/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

nothin personnel, just actual art coming through

>>4257389
>>4257391
wrong thread Anon, this is about posting your own work.

>>4257389
>actual art
I expected hentai
Im disappointed

from last thread

i want to improve.

i dont know how to draw anything. i find myself being a slave to reference, to the point it feels like tracing. I cant break away.

i think an artist should be able to draw basic things without reference, but I cant even draw the body. the torso and hips are the biggest issues i have, among the many many others.

Alot of things I draw is asymmetrical and lopsided.

i can post some examples of my art if it helps

>>4257399

>>4257391
The fuck is going on with her fingers though?

>>4257419
It's technically possible to that with your hand, but very uncomfortable.

>>4257396
yikers

>>4257419
Don't really get it anon, post a pic of your fingers

>>4257389
ok anons, would you frame it and put it over your fireplace?

>>4257399
>>4257402
Here is my advice, obviously being able to draw from imagination is your main goal, That’ll a hard skill to obtain which branches off into other smaller skills or requirements : Drawing from life, good proportions, good form and gesture, Anatomy knowledge, and Perspective.
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t practice drawing from imagination, no you should do it from time to time, let’s say the weekends make them solely for imagination practice.
Now As for how to practice drawing from Imagination take my advice with grain of salt because I’m still working on it.
From what i have seen studying other artist works and their process. You need to have an understanding of the human range of motions, torso, legs, arms, hands etc... Also how to create more dynamic gesture, usually when we drawing from imagination we tend to make the figure Very stif.
Also you will need to simplify the human form to establish the figure idea at first before jumping into details ( Steve Huston book is great displaying this idea of gesture + structure)
And don’t just stick to studying from life, study other artist works and process. If there is something you don’t understand trace over it.

And at last Don’t study mindlessly, always think about what to do next and look for mistakes to fix.

Good luck

>>4257385
>tfw don't feel the form

>>4257436
Isn’t tracing and copying bad? I see so many artists online getting called out for tracing.

>>4257471
Personally, I think it's good for people just starting out to help them get used to the motions, but it can very easily become a crutch and should be extremely temporary. It's not inherently bad, but it can get in the way of progress if you let it.

>>4257471
Let me clarify. First i meant as studies not finished work. Second let’s say you trying to understand a certain pose foreshortened but you couldn’t get it right, it’s fine to trace over the form of it to understand what are you missing.
As you progress try to do this less and not depend on it entirely because you will need to train your eyes more for complex perspective.

>>4257471
tracing is fine if you just do it for practice and do not claim it as your original work.

Cube interactions. I know it looks like I'm just hiding the hands but I saw a little guide on how to draw hanging tits and I thought I'd try it out and this is the pose I came up with.

>>4257495
Please anon try doing the cubes freehanded instead of using a linetool okay? It will be helpful in the long run.

>>4257495
>Cube interactions

never heard of this fetish

>>4257495
Forgot to mention this was the guide on the hanging tits I saw >>4255126

>>4257514
ok

>start with Dynamic Sketching
>starts easy with line exercises, organic forms, organic forms, form intersections
>speed picks up, but still manage to do everything
>Next topic is plants, drawing from life, do the homework and enjoy it
>last video of DS he suddenly draws a tank and a giraffe out of nowhere
>difficulty skyrockets out of nowhere
I then jumped to Dynamic Sketching 2
>first video is a repetition of DS 1
>second video he's introducing insects
>pic related, basically draw the rest of the fucking owl
>difficulty skyrockets
So should I grind insects or look for another course/book?

>>4257550
Do you always give up when it gets a little difficult?

>>4257550
>he fell for the /beg/ trap
Weird how Peter Han can draw these great paintings ( no irony, I saw him draw live) but CGMA has this shitty sub par sketching course and is charging almost $2000 for it

>>4257430
I don't have a fireplace. And if I had a fireplace I would have put heads of my enemies over it.

>learn a bunch of shorthands and symbols to make the kind of art I like
>decide to get out of my comfort zone and draw something else
>skill back to below /beg/ level
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

From last thread. Can someone point my mistakes or redline? Would be really helpful.

>>4257576
Not /beg/

>>4257556
depends of the difficulty.

>>4257550
He literally walks you through it step by step. After you sure your aren't skipping any videos?
Just follow along as he draws and you'll slowly get used to more complex forms. Also be sure to read up on some basic perspective books if you haven't already.

>>4257576
I'm too /beg/ to be much of any real help, but for what it's worth, the large teeth looks like we're seeing them head-on, rather than slightly from the side like the rest of the face, and the hand looks like it belongs to a much fatter girl. I think thinning them a bit would probably help.

>>4257550
DS is for the beg kind who is not absolute beginner but want to improve construction and sketch quality

another asuka

>>4257385
I suck so hard. I tried everything, every book. I just can't draw and i wont learn anything. Why does drawing hurt so much?

>>4257660
post work

I’m trying to draw faster. Is doing timed contours an option or should I try a different approach. Was slow at doing sketches, so I’m trying to improve

>>4257644
hand is a bit too big. Good that you post the sketch instead of the finished work.

