/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4261447
It's not. Self-teaching isn't for lazy idiots like you, op. You have to be able tootivaye yourself to do the hard work even when you don't want to.

Sorry it wasn't for you because you are a lesser being :(

>implying art school will make you any better
Are you sure about that anon.
Are you sure

http://mashazart.com/

>>4261453
What in the fuck

>be able to motivate yourself*

That hurts but at least it seems like they are having
>fun
Although... They taught themselves to draw like that. That is how they want to draw. They succeeded.
If they wanted to draw more realistically then they would seek out the resources to do so. They just want to draw their little anime things and fantasize. Nothing wrong with that.

>>4261453
why be rude to strangers on the internet

>>4261459
From what I recall, the artist behind it has autism. I guess he does it more as a comfort/hobby thing than anything. If he enjoys what he does, and is happy with his work, than good for him

>>4261462
You have to be rude to the idiots or they'll never learn. Sometimes tough love is the only way.

>>4261462
Do you know where we are retard?

>>4261503
>le ebin 4chin board need to be edgy or else won't fit in xD haha retard nigger cuck xD
please go back to r+eddit.

>>4261526
You don't have to be edgy but you definitely shouldn't act like a pussy when people are even slightly mean to you.

Maybe plebbit is actually the place for you, newfriend :^)

>>4261533
Not since r/thedonald got banned, I'm affraid.

>>4261535
go and stay go homo

Obvious cherrypicking but anyway, it's a sad reality that a lot of people go to art school and still come out highly unskilled. A lot of times it's a matter of the person not trying hard enough, yet in that case why are the schools letting them graduate? Theres a huge problem in the US with schools accepting and passing just about anybody to get those sweet tuition dollars. Then there's the fact that only the best art schools have a solid curriculum. Animation schools in particular are horrible about ignoring fundies and dedicating all class time to software tutorials. And when it comes to art in general, you get a lot of teachers who try to teach abstract but are shit at explaining how to actually go about making that kind of art. Research your schools thoroughly before you commit.

>>4261570
I know art institute is popular and it's basically just a scam to get students information so the administration can sign them up for loans and pocket the money without their knowledge. It's not like places like that care about providing quality education.

>>4261447
>When did you realize that being self-taught is a meme?
I realized my own art progress image was a meme last year when someone got curious after it was used for a thread like this.

Tom preston / Andrew Dobson also completed art school. OP is just a lazy shit head who will complain about plates and drawing aubmissions. If he actually went to an art school that isn't run by American scam artists.

>>4261447
Didn't that dude visit /ic/ once?

>>4261542
>using newfag zoomer memes
Die.

>>4263555
Yep. And during that first visit someone posted a link that shows every time that image gets posted that I check every now and then, which is why I'm here now.

>>4261447
Just because you didn't go to art school, doesn't mean you can't be taught by Loomis, Bridgeman, Watts, Vilppu, Prokopeko, etc.

The resources are all there. You just need the discipline to study and learn from them.

I go to an animation school that is prob like mid tier, but used to be top 10 worldwide (just too slow to switch from paper to digital).
The teachers are pretty good but I still need to self learn for a lot of the course due to a combination of time restriction (only so many class hours per week) and teachers not really knowing much outside of their previous industry career or their current curriculum. A lot of my questions inspired by reading /ic/ books or watching proko/draftsmen get very weak answers or "you dont need to worry about that yet".
So I am still learning most of my gains from the books and videos /ic/ is awesome enough to share.

The main things I get out of the course are:
- Schedule and place so I get out of bed and leave the house
- Peer competition(pretty shallow and dangerous to fall into @big fish in small pond" syndrome but makes you feel good being the best or top 3 in class and makes you put more effort in assignments)
- people to socialise with (not really much there but definitely have more friends because of the course)
- Deadlines so I don't get caught up in perfectionism and slowly cure my procrastination
- FEEDBACK: the main benefit I see that you can't do on your own very well. I get quick and fairly good feedback or suggestions on what I did wrong in figure drawing for example.

One of the cons is that your time is sucked up by assignments and even if they are relevant to your career goals you end up getting "lazy" and not doing personal projects or learning because you feel like you did enough art for the day after classes + assignments. But you clearly have to do more to get a job or you will graduate average out of 40 other people plus other colleges.

