/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4229823
rip anime op

How are my gestures?

>>4229834
These are from yesterday
t.samefag

>>4229835
>>4229834

>>4229836
Either give constructive feedback or GET THE FUCK OUT

>>4229823
>>4229827
I was about to laugh about this thread because anime tiddies always wins and then...
You will be remembered sweet princess. Your loomis level probably wasn't good enough for this board.

>>4229837
>4000x4000
>2MB
Ain't clicking on it. Better luck next time.

>>4229841
Feel free to use it as the next OP image if you want

>>4229827
>>4229841

i swear i double checked before making this thread and posting that there wasn't one up, but i guess anon just wake up like me and had the same idea.
Very impressive that the mods deleted that thread that fast.

>>4229848
I deleted it myself when I saw you made one

>>4229850
you can do that? sheeeeit, i wish that was possible on other boards.

Played with line weights and little details this time.

>>4229859
Tried to look for guides on line weights and only found this so this is what I followed or at least tried to.

>>4229834
this is a matter of pedantry but i wouldn't consider those gestures, if the intention is to convey the structure of a pose you're doing ok. However, theyre stiff because youre not willing to emphasize motion or emotion in the poses

>>4229859

hahahahahahahahahah xD

>>4229859
unironically looks better Anon, good job

>>4229859
You're getting there anon, the back foot is smaller than the front foot, and they don't quite line up with the ground.
also the right leg is too short

>>4229847

When drawing figures from reference I do have a half-decent job, but when drawing from imagination what I create is absolute shit. Is there something I can do to help me properly transfer what I learn from life to imagination? I feel like I don't "learn" anything when drawing from life except how to draw better from life.

To be clear, I build the ones from ref use construction as well. So I'm not copying/tracing. I thought this would help me construct from imagination, but it doesn't.

I don't know if I made my question clear enough. Hopefully some of your all can drop a few tips.

Is it just a matter of more practice from life? Or is there something I can do to help me get better at this? My goal is to do comic art, so I cannot rely on references for every pose.

>>4229910
This is where knowledge of fundamentals come in Anon. If you are working from ref you are replicating what you have observed which while it certainly isn't easy it requires less thinking and a presence of mind. Figuratively speaking when we are drawing from reference then the reference is there for us to "correct our mistakes." We often stop and compare the two with each other and the ref will take priority. Without a ref however we can only rely on our knowledge to correct our mistakes, or just build a good image in general because there is nothing to compare to but a vague image in our mind.

Here is where knowing what you draw is essential, like knowing the proportions of the body compared to each other, knowing the perspective what angles do the parts of the body visible and how they look like in that angle to do that we need to know their shapes and forms, and for that we need to be able to draw shapes and forms etc. That is why /ic/ is so crazed about learning fundamentals. Even wise old Vilppu said "You con only draw something from imagination if you know how it looks like." Granted grinding the fundies and knowing fundies is far from everything, art is a complex subject after all, but it is the best bet to learn drawing from imagination.

Drawing from life is always a good idea but it helps if we do it mindfully (paying attention and learning from it) and not just copying without thinking. When making a study looking at it our refs in a more analytical thinking like "Okay so this looks like that but I wonder how does it look like in a 3D space, a different angle.

I would also suggest that you do more photo studies but drop almost all the detail when studying (not when doing a full work) and try to create them as 3D objects. Like Earthworm Jim here. Practice that and post results so we can go further.

Hey Anyone have any guidance when it comes to giving this a background?

>>4229943
Do you have a composition in mind anon? Color or shape wise?

no I just sorta put the character in a situation? I kind of had in mind that she's wet and in a watery area trying to retrieve something from a frog or some shit. maybe some trees in the back idk.

>>4229951
Your character is really good tough wish I could do that! Have you watched the "understanding composition" video yet? That should probably help.

I've been drawing for two years I'm still a beginner how do I leave this plateau?
What books would you recommend? I've done Loomis fun with a pencil and Hamptons design and invention.

>>4229943
>>4229951
Something like this?

Yes thank you! :)

>>4229874
>>4229876
tyty. Will keep trying then

>>4229986
>>4229951

>>4229986
By the way cool brush texture what are those settings I literally just use the default on Sai.

Does making a bunch of random lines in paint and then creating actual image without erasing anything count as practice or is it just doodling shit?

>>4229961
If you want to draw animu I would study gestures and human bodies. Just use the websites like quickposes (for real life photos) and posemaniacs (for 3d models). And do studies or quick sketches of them (like just a few minute sketches). Maybe do them like once or twice a day for a few weeks or so you build up that visual library.

>>4229961
Draw anime till you're sick off it.

>>4229997
Creating something based on a random silhouette is a good exercise for creativity. Whatever you're doing is just doodling shit.

>>4229997
doodling is good

if you were trying to make this look like literally anything it didn't work tho

>>4229941
Thank you so much, anon. This is really helpful advice.

As I said I've been constructing things while drawing from life, in an effort to internalize the forms and proportions but you're right... it's easy to look at a ref and think "this is way too big/small/far from this other thing".