>>4257672
I would advise against focusing on contours, it is better to focus on construction becaude contours will be a naturally emerging results of that.

>>4257644
Neck / shoulder area feels very awkward, like it's much larger than it's supposed to. The body has a nice curved gesture but once you reach the neck / shoulders everything is stiff, almost as if it was drawn separately.

So I started doing 250 box challenge.
I have no idea what i'm doing now.

>>4257660
Read page 10-13 of Keys to Drawing my dude, and don't get stuck in the "I'll have fun drawing when I'm better" mindset. It's important to enjoy the process.

>>4257682
yeah eh i constantly struggle with the shoulder and neck area
ill try to study this area now

Any advice on drawing from the shoulder on a graphics tablet?
My screen real estate is already small due to having reference on the same screen + program interface, so I use like 1/3 of my tablet to draw.

>>4257678
Alright thanks, trying to figure out a schedule of practice. No worrying about that is good

>>4257399

Sound cliche but you are not feeling the form

>>4257576
You're being to hard on your self. Go take a walk or do something nice.

>>4257686
>I have no idea what i'm doing now.

It shows, every single one of these are out of the field of vision and, by consequence, super distorted.

>>4257734
Thanks, I'm trying really hard to not bother about small shit since this is detrimental in many ways, im just autistic as hell about this kind of stuff. I have started to draw since the previous December, but I still get pissed at how much I screw up hands no matter how much I grind.
This is my previous work, I can't help but stare at that ugly hand on her breast.

>>4257737
Ok so what do i need to think about to fix this ?

>>4257750
Personally I'd take a step back and work a bit more methodical bringing each point back to a vanishing point manually before going back to more free handed boxes.

uhhhhhh...

>>4257748
Figure out the knuckle's position, most people I know that still struggle with hands don't. Most mistakes boil down to people not knowing how to attach the fingers.

>>4257750
Learn about cone of vision first and, if you want to get advanced about different lens.
You can find all that watching Olsen's videos, I guess Robertson's book also teach about cone of vision. Otherwise all your perpesctive drawings will get skewed and distorted.

>>4257561
>lower beg

>>4257399
Learn to mannequinize by studying and simplifying the relevant bodyparts. Analyze their anatomy and actual shape as well as how the joints work.

>>4257430
Unironicly yes. I have a Ruan Jia print hanging on my wall, too.

>>4257748
This doesn't look like /beg/
How long have you been drawing?

Can someone point out the mistakes in this one, should I move on to perspective/gesture, if so which one?

>>4257385
My figure drawings look like dogshit. I need to learn about land marks proportions anatomy etc. Advice?

>>4257891
Sorry chose the wrong file

>>4257894
And another

>>4257891
Just google anatomy/muscle/skeleton overviews and measure the proportions. Then simplify them into multiples/halfs of heads (Loomis) or craniums (Hale). Then build a mannequin. When you draw, begin with gesture, then draw your mannequin on top, then reapply gesture and put the details on top.

What do you think I should work on?

>>4257904
Forgot file

>>4257904
>>4257905
shading

>>4257899
well, that basically is what im doing. i make a box for the torso, and look for gesture between the spine and a leg, an arm w/e. its just that every time i do this the place i first put a pelvis box is always wrong. ofr with the girl in the lower sketch. i started with the triangle of the arm leg and back, and sketched the breasts in, and made sort of a round box for the torso where the traps and clavicle outlined the top plane. but when i actually drew in the arm, it was WAY too long, so then i had to drop the arm lower and cover the breasts, and then not i dont know how to draw the upper chest because in the actually photo that was covered. idk, i feel like im skipping steps by trying to do gesture. i feel like i should be learning each body part and how they're connected first.

I just started villpu's NMA course today. Any feedback?

>>4257922
Can you feel the form?

>>4257922
could you give an advice on getting to this level. your sketches look so good...

>>4257928
Come on anon, you and me both know, it'll amount to nothing.

>>4257926
Honestly I really find it amazing how much energy he manages to convey it's a very different approach compared to huston or gnass.

>>4257928
Generally speaking it was really awkward at first to draw the figure but I think steve hustons course is where it finally felt like it started to click for me. My biggest misunderstanding as a beginner was overvalueing anatomy and not putting enough emphasize on gesture and basic volumes so if I had to start over that's where I'd spend more time early on.

>>4257943
To add to that I think I felt like I had to learn all the individual pieces like lego blocks and that If i just managed to make a complete collection of them that I'd be able to slot them all together and while that isn't entirely false I later realized that was entirely the wrong way to look at it.
I was to rigid in trying to draw these pieces in their exact perspective rather then focusing on creating a fluid whole without worrying about the exact shapes and measurements.

>>4257844
Started around past year december, stopped drawing around august and went back to it around october. Here's my progress so far. I have depression and feel unmotivated constantly, so both my progress and drawing are VERY slow. I'm bad at grinding fundies and I tend to maximum turd polish anything I do.

