/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4244811
great image

>>4244811
Ok

last post didnt get interecations, what are some good cholth refferences?

>>4244818
Fashion blogs. Photos of statues with drapery. Photos of people in drapery. Drapery. Hogarth book of dynamic fabric and drapery. Forms. Values. Drapery.

>>4244818
are you emulating the jojo style?

>>4244822
FUCK ITS STILL SHOWS, IVE FUCKED MY SESNSE OF STYLE SO MUCH THAT ANYTHING THAT ISNT IN THAT STYLE JUSTBLOOKS UGLY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4244821
the thing is that when i look at very cool very complex reinassnace sculpture drapery my nuggetbrain collapses, and i just end up thinking of it as 2d

>>4244815
>chatting with friends about 4chan
>saying "based" outside of 4chan (or at all for that matter, Lil B didnt deserve this)

Ishygddts

>>4244811
>that comic
you MONSTER

>>4244831
is the /ic/ equivalent of lifting for your waifu

>>4244414
>>4244415
>>4244467
Thanks anons. I study eyes and how they wrap around the face but I guess it hasn't clicked yet. And upper body anatomy isn't my strongest skill. Yeah the pen is messy. I kind of like it but I'm still finding the middle ground between too messy and too clean. I'll get rid of the texture for next time too.

Recently got a drawing screen to make improvement in every aspect a lot easier. I never colored my work (part reason why I got a screen) and haven't dared to try a lot of new things like doing clothing before. Can anyone point me towards anything related to painting/coloring? Criticism on what I've already done is always welcome. What I can see is that the hood is definitely not affected by gravity.

>>4244823
This is why everyone recommends to not do stylized stuff before getting the basics down, all it does is build bad habits.

>>4244866
the hood doesnt follow the shape of the cranium and im 99% sure that u are using the cloth on his face as a crutch to not having to draw the lower half, i can tell by how bad the structure is where the neck should connect to the head

>>4244870
i think that in my case is more the fact that its been inbeded in the way i draw in a subconscious way, ive always seen people that only do anime studies or that think that the dont have to do real life studies because they draw in a stylized way, but i can tell you that ive done my fair share of real life studies, its just that i stylize it without even know it

What do you guys think?

>>4244877
the chin and brow are a little bit fucky and there is no keystone, but i can tell youre on the right path

>>4244872
Actually no, I'm completely fine with drawing the lower half. I put the scarf on to practice basic folds, but I understand where you're coming from with the neck thing.
t. same

>>4244881
not that anon who drew that but what's keystone?

>>4244883
the connection between the brow and the nose, it tilts slightly downward and its a big part in building the face

>>4244887
i cant redline it, but if there was a keystone it would push the eyebrows up and make the curvature of the brow and the way the eyes sit in the skull more noticeable

>>4244882
>>4244872
Turns out he has a really long neck but I just wanted to do this alternate one real quick.

>>4244883

Is Chris Chan living proof that "just draw lol" isn't valid advice?

should i be colorpicking the ref when i learn value to get the feel of it or just guess till i get it right. i just started doing greyscale desu i feel like when i do go back to color ima still pick the wrong ones

>>4244913
chris chan is an outlier to any human quality

>>4244811
bros, why does using a reference feel like cheating to me? i know it's not, but i feel like a more accomplished artist when i draw something from memory/imagination, even if it's not as good as something i used a ref for.

>>4244918
SDTUPID RETARD YOU USE REFERENCES TO STUDY, IF YOU WANT TO USE REFERENCES TO COPY BECAUSE YOU CANT DRAW ANYTHING FROM IMAGINATION THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM NOBODY GIVES A SHIT


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>4244927
you aight bro?

>>4244927
this

>>4244887
>>4244910
Thanks, that's really helpful

>>4244828
A guy in my school actually says "based" in real life. Don't worry, I don't talk to him.

>>4244876
ok here are two other sketches in wich i deliberately tried to avoid that artstyle

>>4244975

>>4244975>>4244978

try to keep your proportions next time

>>4244981
yeah thse legs were kind of fucky, i think its because i used two different refferneces

>>4244914

Color picking is a crutch. Try to block in the values first till you get them right, and then you can blend and soften the edges If you blend before getting the values right, it will be much harder to adjust them later.

>>4244913

Nah, he's just stupider than the average person. You should be drawing, you know.

This aint too old- but im just lookin for some general feedback and thoughts.
also when do you stop considering yourself a beginner artist? or it it extremely subjective?

I tried drawing some more poses from imagination.

>>4245083
they look very nice, good job anon, except for that ass, it looks kinda strange

Wanna try realism but my paintings seem...foggy, how do i make things look more realistic?

>>4244927
FUCK OFF REFERENCE FAG I'M SICK OF YOU AND YOUR SHIT
I WILL DRAW FROM IMAGINATION AND NOTHING CAN STOPME

>>4245121
ta uma merda mesmo. pintou isso ai no celular?

>>4245132
Nope. It was photoshop

>>4244918
Basically what rage fag said but in a more reasonable demeanor. You can't hope to accurately draw something that you have not studied and you can't hope to properly study something without reference. Being able to draw from imagination is a worthwhile skill but drawing refusing to use a reference when your not already very familiar with the subject matter is just a false sense of accomplishment.

>>4245121
Use eraser to get hard edges.

