get closer to finishing it.

>>4271264
No you got it absolutely right. The shot composition is what really set apart western from anime. Anime utilize film direction and staging principles more because of the restricted budget

>>4271265
>>4271214

>>4271264
ah alright, that's exactly what i was going to say but i wanted to hear your thoughts on it. most cartoons look like they're taking place on a theater stage, hence the relatively flattened perspective. staging and gestures matter more than conveying a sense of 3d-space, which is great for expressive motions like in pic related.
japanese layouts and storyboards are treated like an imaginary camera, with a focus on framing. that's why the action works so much better in anime. there are obviously exceptions to this, but it's hard to find the latter in traditional American cartoons.
it oftentimes feels like construction is used as a way to arrange coherent shapes, rather than build consistent volumes and move them around accurately.

>>4271180
https://olm.co.jp/rd/technology/tools/?lang=en

>>4271264
>If I had to name one thing, probably the shots.
>Dunno why, but american cartoons always seem to draw characters full body on an isometric-like camera angle (probably a bad example of western animation but Family Guy does this a lot).
>In contrast to dynamic shots in japanese animation, probably thanks to how their layout process is made, but I'm just guessing.
Hit the nail on that one western cartons are always on a flat 3/4 view full body perspective. Some do amazing things with it (40s/50s Looney Tunes), others do really stiff boring stuff (literally any cartoon show on TV now). So it's not a matter of being a weeb to say the Japanese are superior at staging/layout than the west now because the west really has no idea how to stage action on a budget.

>>4271180
The plugin you're looking for might be a default - Colorama.
Allows you to map one set of colors to another set.

>>4271338
This was the thing.

Figured the whole thing out btw.

Basically you color a frame with base colors, then draw the shade areas in a separate layer, choose an out of place color for them, blueish color in pic related for example. Export it separate from the base color layer.
Import into both into AE.

In AE, Import the frames into a composition, place shades above the base color image, add a "change to color" effect to it, you can now change the shade color to any variable of hue/saturation/luminosity, you can also adjust the layer's main opacity.

Important thing to remember is to avoid antialiasing in your drawing program when creating the animation frames (makes it easier to fill spaces and to edit in AE).
You can apply OML's Smoothing plugin to the final composition, for the lines to become smoother.

>>4271447
Final result.

>>4268803
this is cute

Traditionalfag here, want to make the change to 3D to save time. But I know nothing about computers. I was gonna pick up a drawpad at Best Buy but what is a good (preferably free) program that a caveman like me can use? It'll just be for 2D animation, cartoons and the such, so it really doesn't need a whole hell of a lot of bells and whistles but I wanna be able to make something of professional quality if I put enough time into it. The closer to traditional+quality of life features the better.

>>4272209
>Traditionalfag here, want to make the change to 3D to save time.
3D isn't going to save you time. Quite the opposite in fact.

>>4272329
too goddamned true

>>4272209
no idea for 3D but for 2D flash is great and easy, if you want something with more options try tvpaint or toon boom

>>4272329
>>4272355
shit no idea why I said that, meant changing from 2D traditional to 2D computer animation

>>4266418
Did Krita finally change it so you can export animation without the 3rd party Software?

>>4267382
The shot compositions are pretty decent, I more or less know whats happening

>>4267485
Yeah when I visited cartoonnetwork they told me they hand the really crapy stick figure sketches to the layout people and they actually draw the characters on model in place of the old drawing

>>4271447
Why don't you just shade the colors the actual colors in the program instead of compositing them?

>>4272484
in case I change my mind later when doing the compositing. So I don't have to be jumping back and forth between programs, export over 9000 copies, etc.

>>4272439
the best balance between feel and functionality is tvpaint (raster) and flash/animate (vector)

both are easily pirated, and there's good tutorials for both on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B8lB3Gf_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBHwrVTDewg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBorLIaSb2Y

>>4272955
thanks m8, much appreciated

>>4272955
Can anyone tell me why in Adobe animate every brush stroke I make appears completely different once drawn and how I can disable it. I see other peoples strokes and they look as clean as photoshop but mine look crappy

>>4274106
probably this setting

>>4274117
I tried that, but then When i actually made strokes they looked all pixel-y and aliased

>>4274156
That's just how Animate looks I think, I don't see the problem.

I hear people saying copying other people's animation is an effective way to learn (not tracing over, observational copying). Thoughts?