>>4257921
You have to refine your mannequin so that it reflects the actual underlying anatomy for the joints and landmarks. Don't just use a box for the pelvis if don't know which parts correspond to the points where the leg joints or spine connect to the pelvis.

>>4256137
So I really want to thank you. I think that's the kick in the pants I needed. I'm not that delusional though. I stated twice that I am going to read the sticky and get on the road to improvement. The truth is that your post really fucked me up and made me question myself and my hobby. But I have made visible improvement even in the last few months, so I know I can be even better. I love drawing too much to quit it.

>>4257943
>Honestly I really find it amazing how much energy he manages to convey it's a very different approach compared to huston or gnass.
I learnt the most from Vilppu compared to other online teachers

>>4257946
>last year december
>even stopped drawing for a while
>this good
Talent is so real jesus fuck

>>4257948
i know but thats what im asking. how do you do that.

>>4257905
everything

>>4257959
I love /beg/

>>4257959
Man, to be frank, my drawing skill is pretty low. I just overcompensate A LOT of my /beg/ shortcomings by spending hours polishing. I feel drained whenever I finish something and I still can't get stuff like hands right.
I also feel anxious whenever I start something new, so I also spend hours staring at crude sketches because I'm simply scared that whatever I'm going to draw will look like shit, so I end playing gacha or reading manga.

>>4257961
You have to do research on how the joints work, how the major volumes of the body are shaped, how they are connected and measure proportions of bodyparts.

>>4257971
Lemme see your first drawings bitch, just because you are good now doesn't mean you were as good as him in your first year. And don't you dare post a xerox.

>>4258006
Keep struggling you seething /beg/ instead of wasting time by asking for that shit, you should be focusing on improving.

>>4257946
Anon do you have a twitter or pixiv or a place you post most of your stuff?

>>4258013
I dunno, I feel a bit anxious about that, not sure if I'm good yet. So far I've decided just the name that I'm going to use online,

>>4257753
>>4257758
>>4257686
ok, so o already did practice boxes before, but i though that i have to follow drawabox way of drawing boxes. which turned out really bad.
Now how i draw boxes is drawing one plane/side.
These are quick boxes. should i still bother with the 250 box challenge ?

>>4258031

These are old ones like 3 months ago

>>4258022
Do you have a discord then anon?

>>4257956
I'd like to congratulate you on your devotion. You've definitely shown your love for drawing despite that response. Your skin is thickening! Keep it up, anon, you'll make it.

did this from imagination after being inspired by kishimoto's art.

>>4257686
these are all useless because this guy didn't bother with trying to create consistent planes, right?

Am I constructing correctly?

>>4258048
fuck, forgot to flip
anyone know a good ol' reliable flipping website?

>>4257686
Do Dynamic Sketching instead

do you guys think about your lines before putting them down? or just 'do it'? if that makes any sense

>>4258069
I mean are these really that bad?
>>4258031
>>4258032
and I already checked dynamic sketching you also need the knowledge of perspective and be able to draw boxes and cylinders in perspective.

>>4258069
Just to clarify in this >>4257686 i was using different way of drawing boxes thats why they look scuffed

>>4258092
>and I already checked dynamic sketching you also need the knowledge of perspective and be able to draw boxes and cylinders in perspective.
No you don't, Dynamic Sketching starts from zero.
>I mean are these really that bad?
I have seen worse, but why would you do the worse copy instead of the original.

>>4258037
I have, but very rarely use it, just to keep in touch with a gacha group.
Well, I think it's worth a try so I created a twitter and a Pixiv, will start to dump my stuff here start to dump my stuff when I get time for it. Can't promise there will be a lot of stuff since my productivity is quite slow, one drawing once in one or two weeks.
https://twitter.com/SpokenWolv
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=46186593

I'm not sure about using twitter though, they are pretty anal about NSFW stuff. Actually, I don't even know how to post NSFW stuff without being banned there, have to check how to do it later. I feel safer about Pixiv.

Can I start with Vilppu as an absolute beginner? I've only done Dynamic Sketching so far

>>4258080
That's a tricky questions because it's going to depend on your exact definitions personally I would say that I don't actively think about each line in terms of its starting and ending point and rather it's become a fairly natural progress where I 'just do it". The exception there being if you really want to make one clean line for the sake of your final linework.

>>4258080
You should know WHY a line is where it is but the actual process of drawing it becomes internalized.

>>4258118
I started on Villpu just now (>>4257922) I personally feel that he's not the most optimal teacher to start with because while he's highly skilled his methods aren't necessarily the most methodical for a beginner and he's also not as good of a "Teacher" as for example Steve Huston who to me feels far more able to give a very clear method while also addressing most of the questions and concerns that might naturally pop up in your head.

>>4258106
Ill contact through pixiv sometime within the next 24 hours anon.

