/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4240681
Wasn't that whole series supposed to be a critique of modern art by directly comparing it to classical fine art?
I like him because he has good technical skill and abhors modern art

>>4240681
Literally who?

>>4240681
What’s not to like?

>>4240697
They all look like he made meme images in photoshop and then painted them really well.

>>4240681
>Specifically posts an image of a black man embracing a white woman in hopes of baiting posters into hating cesar santos.
He's very skilled, enthusiastic about creating art, and makes entertaining videos. Why do you want me to hate him so much, OP?

>>4240697
Critiquing modern art by making tone-deaf cringy thoughtless technical demos.
Essentially overworked political cartooning.

He has skills obviously but is brainless aswell

>>4240741
Hello there Proko, I see you are still assblasted since Cesar unmasked you as an ignorant peasant about art.

>>4240743
Proko and Cesar are more alike than they are different. Both brainlets for sure.

Although i have to admit my hate for proko goes a lot deeper than my dislike for Cesar Santos, since Cesar can actually draw. So pls tell me when did that happen? i wanna see proko sperg

>>4240746
Go back to /pol/, you delusional fool.

Cesar is a terrible painter desu. He has all the skill in the world but does nothing with it, compare one of cesars portraits to something by pontormo or franz hals. He's the definition of soulless.

His art is trash and there's a reason he's not actually discussed in the art world at all. He literally sells tutorials to make cash as well which is next level soulless. Trying to copy 19th century works while existing outside of that time is fruitless and an ill spent exercise. You have to exist within your own time period, you can't act like you're some time traveler.

He doesn't innovate either in any way, sad desu.

>>4240753
/pol/locks love cesar santos because he "owns the libs xd".
I hate him because his art is shit.
I still hate proko more. Send link

>>4240758
I don't think you need to only draw stuff from your period of time, why? Why límite yourself over that retarded rule, but I agree on the souless quality of his work, I mean he has a painting of some boys un the beach, goodlord that painting is si fucking boring and people just suck the dick of Santos because of it, he es more souless than Roberto Ferri, at least Ferri puts some subcocious crap on his paintings, but Cesar are just glorified studies, he is si incredibly skilled and yet he wastes it for the sake of please rich fags.

>>4240768

There's a big difference between taking influences and innovating then what cesar and the rest of his VERY small academic realist circle are doing.

The neoclassical movement for example which took heavily from classical art, history, and values was completely different from what he's doing. That was something that shaped all of europe for the better part of 50-60 years, it was in the architecture, the sculptures, the art, the silverware, the writing. Europe was once again finding beauty and appreciation in the classical world with the great tour becoming common once again. But it was extremely innovative compared to what classical art actually looked like and a completely different beast.

Cesar is copying people without actually innovating in a very flat lifeless style and doing nothing to further art as a whole or contribute to culture and society. Most crabs on /ic/ don't actually paint or are involved in the art world so they don't have a clue what's going on and think MODERN IS BAD. Modern is not bad, it's extremely diverse and forward thinking, taking elements of the last 1000+ years of art and mixing them together often times. It's a huge culmination of everything we've ever known.

>>4240771
Post examples of that great mixture in modern art, otherwise you are just babbling crap.

>>4240768
>I don't think you need to only draw stuff from your period of time
No one said that bro. What that anon is getting at is that Santos' work is completely retro and passé, and his art doesn't touch anything exciting or challenging whatsoever, they're just technically impressive but very boring and ultimately meaningless to everyone of us who exist in the contemporary world.

>>4240771
>There's a big difference between taking influences and innovating then what cesar and the rest of his VERY small academic realist circle are doing.
I agree with you here.
But not the other stuff, I paint in oils, yet most of the traditional oils scene in the UK is stuck sucking up to the Camden movement from a long whiles back, and is awful. Some of our plein air painters are good, but I can't think of anyone I'd want to paint my portrait, for example.
Piffle.