>>4245083

It is weird because, while it is obvious you understand what you are doing and the anatomy is pretty on point overall, it still have that begginer feel to it, especially the first one. Not criticizing, just pointing it out. I do not know what it is exactly.

>>4245146
I personally think that's the gap between imagination and reference due to me not having drawn from imagination to much so far.

What do I do when my head just refuses to create anything good?
I tried to use a reference for a drawing so that I could get something simple done, but absolutely everything went terribly from proportions, anatomy and overall line quality

Feels like I just unlearned everything

>>4245152
If you don't have a tutor or somebody who can crit. your work, just grit your teeth and keep slamming until it looks ok in your eyes.

Eventually you will reach a point that you knew what you needed all along as long as you keep trying hard enough.

>>4245152
yeah you just >>4245165
the point is the self-criticism. The problem with a lot of begs is that they have a lot of ego in their minds, so their vision of the products they made are limited by the restrictions of their judgements. That's why you always see people who, although they say they try to "improve," always do the same, the worst cases is when they excuses that just build walls in their minds for improve, like "i draw the way i want" or "i draw at my own way" as excuses when they recive advice, or "that's my style", etc, etc.

So when you learn that drawing as all technique and form of learning, it has his peaks and falls, so you have to keep the discipline. You allways gonna feel like you don't understand something, but if you don't stop eventually you will overcome that, to just encounter the same feelings again in the next level, is a never ending route so if you control your ego and put your mind clear it will be all fine

I wasnt able to make this in time for the last thread so I hope the anon still lurks to see this. You need to work on your perspective and anatomy a lot before you get to the rendering but if you want to do it anyway here is my quick step by step process to make it easier
1.Lineart on multiply layer+midtone
2.adding local values
3.lights+darks
4.color layer to add color
This of course is not the only way to do it.
Hope this helps

>>4245146
i dont see what you mean, hes pretty good, the only one in wich i saw a drop in quality wa sin the left one

>>4245196
how do i get a mentor vro

>>4245208
The left one was done very quickly compared to the other two so that makes sense I think.

>>4245152
Even the pros have a dud sometimes, sometimes a drawing just has to be written off. Drawing isn't surgery, you're allowed to retry.

>>4245212
also

>>4245212
>>4245215
those look like effective thumbnails, but if they are finished pieces you have to get better

This didn’t get any critique last thread so I put it next to the 10 minute sketch. what do I need to improve on?

>>4245237
i dont see any issues, maybe the ear must be a little bit lower, but if you are able to hit this level consistently that means youre pretty decent

>>4245240
maybe the features should follow the direction of the face better

>>4245237
try applying some line width variation. Thinner lines should be the ones facing light and vice versa

It's the personification of Guinness.

>>4244818
Is that Erwin with the female Titan powers?

>>4245237

why is her collar bone all the way to the right?

as for everything else... it's stylize. anything I say is just a personal opinion. I think you might get some crit on /ALT/

>>4235131

Is it better to learn from Watts or Vilppu?

i think the way i hold a pencil makes me draw like shit. post hands holding pens or pencils

>>4245148

it's good anon. very clean. might want to spend less time on studies and more time on imagination drawing at this point.

>>4245211
Go out to your local town/city and find a teacher from an art class, if you are not sure about their quality just look at their profolio and see if they are competent in your opinion or not.

Alternatively if you can into introspection you can always just post your work on /ic/ and filter out the advice that are actually constructive. Comments here will sting but they won't always be helpful, if you are not completely retarded you will be able to find something useful here.

>>4245207

I like the original better. technically you're way better but the original have so much feeling that any technical error can be overlooked. If that anon improve his technical skill while keeping the emotion in his drawing his drawing would attract more people.

yours work as a concept drawing though.

>>4245273
Fine art? Watts.

Illustration, comics, animation? Vilppu.

>>4245227
i see.
thanks

>>4245282
the thing is he had a reference and struggled to finish the painting. I just wanted to help

>>4245271
lmao, this made me chuckle, no its just random woman

>>4245281
hm thanks fornthe advice,

>>4244913
"Just draw" is advice for procrastinators and overthinkers, like most of /ic/. Obviously you need to keep studying and applying or you'll stagnate like so.

trying charcoal

>>4244811
The animation thread is dead now, anyone in beg have animation crits?

how do you go from lineart to finished render and integrate the lineart ?

>>4245259
The personification of Guinness is a woman from Bavaria?

>>4244804
His Deviantart page also says that he's underage. And yes, I don't really know what I'd search in the archives to find it, but one time he got really fucking mad and basically freaked on everyone trying to help him, yet, he still has the guts to keep posting. Is pointing out a clearly emotionally unstable underage persons past mistakes bullying? Yes. But when he apologizes for his actions, I will stop.

>>4245478
I used to animate in fucking Pivot Stick Figure Animator, so, take my advice lightly. This isn't an accurate run cycle. His body is just floating, there isn't any weight to it. Anytime his entire body is off the ground, I'd think gravity would be trying to pull him down. Plus, it just isn't really "animated". It isn't exaggerated or bombastic, it's just really static and boring. Honestly, I am going to shit out a run cycle quick just to see if I can do it better, give me like 20 minutes.

Can somebody tell me what I should be focusing on and how?