Got a headache from all those boxes so here is some gestures

>>4257561
almost out of beg id say, work on ur detail and desing now

>>4258130
I'm looking at his Vilppu Studio Drawing manual which looks like it was made for beginners, so I'll start with that

>>4257486
>>4257477
>>4257473

everyone says to focus on an area you have trouble with, but I have so many issues, i dont know where to start. I'll draw something quickly so we can all laugh.

My name is Mike and I like figure drawing but I always draw them with the wrong proportions causing them to be off balance. Any tips?

>>4258331
Fuck off bitch. Mattesi knows his shit.

>>4258255
so yeah, i just drew something really quick, one that I used reference and one that I didnt, i find i approach things differently everytime i do something and I want a more solid foundation before I can do anything else.

I also made a nice webm gif thing

>>4258342
so this is the link to the webm, you can see my terrible process.

gfycat(.)com rectangularselfishauk

>>4258402

>>4258403

>>4258404

>>4258176
Dunno about other instructors but it's so obvious when someone learns from Huston.

What tutorial would you recommend to understand the hole around the eyes and the correct brow placement?

>>4258414
No tutorial will teach you that, you have to observe it. It'll click though, it's a hell of a lot easier to understand than understanding how the features wrap around the head.

>>4257871

post ref

>>4257687
Not him but I’m not enjoying the process at all... I wanna go ahead and draw my waifu NOW and having to do the fundies and shit is really getting to my head

>>4258444
Maybe you just like the idea of drawing.

How do I make colors brighter with grayscale?

>>4258444
>I wanna go ahead and draw my waifu NOW
Then that's exactly what you should do. Apply what you've learned so far when drawing your waifu and have fun.
Learn to not worry about the results, and just focus on doing better next time.
Is it sub-optimal compared to purely studying? Sure, but it's far better than burning out and giving up because you've learned to associate drawing with being miserable.

>>4258446
I like the idea of drawing, but my art is literal shit. I JUST WANNA IMPROVE, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH BULLSHIT IN MY LIFE. WHENEVER I THINK I HAVE FREE TIME, THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT POPS UP, AND MY UNHEALTHY ADDICTION TO THIS WEBSITE DOESNT HELP EITHER

>>4258455
Anon, you gotta stop bullying yourself. If you're saying things about your own art that you would never tell your mother about her art, you're making yourself miserable.
Compliment the things you did well, rather than nagging yourself for what you did wrong. It'll do wonders for your attitude towards drawing.

>>4258455
Good you admitted you like the idea of drawing, so find something else you actually enjoy.

>>4258451
Control your values better, use layer styles

How do I draw hair in ink?

>>4258473
Used like 3 value

>>4258475
Brush, unless you want to spend a lot of time hatching

>>4258478
When they said "control your values" they mean understand where and why you're putting them where you are, the rhythmic pattern of your values, and keeping in mind where a soft plane change and a hard plane change is. Don't get snappy with someone trying to give you advice, even if it is vague.

Working on xmas gift for a grill, her name is Clementine

Do you think its too creepy or can I get away with it?

>>4258342
>>4258343
give up

>>4258482
If you give this to her, I hope you realize the fate you seal for yourself, and I hope you treat her as best as you can.

>>4258481
I just don't understand well how to use value
Didn't mean to be rude
Probably is the base color that make every other colors gray

>>4258487
Well search up some tutorials, and look for some local classes. Build up your values, practice blocking in the values you see, in super basic shapes, you'll understand more when you try to do it. I recommend using charcoal for value practice since you can block in the shapes, then take out what you need to show the form.

>>4258487
I agree though it's natural to seem rude when dealing with learning to draw, shit is hard, just don't let that feeling let you not learn and listen.

>>4258331
400cc of anti meme injections and ocular replacements for you

>>4258130
Is huston worth buying if I cant find his stuff on piratebay? Willing to pay for it otherwise and will just screen record everything in a month, assuming downloads aren't available.
How is it vs just working through dobsons keys to drawing? Never done actual art lessons before.

>>4258444
And I want to shred a sweet guitar solo but I've never played a guitar so the odds of that happening are rather slim. Like any skill worth having you need to work hard to get the desired end result. Either that's worth it or it isn't.

>>4258517
Huston is great and even though the videos are available here somewhere ypu can download NMA vids through your browsers inspect feature if you're subbed.

how do I make my animals not have expressions?
shit is fucking impossible

>>4258517

CGP and >>4228784

>>4258331

you dont need proportion for gesture.

>>4258106
Dude, seriously, what material did you use to study? Do you have a list of books, videos or whatever you used?

>attempt to draw something
>it doesn't look right
>start over with something else
>repeat until I give up and go to bed at 4am

>>4257959

animu is easy mode

>>4257748
That looks awful. AWFULLY NICE. I love the way you make use of shading.

>>4258531

what you should is

>attempt to draw something
>doesn't look right
>analyze what's wrong with it
>find a way to fix and ask advice when stuck
>go to sleep at 4 am knowing you're one step closer to getting it.