>>4274203
Sounds like a shit ton of work for not that much benefit. A study of a drawing, sure, but a whole animation? Just animate something new yourself and compare it to something similar to see what works and what doesn't work.

>>4269857
This has personality.

>>4274203
No need to copy drawings, just look at stuff frame by frame on youtube by using the < > keys. You eventually start recognizing how to keframe and time shit just by doing this and figure out how it can be applied to original animation.

I draw my frames in Sai so do I need to draw in no aliasing brush (binary brush) for easy pick and paintbucket the colours later and only apply the anti-aliasing only during post production (AE)? I want to skip the tedious retracing and clean up process because I'm a one person animator. Or is there any other work around to do this that you might suggest?

>>4274200
oh...that kinda sucks

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/526051066
Trigger live draw with Hiroyuki Imaishi. He does some short animations instead of just a drawing. Ingesting to watch.

>>4274809
thank you for sharing this!!

>>4274809
What program are they using?

>>4272439
>>4272955
How about Greasepencil? Not that you actually meant 3d, it does however seem very easy to get tutorials on and its also exceptionally powerful.

>>4274891
tvpaint11

I'm currently working on an animation program and just released a new version.
I've added some features like knockback, window transparency, preview window...
It should be quite good for small projects / rotoscoping.

I'm actively developing it so if you wan't some features/ have a problem with it you can report it to me.

You can download it here : https://github.com/4v0v/4n1m/releases/tag/v0.0.2

And follow development here : https://twitter.com/4v0v_/status/1209901873257492485

>>4274965
I'll try it out, devanon

>>4274910
it's not really there yet, and the development keeps going on to bells and whistles rather than solving some basic fundamental issues:
there's no equivalent to the brush tool in flash/tb, the pencil tool doesn't sample freehand strokes very well, the eraser is extremely inaccurate, the fill tool is almost unusable because it samples screen pixels despite grease pencil being vector data
there's a lot of potential, especially the sculpt tools, but right now it can't do much more than rough sketching

>>4274910
Tried grease pencil but the brush felt really bad.
I'm not very familiar with blender though so I guess maybe I was doing something wrong.

>>4274965
Please, if you get this far, allow users to export files into gifs and mov. files without the need for 3rd party software like shitty krita

>>4275422
It's on my roadmap (for the .gif at least) for the next release (next week I hope).

I did it
Asked my dad to buy me the Aaron Blaise complete tutorial. But I don't want to become a prcrastinator, as I have to go back to school in january and I get into the habit of getting distracted by school stuff more than my personal goals
Wat do?

>>4274156
just how flash is, you need to find the right balance between the two. Try the pen tool. I heard Animate's pen tool is pretty great.

>>4274156
Turn on your pressure sensitivity for fuck's sake. Smash the fuck out of that button that looks like a target in the brush properties panel.

>>4275582
>paying for aaron blaise tutorials
>when you can just torrent them for free
also develop some fucking autonomy and stop asking your parents to pay for things

>>4276037
>>4275582
Is it any good?

Any good tutorials for learning to animate in CSP?

>>4276046
It's nothing you wouldn't learn better from other sources, honestly. He's a great artist and animator, clearly a solid dude, but he doesn't explain anything you can't already find in books published back in the 80s. Just read The Illusion of Life and you'll get the gist of Blaise's entire tutorial series.

>>4276037
>>4276046
>>4276170
Ok, thanks for the info on Blaise, thanks for the input on why torrenting is better, and thanks you for advice on my christmas present and how it correlates with self will . But I was asking how to not procrastinate with animation. If anyone followed a good anti-procrastination system, or if I need to strengthen my willpower onwards?

doodlin

>>4257763
laffed when he jumped out the window. good stuff

so ive never animated before and tried procreates new animation feature and i gotta say, even if im new and suck, this is really fun.
im interested in learning animation, any beginner tips?

>>4277048
Quite good for a first animation. Start with the bouncing ball, you could've pushed this way further and given more thrust to the jump. Also look into secondary/overlapping action; the cloak follows the body pretty much exactly when it should drag a few frames behind the thing it's attached to.

any adobe flash/animate tutorials you guys can recommend for a smooth brain like me?
I can't fucking wrap my head around that program for the life of me

>>4277119
It's one of the easier animation programs. What are you confused about?

>>4277119
From what I remember a decade ago it's all about layering your images to make tweening easier with quicker snappier animations hand drawn between them.

