/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4245483
It teaches you the same fundies you can learn anywhere else. If you are a pure /beg/ at imagnation drawing give it a shot, but don't fall into the hole of only drawing boxes

>>4245483
ISIS

>>4245483
It's a /beg/ trap made by an /int/ artist. Most of what he teaches beyond the first lessons are completely inferior to the stuff in other courses and books.

First few lessons are good if you are absolute beginner, but don't bother further
>why?
It tunnels you into this mindset that you can learn drawing like it's a textbook, which you can't. After you have learned the utter basics you need to be your own teacher. Basically meaning you can't follow mindlessly and you need to incorporate everything you learn from others in to your own way of drawing.

>>4245510
Could you suggest a good course for beginners then?

>>4245510
Tbh, I think draw box can actually help with perspective, but everything else is. Beg trap.

>>4245483
All patreon bucks go to funding ISIS.

>>4245497
>>4245521
This.

>>4245519
Which Lessons should I do then?

>>4245497
>>4245521
what?

>all these crabs dissuading OP

OP keep studying until you can do the pic in the top left, without the squares like the top right, until is easy for you, once that shit is easy, try doing more complex forms make your own shit. like the dissection part, do the 250 memechallenge at the end.
this will make studying any memebok a breeze

heres im using the 1/3 rule of eyes from boomis and then just filling with the rest but everything parts from that 1/3

>>4245611
Yikes, not only is your obvious head bad but you can't even place an ellipse properly using the CORRECT method. I guess bad habits from the sandman got to you.

>>4245613
The elipses are good, the head is shit, but the elipses are good, you big crab.

>>4245623
It's an even bigger sin to lie, anon.

>>4245516
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLahdJVpMB_nm8_pKnuBoxgDvFLpEA5Mu7

just draw, faggot

>>4245611
>>4245623
>le crab xD
Stop forcing this tumblr shit, faggot.

>>4245613
then draw a head using only axis with your superior elipses faggot, the point is being able to see the circumferences through the head so is easy to buil a mental image of what should be seen, this way you avoid symbol drawing

>>4245633
t.crab

>>4245516
Aguri's guide.

>>4245628
I've done what said. Now what?

>>4245637
link?

>>4245657
>Aguri's guide.
google the same words and it's the first link in google

>>4245639
now make a fiverr account

>>4245637
>a good course for beginners
>Hampton as an intro to figure drawing
Now that's a shit advice if I've ever seen one

>>4245808
>just ignoring the parts before that

>>4245853
Oh I'm sorry, which one serves as an intro to figure drawing then, the marker sketching book or Olson's perspective series?

Hampton is probably the best figure drawing book on the market, but also one of the most advanced ones that'll fly over the head of any beginner.

>>4245892
>also one of the most advanced ones that'll fly over the head of any beginner
elaborate.

>>4245892
>but also one of the most advanced ones that'll fly over the head of any beginner.
His book/videos are about as hand holding as you're going to get. Sorry you're born stupid.

Go to moderndayJames youtube channel if you want to learn the same stuff, but in a much suppirior way

>>4245894
Every artist follows a logical continuity of adopting more and more complex concepts on their path towards mastery.
It's something like
> linework > shape > form > perspective > subject > composition > abstraction > idea
eg. you can't render a bicep muscle properly if you don't know how to draw a cylinder in perspective and you can't draw a cylinder in perspective if you don't know how to draw an ellipse. Makes sense, no?

Well Hampton skips teaching you about linework, form, perspective or design and jumps straight into abstract ideas like feeling the flow of gesture, because if he didn't, the book would be 600 fucking pages long.
Hampton assumes that you're not a dumbass (>>4245917 wink, wink) and you learn those concepts first - /then/ you can read his book and really understand what he's talking about.

>>4245946
>linework, form, perspective or design
Shame he didn't include courses covering all of that as a precursor to hampton in the PDF huh?

>>4245955
time to die

>>4245637
Yea except drop Erik Olson and put in Vandruff's chalkboard series, then you're set

>>4245637
This Aguri guy have a blog where his art is?

>>4246611
No, but he did upload his work once.

>>4246633
yikes

>>4245483
>listen to professional artist interview
>they recommend drawabox guy and some schoolism course
Hmmm
should i listen to him or /ic guy?

>>4246711
Professionals in any given field are not necessarily good teachers. They often forget what it was truly like to be a beginner and don't (consciously) remember crucial lessons they learned on their journey. The only people that can consistently tell you how to git gud are people who's job it is to teach others.

>>4246730
but people who teach often do so because they arent actually good enough to (consistently) earn enough money so they dont know either

>>4246738
But they do know, because they have students. If a teacher can take a beginner and turn them into a master, without the student having any outside help or influence, then clearly the methods work.
There isn't a single coach in the entirety of the NBA that could keep up with their star players for a full game of basketball, and yet the players and the league both value coaches extremely highly. The only fields in which teachers are always better than the student at the given task are fields like math and chess where there is a clearly defined process to achieve any given result and the task is comprised entirely of theory.

>>4246730
while you are not wrong but the guy I was talking about is young 1996 dude and was working for 5 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIVisG_no4
1:30
he practiced drawabox not just judging it

>>4245483
honestly just watch krenz
he makes it easy to understand AND he can actually draw lol

>>4246783
Got any more of these?

>>4246783
who's krenz?
poast his videos

>>4246730
Maybe every professional can't teach well but that doesn't mean the opposite is true, that a shitty artist will make a good teacher, hence why most art college courses suck because they are taught by art failures, and the only good places like artcenter are taught by professional tier artists like peter han.

>>4247084
I never said that every shitty artist can or should be a teacher. All I said is that a good teacher is someone who has good methods, but that they don't have to be a pro themselves. There are definitely pros that teach, but they're good teachers because they're good at teaching and are knowledgeable about the learning process and art itself, not simply because they're pros.

>>4246700
So you're saying that's not better than where you are right now?
>>4247026
Most of his stuff is on Patreon but here's his artwork- https://www.artstation.com/krenz
His advices are pretty down to earth and sensible as far as I can see.

>>4245521
source?

>>4246808
>>4247026
tl;dr its a method invented by Krenz Cusart called "angle cotnrol. It's kinda hard to explain, but definitely a superior version of drawabox. Kinda think of it like, a flat cube "like what a 3 year old would draw" Would be like a 0 degree angle and if we move our "head or "camera" up than we have a 0 degree angle with 25 elevation

get to lurking

Also you can find his videos somewhere in the mega, i've seen it before but don't have it on me

get to lurking
https://boards.fireden.net/ic/search/text/krenz%20cushart/

https://boards.fireden.net/ic/search/text/angle%20control/

>>4247685
>tl;dr its a method invented by Krenz Cusart called "angle cotnrol


this is the kind of retard that gives advice.
let that sink in for a moment.

>>4247735
You realized?

>>4247735
i'm just sharing my findings, i'm not claiming to be a pro at anything.

>>4247735
Based Satanachia poster.

>>4245483
Im doing some of the exercises in it, I liked it up until the ellipses chapter, where I realized the retard who wrote it doesn't know what the minor and major axis of an ellipse means.

Drawabox is pretty much scott robbertson "How to draw" + Peter hans dynamic sketching course
Is it worth it? Probably not because he is just /beg/ why not go to the source and learn from people with experience in teaching?
However, you should do the 250 box and 250 cylinders challenge

>>4247834
Isn't that still the first lesson?

>>4248054
yea, its pretty early