>>4258531
what >>4258537 said

the actual learning process happens when you notice something is wrong and fix it

>>4258531
>attempt to draw something
>it doesn't look right
>continue to finish it anyway
>end up having fun because I didn't stress over the little things

I've found a lot of content recently that has given me a lot of inspiration but I'm not an artist. How do I let it out? I'm struggling to find ways. I started doing photography but it's been frustrating because I feel like I don't have the same control compared to painting or making music. I ultimately want to do something with audio/music and visuals. Drawing feels like the next step for me, for things like storyboarding, portraits, or set design. I've done some research but I know nothing and I wanted to know if anyone had general advice.
Please tell me to fuck off if I sound retarded, I don't use this board.

>>4257385

>>4258557
Fuck off. Just kidding, keep doing photography, it will help immensely with patience if you're doing street photography, and composition, which is really the main thing in photography. Just look at the books in the artbook thread, the ones that are the essentials in the pastebins in the op. You'll find a book or a few that really resonate with you and will get you to drawing.

what helps the best with perspective. My perspective understanding is absolutely shit. im debating whether i should just fuck with tetris blocks in perspective until something clicks.

>>4258564
Nice, I can tell you had a lot of fun in it, very soulful, you're going to be making cool shit in no time, even if you don't think it's cool.

>>4258570
things with things partially in front of them

>>4258557
pic related

(I still can't believe it's been 6 years since the video has been released. Time flies by way too quickly.)

How does coloring work?

>>4258528
I don't think I've ever followed any steps, that's probably why I screw up so much and struggle with basic stuff like hands.
When I joined /ic/ I've read the sticky, then for a couple weeks practiced drawing some references of people, trying to grasp the form/shapes. I have some PSDs with dozen of ugly layers with each one being a different picture or pose. Finished about 3 of these per day and would doodle some ugly stuff from imagination once in a while. I've read loomis and bridgman, but just half of it and never did any of the exercises from loomis, just some from brig.
Next I tried to copy some of my favorite artists. I kept screwing some stuff like the shape of the eyes and face, so I tried to trace a couple of them so I could understand the linework, shape, etc.
I """"trained"""" halftones by looking at some pictures and trying to copy them with my limited resources. I just use a tone brush I've created on sai but it's easier to use clip paint studio for that since it's what all professional artists use nowadays, plus you can do some cool stuff like gradient halftones.
One of the things that helped me the most with halftones was tracing one of poju's drawings, then I tried to replicate the toning (or whatever he did)

But tl;dr, I just go maximum turd polishing at whatever shit I draw so it eventually looks better than something from /beg/, but I'm still /beg/ as fuck and I'm still going to be here for a long time. I also pose a doll to use as reference for the first few minutes of what I'm going to draw, it helps so at least I get the size of each limb right.
But I'm also shit at using references, so I need to draw the 95% of whats left, and that's the hardest part.

>>4258595
Study how light works, and replicate it with charcoal, or graphite. Coloring is pretty much advanced light. I also want to say that this is top tier

>>4258545

>it doesn't look right
>end up having fun

>>4258475
Light hair - hatching where it's connected to the head and darkest areas.
Med hair - hatching with different values.
Dark hair - black with highlights being white.

It also depends on the style you use.

>>4258605
>Birdgman
This, if you're looking to improve your figure drawing study that. His approach to drawing gesture with straight lines is a solid foundation.

>>4258475
blog/ig? looks awesome

>>4258595

values VALUES! values creates form. Colors is not as important as VALUES! Learn VALUES! then you can slap any color in existent if you want.

VALUEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

>>4258605
>One of the things that helped me the most with halftones was tracing one of poju's drawings
>poju
Who?

>>4258607
If you don't have fun why even draw? I understand that sometimes it gets stressful, but if you seriously don't enjoy it and force yourself why are you still casing suffering?

>>4258617

yes. you need to suffer. the fun starts when you things finally click.

>>4258605
>I've read loomis and bridgman, but just half of it and never did any of the exercises from loomis, just some from brig.
Which one from Bridgman in particular, if you don't mind?

>>4258619
how do you get things to "click" for you?

>>4258622
Bridgmans Complete guide to drawing. I actually need to read it again and practice.
There's a lot of stuff about anatomy on it, but try to get the whole form, rhytmn and other stuff done right first.

>>4258631
>Bridgmans Complete guide to drawing.
Thanks!
I'll start with perspective though because even I shouldn't fail at that (Ernest R. Norling's "Perspective Made Easy").
>form, rhytmn and other stuff done right first
pic related
I have no idea what you mean.

I'm creating some ant enemies for my game, are there any glaring issues?

>>4258627

practice your fundamentals.

I've been trying my hand at watercolors and following this tutorial.
I know I fucked up bad, so any critique to help point me in the right directions from other painters would be highly appreciated.
This is the first one I did based on this tutorial.
https://youtu.be/2HpdzfPvuFM

1/2

>>4258669
This is the second one, it's nearly finished, but I started to feel unconfident in where it was going so I wanted to get feedback for how I can improve.
This is the video I was following for this one
https://youtu.be/BT1ltIMhbwE

Time to separate the GMIs from the NGMIs with one simple question.

