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**Don’t aimlessly study the fundamentals or anime. Learn the fundamentals (form, values, color, composition, etc.) through properly copying anime.**

How to study anime/get better at imagination drawing/obtain a style/etc.:
>Find an anime reference you like (an illustration, screenshot, anime figure, 3D model, etc.)
>Find learning material that will help you reconstruct your ref using simpler fundamental elements
>Trace the ref using that construction
>Copy the ref using that construction
>Draw the ref from memory that using construction
>Repeat the process for the same ref multiple times and mix in other refs
>After studying a lot of refs, drawing from your head will become easier

**Focus on Tracing/Copying/Memory drawing the big shapes/values/elements first then later worry about the finer details. Focus on only a portion of a complex ref first then move on to studying the full ref.**

General anime style discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /alt/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

General Art Overview:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

Discord:
https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

Previous Thread:
>>4181257

>> No.4194009

>>4193954
How the fuck does every other JP artist seem to have a vaguely decent idea of color even when starting out? Color picker magic?

>> No.4194020
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>Likes anime

>> No.4194021

>>4194009
Nippon Paint.

>> No.4194044

>the references folder slowly just becoming a porn folder
haha i'm definitely gonna study all these eventually

>> No.4194051

>>4194009
I'm no expert but I can give you some asspull insight.
It seems that in general, modern Asian(at least JP and KR) society values aesthetics much more than any current western one. Or to be specific, it's shameful to post something that *doesn't* look good. Food pics/selfies are prevalent, but it's different than the western ones. At minimum all pictures are filtered/color corrected or just touched up in general. It might also have a bit to do with the fact that most people have to keep up with the latest fashion. You typically get at least a basic understanding of colors from having to coordinate outfits and etc. It's just not socially acceptable to not be stylish.
I've also noticed that while graphic design is slightly outdated, it's a lot more put-together looking than some of the shit that comes out of the west.
And of course there's always the mandatory art curriculum too, so if they retain it they at least get a basic analytical understanding of color as well. Plus, it seems that westerners are often encouraged to go with bolder colors that stand out (possibly clash) rather than colors that actually match, at least within the public education system.

>inb4 "but there are jp /beg/ too" or "its not socially unacceptable to be unfashionable"
Obviously there will still be people who are dense and never picked up the sense of color or just not know how to apply the theory correctly. There are /beg/ everywhere in any case. Plus I think people just tend to avoid /beg/ and politely interact from a distance rather than actively try to fix them anyways.
And people obviously won't just directly talk shit about people who aren't fashionable. It's more of a thing that parents/friends are supposed to nag you about before you go outside.

Anyways, that's just my vague idea as someone who's from mainland Asia (but not China) . Have lived in western countries a bit as well if that helps.

>> No.4194059

>>4194051
>I've also noticed that while graphic design is slightly outdated, it's a lot more put-together looking than some of the shit that comes out of the west.
I think that's bullshit, the west has pioneered trends in graphic design e.g. apple, google, microsoft (skeuomorph, material, fluent respectively) meanwhile go to a japanese website and it looks like something from 2005 still

>> No.4194063

>>4194059
I'm talking more about printed physical designs like on packaging or clothing. Web design is not great but that's just because Japan is reluctant to upgrade any technology ever. Like, they still fucking use fax machines and refuse to use cloud services. But that's a whole different issue.

>> No.4194069

>>4194059
>>4194063
Forgot to add, you're also comparing worldwide corporations worth billions of dollars to the average japanese one. Obviously google, apple, microsoft and such HAVE to be pioneers in design. It's how they stay rich. Smaller/more average companies are more concerned with following the trend to remain relevant rather than innovate and take risks.

>> No.4194076

>>4194069
Yeah you are correct, but I don't see how that fits with your opinion that I quoted before. What would you say is an example of 'shit that comes out of the west'

>> No.4194104

>>4194076
The stuff that is prevalent on average. I can't really think of any brand specifically since I didn't live there long, but in the US literally any product I'd pick up at the store would have some horrible mix of colors of design. Or, for example, clothes at H&M or any outlet mall would have clothes that look COMPLETELY fine, but for some reason they decide to put clip-art tier graphics/print over it.
Or, it's an an easy cop out, but adult cartoons like Family Guy are somehow popular despite being... grotesque? gaudy? My point being, I don't think that kind of style would ever be acceptable in Japan/Korea.
It's basically just a personal experience so take it as you will.

Perhaps "graphic design" wasn't exactly the correct word to use initially. Didn't realize it was an actual term. Something like "visual design"?

>> No.4194109
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4194109

Hi /asg/ so I am back again with the newest batch of the made quest to draw waifufaces. This time it is 51-60, I was actually done yesterday but the last thread was over 300 posts already so I decided to wait for the next one. This batch was actually pretty simplistic because it was mostly the same character without much details, often having just one eye visible even.

My current experience is that I still feel that I am going stale, I feel that I managed to pick up on idea on how to positon the chin and the corners of the eyes but I still keep making the eyes too big and the face too short, this is especially apparent when the mouth needs to be open which takes more space than a closed mouth.

I know I said that I will try my own take but still not confident enough I am sorry for that. I also found another duplicate image which makes it 4 duplicates right now.

As usual I will post the full list and the soul.

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>>4194109
here is the current total progress I had to reduce the size again to be able to post it

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>>4194109

>> No.4194121

>>4194104
I see your point, and I 100% agree with what you're saying about cartoons, I don't understand the west's obsession with ugly, unappealing, unattractive character designs. It's as if the concept of cuteness or neoteny doesn't exist, or they take it to the extreme and create some abomination.