I'll try to do some studies like that and report back.

Help

>>4229823
kek, great image.

>>4229961
Anatomy for sculptors

Doing some practice with hands grabbing soft objects/ textures, any tips?

>>4230176
learn anatomy first.. or just uhh ahh umm fill with water some airballons and practice with them

>>4230176
why the fuck is her right hand on her left arm

>>4230187
>>4230188
Pyw you won't

>>4230194
Nah don`t flame them it`s my fault I was too focused on the grab and did not even think of the hand being the wrong way.

>>4229859

>Look at my thumbs anon. Look at them

>>4230176
Is that.. a nose?

>>4230261

holy shit why the FUCK are tablets so hard to use? I'm decent at pen and pencil drawing but this shit is busting my balls hard

>>4230261
No it’s my attempt at a protruding tailbone

>>4229859
really nice.

Gestures! :) And my printer sucks :) :)
so you can barely see anything :)

>>4230299
annnnd here's an attempt to "trace" over the gestures using another paper. I kinda got lazy so the knight is the only one that I kinda liked, and it's the simplest pose by far.

>>4230290
what tablet anon? is it well calibrated?

help me with the arms

>>4230303
I have a brand new huion 1060 plus and all I've done is download the drivers. even though my hands aren't shaky I still get wobbly uncontrollable lines. feels impossible to draw like this

>>4230306
is she pressing her tits or doing finger guns at the viewer

>>4230310
finger guns mb

>>4230307
heh i had that model too not sure if mine was bad but the sensitivity was too awful an i could draw for shit, anyways pick a coin and trace it over on your tablet if you dont have a perfect circle on the screen then you have to calibrate that shit

>>4230313
>*and i couldn't*

>>4230313
>>4230315
this is pretty much what happens. as soon as I pick up the pen to go to the other side of my hand/coin it offsets which I think obviously means calibration problems.

>>4230327
also mean it has to be a perfect circle that shit is an oval. in the settings if i recall correctly theres a option to calibrate the tablet to the screen ratio you have to custom the paramaters they are in numbers or they were the last time i use it.

>>4230307
>>4230313
fuck i was about to get one of these. is the cintiq 16 better?

Why are hands so fucking hard

https://imgur.com/a/itTqTu1
Trying to do Hampton gestures, are these in the right direction?
(pic related is an earlier version that I believe is going in the wrong direction)

>>4230353
Requires proper application of the fundamentals to properly show the the hand's precision.

My attempt to try and learn how to draw the enemy rebel tank from metal slug

>>4230365
really nice job on the perspective anon

>>4229834
>>4229835
My gestures are shit. How to improve?

>>4230388
be about 999x looser with your lines.
draw fast, don't even draw the box shape for the hip, it will stiffen the pose.
Stop seperating all the body parts, like those little circles you use at the joints are pointless, all they do is stiffen up the pose even more making it look more like a mechanical thing than something that is alive.
The whole point of gesture drawing is to think of the human figure as one continuous thing, so stop drawing everything seperately.
You can't understand how the position of one part affects the position of another part unless you draw them as one single entity.
It's more about the flow than accuracy.

>>4230388
thats more like construction dude

>>4230404
How’s this? I wanna know if It’s shit now before I end up gesturing like this in the long run

>>4230428
Definitely better, but don't focus too much on the outline.
Think of the gesture in terms of simple lines that don't follow the contour too much, only the important parts of the figure should be shown in slightly more detail to make the pose more understandable, but even then it should be kept very simple.
Here's a 15 second one I did. It's very sloppy and inaccurate, but it does convey the pose in a very simple way which makes drawing the construction on top of it fairly simple.

no ref

>>4230307
try taping a piece of paper over your drawing surface, it gives it a more traditional feeling if that's what you're used to.

too tired to do the stitching

>>4230428
you are supposed to draw the line of action so get better references with more exagerated poses just people standind still or resting won't do, the main point is drawing the line of action so don't get caught drawing every minor detail, the basic forms are enough and dont copy the picture while you draw just look once and then draw without ever looking back at the ref

>>4230445
Ref?

>>4230445
not beg

>>4230455
here

>>4230457
it's from reference and that single boot took like 4 hours, /beg/ is where I belong

>>4230445
>>4230461
Not bad, anon.
I like the soft rendering.

>>4230433
Took advice from >>4230454 mid drawing? How am I doing?

>>4230467
Forgot pic

>>4230469
post the ref of the guy with the sword

>>4230471
I don’t have one

>>4230473
I’m sure there’s like millions of pics out there with anime niggas holding swords like that but I didn’t use one specific reference

>>4230467
>>4230469
still looks very stiff.
try loosening up even more, let the pencil glide over the paper when you make your lines.
Gesture is more instinctive than knowledge.
Gesture is the first thing you see when you look at someone, before you can notice any details, try capturing that.
>>4230473
Also start using refs for your poses.

Im gonna try to completely redo the drawing i did yesterday because i felt bad about it are the proportions still fucked?

>>4230473
you are supposed to use one you fucking idiot, you don't use one once you can draw from imagination imbecile.