-You are using a graphite pencil on a white piece of paper. How many colors are you working with?

>>4258678
the dick needs to be girthier and wider

>>4258677
An infinite amount.

>>4258677
bout tree fiddy

should I stick to using only a pencil when sketching or switch to a pen? i always get my paper filled with half-erased drawings

I was sort of a newbie when drawing stuff like this

that's what I think to change, is to make the thickest cock

Recently started something with a character of mine, does the shading on these hands look right? Trying to make the fingers not blend in too much

Hair is something I havent put time into studying yet, right now im playing around with shading and blending.
Could you guys share tips and pointers for how to blend and shade this better? Thanks in advance for the advice.

Today after drawing for 3 hours I went to the grocery and I couldn't stop seeing construction lines on the heads of every person I saw. Is this good or normal?

>>4258699
suicide

>>4258678
based coomer

>>4258683
Please disregard this idiot

>>4258342
Please continue. I'm sensing potential there.

>>4258435

>>4258669
>>4258672
for one, you're using shit materials. You have to use cotton based paper and high quality paints.
anything you do after that will be a 100% improvement, bc as it stands now your paint is super clay rn. Second one isnt terrible, you just really need to use more water and better paints, bc too blotchy

pie anyone?

>>4258717
happened to me when studying the skull as well lol

>>4258811
Thanks.
What should I look out for when buying paints?

>>4258669
also tried watercolor today
I want to learn wet on wet too but I'm having massive problems with just wet on dry.

>>4257871
Hey man there are some inaccuracies try the block in method, it helps to think about it in simple terms of angle and lenght as opposed to preconceived notions of where things are supposed to be.
https://youtu.be/9BqD38TQGjo
https://youtu.be/x4Kb7ycp7OY
The form of the skull is turned to the left while the facial features are pointing directly at the viewer, they should be aligned. It's pretty common and again a problem of your brain having it's own notion of what should be there rather than what is actually there.
Your Values are pretty crappy, too much variation within value-groups and poor range. Clearly define your shapes and then fill them in with a single uniform value of the proper range.
Try to keep things simple, limit yourself to maybe 3 values. Practice that by trying to keep the pressure you put down on the paper even.

You can start with gesture and perspective any time, it helps having some understanding of form before you start gesture tho.
I'd suggest staying away from proko and start with someone else first as far as gesture is concerned, since I've seen a lot of beginners approach his gesture style as if it's just simplified contour drawing.

More cube interactions. Now with little cubes growing out of the cube.

>>4258950
Thanks bro, really good advice

>>4258976

I wish those cubes interacted with your head

>>4258976
Use a ruler for perspective before you try to eyeball it.

>>4258683
that's what I think to change, is to make the thickest cock

>>4258733

>>4259004
>Use a ruler for perspective before you try to eyeball it.
He did before and I told him to start doing it free handed because the line tools were only making him more confused. Yes it doesn't look as good but doing it freehanded is actually better practice to learn it.

1h of Asuka sketches
please say SOMETHING

>>4258678
Are you seriously /beg/ or you are just fucking with us her? (pun intended)

>>4259067
Good job!

>>4259067
>say SOMETHING
uhhh rei > asuka

>>4258678
in the meantime...

>>4259067
misato is best girl and you know it’s true because you gave asuka her body

>>4258678

>>4258606
>I also want to say that this is top tier
You must NOT mean my coloring?
>>4258613
>values VALUES! values creates form.
What do you mean by values? Like, not finger banging a girl on the fist date?

>>4257946
How did you study?

>>4259067
proportions all around the place
ask some nice anon to redline, I'm not animu loser

>>4258678

Should I finish it up, or would it be just polishing a turd?

>>4258678
feministboy look your draw

>>4259115
Where is the light coming from?
Also, finish it up, you don't wanna become the eternal /beg/ who never finishes anything. Your first finished drawings will always be turds, no matter how long you wait until you try finishing something.

>>4258678

>>4258678
this is not beg

>>4258678
I loved your art...

>>4259067
I wish I was in love with an animu character enough to want to draw them so often
Maybe it would give me motivation

>>4259067
ahhhhhh

>>4258998
This looks wonderful.

>>4258998
I agree this is wonderful. if you can go over it or redraw it in ink without fucking it up it would be even better.

>>4259127
>Where is the light coming from?
At first it kinda supposed to come from above them, but nw I see that I kinda fucked it up in the process. Will try to fix it as much as I can and finish it up, then move on to the next piece.

Thx for ur reply!

Hello how is this?

>>4257660
Because you don't have a good perception of shapes in space.
Maybe you're not made for this, no big deal anon, you wouldn't know if you don't try.

>>4258678
Didn't think I would ever find a talented coomer, but I did.

Born for cooming son, keep it up

>>4259259
Like most memes, “coomer” carries with it more than a tinge of irony, and it’s not always easy to determine whether it’s being used flippantly or to actually deride men who masturbate.
EJ Dickson, Rolling Stone, November 2019

>>4259173
>>4259067
Keep it up man you are getting better!