The right few models are refferenced

>>4245478
>>4245542
Alright, so, here's what I got. It definitely isn't accurate either, but I feel like it has a greater sense of weight and "goofiness". I haven't even read any books about animating, but I assume they say stuff about it.

>>4244811
I feel this every single time I draw a character. I don't draw faces on them anymore.

>>4245478
And the limbs change sizes and it's really noticeable.
>But they do in your animation too!
Again, I'm not an expert, but I think it's less noticeable in mine because it's generally sloppier and it's a lot less stiff, so, it's harder to notice.

how the heck do you draw lips

how accurate do portraits/figures need to be for realistic/semi(?)realistic stuff?

>>4244811
OP if this is yours, thank you so much for this.

>>4245649
I'm still the guy who made this, I forgot to ask you guys what you think of these character designs.

My current wip, I know its ass but any tips?

>>4245661
thanks for the neck pain

>>4245207
This guy >>4245282 is a faggot, anyone who uses the "soul" excuse doesn't know what they're talking about.

Good job on the improvement

>>4245661
>4128x3096
>not rotated

Does anyone have any tips or a guide for coloring in digital. If it's necessary knowledge I'm using Clip Studio Paint. I'm not new to digital but I've never really got a good grasp on how people color images as well as they do or really all the perks on the medium as a whole I guess.

It feels all fucked. I keep messing up the eyes.

>>4244828
>Posting Ishygddts instead of 'I Shiggy Diggy'
I Shiggy Diggy

>>4245650
Cyclopses look cool, especially with the blue skin, but they make everything else look bland by comparison. Make the dude with the eyepatch more interesting; for the love of god just give him something more than a plain white t-shirt and jeans. Even if it's just a hoodie or a leather jacket or something, just make him less bland. The other two characters might as well not exist.

>>4244908
Way better anon.

Now study the eye socket area a bit. Look at the indentation of the eye socket, the bottom and upper eyelids, and the fleshy bits surrounding the eyelids (i.e. upper to brow, lower to cheek). Look at some old people, these areas are very pronounced and obvious on them. It'll help you get the values right.

You're doing well.

Anyone got a reference picture of a torso turning/twisting? Every time I look up 'twisting torso' in google i get a bunch of pictures of some gay building

>>4245760
this good?

>>4245792
nice, thanks
was specifically trying to figure out how the skin reacts to the change in form so this works perfectly

I am trying to draw a still life I have set up, but this shit is fucking impossible trying to draw it with the sketchbook in my lap. This may sound like a retarded question, but what's the best setup to start drawing stuff standing up? Is there such thing as an easel that isn't for painting, but for drawing instead?

I can't hold my fucking left hand up, mark how big something is on the pencil, then bring it down to my page and draw that length without hunching over like an asshole and fucking everything up.

Unrelated pic is a bunch of Ice Climbers I drew. Fucking love Ice Climbers.

You best be studyin

Any advice on capturing likeness?
What I've noticed is that incredibly subtle changes in key areas of the face can make a painting look like a completely different person. So far the only way I've been able to get close is by tweaking those little details again and again until it sorta looks right.
But there's gotta be a method to it, right? Some kinda insight on how human process faces or something. Or is it literally just "practice until it becomes intuitive"?

>try to draw heiniggers face 5 times now
>none of them look remotely similar
i cant tell if im either retarded or the picture is bad or what i am not understanding.

I think this might be the first thing I have drawn that looks like an actual person.

>>4245831
Symbol drawing: the picture. You need to practice more with drawing what you see instead of what you think you see. Do the upside down study that's explained in the sticky. You can do it with the chair man picture or with something you find interesting online. Do it with a grid or without. I will say the grid makes training your eye a lot faster, but once you're comfortable with grids you need to immediately stop using them.

Also be more confident in your lines. Draw more sketchy and then clean up the stray edges and shit if that's what you need to make a straight line or the right kind of curve.

When you can draw what you see accurately, study anatomy and forms more. What does a skull look like? What shapes do the muscles and fat deposits add? Where does the eyeball sit? Is the Iris convex or concave inside of the eyeball? Do studies to find out how these things are out together. Learn proportions.

It's a good effort you've made but you've got a long hard journey ahead of you. Good luck.

Any tips?

I can't seem to get the expression how i want to, she is supposed to look sad, like a puppy, but something does not look right

ahhh im feeling really good about this its just the face is getting to me

>>4245814
I remember from some video that the area around and between the eyes is the most important, and that triangle shape between eyebrows and the bridge of the nose.

>>4245650
Is the middle one a crossdressing little boy or is it actually a girl. Cannot tell. Not cute enough to pass as a trap.

>>4245831
Don't listen to >>4245840
Symbol drawing or line quality aren't the main issues here, it's proportions and placement of the features.

>>4245932
Look up pictures of the expression you want and notice why it looks that way.
Or just take a pic of yourself doing the expression.

>>4245925
u need to add some darker shadows.
is that hair or is she wearing a hijab?
>>4245932
i changed it alittle maybe it helps but im beg too

No cubes this time but an attempt an "interesting pose".

>>4245961
What is your end game?
What do you want to achieve as an artist?
Illustrator? Animator? Concept artist? Because you've been just drawing the same woman over and over again and I honestly don't understand where you're headed.
You are improving, but you run the risk of being able to only draw that same woman with the same features in the end.
I know this post might sound harsh, because I can see that you're putting effort into your studies, but I'm genuinely curious what you're planning to do once you can draw this woman perfectly.

