/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4251590
Cryptocurrency.

Could always attempt to tell them to give you an E-transfer or like mentioned above, crypto instead of going through paypal. Though I expect many people would not want to purchase something without any kind of guarantee that their money will be returned should there be an issue.

>>4251590
what do you mean scam with paypal? Am I in danger?

>>4251653
They can take their money back by saying it was unauthorized. If you draw NSFW you basically can't dispute it without getting banned by PayPal

Ask for half upfront, deliver the final art at least a month later.

>>4251590
Use invoice

>>4251688
They can't chargeback an invoice?

>client has never commissioned an artist before
>fanart of popular characters
>no invoice lol I send it to you, we save fees
>poor communication, doesn't use e-mail
>no upfront payment at all

>>4251755
Nope. It's tracked by paypal so they can make shit up about endorsement etc, unless... The client wants to fuck you up by posting your art nature especially nsfw.

>>4251887
*can't make shit up
It's safer to have different emails for each of your transaction and one solely for interaction with your client. Get to know your client at least a bit of their background and if you're unsure, just opt for amazon giftcards.

>>4251887
Wait so even if I exclusively use invoice I can still get fucked by PayPal? Is there any way around that shit or is NSFW just a crapshoot?

>>4251677
This but i ask for full payment then deliver a month later

>>4251899
the latter, I afraid.

I think it’s actually a pretty decent trade off for digital artists at least. the customer can rip you off sure but at least you haven’t suffered a real loss other than time. what I mean by that is: you haven’t ordered or wasted any material as a digital artist, just time. so they have wasted your time and effort but nothing material. yeah they can scam you, but as the consumer, you’re more willing to actually buy the thing if you know you yourself can’t be scammed. it is does seem unfair in a way but think about it like this: I’ve probably bought more things through PayPal (like stuff on eBay) than I have been paid using PayPal. I’m more willing to use it because I know the seller can’t rip me off, therefore I’m more willing to buy it in the first place. I would actually be far more worried about selling physical goods through PayPal than art, because you’ve sunk the cost on production and/or shipping. but to answer your question about not getting ripped off by the customer, I’d say just communicate very clearly and record every interaction. make sure to have lots of proof handy. charge using invoices and have them sign it. send low quality proofs they can’t use for much. and always attempt to get a 50% deposit up front and let them pay the rest when the work is finished.

>>4252050
>but at least you haven’t suffered a real loss other than time
Time has a monetary value when you're using it to produce goods.

>>4251590
you could always just hold out on sending the full work until the pay's through
on oils i generally ask half upfront and half when finished, though for digital i dont think that'd work

>>4252050
Oh and I bet if you worked a job, got 2-3 weeks deep, made it to payday, and then payroll made your check disappear because "someone reported to HR that you actually didn't show up to work at all, so we're not paying you anything" you'd just shrug your shoulders and go "well all I lost was 2 weeks of my time. Haha oh well!"

Doesn't matter that you have bills to pay or could have been working a different job that might not have ripped you off. Oh all you lost was time! You're not allowed to be upset about that!

>>4252050
Yeah, that's not a big deal if you can't pay rent or food. Who need that? Fuck society, you know.

>>4252091
>>4252095
you’re comparing doing real work to drawing porn commissions. it’s not the same thing, I don’t care. if a prostitute gets ripped off it sucks for her but it’s part of the business. you’re not paying taxes for the work you’re doing so there’s a risk involved. the downside of sitting in your mother’s basement and drawing fetish garbage instead of working a real job like the rest of us is that you may get ripped off by someone just as degenerate as you every now and then. seems fair to me. if you neets want to make fun of us wagies for actually contributing to society then you shouldn’t reap the benefits of job security.

>>4252505

"Real work"
"Real job"
"[Analogy to prostitution]”
"Mother's basement"
"Wagies vs NEETS"

Ad the truth comes out. Normies can't fathom the possibility of sustaining yourself outside of the fenced-in pasture they're being milked on, but they can always spare brainpower to resent and vilify people who made the choice to maintain their freedom. Cope.

>>4252505
I mean it's real work but not all real work is equivalent. I'd much rather get ripped off for a drawing I made than get ripped off for a week's worth of physical labour and these have both happened to me and I can tell you one thing one made me significantly more angry than the other.

>>4252609
id rather neither.

>>4252616
Aye it doesn't make other work less valid of payment and ideally it shouldn't happen at all but it's worth acknowledging this happens in other fields as well at a pretty large rate. Programming is another example where lack of research about your client often leads to not getting paid for weeks worth of work and time.

>>4252616
Alot of people complain that this is at large an artist's issue but it actually happens alot in all sorts of carreers and it is rediculously unfair. The only solution for such bullshittery is more strict labour laws but not everyone is going to believe that's the right solution.

>>4252547
yes that’s exactly my point retard. by choosing freedom you give up security. that’s the trade off dipshit. you can’t have both.

>>4252656
If you ask me I feel like there needs to be more ways to legally dispute lack of payment for your work. I don't really feel like people should be entitled to withdraw from an agreement simply because they didn't research the market probably and find something suited better to their needs. If you've made a choice to request work from someone and they actually do that work, I don't think it should be entirely legal to pay absolutely nothing. There should atleast be a base requirement of atleast minimum wage or average wage for the time required for work that is agreed upon to be guaranteed payment no matter what. For full access to the product is additional charges. And before someone says 'but you should only pay for something you want' I don't really feel like that's an excuse to make people work for free. If you buy a product with a no refunds policy and you found out later you didn't really like it, that's your fault for not being more responsible with your money. If people can be so quick to take a risk on wasting someone's valuable time then they can also take a risk with atleast paying a guaranteed basic wage for the time as well.

