/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4232974
Only for perspective.

>>4232976
Do you ever try to free hand it or you use a model 100% of the time?
I ask because I wonder if this is just cheating yourself out of learning to do it yourself

Do you want to get a drawing done?
Trace.

Do you want to learn how to draw?
Don't trace.

A thread died for this.

>>4232974
Not gonna make it

>>4232974
all is ok anon, thats not the point, the point is the time you take.
For someone who knows how to draw in a decent level, is a waste of time because in the time you spend striking the pose, you could done several fast sketches, if you are a really slow person then could work, also if you are one of those guys that can't """"visualize"""" things in their brains, otherwise is very not efficient.
Is different when you contrast it with high-level work, in which you can for example establish an environment, perspective and light direction to do a very complex work, in wich case is worth. But, if you are gonna strike a pose with 3d models to draw a random chick with a standard pose and nothing more, better learn to draw faster (or really learn to pose fast as fuck, it goes without saying that the 3d model have less dynamism, so depends of your market)

>>4232980
Noo not the precious threads

>>4232990
you killed the crab, you bastard!

>>4232974
Wanna be a hack? Trace. Wanna learn to draw like the good artists? Don't trace until you actually know how to draw.

>>4232974
It doesn't matter what your process is - what matters is the end result. IMO, one of the hardest pills for people here to swallow is that no one really cares what you do. Most folks just want to see finished work. If they do care, then there's nothing they can do but whine and complain, which you should just ignore. As long as the final work is good, then trace away.

>>4232990
el em aye oh.

>>4232990
I'm not reading what you framed and I wasn't going to read them anyway.

>>4232990
The absolute state of this board.

>>4232974
valid

>>4232974
Cheating

>>4232990
based, kinda wish the "thread died for this" meme would reflect this better, there needs to be a more accurate catchy way of saying that a thread is shit and pointless

>>4232978
If you’re goal is to work completely from imagination, every single crutch is “cheating yourself”. If your goal is to just finish drawings without preference of methods employed, then you obviously don’t care.
How is this even a question?

>>4233085
>thread is shit and pointless
Works for me.

>>4232974
kind of unrelated, but what software do you guys use to model lighting on figures?

>>4233094
>How is this even a question?
How is this even a question?

>>4233103
Designdoll has pretty basic lighting implemented

Is there any 3D posing software that works on Windows 98?

>>4233141
why are you on win 98

>>4232974
you probably don't have the skill to do it
it's not even supposed to be hard

>>4233002
>Wanna learn to draw like the good artists?
>Don't trace until you actually know how to draw.

that would be like going 100 steps back and shitting on your skill lol. Actually good artists would not even think about something this silly

>>4233155
Uhhhhhh why are you blindly assuming when I just asked for an opinion anon

>>4233131
thanks

>>4233147
Because modern software sucks

>>4233141
fucking hipster

>>4233171

Embrace the botnet. Love the botnet. Come on, anon, don't you want to play Fortnite? It runs on your smartphone!!

>>4232974
>use 3D
>never have to worry about perspective on objects ever again
>get more finished pieces than ever all with great lighting that can be attuned however due to the power of 3D engines
2D fags don't know what they're missing.

>>4232990
>doesn't put a square on the wojak vent thread
Spotted the doomer ngmi faggot

>>4233320
I didn't do so because it's an understandable thread. Artists come here and they're probably ruffled over something. I don't like wojaks either but it's an acceptable thread in my eyes

>>4232974

it works for you? do it. who gives a fuck.

>>4232974
I have made some of my best works using design doll figures or just the basic circle-line landmarks from said dolls and a couple of boxes to ground perspective. No rules, just tools.
As long as you still have some gesture and a bit of style, instead of making it feel like a traced mannequin, it's fine.

>>4233543
Fair enough. I'm too stubborn to draw over one myself tho. I'll just use itnas a reference and shape things free hand

>>4232974

I was watching this webinar. They talk about this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C0SfdqEzHFE

They talk about CSP specifically, but the advice given translates to the practice in general. Tell me what you think.

>>4233666
Pretty boring video so I skipped through much of it, but he seems to be saying basically is to do gesture drawing-type sketches over it, instead of what the op image was doing. That is a better way to make use of the models and to teach yourself I think

>>4233147
Good luck patching all the security vulnerabilities

All of "Gantz" was done by doing this, including backgrounds, I think some of the art books showed the process but I distinctly remember seeing step by steps at the end of some chapters.

>>4233796
Huh. Well that's an odd way to go about creating an entire manga

>>4232974
Inefficient waste of time.

>>4232978
NTA but I do both for backgrounds. I trace models if they're available, and I do it from imagination if they're not available. I only do this when drawing comics, where my main goal is getting stuff done quickly rather than the "integrity" of the process.

>>4232978
I believe short cuts are for people who already know how to get there.

>>4233805
It's just efficient. He's shown freehand work before and he's quite competent at drawing just as good as he is with models.

>>4232974
appropriate for losers, nimrods and melvins

https://youtu.be/mz1_ic6AIIU

>>4234388
>concept art

>>4233666

This is actually useful, Satan. Especially because there's next to no resources that aren't fucking trash. This one at least goes beyond "muh time savings".

>>4232974
Why don't you just go full 3d then?

>>4234446
I don't know of any full 3D that still keeps the 2D painting style.

>>4232974
Might be a good idea to blur the image of the 3D model, so you aren't compelled to just trace everything exactly. Which would make if feel like you just traced. You need that 2D appeal imo.

>>4233171
what the hell do you even use on win98 to draw

>>4233014
The problem there being that if you don't develop your skills first even the traced works you make will be lacking in almost every department.

Art has no rules. Do whatever the fuck you want, just make it look pleasing so people will like it; but only if you care about that. Anyone that says otherwise is just plain wrong.

>>4233796
>>4233805
>>4233932
Gantz is fucking hideous

>>4238761
The enviroments and backgrounds are absolutely beautiful but i gotta agree the people and creatures in general aren't the best drawn. Especially faces.

>>4232974
Throwing down basic 3d shapes is the easiest skill as an artist and the first one you develop
If you still can't do that a 3d model won't do you any good.

>>4232974
Only way I could see this being super useful is if you're at crunch time or need to focus on other things more.

I'd just prefer using 3D models as pose/perspective references than outright tracing them.

>>4232974
this is the only thread I can post this
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/v1Kzax