How to draw fucking circles, I can't.

>>4245980
Just practice

>>4245983
Guess that's the only advice for something so simple. Thanks, anon

>>4245961

>>4245990
mokou man...

>>4245925
>>>>>>/beg/

>>4245961

>>4246004
stop

>>4245968
he has not improved by 1%
he is still drawing the same flat symbols for 2 months now or more

>>4245990
>real women can't have broad shoulders

>>4246015
Go back a couple of threads and you can definitely see improvement.
For one, he stopped drawing her in the exact same pose everytime

>>4245968
I'd like to be able to draw pinups. Not really looking to make a career out of it at the moment but that would be cool too.

When you say "same woman" are you referring to the body type? Because whenever I draw a lady I try to follow pic related as a reference. It's from a book an anon recommended I read awhile back. I assume once I am able to draw this in different poses I'll be able to stylize or exaggerate any way I want.

>>4246024
>I'd like to be able to draw pinups. Not really looking to make a career out of it at the moment but that would be cool too.
Okay that's cool, was just curious.

When I say "same woman" I mean that you should try to draw different body types, because it looks like you're just following the same formula for each of your drawing.
While it's good to have a certain way of doing stuff, so you can speed up the process of drawing, it does make your drawings a bit boring after a while.
I've seen your drawings in these threads for a few weeks now and everytime I see one it just looks more boring because in the end there isn't really that much different.
I like that you started to experiment with different poses, but try to treat each drawing as a completely seperate thing instead of just doing the same thing over and over again.
Maybe mix up the perspective a bit to get a different viewing angle or something.

>>4246017
still too big or the pelvis too thin

>>4246017
you're failing to understand his redline. the funny thing is your pic is actually supporting his statement and makes you look like a buffoon.

>>4246032
>>4246033
Jesus fucking christ stop being so serious.
I posted that pic in the hope someone would say
>real women
since that's clearly a dude in a dress.
you guys are no fun.

>>4244823
You don't have a style. Unless garbage can be considered a style.

>>4246034
>i was bredenting guise
>le funny obamas wife is a dude
>let me post his dong now xD

>>4246037
>proving his point
this board really needs to have sex

I dont know what to draw or how to practice.

>>4246039
STOP HAVING FUN.
WE'RE SERIOUS ARTISTS (citation needed)

>>4246039
>GOTTEM

I'm 43 days into nofap. I don't need sex.

>>4246047
You doing well anon, celibacy is the only way to exalt yourself above everyone else.

Kitty

>>4246035
damn, what a moron

>>4246047
>falling for antiporn christkek ideologies
lol

>>4246098
ok coomer

>>4245961
reference?

How do i get a copy of photoshop working for free?
I don't know any safe places to torrent or get a keygen.

>>4246222
Use gimp or krita, that’s your free version of photoshop.

>>4246222
there used to be a working guide, but adobe got to them...
https://www.google.com/search?q=reddit+photoshop+piracy

it was easy as fuck--download from adobe, then crack

>>4245949
Hair, but it's blonde so i fucked up
>>4246008
Actually drawing for less than 2 months but this one ended up ok

Is it a good exercise to grind mannequins like this or is there a more worthwhile exercise I should be doing?

2 years and I'm still /beg/ is this normal?

>>4246298
A guy like you should draw simple forms first.

>>4246305
Yes, everyone has a different pace at improving. Unless you’re like chris chan, then you will always improve no matter what, also pyw.

>>4246311
I really suck

oh no

Uhuhuh

>>4246314
No u dont stfu. also pedo.

>>4246305
It is unless you're actually going to art school. It's likely going to require 2000-3000 ish hours before you really get comfortable. So do it at your own pace.

the projection is intentionally orthogonal.

what i look for input on is how to draw the xeno's left arm so it shows that it goes outward, because the guy is really wide.

the forearm should almost be perpendicular to the projecting plane, but then 1) how does it reach the guy's arm and 2) how does that not look retarded?
how to draw this so the guy doesn't look flat?

>>4246340
what the fuck

>>4245685
Yea you're still thinking in symbols right now. Check out Hampton's stuff, mainly about the planes of the face so you can get a better idea of identifying structure and angles.

is marking your own art with your trademark pretentious?

>also how the fuck do I draw hands in literally any other position other than stretched out and fist

>>4244913
He is mentally disabled. That is a terrible example. GO DRAW

>>4246344
i hope it's not the sub-/beg/ artwork quality that revolts you but the theme itself. let's ignore that for now, ok? i know it's heretic, and NOT EVEN FUCKING CANON, you don't need to tell me about it.

>>4246222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ9uzYKJ2KY

literally first link on google
stupid retard

>>4246360
>is marking your own art with your trademark pretentious?
Nah

>also how the fuck do I draw hands in literally any other position other than stretched out and fist
Mostly just practice, try doing a lot of gesture drawings of hands and study the anatomy.
You can ofcourse construct the entire hand out of boxes but in my own experience that ends up making them look very stiff if you don't really understand the underlying anatomy.

redline /critic?

How do i make my drawings not look flat

>>4246555
LOOMIS.

>>4246558
Could you be more specific?