>>4230436
wtf is going on here, is a view from below ?

>>4230357
Try using less lines, going over your lines multiple times serves no purpose.
Try exegerating the poses even more.

>>4230388
Gestures are also more like this Anon. Try to find the line(s) of action that describes the pose and focuses the line of action into a center.

>>4230492
So conceptually I'm getting it right, I'm just inexperienced?

>>4230509
There's no specific way to do gesture, everyone has a different way of doing them, so as long as you can understand the pose then that's all that matters.

Though I've made alot of progress over a few months, critique my most recent drawing. I found a face reference from this person does not exist.

Also, recently I have been attempting to draw hands since, I haven't done much practice of the overall human form. Are there other parts of the humab form thag I should understand before going straight to trying to draw the hands.

>>4230388
I can tell you're using the how to draw manga book. Stop. Just stop. Please. Do yourself a favor and download the beginner books I'm the artbook thread mega.

>>4230353
>>4230362
This.

Also you're still thinking in 2d. And remember, you don't have to show every finger and every part of the hand. Study hand anatomy starting from bones, then muscle, then flesh. Do that for a week straight, a few days for each group, and watch how much you improve.

>>4230558
I forgot to say my trademark phrase.

Roast Me

is it OK to copy other artists while learning? I'm completely beg and would be concerned that copying will just be detrimental considering construction is such a huge part of progress

>>4230558
are you copying or constructing?

>>4230587
Not that anon, but how would you go about (de)constructing this, since it's a form warped by another form?

>>4230597
that drawing is bad in the first place but it can be done really easy just feel the form unironically

>>4230604
Like this?
That works for deconstruction, but the construction is still a mystery, and it likely isn't the "wireframe contours" of the form.

>>4230311
you went for one of the hardest poses if you don't know it, overlaping mases who are also kinda sof are hard to draw because you need to know what mases to empathize with a harder stroke which is hard at least for me but you need to know the mases in the first place which you don't, this is my attempt but im not that good but is better for you to understand what you should do rather than a redraw.

Been studying face anatomy, putting it to the imagination test.
How bad is it anons?

>>4230608
yeah what you posted it will be the deconstruction of the form, as for the construction you know that there isn't only one, people construc of different ways, now what you can start to construct is what it doesnt change such as the muscles/bones from there you have an starting point. that's why i told you the drawing was bad because even if you draw the muscles and bones underneath it won't make sense because the fat in that picture doesnt work like that, your pic looks mor like you are gropping butter, the fat isn't that soft and even it were then lower part shouln'be hanging and from that pose the gluteous are extended so the fat shoulnt be that condensed?

Here is some Ice Climbers I drew. I feel like I wasn't doing a good job of "feeling the form" and being able to draw them well.

What do I need to do to improve?

>>4230587
I'm constructing

what are these two bumps here?

>>4230665
if you didnt fuck up these, it would look kinda ok

>>4230687
fat
that is a fat woman

>>4230687
upper is muscle bottom is fat

>>4230693
>>4230695
okay thanks

>>4230558

michael hampton video lessons. There's part for heads and faces. find it, download it, study it. You wasted months not studying the fundamentals properly.

Ok i completely redid the drawing, is it still just as shit?

>>4230712
Actually better but the form of the muscler are off because that 3d sofware doesnt render really well how muscles change when their mass rotates/flex.the face is poking out from her skull a bit or the neck is a bit deep inside.

Fapping and drawing

>>4230715
Which muscles in particular

>>4230365
really fucking cool mate keep it up

>>4230712
The head to body ratio is still off.

>>4230719
all in red at the bottom, they need better definition especially the the part in the leg near the hips

>>4230741
i think it can pass

>>4230741
>The head to body ratio is still off.

Proportions, nigger.

>>4230771

>>4230772
not nearly as good but i was just looking for a face ref

also fuck that hair

>>4230048
I really like this

>>4230772

can int and above anon sketch this. I really struggle with it.

been at this for 6 months and starting to think an hour-hour 1/2 a day really is too little time to learn this shit

On a whim I decided to draw, and this is the first drawing I have made with any type of real effort, what level would you guys say I am at? Looking at the sticky and such I really completely ignored fundamentals, and I think that's why it looks pretty weird, but someone who does not know anything thinks it is good (or they don't want to hurt my feelings). I am hoping you guys can glean some of my natural drawing behaviors and approaches and such from this, and tell me what I should hold onto and develop, what new things I need to learn, and what I should forget completely. Thank you all

This is a Bargue plate I did
Can someone help me improve?
I seem to get close, but can never seem to fully close the gap between my drawing and the reference

>>4230710
I have been studying loomis head, construction and perspective form and all the other fundamentals except a detailed study of anatomy.

I just had light construction lines which I rubbed out when I completed it. But I will watch Micheal Hamptons video incase there is something I'm missing.

I'm going through modern day james' perspective thing. On a scale of irredeemable trash - kinda trash, how is my first attempt at mirroring a curve?

>>4231034
I probably should have included the original curve.

>>4231034
>>4231035
At least it's fucking right side up. Jesus. Draw through the forms. You won't learn shit if you don't draw through them.