>>4277127
it's mainly the UI.
I'm just so used to how things work and look in clip studio paint. it feels much more simple and straightforward in comparison. I still really want to try and learn the adobe apps though since I know they can come in handy for more ambitious projects

>>4277225
I think CSP is far less intuitive, and I use both.

Flash is pretty straightforward: the timeline goes horizontally for moving through frames, and vertically for different layers. If you have a background layer it essentially has its own timeline, and you can put another layer on top with its own timeline, and a foreground layer, etc. It functions like CSP but much simpler: a layer is a layer, not a frame (with folders serving the actual role of layers).

In other words say you want the background to just sit there the whole time, not changing. Drag the frames out. But you want the TV to be showing different images on the screen. Make a new keyframe to edit the image, or a new blank keyframe to draw something else entirely. Then there's a third layer which is the character watching the TV, and from the number of keyframes you can see he's moving more than both of them. Then there's tweens and stuff which is another discussion, but that's the absolute basics.

How do you get good at drawing layout?

>>4277542
study perspective and composition

>>4277542
What that guy said. Practice drawing real environments, too

>>4277542
Also an important part is communicating what the object you are drawing is made out of via texture and making objects more interesting via manipulating proportion, weathering/aging, silhouette, variety in similar objects and balancing complex vs simple.
Will Weston's instagram posts on environments/props are a good source of education for this. I really hope he does a video series on environments at some point.

>>4277240
i've been trying csp but the the way it handles layers is so weird. is there a way to cut/copy a selection from one animation layer to another?

>>4277774
I've been doing it by taking a frame from the folder, then merging it with the thing I need and then putting that frame back in the folder. Shit is horrendous and I wish I knew the other way to do it.

Any thoughts or criticism? First time using Clipstudio's animation feature.

>>4266304
why is every single good jap animator a pedophile

>>4278134
young person are easier to animate than adults. less feature on a child > more features on an adult

>>4264039
>Anyway, is there any efficient way as one person animator to colour like this in two passes?
YES. I FOUND A WAY. Not sure if I want to share it yet, it still needs polishing.

>>4277978
the character is cute but the animation is lacking a lot. The wind is coming from 20 different directions, you are missing the back of the skirt, the hair is completely still despite the wind, the clock thing moves at an ugly low frame rate when you can tween it and make it smooth and the levitation is barely noticeable.
I would suggest to make a smooth loop of one sleeves then you can duplicate it, put a different starting point and you have the second sleeve. Duplicate and mirror the skirt and make it a darker color and you have the back of the skirt. Make a short loop of the hair. Exaggerate the levitation a little and put some ease in and out an that shit.
Oh and the lines wiggle a little. Good luck

>>4257174
anyone knows of a good animation forum? or a good place where lots of animators go to talk and get feedback?

>>4277119
https://youtu.be/QHtoFwHh38Q

The only tutorial you'll ever need

>>4278134
Because usually intelligent people are attracted to children unfortunately. That's how it's been throughout history.

>>4277240
oh, I know how the timeline works - that's one of the few things about flash I understood right off the bat. I should've specified that.
in the meantime I decided to try out toon boom, and I'm actually learning that at a faster rate than flash as well oddly enough. the youtube tutorials I could find were just informative and to the point. maybe some of the stuff I'm picking up on in TB can carry over? if not I guess flash just might not be for me.
>>4279067
I believe I was in a discord server specifically for that purpose at one point and it was actually pretty active, but I can't remember it for the life of me
>>4279148
thank you anon, I'll give flash another try and check this one out

How do you tackle a front run animated background in 2D?
Should I use a 3D approach or is there another method like a zoom out or something?
Googled it and Youtube is full of shit tutorials.

>>4280132
Easy answer: zoom out

Hard answer: look in the Animators Survival Kit for the section about animating powerlines and lampposts and stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeOIl8dh9EQ
can i get a critique for this animation i made?

>>4280132
I think most use compositing tools on Adobe AE. The way I would personally do it is create 4 texture and each one on one plane of the room assuming it's a long hallway. Then, animate a stationary walk cycle and composite it on top of the plane and move the camera. It really depends on what type of look you'd like to go for.

>>4280157
I honestly think it would be better without the copy telling you what each part represents. way too on the nose. if you let the visuals do the work and not condescend the viewer your message will actually have an impact. literally spelling it out to the audience is cringe. is this for a school project or something?

>>4279040
Thank you, ill take everything in mind. But, what do you mean by tweening the clock?

>>4280132
>>4280153
From animator's survival kit:

>>4280212
yeah. thanks for the advice, anon. i'll take that into account. it's for a school project about the environment.