>>4246578
>>4246555
Not but drying drawing the character from an angle and/or practice foreshortening, different perspectives

>>4246555
the obvious:
>look at references to see more skin/muscle/etc distortions
>change lighting

cheating because you suck at color and shading/lighting theory:
>complex poses

I'm trying to learn 2D animation for my game and I started trying to animate UI elements, I made a spinning arrow but I think I screwed the motion? I did a pose at 0 and 90 degrees and filled half way in-between twice then mirrored it for a total of 16 frames but I cant do that for circular motion right? Is it supposed to have more frames near the ends since its spinning?

>can only reasonably draw when slow as a slug
>going zoomer mode makes me lose all control and everything
I don't know how so many people can do everything on a whim unless it's pure muscle memory. I don't particularly draw as often as I want to tell the truth. If I draw faster while dropping quality initially will it slowly help me catch up to how I perform when I'm slower or would I just be wasting time? I just want the activity to be more fun and engaging not a drag.

I tried to focus on just his face now but now he looks like asian Heidegger

>>4246625
It's just like any skill. You have to keep doing it every day till it's muscle memory.

>>4244811
Pls help me fix her up a bit.

>>4246639
well firstly cloth like that doesnt behave that spandex sticking to her fucking tits, they are far too shapely the shadows on the hands are too much as well when they rest of the piucture doesnt go that deep into shadows

>>4246628
You lack the basic theory behind pencil drawing, even though you have some eye for contours.

I can't be arsed to explain whole thing but basically everything you see in pencil drawing is a change in tonality, while you rely on very soft contour lines. A part of drawing where there is no tone at all is reserved to highlights. Right now most of this guys face is seemingly in blindingly strong light radiating from 360 degrees around him so you can start by applying a background tone and toning the major shapes (pic related) before going in to the details.

in what way is my drawing disproportionate compared to my refrence?

>>4246697
nice ref

>>4246697
The refrence

need some critique

>>4246635
I guess so. Shame I didn't prioritize this in my teen years when I had the chance.

>>4246723
Stuff like that comes from experience. You can do exercises to get more control over your arm but in the end it's all about mileage.
I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you've been drawing for a long time and still strugling with it.

>>4246625
unironically chicken scratch developed into longer form
i didn't tell myself to STOP scratching like is often the advice here
chicken scratch some long lines out my dude

Wtf am I doing wrong anons?

>>4246806
what the fuck is that even

>>4246811
It was supposed to be a figure. I don't know what the fuck to do. Why is art so fucking hard?

>>4246822
Because it is. Did you expect it to be easy?

Anyone have advice for shading with real colors.
With pure value its simple and just makes sense. When dealing with multiple colors and different hues and values though I get confused when to switch from one to another. If its just a matter of using a darker color I can do that easily, but that tends to look muddy.

>>4246811
it's a drunken naruto run

I never sketch bodies. I just draw shoulders up so this was my first attempt. Suggestions?

>>4244914
Values are relative. All you have to do is lay down a base and then determine if something is lighter or darker than what's next to it.

imm gey

>>4246017
Michelle Obama isn't a woman. Maybe this is bait but I had to say it.

>>4246806
It's a fucking stick figure

>>4246827
I expected it to be easier to visualize. This is stupid difficult.

>>4246862
How do I go from stick figure to full body figure? How does one visualize in 3D shapes?

>>4246833
Idk about real art, but in pixel art I've often heard that you need to darken and hue-shift towards blueish for shading, and highlights are lighter and hue-shifted towards yellows. (or the light's color if it's not the sun, I suppose.)

>>4246896

cubes cylinders spheres etc.

i'm braindead and can't wrap my head around the perspective of this mask for the pose i want
any idea for the top portion? i realize the bottom is elongated

>>4246916

the person is taking the photo looking up at the mask and there's lense distortion too.

>>4246921
nevertheless you can see that the topside folds backward and should have a sense of what it is, right? (something ovaler)

>>4246222
http://firealpaca.com/
is not as good but is free and works fine for starting

>>4246916
o i think i'm double braindead, will try just making a circle instead of of this bulbous headed thing

this is my last one

>>4246938
>Contact

>>4246771
I have been doing it for a long time but seldom. 21 now and started 10 years ago. Barely any of that counts towards my little experience I realize. Lack of thrill from frustration of taking too long to get something decent for my skill led me into long breaks/barely putting effort half the time. I never sat down, bit my lip, and press on with the fact that I needed to pump out dogshit and learn from it to make less dogshit at a reasonable pacing. I should be doing that now before age bites me in the ass harder than it already has. Just hate thinking how better I could have been now if I directed myself better.

Is the warm light/cool shadow thing a good habit to be in to? I did one portrait like that and the second I was truer to the ref. I think the 1st is more appealing/interesting to look at because of the colors, seems to draw my attention when they're both side by side, and it just seems to "pop" more. I was wondering what others thought.

How many times can you be rold NGMI before you give up?

>>4247053
no one's ever told me that

>>4247054
Must be nice. I get told that on this board weekly.

>>4245943
No it's actually a girl, she kept putting gum in her hair when it was longer so her parents just permanently kept it short. This was an intentional thing because she thought short hair looked nice and didn't want to have to fight her parents on it.

>>4245692
What about one of those college jackets or is that too stereotypical?

>>4246617
Center of the arrow would always be in the same spot.

https://darrigovalentin.github.io/

Look at this and spin it around.