>>4240776
Yes, trite platitudes that contribute nothing to culture.
People like Ruan Jia are at least honest with themselves and don't pretend to be the second coming of the renaissance and therefore are more respectable.
The art renewal center crowd is nothing but creepy old men pretending to be "rescuing art"

>>4240775

Adrien Ghenie
George Condo
Andy Dixon
Andrew Salgado
Lenz Greerk
Marion Fink
Cecily Brown


I can get more for you if you like, cause i think you're babbling crap, the fact you have to ask shows how little you know.

>>4240781
ex of Peter Brown, a plein air painter for a bit of thread excitement.

>>4240785
What is that piece of shit Picasso wannabe?

>>4240739
>He's very skilled, enthusiastic about creating art, and makes entertaining videos
I agree, but I find his paintings to be boring, his craft is admirable and he is highly entertaining but I just don't care for what is on his canvas.

>>4240791

I recommend looking at them all, george condo is a picasso wannabe but if you know how art works great artists are hugely influential for decades or maybe even centuries to come and they have inspire a plethora of artists. Francis bacon also copied picasso at the beginning of his career and his art is just a natural progression from cubism.

>>4240797
don't bother with people who unironically believe art just means pretty pictures that you look at for a few seconds on pinterest.
Anyone who dislikes geerk is ngmi and has no idea what fundamentals are.

>>4240800
What is so great about Greerk? Please show me what are you seeing on that art that amazes you so much, other than that you sound like a pretentious prick.

>>4240808

The guys an excellent painter, he has made his own style, he has subtlety, great understanding of the figure, color, emotion. You have no solid ground to stand on.

Are you trying to say you know more than all the galleries around the world who are showing his works? What are your credentials. You crabs always try to put people down especially modern artists, it's terribly sad.

>>4240808
Since i doubt you'd understand loftier concepts i'll break it down to simple /ic/ memes you'll get
>Composition
>Color and value design
>Shape language
>Use of negative space
>Subtlety in theme exploration
>Iconic style

And i could go on and on, but i suspect you rather look at an instagram hyperrealistic portrait of morgan freeman so i might be wasting my time.

>>4240793
>I agree, but I find his paintings to be boring, his craft is admirable and he is highly entertaining but I just don't care for what is on his canvas.
Fair enough, but assuming you're OP, those are the reasons I like him. If you don't like his work then that's a matter of personal preference.

OP is coming off like someone who is just baffled and in a bubble, despite there being many reasons people on here or elsewhere admire Cesar Santos.

>>4240819
>>4240821
Jesus this kind of people are unbearable, do you really think being in a gallery automatically turns into an art genius?

>he an iconic style

Yeah so iconic this is the first time I heard about this artist, also impliying I like hyperalism just because I don't feel amazed by your pseudo groundbreaking bullshit artistic sincretism shows how much of a snoob you guys are, keep wanking yourselves tryng to find Hidden beauty on a glorified gesture painting.

>>4240741
>He has skills obviously but is brainless aswell
Riiiight and we're all sure you're some art genius lol

>>4240834
So you get offered a fuckton of verifiable information and all you give back is a
>y-you guys are j-just snobs!
Typical. And surely i was in the right when i opined that
>i could go on and on, but i suspect you rather look at an instagram hyperrealistic portrait of morgan freeman so i might be wasting my time
All of you crabs are so cookie cutter lmao.

>>4240840
You have to go back

>>4240821
If you understood these concepts then you’d understand how Cesar masterfully uses them.

>>4240703
I'm with this guy

>>4240847
Every single cesar santos piece is just a referential hamfisted mess that just happens to be technically well painted and will never stand on its own.
That's really all there is to it. So yeah, you're the one who actually doesn't understand those very simple concepts.

>>4240850
>>4240703
>has constant and immediate access to google
>DOOD NOT EVEN ON MAH RADAR WHO?

>>4240852
It's not even well painted, just well rendered and pandering to neocon boomers that don't get contemporary art ala trump.

>>4240854
>It's not even well painted, just well rendered

>>4240852
Dude, calm down before you have stroke...throwing baseless insults towards what you don’t understand isn’t going to make you sound right.

kek renderfags on suicide-watch

>>4240859
Don't worry i'm fine. I'm just always excited to help ignorant people understand.