>>4257810

OpenToonz

>>4257810
>that other program Aaron Blaise uses is pricey as fuck
it's in the op mega

>>4281276
anyone else experiences constant random crashes on it?

>>4281536
I did.
I decided to just ditch it and pirate toon boom

>>4276271
Make it a habit. Animate something every day. You stop procrastinating by just drawing.

>>4281451
Is that trustworthy? It's only 31mb and that seems really small for such an expensive software.

>>4281741
apparently it's the portable version
the installer (~230mb) is on cgp and pirate bay

do you upload your animations anywhere besides here? I've been thinking of just making a tumblr which sounds perfect for that sort of thing but as stupid as it sounds I don't like the fact that it autoplays all videos.

>>4280132
If its just a straightforward run like your pic it should be pretty easy

wip because I haven't animated the car body or culled the background but I like how it's turning out

>>4282946
...and I fucked up by exporting all the frames and breaking the loop. Trying again.

>>4263238
the ball really should jump off the edge at that speed. theres no reason the ball would slow down that quickly unless there was a hill before the drop. the animation would be fine if the surface its rolled on was rotated to the left a bit. the ball would roll up the hill, slow down, then speed back up going down the other side.

>>4282950
looks cool

>>4282950
trippy

>>4271214
update, working on fixing the tail and his horn. only 28 more frames to go!

>>4257181
I sure do, made this with flipnote 3d

>>4279148
>>tfw you never have a famous rock star for a father who you can live off while you make cartoons.

>>4274965

A lot of improvement from the visual side, gonna publish the v0.0.3 this weekend hopefully.

>>4284341
His cartoons are legitimately very good though and he could live off them if he released more frequently.

>>4284363
Looks neat. What's gonna separate it from other animation programs though?

>>4284503
Unlike other apps I want to make a tool for quick practice that do few things good, only program like that currently is pencil2d but I don't want to wait for the approval of a team to implement features.

Also since I wrote the code from A to Z if someone want a feature I can code it fast.

>>4279148
>2013
Fuck my life. It feels like yesterday when he uploaded it on the HuHa channel.

Is OpenToonz good? Do I need premium?

>>4284215
Blog?

>>4284553
Have you finished a single animation?

>>4284979
My goal is to finish the Panther animation by this weekend, and either the devil guy and/or my old boxing animation by the end of next week, due to my follower's interest.

Just been swamped with commissions as of late.

What is 2d rigged animation, or like, this sort of "cutout" animation, called? I'm interested in getting into it, but I'm having trouble finding resources about it. I'm trying to use blender for this, and it seems so much more complicated than frame based animation where you basically just draw.

Any pointers?

>>4266642
Live2d is the program you're looking for

>>4285875
its ugly dont use it

>>4285921
It depends what it's used for.
it's fine for stuff like informative videos and tv commercials

>>4285926
>>4285921
Ok, I didn't actually mean using those kinds of drawings, that probably wasn't a good example. After scouring through the thread, I found >>4266642 which is really what I'm looking for. Basically, I just want to draw my shit, cut it out and then animate it slightly. This video was already a big help, so I think I can go from here.

>>4266683
>2D skeletal animation
Just to make sure, is it actually called that?

>>4285933
not sure if it`s called something specific but it`s pretty much cut-out with shit ton of deformation.
You can use Spine, i don` know of any other program you can do this kind of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUz99ek5do

>>4274965
...mac version?

>>4257730
Looks like scratchcat

>>4274156
Flash actually uses raster brushes then converts them to vector when you let go, unfortunately the only way to get even line weight is to use the pencil tool

>>4286183
>unfortunately the only way to get even line weight is to use the pencil tool
select the brush, go to the properties panel, and press this button you FUCKING IDIOT

>>4286557
The existence of pressure sensitivity in Flash is not in dispute here. Take a step back and follow the thread for a moment.

>Anon1 notices that his lines change shape after they are drawn. This is due to smoothing, which results in a bit of random variance in line-weight.

>Anon2 suggests that he play around with the brush smoothness settings to reduce the random variance.

>Anon1 notes that this creates new problems, such as jagged, aliased lines with an over-abundance of vector points.

>Anon2 explains that the jaggedness is due to Flash approximating raster lines.

Anon is correct to say that the pencil tool is technically the only true way to ensure that line weight is 100% even.

Pressure sensitivity is in fact designed to be the opposite. The goal is to create line weight that is purposefully uneven to make the drawings more appealing.