First time i actually am starting to get into art, decided to try figure drawing and a little bit of shading. Nothing good really but i think its a start.

>>4247103
this is my reference btw

>>4246846
Resized. Would you ppl who know better about proportions and the body in general be able to tell me what to improve. I guess the girl on the left has a squished torso but what else?

>>4247103
didn't upload the resized one whoops

where can i get krenz tutorial on boxes?

>>4247058
What NGMI is supposed to mean:
>"With your current attitude and mindset, you will not progress forward and meet your art goals."
What NGMI means to retards who spout it all the fucking time:
>Generic Insult meant to put down others

God dammit. I fucking love to learn new shit and I feel like there's so much to learn, but I haven't ever finished a book I have fucking started. I'll get like a third through, then get turned onto another thing to learn from and try that.

Sorry for vague question, but what do you guys recommend I do and how the FUCK do I finish a drawing without constantly doubting if I'm "getting it right"?

>>4244811
Holy shit I made that comic almost 5 years ago.

I thought I was going crazy for a bit.

>>4245753
Thx anon, I truly I appreciate the support.

>>4245207
Holy shit thank you! My stuff has been kinda ignored in these threads so it made me feel real down. Thank you so much, for taking the time to even draw in response! Is my original ngtmi level or does it show any potential?

>>4247150
How's your work come along? Anything recent to share?

>>4247167
I wanted to be an illustrator, but gave up on that dream some years ago.

Thankfully I got a bit popular on youtube so I can make a living, although I didn't become as good an artist as I wanted to be.

>>4247150
You know that somebody else made a knock off from yours into some german animu that calls her creator an ubermensch and then spergs out sexually in german in the end

>>4247205
Seriously? That's amazing I want to see

>>4247205
You might be thinking of the original. I think the original comic is a drawing asking them to never be erased because they're drawn so well, while this one is a parody of that comic where the drawing is done poorly.

>>4247206
Fuck, I have to either sift through the archives or by some off chance happened to save it.

tips/thoughts?

How quick does it take on average to get from /beg/ to /int/

>>4247239
No one ever gets passed /beg/, because they assume that if they post in /int/ they're just going to get crabbed back to /beg/. Which is why you almost never see /int/ threads in comparison to /beg/ threads.

>>4247239
5 years. I think it's generally 10+ years though. It's just skewed by those who get it done in 1-3 years.

>>4247239
>>4247259
There are actual retarded /beg/ that post in /int/, they either get shit on for posting there or ignored.

can I get some feedback on this?

>>4247279
pretty sick

>>4245935
I quite like the face. Has a placid, content look.

>>4246045
Do you have non porn images of that girl? She looks like an idea for a character I have

>>4247279
Don't use 有毒的 but 毒 instead since it looks fucking retarded grammatically. Venomous doesn't translate well into English.

I like your design on the frog dude a lot

>>4247279
wouldnt the sword just slide out the sheath the way shes holding it
frog guy should be barefoot ,imagining him trying to stuff hes frog toes in those shoes looks uncomfortable

>>4247335
wait i just noticed can she even pull the sword out its pretty long

I'm starting to feel it. Have a lot more work to do though. Any tips?

>>4247235
>fish lips
>hiding half the face is lazy
>no cranium, small brain
>no neck
>massive gorilla shoulders

>>4247326
>>4247335
thanks a ton for the feedback, I highly appreciate it!

>>4245492
you can try this method ig?
well there are many ways to do that really depending on the effect you want, do you want the lineart to be hard and clear, completely invisible or maybe blurred just enough to not look like clear lineart but still outline all the colors well?

>>4245562
it's good that you're studying from references, but try to view the body as a set of block and circles, divide it into simpler shapes. it'll make it easier for you to copy the body parts more accurately.
also, your line is pretty shaky. go for confident, longer strokes. it'll make your work look, well, confident and a bit more professional.

>>4245980
even if you can't draw a perfect circle, i don't think a lot of artists even on /int/ can, it's fine, you can still do lots with it.
the pic is from the book "fun with a pencil" by andrew loomis

>>4247402
forgot the pic lol

>>4245961
Not a bad pose but I know you can do better that that Anon, use those lines of action before you start to render.

did i accidently drewd a pokemon and not know it?

>>4247305
i sort of see it but to me it feels like its symbol drawn and doesnt quite look like a real bears head

quick little watercolour I did because I'm making myself paint something every day and I realised I havent done something today yet

(I'll be happy if the shapes just make enough sense that you can tell what it is )

>spend 10 hours on a draw
>almost finished
>throw it away cause I don't like it
this happen to everyone, right guys?

Drew a Dwarf-lady to try out "different body types" like that anon says.

>>4247509
Used this as reference.

>>4247423
Do I start a the drawing with an action line?

>>4247314

I posted this in the last thread not realising there was a new one, oops.

I’d appreciate any guidance if possible, thank you

I cant even draw a relatively straight line without using ctrl+z half a dozen times, drawing something to completion takes ages. Am I just bad? Does it get better? Fuck man.

>>4247563
have you drawn in traditional before, what tablet

>>4247510
Different anon here but I would recommend against starting a figure with a line of action neccesarily and use it more as a principle in the back of your head then something you actually put down on paper.

