/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4252075
By being full of lies and bullshit.

Because you are being hand held by a teacher.
>does something wrong
>teacher: hey stop fucking doing that, do this
>weakness removed, does something else wrong
>teacher: hey stop fucking doing that, do this
>weakness removed, does something else wrong
>repeat until good

>>4252075
naw that's some bull lol

>>4252075
>tfw exactly draw like left
Does this mean I can still make it /ic/?

>>4252088
No.

Also how did you post this so fast OP, it was just posted. Are you a 3DSense marketer?

>>4252075
How is this improvement possible?

>>4252082
>>4252085
Actually I went to the source and there's a higher res image where you can see it's not that great. It read really good in the thumbnail though and that's all that seems to really matter.

>>4252103
clearly two different people, nice try.

Well, he said it's a before and after of a student that was in their program, not that he got to that skill ON the program.

By using references, color picking and by taking time to analyze what your are doing instead of just drawing without trying to understand what the hell you are doing.

>>4252121
Imagine explaining this to any one who's a starting artist.

Soulless vs. SOULLESS

>>4252116
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>>4252075
everytime Artgerm draws a full pose the anatomy is fucked so he does whatever he can to hide it with clothes and props so it just looks awkward.

>>4252142
>implying
Artgerm is great at anatomy. Post your anatomy knowledge in comparison if you think you know more.

>>4252103
genuinely dont understand what he meant by this

>10 months

>>4252075
Not here posting useless threads like this one on /ic/.

>>4252319
Are you sure? The before image looks exactly like the type of person that would.

>>4252084
that's...not how it works...that's not how learning works

>>4252326
It is how it works when you have a teacher. They're literally there to help you improve, correcting your mistakes and giving you advice are the most important things an art teacher can do.

>>4252329
No it isn't. Feedback is important, but fast improvement is not the result of handholding.

>>4252075
soul vs. soulless

>>4252335
If you're implying fast improvement comes from talent then there's some truth to that but realistically, hard work is the most reliable and the most time-tested. A good teacher is meant to keep you from repeating the same mistakes and instill you with good habits, the less mistakes you make, the better artist you become. Then you apply what you've taken from the teacher and put in the hours, repeat until not shit. If you somehow still suck, you might just be an idiot.

by dropping anime, obviously

>>4252075
>I paid to lose my soul

>>4252172
He is a retard having problems undestanding OP pic, that's what he meant to convey.

>>4252075
>taking people that have no artistic ideas or motivation for themselves
>turn them into one-method illustrator slaves
no shit theres so much soulless shit out there.

>>4252075
life drawing lessons and painting lessons, id presume

>>4252103
Naw thats bullshit

Her hips are weird to me. How are her legs connected? To her abdomen?

>10 months
Holy shit

He found an artist style he liked and copied the shit out of it until he learned the steps to achieve the desired style.

Not that hard. What if he spent those 10 months working on that one painting with someone holding his hand and helping him every step of the way? If you have enough time, you can draw anything

>>4252075
>students look better than his own

more like picking one of the students that studied 5 years under various chinese teachers and also happened to visit your course for a couple months

Where can i get someone to do handholding with me

>>4252715
ask your mom

>>4252075
>A quote that drove me quite a bit was during one of our industry talks by Justin. He was talking about how our work and rest should be balanced and how it is important to have a good night's rest. He ended the talk by saying:
>“Yes, we should all have a good night's rest , but tell me? if at the end of the day you don't do your work and the deadline is approaching can you really have a good night's sleep?”
Sounds like all you need to do is work yourself to the bone every single day.

>>4253024
>Yes, we should all have a good night's rest , but tell me? if at the end of the day you don't do your work and the deadline is approaching can you really have a good night's sleep?
Yeah

september 2019.
hadn't drawn anything in 10 years

>>4253080
october

>>4253081

october again

>>4253084
november

>>4253085
december

>>4252075
>how to lose a soul in 10 months and become a sakimichan clone #436934268979

>>4252075
Wtf is going on with the anatomy at the back

>>4253080
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>>4253088
These are horrifying. Please never post again

>>4253170
post your work.

>>4253172

>>4253193
Cool meme repetition breh

>>4253170
thanks!

>>4253080
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>>4253088
are you from MI?

>>4253380

i'd assume no... because i have no clue what MI is lol.

what is MI?

>>4253390
Mental Institution

>>4252075
How is THIS improvement possible??

They weren’t taught by artgerm either

>>4253555
>10 years
what's the big deal? sounds more than feasible

>>4253555
Very nice, that face looks dead though.

>>4253558
>they actually MADE IT and this triggers me

>>4253400
yes

>>4253555
That kind of improvement makes sense for 9-10 years. Hell you could improve that much in a shorter time if you learned properly.