>>4231039
Alright, here it is with the construction layers on. I did erase a few lines, but yeah.

>>4231041
Fuck

>>4231042
I might be wrong about this, I'm a beginner too and not an expert, but I feel like the best way you're going to learn is by doing it right the first time and not skipping over parts or being lazy. All of the lines going up and to the left are parallel lines, they should all be matching up at a distant vanishing point I'd assume. Hopefully this image I made helps.

But also to anybody else who sees this and is more experienced, what the fuck is up with the lines I highlighted in the bottom right? All of the lines going across the form above match up to the horizon line, but when I try to match the lower lines to the horizon line, they're off? Why the fuck is that? I'm going to bed though (5am) so I won't see any responses for a while.

I hate drawing and I wish I never fucking started. It makes me feel like shit every time.

>>4231078
Change your attitude. It's that simple. If the problem is that you're grinding too much and don't feel like you're drawing what you actually want to draw, stop grinding and draw what you want to fucking draw. If your issue is that when you try to draw what you want it turns out shitty looking, then change your mindset to one of growth, look at what you're doing wrong, then work on that and try it again.
Every shitty drawing you make is literally a stepping stone to making a good drawing and any time you spend drawing isn't a waste of time. Think about it, if a drawing you drew comes out shitty, you literally have until your inevitable death to just try it again and get it right.
And if you're a vindictive shitty fucking asshole troglodyte who's never seen the sun (like every retard on this god forsaken hell hole) and your only enjoyment is feeling a smug sense of superiority over others, imagine it this way: by simply taking the first steps to becoming a better artist (actually putting a pencil to paper and fucking doing it) you are infinitely better than THOUSANDS of other people who WISH they could be an artist and don't want to put in the time. And even if you are not better than those thousands, you eventually will be because every second you spend drawing is a second they aren't.
Oh and also, if it's difficult for you to see what is wrong with your work, identify it and then work on that, just post your work here (or preferably another art critique forum if there is one) and someone more experienced than you will be able to identify it for you and help you with resources to improve.

>>4231086
a-anon...I see it....I see the light.

polished this one and made some adjustments to the features. how turdish is it? i got lazy on the hair

Tried face up head angle again. Very hard.

I'm by no means fantastic but fuck I'm pretty proud for what amounted to 3 months and a half.
Keep grinding to all my fellow begs.

>>4230908
It's not bad, but it's not good. I've seen worse. What is your goal? What are you wanting to get out of art? Can't give you much direction besides study fundies until you figure that out.

>>4230909
Do 10 more and see how they differ. They bottom part seems the worst done so focus on getting it right each time. Post middle and last progress.

>>4231112
You don't have to draw every strand of hair. And you don't have to have a hard line for everything. This looks half done. Smooth the shading out. The lips are tilted.

>>4231133
What are you trying to accomplish here? Is this a wojak nun? Don't fucking post without any words. That's the fastest way to get ignored.

>>4231141
Dude, you're not practicing that face angle effectively. You're better off doing bust studies practicing shading, see >>4231112. Once you understand that, then you can lineart effectively and it won't look like some down syndromed Cinderella.

>>4231153
Kek

>>4230771
Hell yeah dude, just make the darks darker and it's amazing
>>4230791
Break the hair down into simple shapes, you drew a lot of strands, which distracts you from the volume and shape of the hair.
and please don't upload sideways

>>4231153
werent these referenced?

>>4231086
This post fucking gets it

>>4231210
I mean I used references but I didn't copy it from a preexisting image is that what ur referring to?

>>4231199
>And you don't have to have a hard line for everything.
i dont know what this means and for the hair the idea is to show what direction that hair is going cause braids

What could be done better? It wasn't meant to be completely anatomically correct, but I my goal was to stretch normal proportions.

>>4231224
The brain fills that in. The less information you give people the better they think your artist. To an extent. That's why a lot of people like sketches better than finished products.

My hard lines I mean on the nostrils of the nose and on the eyes and all the softer features of the face, they don't need you to put a line there to tell us where they are. As a viewer we know where they are and we know that the face doesn't have any hard lines. If you take a photo and make it black and white it's just different shadows and light.

>>4231238
Your drawing is flat. I can't tell what angle you really want it to be. The eyes and the nose and mouth don't match up with the planes of the face they're each on their own angle. You made something that would look like it'd be on Oblivion. Lol

>>4231153
Good shit Anon! Godspeed!

ouo

>>4231247
Is it flat because of the incongruous facial planes or is the flatness due to another element in the drawing?

>>4230582
You should copy other artists work, yes. As long as you're making a conscious effort to recreate the work as though you were the original artist. It will help you understand how the artist overcomes challenges. That said you really need to be academic about it. Dont half ass it, recreate the work EXACTLY. Once you're done, if it doesnt look exactly like the original work, identify what is wrong and improve those areas. This is where real progress is made...not draw a box

>>4231274
Flat because the eyes, nose, and mouth are on different angles. You can stretch the proportions, but you didn't stretch the skeletal structure underneath so it looks flat with each feature being on a different angle. Nose looks like a side view, mouth 3 quarters, and eyes are just poorly drawn 3 quarters with the brow ridge not connecting to them at all. Honestly when I look at it, it feels like someone is twisting her jaw and skull off. It's unsettling.