>>4247501
It does. But you can try to take a step back here and there to judge whether or not its worth it to keep going and to make sure its headed where you want it to go. If you stare at something to long you can easily lose sight of how flawed something might be.

>>4247239
I think the most concrete answer would be 1000-3000 hours.

>>4247509
Good to see that you are trying new things. On this one you missed the shoulders, if she really is built like a brick then the shoulders are unavoidable to show with that flexing pose. I also can't see mt find the pectoral muscles which also need to be there above the tits.

Keep it up Anon!

>>4247109
Your shading is so messy. It's really unpleasant to look at. I really recommend doing some hatching tutorials. It won't take you take long to improve and it makes a big difference in your art. Maybe when you zoom out it doesn't make much of a difference but it's very unpleasant to look at as is. The random scribbles are not charming. Clean it up.

I used inktober as an excuse to get myself drawing more, and it worked! I’d like some help on how to shade and add texture when using a pen, as I feel everything looks samey the way I’m doing it here.

I do these on my phone with my finger
I don't take art classes or know anything about art really I just like drawing and painting
Any tips on what I should start doing to get better? Like idk classes online or challenges ect

>>4247450
This is very cute keep at it

>>4247629
Also that's an unfinished piece

>>4247117
help

>>4247510
>my backstory is that an elf slighted me once

>>4244908
I like her she's pretty. This would look better as a real painting like a water colour or inks.

>>4244913
You have the internet validating character design as creative/talented to thank for this kind of shit.
Character designers is what happens when kids born in the 90s grow up playing video games with shit character customisation and watching badly drawn cartoons and the only way they had to connect to something or some one was to pretend like their shit imagined OC would have a place in some else's recognised universe. Some of these kids actually learnt to draw because they were introduced to the prospect and motivated to actually make something unique once they realised colouring in traced drawings wasn't actually talented or creative, but people with the major autism or people who completely lack capability or willingness to practice never grow out of that phase of finding childish OC shit a good way to hope someone pays attention to your insignificant imagination.

>>4247686
'Just draw' Isn't bad advice one you take this into consideration; once you understand that many of these people don't actually 'draw' from anything worth while, but actually just try to copy some one else or imitate or slightly edit an existing person's art.
'Just draw' should be look at a real life object, or in desperate times, a photograph, and actually learn how to use your eyes to observe the visuals of a place or object and interpret that by using creative mediums. If you looked at a vase and drew that same vase everyday, you would get better at drawing that same vase. But never looking at something or observing something and trying to use your autist left brain to imagine something your brain isn't even equipped to imagine to begin with, you end up with shit like this, you will never improve.

So maybe the saying shouldn't just be 'just draw' but in fact, 'just look, then just draw'.

>>4244811
I've spent an entire month grinding Preston Blair a few months back, participated inktober 2019 and never finished it because of the uninteresting prompts and feeling a bit burned out and since god knows when I have drawn four to seven or eight doodles per day to the point of being at least decent-ish. Here are my best drawings. Let me know what you think and give me some tips and advices.

>>4247703

>>4247706

>>4247375
The ear is in the wrong place and that circle on the side of the head isn't going to do your proportions any favours. The ear shouldn't be further back than where the jaw ends. Put your finger on your ear, now move down. Feel the end of your jaw bone? that's not what the drawing looks like.

You've got big circle going on here with the head, but the relation to the circle and the jaw mimics to dimensions of a face from the side, this guy is forwards titled off. You need to remagine the dimensions of the head and neck and ear to actually fit a human head that is facing that direction.

>>4247709

>>4247713

>>4247716

>>4247717

Is Dynamic sketching any good for a beginner

>>4247582
Nice niggalo Now finish the arms in detail

>>4247629
Lots of people are good at art but don't practice like an artist. You will get better by simply drawing and painting more, but shifting up the process to match that more of a creative worker can help to make the process faster and more productive.
If you only work from your phone, you may lack a visual portfolio or collection of art to ponder on. You may glare at your individual images on your phone for a long time, seeking to find what could be improved or inspire the next thing. But really, on a holistic level, reflecting on your art works a whole lot better if you can make use of space and organise your images in a creative way that re-introduces you to what you're seeing in different ways. This is what you may be lacking by doing all your art on your phone. You can try:
-creating an online portfolio or sketch book
-actually making physical copies of work and arranging them on a pinboard/A1 pieces of paper.

This is where you can start to change up your process a bit. You don't always have to paint something new to make 'new work'. Change sizes of your other drawings. Try painting over them, editing them, get the scalpel out and collage shit,blow stuff up, make it huge and see how that effects your feelings and impulses towards the images.

Take notes, have a diary, tell yourself in your own way the thoughts that you have while your trying to process your work. A lot of creative thoughts that have huge potential will get lost forever if you don't record them, you can't rely on yourself to remember them long enough to take them to a finished painting.
This is the shit that they will teach you in some art classes. Having a tutor can seriously help, but you can possibly learn to do a lot of this stuff on your own. The only downfall is not having the commentary of other artists and the inspiration and reflection that comes from sharing your art with others and seeing what others are doing. That alone can make a huge difference in your process.