>>4261447
That person isn't trying to teach himself anything. He decided he was pleased with it as it was and never tried to learn or incorporate anything new.

>>4263781
As "that person" I can say that statement is inaccurate. I am aware of areas I both need and want to improve on. In fact a few years after making that image I started focusing my art in projects so that I always had a plan for things to draw.

What I'm fine with is my progress being slow. Art is a hobby for me and not my only interest, my focus will shift from one thing to another regularly and fall behind on things regularly. There are movies I've been meaning to watch for years, shows I like I'm behind on, games I haven't finished or even started playing yet, comics I still need to read/buy and books that I should get around to reading at some point.

Sure I'm comfortable with my current skill level but that doesn't mean I don't still work on ways to improve. In fact one thing I like doing when I return to a project idea I haven't worked on in a while is seeing the ways I have improved since the last time.

>>4264724
Genuine question, are you on the spectrum?

>>4264736
Yes, I have autism.

>>4264748
Heh

>>4264724
So, other than solidifying outlines, what new techniques, methods, and details have you tried learning and incorporating over the last 15 years?

>>4264760
I have autism also and I’m self taught but I still think my art has genuinely improved. I struggle with developing the patience to work slowly but I’m getting better. And there are a lot of decent self taught Japanese artists with autism since they actually copy appealing art and draw constantly

>>4264724
Not trying to be mean but your art doesn’t look any better. Have you tried learning realism first before stylizing?

>>4264763
Well with that particular example the way I colour my art has changed a lot. I have a better understanding of layers than I used to. As for techniques I'm not good with specifics but one example would be that I do a lot more editing than I used to. I move parts around a bit, draw parts I'm uncertain of multiple times to see which works best while editing and try and can salvage parts I like from a drawing I messed up.

>>4264771
I didn't really bring up my autism in my earlier replies partly because it had been brought up already but also because I recognize it's only part of what limits me and honestly out of my limitations it's the one that is easier to work around. Another person with autism without my other obstacles is going to make faster progress than me.

>>4264776
I did art classes in secondary school and that included drawing realism back when I was mainly drawing in a Pokémon/Toriyama inspired art style and only drew four fingers. I did learn things during those classes but one of my obstacles is that I'm not very compatible with the classroom environment even when the subject is something I'm interested in. I learn things but not at the same pace as other people and when everyone in your class is picking everything up faster than you the teacher doesn't wait for you to catch up. And online methods of learning aren't the easiest to follow either, some are helpful but others just fly over my head. I think you don't notice the ways I've improved because the ways I haven't stand out to you more. Which makes sense but to me when I look at that image I see how much I've changed.

>>4261462
My thoughts exactly. Why do you idiots keep making pointless threads?

>>4264724
You literally have not improved at all. The first and last pic in that panel could have been drawn on the same day.

Do you actually think squaring the chin off, and adding pupils is making you a better artist?

>>4264724
>>4264881
And that's not to say you can't improve.
Take a methodical approach, and even the most tunnel visioned autist is capable of learning. Do the exercises in some of the books recommended in the sticky, and if you are capable of improving, you will improve.

>>4261447
it really, really depends on art school. Im graduating from art college next year and even though im studying Design we have obligatory drawing classes. Guess what? they didnt teach me shit. Nobody here teaches or explains anything, they just tell us to draw the model and give one vague feedback per session like "use more loose lines" or "change the direction of hatching". Literally one feedback, Im not kidding. Ive never had an anatomy lesson or anything like that here. Maybe there are some good art colleges in the west that actually teach you something, but here its really useless. I know its the same in the painting department, they are 100% into conceptual art. Nobody knows any drawing/painting basics there.

Self taught is absolutely a thing. Art school can sharpen your skill or help develop your style, but nobody will hold your hand and force you to draw or study, thats all on you.

>>4264853
Respects, you seem to enjoy what you are doing, nothing wrong doing things for self gratification, one word SOUL

>>4261447
>another beg coping

yikes

You literally lose nothing by not going to a school.

Here is a real answer to OP's question.
https://youtu.be/VBWu8xBfZCw?t=2361

In short, go to school for the community & enviroment. Everyone has access to the same information.