>>4231141
Good to see yo uare doing better at the lineart Anon! Here is a quick explanation on the face change when looking from downwards. you need to move all parts of the face up a bit and alter their shape, Remember that the eye is a sphere so it remains spherical from all angles just the skull blocks different parts of it. The mouth too is a rounded almost spherical shape so if you look at from down it becomes more like a semi circle. The forehead will get shorter because it will be facing away from the viewer.

Are there any good tutorials out there for folds? I feel like thats what i should move onto next

>>4231256
This is cute but so bright, please add more saturation to it Anon!

recent drawing i did. thoughts?

>>4231199
>What are you trying to accomplish here?
Just trying to draw a head.

>>4230637
you forms are fine what do you need to get good now is gesture

Total noob, started painting two months ago, no matter how hard I've tried, my images turn out flat, I just can't make the illusion of 3d objects, what should I do bros?

>>4231516
Turn the subject 45 degrees.

>>4231199
My goal with art is to be able to look at something and draw it well (not photorealistic, but just make a good representation of it) with somewhat good speed. I want to be at the level where if I started drawing the things I saw in public people would look at it and be impressed rather than me embarrassing myself. Mostly just to develop a personal talent I could enjoy for myself, and maybe express myself by showing the things I look at and the way I see them. I want to know what details to ignore and which to pay attention to when trying to make something look nice or neat without getting caught up in every little thing.
I would also like to develop entirely separately from all of that the skill to draw beautiful anime waifus, because that seems fun and possibly profitable. Pic related, used as a reference in the previous posts

>>4231531
That would help, but >>4231516 needs to work on his rendering for more depth too.

You know what? I never considered myself fucking /beg/ but now I actually might consider it. Whenever I do portraits or almost anything, I always do circles for the cranium and when looking at the reference the proportions and perspective are off. I've been looking at anatomy books to help fix this but for some reason I can't improve it's like I reached a limit. I mean here, I only fixed the proportions because it's a fucking digital painting but even still, it looks off. My sketches are always off and need some help on how to go the right direction. I am losing my mind off this.

>>4230712
The longer I look at Koishi the more I see Jack.

>>4231583
Who?

>>4231567
The reference photo looks like it waas shot with a short focal length, while your drawing looks like youre imagining it with a longer one

>>4231476
Folds happen where the material gets compressed this happens at places where there is little space for them or one side of the material gets stretched so the other one is compressed. It also happens if it gets pinched together. Think of this and find the places where this happens. On your picture this happens under the armpits and between the legs possibly a bit at the the sides if the character is really fat.

This is true for all materials by the way, paper, plastic, rubber you name it. However if the material is rigid it will tear or break to pieces sooner before folds get formed.

>>4231516
Better shadding of course. That is, more distance between colors.

From imagination, no references.

Did the bottom one first. I think the pose I imagined there was doomed from the start.

The top one ended up more natural although I feel the entire midriff, torso and right arm is a question mark. Can't visualize or construct what happens there without references.

I've seen a lot of people on Discord and other sites recommend drawabox, is it any good or just a waste of time?

What's the point of doing fully rendered skull studies?

>>4229941
That gave me the biggest smile, great stuff to consider, hope that the next Earth Worm Jim game is any good!

>>4231516
I have the perfect video for you anon... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBX2GwVul0

I'm too intimidated by the porn thread atm so I'm gonna drop this here. I used a reference by the way, I can post it if you guys would like.

>>4231075
The outer curves aren't properly mirrored. You can even see it, the one on the back looks like it's going further down or is bend inwards.

I'm still trying to get the hang of how to properly shade, especially with clothing. I never understand how trousers bend and where wrinkles on hands or on vests go. I want this all to come naturally and not rely on references all the time.

>>4231086
i needed to hear this
thanks

>>4231827
>used a reference
You had a picture beside you but you apparently didn't use it at all.

>>4231034
>>4231035
I don't watch MDJ and I have no idea if you're doing what he's asking you to do. But you're not mirroring the curve so much as extruding it.

>>4231961
This is good leave /beg/

>>4231965
Yeah I did.

I always had trouble copying from references but I tried.

Rate my beg comic, first volume is composed of one page.

>>4231827
It's an abomination. Nobody is gonna fap to your work until you learn the fundamentals. Luckily it seems you have plenty of time

>>4231992
Yeah, desu I'm leaving /ic/. I'm finding another forum. Y'all crabs can't give me resources to improve and give everyone else resources. I won't improve if you won't help me. What you're saying ISN'T HELPING.

>>4231910
I'm glad that I could help. I've felt the same way as you before. It's important to understand that the only thing that can influence your emotional state is you. It's as simple as looking at something from a different perspective or just allowing things not to make you upset.

>>4231993
I'm no crab friend, just being honest

Start with these, I think they will help you a lot.