>>4240681
Looked through some of his stuff. Meh. Not for me I guess. He is skilled at doing portraits and figures but his finished stuff isn't that appealing to me. The subject matter and concepts behind the painting seem kind of shallow and superficial to me (just references famous movements/paintings and throws a figure in his style on top). Also the figures look like they were photoshopped into the environment. Obviously they're hand painted but the figures don't gel with the rest of the painting. I think he gotten really good at painting people from life but not much else. Probably a good teacher to learn from but his art doesn't really appeal to me.

>>4240864
ROFLMAO
hackiest shit i've seen in ages.
>hey kids remember le ebin dali clocks
>now with a nude study xd xd

>>4240834

lol people who are showing are the ones who are defining art in this era. Of course you haven't heard of him you're probably a graphic designer or some brainless shit. You and most people on here don't have a clue what's going on in the art scene, the people who are working now are the ones who are going to be in the history books.

>>4240880
That's a really pompous and juvenile way of looking at art desu...

>>4240897
>Says as he downloads high res anime pin ups

>>4240897
It's normal that he sounds pompous to you since he's well informed and engaged in the art world while you lack all information and are clueless about the scene outside of 4chan

>>4240905
>>4240913
Major cringe.

>>4240918
Cope

>>4240921
Dilate

>>4240897

It's pompous? Why don't you offer some alternatives, people are name calling like you with no other answers. I don't even know how people can possibly try refuting something like "artists who show in the biggest galleries will define history"

This is an art board and the moment you talk about contemporary art and bring up big artists who are actually pushing boundaries there's just shit flinging. The most discussed artists on /ic/ are proko, loomis, and ruan jia. That says enough right there.

>>4240921
>>4240926
I love me some tranny porn, lads. I would go balls deep in a passable tranny or a trap on HRT

>>4240819
People all around the world think shit like Rothko is the bee's knees too.
Emperor's New Clothes, my friend.

is that fucking shaunonsite

>>4240946
I think an artist has to do more than be famous and have their art displayed in a big gallery to be historically significant. Hirohiko Araki fits your criteria but the art history types couldn't care less about him and I don't consider him to be historically significant either. Or pic related by Takashi Murakami. The dude is famous and shown in galleries around the world as well. I honestly don't think any of the artists you posted are "pushing boundaries" at all, just my opinion. /ic/ isn't very knowledgeable about non-commercial art but I found your attitude a little dismissive to the other anon is all. You dismissed the entire profession of Graphic Design as "brainless shit" while proclaiming superiority by appealing to fame and authority. I think you should look at the actual art piece and form your own opinion on it. I don't care for critical acclaim or buzz, just the art.

>>4240819

Fuck off Cesar. Learn what "appeal" is before spitting another glorified study. Sakimichan's works are literally more interesting to look at.

>>4241026
>sold for 13.5 million dollars
Wtf? Lmaoing at fine art fags.

>>4241027
SEETHING

>>4241031
>the entire purpose of art is based on how much rich people will pay for it
MORON
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>>4240921

>>4240681
/ic/ is on 4chan.
He's fine. I feel like what he does is fine. It's Banksy with oils instead of stencils. Easily digested, I'm14andthisisdeep tier conceptually. I would never go out of my way to see his work, but would not be upset at its presence in appropriate contexts.
LESS WRAP DEES BEEDEO UP

>>4240681
>Why does /ic/ like Cesar Santos so much?

No fucking idea.

Now being 100% objective: His draftsmanship is enough to make him an ARC living master, but he's uninspired as FUCK, I mean, what the shit??

I would look up to him as a teacher (proven that he knows how to teach), but not as an inspiration or anything.

His portraits are fucking gold, but almost all ARC living masters can do what he does, and some can do it better.

>>4240864
I've watched CS a few times on his *incredibly annoying* YT vids. Now his master study things are pretty good. Make you think, hey I should be practicing more.
But this painting is fucking awful.