>>4252505
Cope you wagie cuck.

>>4252678
no, I don’t think I will. I’m going to continue making a decent wage and drawing things I actually enjoy drawing. have fun getting ripped off by your degenerate furry commissioners.

I've done about 50 commissions so far and I never had any problems. I only accept OC commissions from people who aren't new to this. I have a copy-paste text to outline the process that I send to everyone who is interested in a drawing. Answer all questions yourself (wait-times, payment method,
I can imagine most chargebacks happen because the artist didn't communicated properly and the client simply wasn't happy with the drawing, never saw a sketch or wip that needed approval.
That very rare instance where someone simply takes the money back and stops replying to you happens in every business that deals with digital goods and services. You can threaten them a little because you know their personal details but that's it.

>>4251677
>>4252023
Wait. They cant cargeback you after one month pass?

>>4252713
Basically this. You niggas are being overly cautious. Communicate well and make connections. If you get ripped off once out of 50 commissions then OK deal with it

>>4252505
yikes dude someone is mad they can't make buck as an "artist"

>>4252505
Spending hours drawing for someone else is real work. Sculpting for someone else is real work. Stocking shelves for someone else is real work

>>4252795
Yas queen all art is valid! my tranny porn commission is just as valid as michaelangelo painting the Sistine chapel

>>4252812
Finally an artist who says everything she means! Fag ! DICK !!

>>4252812
Why wouldnt it be?

>>4252998
>why wouldn’t it be

>>4252812
Validity is a made up concept. You only think that some small sliver of art is valid because you've constructed an arbitrary set of values that all art must adhere too pr else you get pissy, and even within that set of arbitrary values I'd be willing to wager I could find some absolutely disturbing porn that would adhere to almost every one.
The truth of the matter is that when you're comparing jobs or goods, the only consistent way to judge value is if someone is willing to pay for it and what the maximum they'll pay is. No job can be any less valid than another so long as they both are valued at the same price.
>>4253039
Being a sarcastic cunt won't win you an argument, nor will it let any of us understand how your dysfunctional brain operates.

>>4253039
Bad post bro

>>4251590
Draw clean works works only for unknowns, have a clear chain of conversation. Paypal doesn't immediately give the money back to the other person, they hold onto it and give you a chance to prove you did what was agreed. Most people who get fucked do NSFW art and that's forbidden by paypal.

There's some alternates to paypal that don't care what you do (I've known a few who use https://commiss.io/)), but they have a higher service charge. You could use one of those and charge them an extra fee for NSFW service charges.


>>4252759
It's 4 months.

>>4253039
Reddit posters pls leave now.

>>4253305
Quick question: If I sell someone NSFW art through another payment processor can I still get shitcanned by paypal?

>>4253305
How does that site operate differently than paypal in regards to paying the artist?

>>4252505
actually you do have to pay taxes, at least in the country i'm in, if you make over 13 thousand a year from entrepreneur or independent type work you have to deduct taxes from it and such. Because whether someone is making a living off of shitty art or professional art commissions its still considered as a type of enterprenuership

>>4252666
lol what is free-lance work

>>4253041
>>4253046
>>4253340

Jesus Christ, I generally just like laughing at you retards at a safe distance, this place is real entertainment, but this one made me poop from my nose.

You three guys are literally the baboon trio.

>>4253667
Anon you're the clown here. I'll name you giggles

>>4253667
>tee hee I'm so smart and enlightened. I'm far more superior than you losers
how often do you suck your own cock?

>>4252505
What I'm getting here is that we need art pimps to break the legs of chargebacking johns.

Anon I hope you know paypal will take 90% of your art commission money if you didn't do your loomis. They'll take half of your followers if you don't draw every single day.

>>4251590
when the fuck will there be a better alternative to paypal? i hate it so much
>>4251840
>tell my client they don't need to put a shipping address since it's digital goods
>puts a fucking shipping address anyway
this always terrifies me

>>4254845
>>puts a fucking shipping address anyway
every time. how can we prevent this?

>>4253667
>no argument
glad to see you kneel against me

>>4251653
Did you never see posts about some artists getting charge backs later down the line? You're pretty much trusting people not to do it.

>>4254845
>>4258086
Wait, why is this bad?

>>4258750
Paypal thinks that you're going to ship something physical. Then the person charges back and says that they didn't get a physical good and artist gets fucked over.

>>4258750
>>4258769
+ you cant withdraw the money until the buyer confirms that goods were delivered to him, but even after that the buyer can chargeback you if he is a cunt. PayPal is scamming sellers for mere than 10 years and works only in favor of the buyer. that's why so many people are using it even in 2020. but sellers are finally waking up one by one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5KkiOLG8GY&list=LL55X9UVMPIUi72rpRpaTGcg&index=21&t=0s

>>4253667
>but this one made me poop from my nose.
You need to be 18 and up to post here.

>>4251590
Blacklist the fucker.

>>4258771
You can withdraw the money immediately. PayPal can take it back from your bank account if they need to. You have to view the transaction details to add a tracking number after someone paid your invoice. There you can simply select "order processed, no shipping needed". Most people forget to do that.
You can remove your address from the invoice if it's not needed (still won't hide your identity)

>>4252505
fuck this is so dumb. i would throw a brick at your head if you came anywhere near me.

>>4252050
That's so fucking retarded it's an achievement

>>4258769
What a bunch of niggers. Thanks for explaining

>>4252050
weak bait cuckpal

bump

>>4252505
ok boomer