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>>4231999
Yeah I draw anime not real people.

>>4231143
good hands got any more work of the whole body?

>>4231993
Sure, his "critique" isn't really fair, but the unfortunate part of trying to critique a work like yours is that it just lacks "fundamentals". If your goal with this was to copy the reference accurately, it doesn't look like you took the steps to copy it accurately. I said earlier in the thread:
>I feel like the best way you're going to learn is by doing it right the first time and not skipping over parts or being lazy.
Which the drawing you did clearly shows elements of being lazy. If he's using a dildo, how come the balls on it are flat? How come his dick is flat? Why does the mask stretch all the way across his face even though you can see the side of his head where it should attach?
>Y'all crabs can't give me resources to improve and give everyone else resources.
This is such a defeatist argument. You claim no one has given you resources when the first thing everyone is told is to "read the sticky", which gives you plenty of resources to start out with.
>I won't improve if you won't help me.
This is completely untrue. Why are you entrusting your improvement as an artist into the hands of a bunch of retarded people on an anonymous imageboard? Shouldn't the only person you can trust and the only person who is in charge of your improvement be you? I sure as hell wouldn't trust retards on here who don't give a fuck about me to help me.
>>4232001
>Yeah I draw anime not real people.
I know that you're probably trolling, but this is a shitty argument, because anime people are literally based off of real people. Even this retarded reaction picture of an anime character I am posting has some basis in proportions of real life people. The bottom of his ear matches up with the bottom of his nose, above his eyes half of his head is forehead. Also, maybe I'm retarded, but isn't your reference image a real person, or is it an anime picture? Either way, I can assure you if it is an anime picture, the artist has some basic understanding of drawing real life people.

>>4232013
The only reason I use anime pictures instead of real life ones is because real life ones are too hard to stylize.

>>4232022
>too hard
because you don't know how, so you should learn

you asked for help and now you're saying "lalalalala nope I know what I'm doing"

>>4232022
You shouldn't be focusing on "stylizing" when you're still a beginner. Also, two people now have provided you with resources/advice and you have rejected them. You CLEARLY aren't looking to improve, you're just looking to complain. The only person who can help you is yourself. You have to be willing to seek improvement, grow and change, otherwise you will NEVER get better.
Pic related is an image I made to demonstrate that even anime characters have the same proportions of people. On the left is a Danganronpa character and the right is part of an Andrew Loomis book demonstrating the proportions of the human head. The bottom of the ears still lines up with the bottom of the nose, the top of the ears lines up with the eyebrows. On yours, it doesn't.
You're probably underage so you take people trying to help you as some kind of "personal attack" when there is nothing personal about someone saying, "This looks like shit, go practice using these resources."
I am a beginner just like you, so, anyone else can correct me if I am wrong here. Another thing I am going to recommend if you're going to be copying from a reference is to draw "guidelines" for yourself like in the picture to the right. I selected this one because you're a fucking gaywad. Don't draw these over the picture itself. Eventually, once you have done this enough, you can train your mind to look for landmarks that are the same size as other landmarks and you won't need to draw the guidelines anymore.
This also isn't to say only ever copy shit from reference, copy shit from reference, then apply it to your drawings from imagination.
Honestly, this is probably helping me and other people in this thread a lot more than you, because you refuse to listen to reason.

>>4232046
>underage
When will people fucking believe that I'm actually 18 years old?

>>4232053
When you act like it.
Also, 18 is still pretty young. I didn't stop acting like a little shithead until I was like 22.

>>4232056
All I am is sick of people assuming whether someone's unerage or not based on art skill.

What’s a good intro to anatomy? Any recommended books?

>>4232057
It isn't based on art skill, it's based on how you react to criticism. I know a 16 year old who is a fucking god at art, significantly better than me. Why are you still replying, take all of the resources we've given you and work on your art. You have until you eventually die to become a better artist, so, take advantage of that time.

>>4232060
I love this. How do I become like you?

>>4232069
pls don't laugh at me
i always see the flaws too late

>>4232074
I'm not making fun of you. I legitimately really enjoy it and I wish that I could draw like that. What were some resources you used? Is this from reference? Do you only draw digitally or do you draw on paper too?

>>4232080
i drew this from imagination digitally only
but the anatomy and proportions are all wrong dont take inspiration from it

>>4232060

1/2

>>4232087
2/2

>>4231827
>>4231975
>>4231993
>>4232001
>>4232022
>>4232053
>>4232057

>>4232064
Also, why is anatomy so complex? I just want to draw not become a doctor.

anyone know a good source for X-rays of the non-injured human bodies and body parts?

>>4232105
ok retard

mfw learning only to draw memes.

>>4232160
I'm a beginner too and know nothing about composition, but the composition on this is horrible. It'd be a lot better if the composition was better. There's so much dead space and also it looks like you're looking down at him slightly when given the horizon line and where the car is, you should be looking up slightly at him?
Like, it's one thing to draw memes, but I swear if the composition was better it would be more "readable" and a lot funnier. I can't tell you specific how I would fix it though. Maybe someone else can.