>>4284553

Based overextending anon, Godspeed.

>>4285018
>Just been swamped with commissions as of late.

im so fucking angry and jealous

Can I ask what pen tab do you recommend for beginners? is XP-Pen Deco 01 v2 good enough?

How do I get to voice act in your animation projects?

>>4287187
join an animation discord

>>4287448

I have no idea where to find them. That's why I joined the thread.

Done culling bg/overlaps.

>>4284363
Really nice

>>4288192
this is so cool

>>4284363
Here are some features you might want to think about if they aren't there already -

1. Being able to tell a single layer to either hold the final frame until the end of the animation and/or to repeat the frames in the layer for the entirety of the animation

2. Basic tweening, for background stuff like clouds or simple camera movement

3. Canvas rotation

4. Layer opacity

5. The ability to strech frames

Those are the ones I could think of, you might not be looking to implement stuff like that but you never know

>>4288654
Thanks for your answer

1/ Good idea
2/ Too much to implement for now
3/ Soon
4/ Already in
5/ If you mean the strech the content of a frame, I'll be working on a selection tool (like the mspaint one) with strech and resizing.
If you mean the size on the canvas, also soon

I can't draw human figure in different poses. Like i can't draw a person while he is punching. How do I learn this?

>>4288688
figure drawing duhh

>>4288691
I have bought Neil Fontaine’s Anatomy of human figure course in Udemy. Is it worth?

>>4288698
if that's your work you should be reading the sticky

>>4288699
holy fuxk i have to draw that upside down dude? wtf. doing it anyway.

>>4288714
>>4288699
Drew it. Now what?
Can you rate?

>>4288733

>>4288733
>>4288737
good, this is the kind of exercise you don't really need to do more than once, as long as you get the point of the exercise. i'd recommend moving your focus to figure drawing proportions (the beginnings of the andrew loomis figure drawing book) until you can draw the proportions accurately on a flat plane, then learn to add perspective and form to the figure

Did some gesturing from sticky

>>4281941
Thanks anon.

>>4288675
Can you add this MS Paint feature that lets you smear a selection by simply holding shift and dragging? It's my dream for an animation software to have this seemingly retarded feature.

>>4289120
I have only ever used this feature to do pic related

>>4289198
Exactly, could you imagine what could be accomplished if this was in an animation software?

>>4286894
Probably. I have a Deco 03 after using Wacom forever. No real difference in performance.

>>4287187
Need a voice acting demo dude

>>4289120
https://github.com/4v0v/4n1m/issues/16

>>4284363
Maybe add toolbar icons, or just have a way to know which tool is which with specific letter names like "B" for brush. It looks like you have tools mapped to the keyboard but its hard to tell what is what. Also add the ability to mark frames as keyframes.

>>4284553
its best to add the middle frames once you have a clear idea of the contact points

>>4289837
>>4284553
Also the main keyframes could be pushed more for readability

>>4286590
Do people actually use the pencil tool?

>>4288834
you need construction/proportion/stroke economy/ and appeal

https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/109059

WHAT IN THE FUCK. JUST HOW HE BECAME THIS GUD.

>>4290837
He animates every day.

Tried animating in drawpile with a friend, here's what I managed to shit out. Anatomy aside, I find it difficult to go from pose to pose (but straight ahead would probably be more difficult to work with when making a loop). I gave up trying to make this seamless but I want to get better, really want to learn to animate frame by frame like a bunch of old movies and cartoons I used to watch.

Can you recommend a resource or something like that, or tell me what I can focus on to get better?

One-fifth of the animation is roughed out on fours. Anything look off?

>>4294136
why are you using roman numerals?

>>4294150
They are fun to write.

>>4294402
What's the point of numbering frames?

>>4294641
not him but I typically plan out motion with frame numbers on an arc then go back in
e.g. 16 frame motion with ease, I'll mark extremes with 1, 16, then the center position with 9, then the fours closer to the extremes with 5 and 13, then after that it's just inbetweens that don't need numbering

>>4293569
you can animate in drawpile?

the momentum of the tit bounce doesnt make sense. if you shift the whole body up and down with the right timing as if shes bending her knees or riding a cock or something, that could fix it imo

>>4294683
You can use DP to animate but it's probably not ideal, I'm looking into how it's done in csp so that'll hopefully be more intuitive

I meant for her forearms to be pushing the tits together and helping them move up and down, but they don't really look like they're in contact enough to do that.
I made the hips move back and forth as an afterthought because I just didn't want them to be static, I guess it looks uncanny cause all of it put together makes it look like she should be rising and falling, but her body's stationary.
I'll keep your advice in mind for next time, thank you. Going to have to plan out momentum a bit more closely

>>4289120
>>4289198

:^)

>>4289120
>>4289198

:^)

Pros and Cons of using Kirita and or CSP for learning animation?