>>4247717
Three of my example drawings (Chuck Breakdown, Doug Walker Mole interpretation and also my Dog and Bird drawing from a slylock fox and comics for kids strip) were from November, the other four are just recent ones

>>4247731
Also, contextualise your artistic process. Find other art work that inspires you or find relatable. Or, find art that is historical relevant or modernly relevant. Reflect on why those artists made that art or how they made that art and see if you can relate your thoughts about their process to your own process. Adapt your process based on what other successful artists are doing or have done. 'reinvent' where the successful have even failed, or recontextualize what others have done to fit a new purpose or audience. Like how vivienne westwood took a renaissance painting and turned it into a corset.
Try to develop an iconography. When you've made massive amounts of work, try to observe identifying factors through out your work. What makes what you do recognisable as you? This will help you stay grounded when the art you make starts to feel foreign for you and become creative blocked about certain pieces.

>>4247731
I agree to what anon said.

>>4247164
ngtmi is a meme while fundies are not. As I said, you need to work a lot on perspective and anatomy. Start with filling pages with boxes in 1point and 2point perspective. This might seem redundant but you cannot expect from yourself to draw something as complex as human body if you cannot draw a crate. Not going to lie to you, fundies are boring as fuck but the sooner you grind them the sooner you dont have to put up with that shit. Look up moderndayjames on youtube for tutorials on basics. For quick gains carry around sketchbook and draw from life whenever possible.
You need talent to become better than average concept artist but if you stop focusing on that you realise drawing is just a craft like any other and start having fun while becoming better at it.

>>4247624
i think you should break down your images and work on individual parts. im impressed that you are putting so much into each picture but your skill level is kind of low. so my advise is to make some sketches where you ust draw people but dont worry about shading. or just work on perspective, making basic shapes look believable in 3d. and also do pages of just different shading and hatching techniques. try all kinds of different patterns. work on gradients, on materials without putting them onto buildings or onto clothes. try to just draw fire, smoke, clouds, a waving flag, and nothing else. do studies of these things to improve your components and then put them together into a new drawing. think of it like a baseball player, rather than playing baseball to get good at baseball, he might consider running to improve his cardio, or weight lifting to balance out his muscles that he isnt using during a game. and he might go to a batting cage and just hit 100 balls a day instead of always playing a whole game. but again i find your ambition and creativity great.

is lineart necessary? i was going to wait to start rendering fully until i'm more secure in drawing cell shaded/stark lined figures, but it's so tedious on digital and looks like shit anyway.

also i've only had a tablet for a week, does it get easier?

>>4247058
Spit on them and draw more.

finally drew an anime face that I dont completely hate, eyes are relatively the same size, hair is (kind of) natural, chin doesn't look like the crimson chins chin. I'm genuinely chuffed with myself

I'm working through Dynamic Sketching 1, I've only just begun week 2. Is the only function of the center line to show me what direction to work in? Am I misplacing them? Otherwise, any advice?

>>4247825
>is lineart necessary?
no
>but it's so tedious on digital and looks like shit anyway.
You can always try it on paper first. It does carry over minus some digital kinks. Check your pressure settings and if you use the brush that can get thicker/thinner depending on them. Also check the stabilisation settings - they help to make less jiggly lines especially at first.
>does it get easier?
yes.

>>4247731

>>4247739

Thank you so much
Ur an actual god
I'll take everything u say to heart cuz ur right and I m glad ur responded

Artists please respond

>>4244877
Looks like Greyworm

Tried creating a freehand perspective grid but my lines are still too sloppy so it got less and less accurate as I went on.
Back to grinding, I guess.

>>4247899

>>4243984
reminder to plan out big projects in sketchbooks with precision before wasting a lot of time and erasing

What to do after Dynamic Sketching?
Loomis? Hampton figure drawing?
I'm sick of drawing insects and plants

My first piece of "art" without using anything but imagination, is it good bros? It's also my first time drawing without thicc cartoon outlines or chicken scratch. Pls r8 :[

>>4248091
This is one of those things where it's hard to say if it's "Good" it's certainly its own thing but if you look for any semblance of basic humanoid anatomy for example there isn't much there. so I rate it a goodonyoufordoingyourownthinganon/10.

>>4247725
lmao, might do so thanks

new

>>4248170
>>4248170
>>4248170

>>4247760
Thank you very much. I agree that I shouldn’t be labouring over finished pieces this early, but due to the circumstances of inktober I felt obliged.
I’ve moved on to the things you’ve suggested already, so thank you very much

>>4244811
Can I use rulers, triangles, and circle cutouts if I can't draw lines or circles? I have minor experience in drafting from high school and I'm thinking using tools would help a lot.

>>4248214
No.

>>4248225
Why not? I've been stuck there for a while and I'm not improving or learning anything, with tools I can skip it and go to anatomy and maybe learn something.

>>4248232
I used to be really bad at them too, now I can draw pretty good circles, etc. Just draw them more, try the Dynamics sketching excercises

>>4248232
post work

>>4244811
Do I really need to learn fundamentals?

>>4248242
Last time I posted work I apparently put it in 4k×whatever resolution and crashed someone's computer, but all you need to know is I filled half a sheet with shitty lines before getting frustrated and coming here again

Old art, nothing really special

>>4245148
Those are nice anon.
Have you been posting in here before?

>>4244815
You left some of her

That part of her is gonna suffer even more

if you gonna end someoens suffering , go all the way , dont do a sloppy half finished job

>>4244913
Work smarter not harder

But you still need to work , at some point you will still need to "just draw lol"