Anyone else dreading that you fell in love with drawing only til recently, so you're forced to constantly put out low quality work for the next 5 years haha

>>4253634
>you could improve that much in a shorter time if you learned properly.
Every single time.

>>4252075
>10 months

>>4253689
Went from this >>4253080
To this in 10 drawings in 3 months >>4253088

I learn fast.

>>4253746
Do be honest I prefer your first one.

The value range is greater while the rest its all too narrow it emphasize the blur too much, like some newbie who discovered the smudge tools.

You know how atmospheric perspective works and the value range gets closer together and you start straining your eyes to see the details? It kind of strains my eyes.

>>4252082
It seems pretty plausible with some work and being spoonfed for 10 months straight, lad

>>4253746
delusional lmao
your art still looks like shit

>>4253754
2nd pic is at 15% resolution.
Cant post 4000x4000

>>4254001
Cope more you crab.

>>4253170
based

>>4253555
They didn't improve a lot, actually got worse as they lost soul, besides the colors are dead and it lacks volume. It is totally feasible for 10 years.

>>4254120
ok /beg/

>>4254127
pyw

>>4254129
sure, as soon as you go back to plebbit

>>4254131
>EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS REDDIT
welp, ill never get better if i focus on bait, see you crabanon

>>4252075
10 Months (Let's say there are 29 days in a month)

Draws for 8 Hours a day
= 2,320 Hours

Draws for 12 Hours a day
= 3,480 Hours

Draws for 16 Hours a day
= 4,640 Hours

Combine that with the fact that they're also getting critiques and actually taught how to improve rather than having to figure it out themselves, I can see how this is likely.

>>4254142
>drawn for at least 4000 hours
>still shit
FUCK

>>4254142
I don't think it's possible to work at a high level of concentration (actually learning stuff instead of mindlessly going through the motions) for 8 hours a day.

Or maybe I'm a brainlet.

>>4254001
thanks!

>>4252075
soul/sakamichi clone nº #9439

>>4254163
Self-taught + Infinite Amount of Hours ≠ Getting Good at Drawing.

If you want to spend that much time drawing, you have to go to a school or get a tutor.


>>4254164
Yea, I know. I used to do 10 Hour days but the only reason I was able to do this was because all I did was copy lines/contours rather than understanding what I drew.

It wasn't until I dialed down the amount of time I worked and spend more time studying from actual courses--while also learning the fundamentals--that I actually started to make improvements.

>>4253680
brainlet

>>4254505
Yeah it's really easy to just start thinking that drawing a lot = fast improvement. But it's not, and it's more dependent on what you do during your drawing time instead of how much you do it. Otherwise you stagnate and repeat bad habits, getting them more ingrained in your head through repetitions.

>>4254505
>fundamentals

yes, this is where studying fundamentals gets you

>>4253080
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>>4253170
These are horrifying, However, please post more of your work.

>>4254163
Well, did you just draw or did you also LEARN?

>>4252075
>>4253555
Notice how it's always some old doodle compared to a full finished painting. When people make these comparisons they always pick the absolute worst and compare it to the absolute best they've done.

>>4254125
>actually got worse as they lost soul,
Is this shit suppose to be a joke? You should be glad this is an anon message board so no one can bring up dumb shit like this again

>>4256098
its not done yet

>>4254798
>yes, this is where studying fundamentals gets you

>>4253564

This thread summed up.

>>4253080
doge
>>4253081
slothe
>>4253084
lizarde
>>4253085
shrom
>>4253088
birb

>>4253555
>They weren’t taught by artgerm either
Who is artgerm?

>>4254163
>>4254142

Experience ≠ Growth.

>>4252075
By not caring about improving. Just draw shit that you like. Learn to enjoy drawing.

>>4254125
>They didn't improve a lot, actually got worse as they lost soul

>>4252075
Why does the arm position with the staff feel wierd

>>4256888
first is a dragon
2nd is a shitty alien

this is a....

>>4254125
>eeeeeh well I don't see a single difference

:(

>>4256187
yeah, so?

>>4253085
This is a weird fucking ostrich

I would like to know as well, I've nothing planned for the next ten months

>>4253634
>Hell you could improve that much in a shorter time if you learned properly.
ah, so you have the secret formula that artists have been searching for all these years and have uploaded this patented course to gumroad?

>>4261571
It's called go to art school or motivate yourself to do focused study every day and show your work to people who will critique you honestly. Get advice from people better than you, too.

It's not hard to figure it out. It's just hard to do and everyone on /ic/ wants to be skilled without putting in the hours to get there.