>>4232064
Anatomy for Sculptors by Zarins is great

>>4232165
It's unfinished. Also I agree it's empty, the position of everything is messed up because I did not intended to draw the background, I have no practice whatsoever doing scenarios.

Here's a study I was working on.

>>4232207
And here's the ref.

>>4232207
Draw with your eyes! For fuck shake.

>>4232207
perspective is off

>>4230388
think you mean construction. go watch proko videos on gesture.

>>4232207
Hank Hill looking ass

>>4232207
Don't wanna critique the values since I'm too bad at it myself but you could easily make the drawing nicer if you redrew it while constantly comparing the positions of different landmarks. My example is messy but it shows some examples of looking at angles, distances, negative space and horizontal/vertical relationships. Keep these in mind and you'll automagically start copying a lot better

>>4229823
Do I have a future as a cartoonist?

>>4229961
>how do I leave this plateau?
Don't spend too much time in /beg/ threads. Get rid of the mindset that you are a beginner and make attempts at work well beyond your comfort zone. Study and copy all the anime and poses you can. Apply your knowledge of figure drawing on the anime you draw.

>>4231561
I'd browse the artbook page and download a few beginner books. Study a handful and see which teacher you click with and go from there. You have potential.

>>4231784
Feeling the form.

>>4231993
Lol simple lurking would show you that there are tons of resources at your disposal. We're not gonna spoon feed you like your mommy does you sorry excuse for an incel.

>>4232232
Thanks Anon! I should have spent a lot more time doing the preliminary sketch.

>>4229823
Which one should I use?

>>4232255

Best way to take photograph of lineart and vectorize it? I am stupid and do not know if there is an easy obvious way besides maybe the magic wand.

>>4231279
thank you anon, this is helpful advice.

>>4229823

dunno if I belong here, despite drawing for quite some time it's been mostly with reference images. Give it to me straight, doc.

>>4232298
You do belong here, you're mistaking the different parts having different scales for perspective.

>>4232299
yes, yes. Perspective is something I need loads of work on. What do you recommend I do to amend this?

>>4232302
When you're doing a reference, define the figure in basic 3d shapes then go from there

How do I draw figures in perspective with correct anatomy? I’ve done a bunch of perspective studies and anatomy studies but when I sketch, I don’t know how to actually apply the anatomy and perspective to it

>>4232337
Example of a quick sketch of mine

>>4232339
>german
is it our time to rise yet, brother?

How the fuck do you folks do it

>>4232348
>germany
es wird niemals die ziet deutschland sien

Out of curiosity, why is everyone obsessed with loomis? Why does it seem like the majority of /ic wanna draw human figure?
Appreciate any feedback

>>4232354
this shits time consuming

hi >//<

What do y’all recommend first: learning gesture drawing or learning all the parts of the body (face structure, hands, etc.)?

How the hell do i stop my palms from getting sweaty af the sweat and oil is getting all over my paper

>>4232382
finishing tomorrow

>>4232382
Lighting is good, person looks like shit, especially the face. Maybe I’m just saying that because of how unclean the edges are

>>4232357
Needs more loomis.

>>4232357
>>4232399
On a serious note, I like it.
The reason why most people want to draw human figures here is because that what literally all famous artists do.
Plus most of /ic/ are coomers who only want to get good enough to draw their NTR futa porn.

>>4232391
dont, you won't learn anything further refining this. go fix your anatomy before rendering so hard

>>4232391
The first ones always take a million years. Some pointers: your value range is way too high, you got pure white and black, is this person made of metal? Pure white only exists when you look at a light source. It doesn't look like you used a reference etiher, especially when you are learning to paint, you shouldn't try juggle drawing from imagination on top of that. Not sure if it's because of low opacity or on purpose, but the character has some reflected pink light in the shadows, if that wasn't on purpose then look that up, otherwise your shadows look like deviantart drawings. Keep it up, don't worry about the time.

>>4232357
People wanna draw humans because
>Humans are hard, it’s a fair challenge
>Let their imagination loose; create human characters
>They want to draw anime
>Get commi$$ion$
>Rule 34, coomer fuel
>Because I hate you, you are giving me a fuck load of work to do. Asshole
>???
>Profit!

>>4232391
>>4232402
This, rendering is fine and all, but rendering in the end is not as important as the basic structure of your drawing.
If you really want to render your drawings do it in a less time consuming way with simple cross hatching.

>>4232298
Everyone belongs to /beg/ you have eternally doomed yourself by coming here. Like we all did...

>>4231207
Based and motorballed

>>4232357
Humanoid figures are most easily relatable to and tends to most easily tell a story and allow both the artist and the viewer to find elements that directly speak to them imo.

>>4232405
I somewhat disagree with this, in order to render well, you need to define form, which is the most important thing for drawing. Painting helps drawing helps painting. It's all interlocked.

I felt like i spent too long on this

>>4231475
Tried that angle again for today but kept failing and got irritated at it so I just went whatever for this head.

Gonna try again some other time but thanks a ton for the help.

>>4231475
Tried that angle again for today but kept failing and got irritated at it so I just went whatever for this head.