>>4258678

>>4258678

>>4259156
Based

>>4259067
Worst girl

>>4258678

>>4258678 the coomer talent

>>4258678
but look this work of art!!!

>>4257385
I keep drawing heads too big and don't want to rescale it every time. Help.

>>4257574
Many such cases.

>>4259281
"Call a jack a jack. Call a spade a spade. But always call a coomer a normal person. Their lives are hard enough, and it never hurts to be polite."

>tfw beginning to feel the form

I started drawing seriously around 9 months ago, but took a break 6 months ago since I am a lazy fuck, but want to get back on track. I was mostly drawing bland bodies without faces as anatomy studies and rarely "full" drawing. I've also started studying colors just very recently and I can't still draw a face. Should I unironically start studying Loomis? Studying perspective and foreshortening first? facial expressions and the head?

>>4259390
Can't go wrong with Loomis, because it's just instruction
Concerning the head, I've seen lots of people make great progess with the Vilppu head construction videos

>>4259395
>instruction
construction*

>>4259420
soul

>>4259422
do you mean my art is soulless or it possess soul?

>>4257495
LEARN

PERSPECTIVE

How many times do we have to tell you that your boxes all look like fucking shit?

>>4259420
cute

>>4259381
I remember my first time.

For anyone not able to feel the form: Just wrap lines around a bunch of cylinders after learning perspective. Also draw a ton of boxes.

sometimes I feel like I have the form
then I panic about the next one and lose the form

>>4257686
250 box challenge is useless without knowing perspective.

Marshall Vandruff --> Take Notes.

Then you can draw all the boxes you want. Otherwise you'll just arbitrarily drawing boxes without really knowing why the fuck you are doing them for.

Hi everybody,

>>4259428
the latter

>>4259173

>>4258678
Nice!!!

>>4259070

>>4258176
Even when drawing simple or unfinished gestures, dont shy away from including the hands and feet in every pose.
Every hand you draw in a gesture is one less hand you'll have to draw later to get good.

square robot thingy
how the fuck does smoke work

what's the point of gesture drawing

What are some aspects that I can improve upon? And yes, I do notice that the two segments of the right arm have different lengths.

>>4258475
I'm not sure with that thin line style in your pic, but brush pens work really well. I usually only ink with brush pens.
https://youtu.be/7biI9qGKYD4
Go to 15:22
Vid related is a quick way to get started with inking with brushes. At the end of the video you can see him use it on a character.

>>4259574
Nevermind, it's a dumb question the longer I think about it

>>4259574
It's to get /beg/s to waste their time while us gainsgoblins get to feed on their misery

I want to draw SFW and NSFW but how do I avoid staying in one drawing style so much that both SFW and NSFW can be easily seen as made by the same guy? don't want people who only watch SFW find out know about me doing NSFW and viceversa

So i have been doing gestures from reference for a while now though i would do one from imagination a lot of lines and properly off proportions and light is off too, but kinda proud of it.

>>4258699
The shadow should not just be a darkened version of the surface color, it should be the color of the fill light/ambient light of the environment.
Skin especially can have a huge range of colors when affected by lighting.
It looks like you started blending too early. Nail down a flat, basic shape of the shaded area first before trying to smooth it. Lighting is all about starting with huge shapes and getting detailed from there. You need to have an idea of where that light source is coming from and then just draw the terminator line where the light stops and shadow starts. You need to understand the form as well.
The simplest way to approach it is
>hard airbrush the large shape of the shadow
>this becomes a colored multiply layer (use the same color across the whole drawing. This won't work for all colors but it will get you 70% there)
>soften the line between light and dark with a mid tone, which will most often be slightly more saturated than either the light or dark areas

>>4259604
I would imagine there will always be tells unless you really go out of your way to do something wildly different for both.

>>4259574
>>4259590
i wanna say it's so you can quickly get a figure on paper and then correct perspective/posture mistakes before you devote time to detail

>>4259620
this is why I like gesture drawing, it's not just great for drawing from a reference, but also for character design, drawing from imagination, etc. basically a framework for everything.
for >>4259574

>>4259604
people don't care, trust me, mostly because people saw what the want to see, so if you have two accounts one for normie things and one for porn.. if people just want to see one they just don't gonna watch the other one, sound pretty stupid and obvious, but that's how it is. Because they are only random people that are not attach to you in any way.
The only exceptions are when you are pushing the two shits too hard, for example; if you want to go high level in porn, but you also want to get high level in normal market things, then if you are a shitty person, your followers will be as shitty as you so is gonna be a problem, but if not, then no ones cares, unless you draw really fucked up shit that scare the normal market, like underages or bizarre fetishes.

Even if you are that paranoid about the topic, then just make simple variations of your artstyle, normies can't tell the difference anyway. For example in the SFW shit just draw standard porportions people, and in the NSFW shit just draw thicc girls and massive melons and asses, things like that, or in one use an more classical way of painting, or sketchy in the lines, and in the other more like 2d anime with flat colors and shading, or in one just humans and in the other the same plus anthro, etc, etc

>>4259631
Yeah true, honestly when i first started i had no idea how to start or the process, the only problem now is i can't take this any further because i have 0 knowledge of anatomy, gonna start learning it when i get good enough at perspective.