>>4241056
It's like that disrupted realism garbage but replace arbitrary paint splatter with arbitrary art history splatter.

>>4241026
i saw this sculpture in oslo it was based

>>4241065
How big is it in person?

>>4241051
OMG he sucked up to peterson. Guys everyone remind me never to get famous at art for any reason. Especially portraits Even in the remote chance Id deserve it.. fuck you all shitty sucking up and drawing people for shitty popularity. Santos and Saegent can lick my jamaican butt

Isn't this thread like a bucket of crabs?
Anyway if this guy was Japanese and painted anime /ic/ would praise him like a God. But since he wants to do portraits in the 19th century style (with a twist) /ic/ goes full crab tier art critic and berates him for being "uninspired" and bland. Maybe you study him and his work then you could leave the crab bucket for good.

>>4241256

That would be if /ic/ did not suck his dick all the time. Case in point: (you).

>>4241256
Anime pinups are equally artless. Well executed Manga or comics, however, are infinitely more artful.

RF is superior

>>4240681
Kristoffer Zetterstrand does what Cesar does but infinity better and with not nearly as much technical knowledge of painting

>>4241288
urgh its a perspective bukkake

>>4241288
this is the minecraft painting

>>4241314
Yes

>>4241288
>>4241310
>>4241322
Soul
>>4241056
>>4240864
>>4240681
Soulless

>>4241322
>>4241310

His best paintings oddly enough are ones without humans. Cause he paints in that weird 21st century academic realism when he's doing his humans which is very soulless

He studied classical painting though i don't know what you're saying with him not having technical knowledge of painting.

>>4241419
He just meant less than Cesar Santos. It's pretty easy to be less good at painting than Cesar Santos

>>4240681
>high tech skill
>no creativity

gee i wonder

>>4241426
Is there anyone today who has both?

>>4241429
the yellow men

>>4241051
I watched his video in which he explains his JBP portrait, supposedly in the context of JBP's ideas. He's describing the artistic process as creating order out of chaos, every artistic decision being one that narrows the extent of possibilities and thus eliminating chaos and creating order. While his analysis isn't wrong per se, it funnily enough exposes what his problem is: He seems to think that the desired state is that of perfect order, when even JBP recognized that it is a tightrope walk right on the line between order and chaos that you should aspire. That is how all art should work: You offer the observer something familiar to lead him to somewhere unknown. If it is too much familiarity, the piece won't be interesting enough for people to engage, if is too much of the unknown, the piece will be irritating and meaningless. That is always relative to the observers individual attributes regarding (again staying in JBP's preferred nomenclature) trait openness, of course. As a side note, the exact balance in individual works gives you an idea of the target audience of the artist, which will show you that much of contemporary art is really extremely narrowly tailored to an elite with high levels of openness (mostly artists or academics themselves), which is probably the reason the feeling of alienation that most people experience when confronted with contemporary art.

Much (I wouldn't say all) of Cesars work is very familiar, but kind of fails to step into something new. His JBP portrait is pretty indicative of that: There's no abstraction, nothing to get your brain working, it doesn't confront anything, it is just exactly what you see: The portrait of a man in his mid 50s. That is not the case for all his work, but it's a clear tendency. Despite that, I greatly admire his technical skill.

>>4240864
>put women and their favorite shitty meme artists where they belong, in a shallow grave.
based and redpilled

>>4241479
Good comment

>>4241262
not him, but that is bullshit. As often as I post on here, I rarely see threads about Cesar Santos. Most of the work and threads posted revolved around Moe blob qt waifu garbage

>>4242021
Moe blobs are more artistic and relevant than cesar sanshit

>>4240681
OKAY LETS WRAP THIS VEEDEEYO UP
/IC/ IS A CRAB BUCKET
WHO SHOULD JUST SAY FUCK IT
EVERY ARTIST THERE IS A BRAINLET
THEY ARE NEVER GONNA MAKE IT

>>4241419

... are you really, really using the term "soulless" in an unironical way?

>>4242034
>moves goal post
faggot lol