Gonna try again some other time but thanks a ton for the help.

>>4231199
>You're better off doing bust studies practicing shading,
Yeah probably but I am also trying to make sure I'm learning proportions and drawings hands and feet with these figures so I try to do the whole body.

>>4232612

you have learnt nothing zero nothing zero nothing you ignore all advice I told you to draw boxes you cannot even draw a box you refuse to you are very very retarded

>>4232675
I draw boxes, and other shapes, when I construct so surely that counts.

>>4232387
You've improved the forehead a bit.

>>4232675
He did take the advice from other anons so you can stop with your shittalk now.

>>4232675
>I told him to draw a box
>He didn't draw a box
>cry like a baby in IC

GG anon. Don't let me stop you embarrasing yourself

>>4232612
>Yeah probably but I am also trying to make sure I'm learning proportions and drawings hands and feet with these figures so I try to do the whole body.

In doing that you're stunting your growth. In the pictures your posting I'm not seeing your understanding grow. Instead of drawing the whole body, study by drawing a page of hands or feet or faces first. Take a day break of no drawing, let your mind sleep and process what you studied, and then draw a full body. Your method of study is beg.

>>4232348
>rise
Ich bin kein alman digga

hey guys im thinking of making easy cheap icon comissions like pic related. I dont think many people will get one but oh well, i was thinking of charging about 3-5$, does that sound right? they take like 30-60 minutes.
another question, i was thinking of using Fiverr to sell them, have any of you guys used fiverr for comissions? whats it like? what does everyone else use?? do you know anything better for this kind of thing?

>>4232916
Charge at least min hourly wage man. Also I hated using fiverr

alright, just did a few touchups before calling it. Surprisingly enlightening experience. probably should have started with a reference instead of trying to find one halfway through.
>>4232403 helpful, thanks

>>4232921
mmmh maybe youre right min wage here is like 7.50$ (7€) but i still feel like thats too much. Also why did you hate using fiverr? i havent really looked too much into it yet so any info is nice

>>4232923
don't listen to me too much I'm still beg too but I feel like her legs look detached from. her body, like they aren't hers and her torso is just """standing""" on top of someone else's legs. I think the shadow on that part of the pelvis is too hard and dark

>>4231477
tenk i have noticed ,ill try

>>4232934
I wouldn’t pay a dime for that desu because but non artists gave different standards so you can try

Drawn from life, obviously. Other than the Obama in the window.

>>4233107
you wouldn't pay for anything

>>4233233
Id pay for good art that’s affordable. No point buying trash just because it’s cheap

>>4229941
I really love you for this, you're making these threads better anon. God speed

Any tips on drawing eyes as forms? For me it's the hardest thing to feel

>>4229823
how did nobody not make this edit yet?

>>4233238
You wouldn't buy anything

>>4233302
BASED
The 22 year old LOOMER

>>4232923
I feel like it's going better this time

>>4232952
I like it

I've been working 15 hours on like 30 min sketch.
I like to watch videos while I'm drawing which makes it million times slower but also million times more enjoyable.

>>4233319
I really can't draw the penis. I think it's just an area with very little contrast and I'm having trouble making it a solid shape with only grayscale

>>4233366
anon that's a fifteen hour sketch, you don't measure it by effort LOL

>>4232911
>study by drawing a page of hands or feet or faces first.
I do that sometimes when I dunno what to draw just yet. Just don't bother posting them here.

>>4233314
Seethe more

>>4229834
>>4229835
>>4230299
>>4233381
>>4232726


Seriously, I want this "articulations as spheres" meme to die. It makes all of you look like you learned to draw from a "How 2 draw manga" book.

Articulations aren't sperical!

>>4233381
>>4233389
I agree. You should study the bones or muscle before drawing circles you think are there. It all looks very undefined. And honestly I think you'll understand more and improve faster if you study the bones and muscles.

How do I construct hands better?

How do I improve of this technique? I started with a pencil sketch then ink then watercolor highlights.
Erasing the pencil leaves the page dirty looking and not a clean crisp white and smudges the ink... But I don't think I'm good enough to freehand without constructing. I guess I just need to be lighter on the pencil?

>>4233428
you could........ wait until the ink dries..

>>4233428
Use proper drawing paper. Use a lighter pencil. And/or, use a better eraser.

>>4233302
aren't people who tell you to read loomis crabs?

new
>>4233492

>>4231961
Girl's head is fucked and looks drawn in twobfldifferent persoectives a bit, and the guy's arm on the left looks like it stops existing in space after it passes behind his leg.

Think more about the directions things are pointing in and what forms they create- you're already doing a great job on everything else, don't let your brain start tricking you into preconceptions now.

how do i contruct bodies, can i see how you guys do it?

>>4231961
Exactly what >>4233709 said

Like many people here I am very bad.

Does anyone here have online art classes they take that they can recommend?

i don't understand how im supposed to do hair

Mind if I get some sweet juicy critique

>>4232411
well at least everyone's in the same boat as me I guess.

My first piece in 6 years, could someone give me some advice on how to improve?