>>4258678
beg you have done it ahhhhhhhh

>>4259654
why not do the Hampton course
The first chapter/lesson is gesture drawing and it's building on that

>>4258678
you hurt my feelings...

>>4258715
I like your drawing. Maybe you could go a bit harder on the shadows next time, like have a little under her arm so the center will be brighter, making the light look like it's facing her. I say that 'cause it'll make the picture kind of pop, as if there's a whole other world in your picture, but you can only see what's in frame. I know that's a weird description but I'm bad with those so please forgive me.

what's a good beginner drawing tablet?

>>4259679
I hate the fact that I can heard that gif

>>4259621
I figured out the "dont use darkened version of the skin color" thing earlier today lol, but yeah in retrospect it's way too muddy. Plus I did get ahead of my self with the blending/rendering. I originally wanted to make sure the hands and face didnt blend in too much early on but I should've saved that till later. I probably didn't in the first place cus the colors blending me bothered me somewhat but I did get carried away nonetheless.

Also just to be sure, you're referring to pic related (for the most part) in your greentext right? As for the multiply layer part, I'm using Krita which I'm somewhat new to, so I don't know entirely how different it is compared to Photoshop, if at all.

>>4259448
What's wrong with the cube ?

>>4259763
what's the science behind the transition color

I tried fixing the eyes but everything looked off,any suggestions?

>>4259577
did you do loomis?
The left arm(from our perspective) looks completely dislocated at the elbow.

>>4259577
this looks comfy

Is gesture actually useful or is it just a meme?

>>4259839
fuck you

Gesture studies for today

>>4259671
Hmm i did his book and course but i couldn't progress into anatomy his drawings in the book is so complicated for me i guess because of my lack of perspective.

i feel like i can't draw certain emotions how i want. i know, its a dumb thing to say, but i feel like i can't get it to look right in a scene.

i think i hate traditional too
i keep erasing mistakes and wishing i could just layer on top of shit instead. i spend a whole page just trying to get shit looking "ok" at best and then i have to erase lines i was using for guides and work from there.

Is it bad that I’ve been stuck on Loomis heads for about a month now? Pic related; it’s my work

>>4259847
>I’ve been stuck on Loomis heads for about a month now?

didn't work today cause of being tired so i practiced somewhat on the body. i tried to at least complete it and draw Adam in the garden but wanted to know how i'm doing(body wise)


was studying bean method(still don't get it) and other things

>>4259855
>>4259847
But are they at least decent?

>>4259858
no

>>4259864
AM I STUCK IN /BEG/ FOREVER???

>>4259866
yes

please rate my feel chad

>>4258651
>I'm creating some ant enemies for my game, are there any glaring issues?
cute you should also post in /vg/'s agdg or amateur game dev general if you are working on a game, friend.

>>4259070
Better than 60% of ic but 90% of ic is trash

>>4258678
so, is this beginner?
i mean, i'd think you are above that, like WAY above that.

>>4259966
I am a beginner, I started practicing with Loomis classic drawing, after learning comic, I continued with manga now I am with cartoon, I use the techniques of
gesture, but it makes me funny to draw hentai and porn cartoon.

>>4259763
Multiply layers are pretty much standard across programs.
And yeah, that's it.

>>4260099
Ah cool, also when I make a multiply layer why does it make what's on it transparent? Or at least show drawings from layers it's on top of, if it's not technically transparency.

Also, nice double dubs.

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/basic-planes-of-the-head-andrew-loomis-a4b1f1ea5a1b49718dc6f03f606d5d76

Is it ok to use 3d models to study the head?

>>4260416
No it's illegal

>>4260416
Do whatever you want but don't complain if the feds knock on your door

Tried drawing without construction to focus more on values. Or is doing bw and then colour just a meme?

>>4261299
>Tried drawing without construction to focus more on values
Good values have good shapes. Construction is the form and shape design phase of your drawing.

Hdhehidjbrjfifn

Did a second attempt at >>4258672
But with a different set of paints in one of my other sketchbooks.
I think it turned out a lot better, but I still have a lot to improve.
I've been looking for recs on solid watercolor sketchbooks and found out about a company called Kadhi papers so I'm ordering one of those soon.

>>4258672
what are you drawing with?

I feel like this is /done/ but is there a way I could improve it? of course aside from just being a better artist lmao

I know proportions are wrong, but i'm really trying to learn female anatomy. Any tips?

>>4262465
the bones on the big guys are the only thing that make me wonder about consistency with the style you're going for

>>4262465
personally, the lack of line art on background characters is a bit jarring, and makes the whole thing look like a work in progress. stick to line art on everything, or only value, but not a weird mix inbetween

practicing pinches+dynamicism+on-modelness with four

>>4263921
specific model used on the right (colors from show)