>>4261447
If someone is genuinely interested I'd be open to talking about art school and the pros and cons I've experienced. For reference, I've been to a fine arts academy and am in a concept art focused school right now. I've personally seen improvement and have gained a lot from it.

>>4264892
I've heard most in the west are among the worst in the world, which country are you from? I heard Asia and eastern Europe have the good ones.

>>4264924
Not everyone has access to the same teachers for feedback and student centered training though. You are at a huge disadvantage if you aren't somewhere like art center where they shit out industry leaders because their teachers are all industry leaders in both creating and teaching entertainment design.
You are going to take maybe twice as long to get to the same level as an art center graduate learning on your own or even with average teachers.
but the good news is that there are plenty of average jobs you can get creating art you just arent going to be working on well known ips unless you keep learning on your own while maintaining the entertainment industry equivalent of monkey jobs.

[obviously a very entertainment industry oriented post]

>>4264881
There's more improvements than those two details. I'd barely even consider those two as examples of the improvement because since the first drawing there has been official Ben 10 media that featured an older Ben Tennyson that I was able to use as inspiration for the second (I've also drawn the character several times between those two drawings) and both drawings have pupils. If you want an actual example look at the way the older picture is coloured. I would use the Magic Wand tool, select an area I wanted to colour and delete it with the colour as the background colour. I also would rarely clean my outlines before colouring while these days I spend most of my colouring time cleaning, moving and redrawing outlines. Outside of that most improvements are smaller, subtle details. Things that are more noticeable to me than other people.

Yes it's not a huge step up but small improvements are still improvements. I acknowledge I still have a lot of areas I need to work on. Proportions (mostly arms and legs), shading, different angles for faces, hands, feet, scaling, backgrounds, vehicles, details, at some point I'll probably need to transition into drawing outlines digitally, getting better tools, learning more about the tools I already have and more. As I said in the post you replied to art isn't the only thing I've fallen behind on, my focus shifts a lot and while I enjoy art and do want to improve it's not my highest priority.

>>4264881
>>4264891
>>4265299
There will be a point when I feel comfortable enough to draw things with the only goal being to improve. But if I did that now it would be the only thing I was drawing at the time and I don't want that. I want to be at a point when I can draw for fun and draw to learn within a close period of time comfortably. So my main focus for art improvement is to always have several drawing planned as motivation to draw frequently. By drawing more often I'll get better at small things. Next year I also plan on saving up for a new laptop with one of the reasons for wanting one being to have a better setup for my art. I want to improve but I don't want improving to take away from the reason I draw in the first place, I like drawing.

>>4264941
>east europe
honestly this is a bait post i didnt go to art uni, im on architecture and they are shitting up our schedule with drawing and painting, also obligatory painting course in summer, its basically draw the model guys, but well what do we need more
proper perspective is the main focus, then comes shading when drawing, color when painting and thats it, ofc they give theories too since the guys teaching us are not pure architects but art profs too, just today we had color theory again and its usage and meaning in designing space
i actually wonder what are they doing on the art uni and what the fuck is happening in the west by some of the stories from /ic/

>>4265302
Soul

>>4264724
>>4265302
You won't improve simply by "just drawing". Have you tried looking into tutorials or investing in art books to help you improve while drawing? You may not believe it, but you literally have not gotten better at all in 15 years. A fancy art set-up isn't going to help with your lack of basic fundamentals. Yes, practice makes perfect, but have to have something to actually practice on instead of just giving your characters a neck and calling it a day.

>>4261457
Haha dumbass

>>4261447
Art school is only as beneficial as you make it anon. This shituber when to an art college and is still a /beg/.

>>4265302
I just wanna say, the people in this thread are talking about visible improvement, but it sounds like your process has improved a lot by what you say here >>4264853 a lot of people doing art (on this board and in general) have very different priorities and goals than you and it's honestly OK. I don't see the harm in doing what you enjoy. Art is just a hobby for some people and if it makes you happy I'm genuinely glad. Sorry if people like OP bring you down.

>>4266022
Don't worry about it. This is an art focused board, people here are going to have a much more critical eye of art. I could easily just ignore this board if I wanted but the first time I came here I did get some helpful tips. I started a sketchbook for drawings that I don't plan on uploading (that I'll admit I don't use as much as I should) and looked over a few of the resources in other threads.