>>4295227
YES YES YES

>>4295345
Krita is a laggy piece of shit

made this back in 2017

>>4295454
glad I'm not the only one that thinks this.
photoshop, toon boom, CSP, and flash all run perfectly fine on my PC and laptop, but for some reason krita runs like shit on both of them.

Is pencil 2d the best flipbook available?

>>4295227
that's real fuckin' neato

idk if this is as technically similar as it seems, but could you add something like photoshop's liquify tool?

>>4285875
After Effects is actually good for this style.
Have a tute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7lW8t4Jxc&list=PLRckK2qRXQPEjThvEF9NXnqd8CbumDaxJ&index=1

>>4275488
WEBM export would be nice too.

Making progress.

>>4296392
you really are going all out eh?
its hard to tell what you are doing, it looks like she slows down at one point, sometimes she takes long steps, sometimes she jumps or take small steps. If you wanted to make a consistent run you need to check that, other than that i`ll say concentrate on the keys and breaks first.
keep at it

>>4295227
looks cool, if you share a link of the latest version i`ll animate something.

ball bounce practice

>>4293569
Animators survival kit. Your arcs looks good, you just need to keep track of proportion and add inbetweens. You also need to know how spacing works for the in betweens.

>>4295227
Dude I love watching progress on this

>>4296515
The squash is weak because you scaled the circle with a tool instead of drawing a new one; your circle shrinks in mass instead of squashing outward on impact. Also the timing is too uniform, implying no weight or speed.

what should i animate? im going to set a timer for 1 hour and post whatever happens

>>4296656
Animate whatever you want, fucko, we're not your damn mom.

>>4296656
I don't know what your level is but here's something simple that can be turned into something hard depending on what you're drawing: animate a character jumping.

>>4295781
Too much work I believe... not for now

>>4295926
It's on the roadmap

>>4296458
I hope to release the next version at the end of the week

>>4296560
https://twitter.com/4v0v_
I only post dev stuff, and i'm a whore for like :^)

>>4272461
if by export you mean 'render' there is an option. not sure why it matters but it does definitely pipe you to ffmpeg and you just select gif or mkv or whatever, seems really minor because why would they reinvent the wheel but yes its still using third party tools. few formats supported though, but ffmpeg definitely supports them like webm so maybe you need to somehow make your own presets

>>4296730
looking forward to it

>>4296730
Do you have a feature where you can decide how big you want to make your resolution?

Do you need to decide on a framerate and stick to it? I'm doing some of my first animations and so far I've just placed some frames here and there without thinking about adhering to 2s or 3s so it's uneven like pic related. Does it matter?

>>4297239
Generally it's kind of annoying to do inbetweens on thirds, so if you want a general starting point, choose motions that are 4, 8, 16, 32, etc frames long. Things like 12s and 24s will end with you inbetweening thirds eventually, which is kind of a pain.

>>4297259
Just some starter things to consider. 24 frames per second is industry standard for animation. Most animations are made up of a mix of 2s and 3s for slower motions and ones for quicker motions. It shouldn't matter having Keyframes spread out like that if you already timed them and they look good.

>>4297239
It shouldn't matter having Keyframes spread out like that if you already timed them and they look good.

Reposting with the correct image

>>4297251
>>4297264
Ok thanks. Is example A in this picture an example of something that's good to prepare before you start animating, or is there a drawback to this?

Also, is it stupid to worry about timelines that look like example B with letters everywhere and mismatched digits between animation folders, or does it look like this for everybody?

>>4297173
not for now, but I'm going to make custom sized canvas with the ability to zoom it, I believe it could answer your need ?

The selection tool can now copy/cut/internetexplorerbug and work with undo/redo

>>4297431
retain the ability to draw outside the canvas if you can, like flash

>>4297431
>>4297484
this please.
also, is there a way to change the background color?
keep up the good work

>>4282950
so fucking good finish this anon, you don't need to make much more animation if you don't want to but if you did it'd be great.1 just color this and add a trippy eletronc music and post it on youtube

>>4297431
Nice