>> No.4194136

>>4194121
>I don't understand the west's obsession with ugly, unappealing, unattractive character designs.
But it has simple reasons just a few I can immediately think of right now
1) Legal stuff. Since you probably have controversial or outright disgusting things happen in your cartoons like Family guy. Violence, grossout stuff, sexual content it is necessary to make them look like unrealistic caricatures that are obviously not real people visually.
2) Generally the mood of a comedy is easier to open up to if the character is just a caricature of a person for which the human mind can fill in the gaps.
3)They are (like the Simpsons) supposed be to stand ins for "the every-man" the "average Joe" a "faceless nobody" that is the stand in for the western idea for the average person that has a suburban home, a basic but well paying job, a wife, one or two kids and a dog. The less notable visual features they have the easier it is for a wider variety of people to either identify with them or to see them as someone they know like a friend/neighbor.
4) Animation workload, it is no secret that the simpler the character is the easier it is to draw them and thus it needs less work to animate them. These TV shows are low budget and mass produced that rely on the script instead of the visual elements for success. (see South Park) Thus making the characters simplistic is an long term advantage.

>> No.4194150

>>4194136
Those are all valid points, but its just that you look at the anime industry and you see a very diverse range of styles, which are all appealing in their own way - but you don't see ANY of that in the west at all. Is it just because korean inbetweeners are cheap? Why is animation not an artform in and of itself in the west as much as it is elsewhere? I could just be speaking out of my ass but that's my current perception.

>> No.4194168

>>4194150
Western animation is diverse but it is moved to 3D because 3D is cheaper (and appears more futuristic). If you want cutesy stuff you can look at Lego Friends, Paw Patrol, Miraculous Ladybug, MARVEL/DC cartoons, STAR WARS cartoon series or anything made by Pixar in the past decade. Then you can look at Netflix series or anything big on CN. There are tons of variety in styles.

I know it is a meme at this point at the same one also cannot deny that a ton of the average no-name anime also suffers from being stale with sameface moeblob syndrome, yes there are exceptions like Jojo and others but those are the exceptional ones not the rank and file. All with stale plots like shounen, slice of life, isekai, harem or a combination of these with minor tweaks thrown in to the mix to hopefully make it different. All with the same simplistic childish humor, standardized character tropes and painfully predictable story-lines.

>> No.4194182

These threads are worth posting to, right?

>> No.4194315

>>4194109
This is good practice but I think you should vary it up and copy other artists as well. Good luck in any case.

>> No.4194349

Anyone has an update on whether drawr will get fully backed up or not?
An anon had seemingly contacted the Archive team awhile ago, anything came out of it?

>> No.4194350
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Oh there was another thread on it. >>4191511
https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Drawr
>Project status: Closing
Mmmm...

>> No.4194936

>>4194182
Drawing in general isn't worth it, and yet you do it anyways.

>> No.4194946

>*Don’t aimlessly study the fundamentals or anime. Learn the fundamentals (form, values, color, composition, etc.) through properly copying anime.**
>Focus on Tracing/Copying/Memory drawing the big shapes/values/elements first then later worry about the finer details. Focus on only a portion of a complex ref first then move on to studying the full ref.**

This is probly the worst thread sticky in this fucking board

>> No.4194951

>>4194109
>>4194114
>>4194117
Wow! That was so fast anon - I'm so impresseed! 50-60 means we only have 2 or 3 batches left - what am I going to do without you!
Once again the quality is incredibly high! You're lines are getting really strong compared to the ones at the beginning! Plus, your observations are even cleaner than before - you're getting sharper! I'm sorry about feelings of going stale - but take comfort that we're in the homerun now! When you finsh you truly will be the master- although you're already a master in my eyes. Noticing eyes and face shapes are all clues that you're picking up on construction - which means you're atleast learning something! Take heart in what your acheiving, I'm rooting for you! \\\(۶•̀ᴗ•́)۶////

>> No.4194971

>>4194951
You're revolting.

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>>4194951

>> No.4194994

>>4194951
You don't need to end every sentence with an exclamation mark!

>> No.4194996
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>>4194951

>> No.4195066

>>4194109
he is unironically getting good

>> No.4195092

>>4195066
He's only copying/tracing right now. We'll see how much of the practice he's actually absorbed when he tries do his own take.

>> No.4195348

Has anyone used the Anime Art Academy site in the recommended resources and is it worth $35/month?

>> No.4195432

>>4195348
pfffhahahhahaha

>> No.4195482

>>4195348
Looks worth to me. Get crit is amazing.

>> No.4195515
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4195515

>>4195348
This is your "teacher"

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>>4195515
and this is your redline

>> No.4195527

>>4195515
>>4195518
I don’t get it

>> No.4195534

>>4195527
https://twitter.com/AnimeArtAcademy

>> No.4195600

>>4195348
No and no.

>> No.4195680

>>4194946
yeah, some retard likes to take ownership and put incredibly dumb things in op. i've complained in the past but it keeps coming back, i doubt they even draw well

>>4195348
no, it's absolute trash. someone paid for it and posted some of the videos. the fundamentals course is some horrific gaijin loomis summary and the demos are no different than what you'd find for free online already.

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>>4195348
>Anime Art Academy site
>$35 a month
Imagine somebody actually going through with it believing they would learn anything from an "Anime" academy. Are Zoomers really this easy to swindle?

>> No.4195684

>>4195680
nvm mixed it up with mikan school lol. avoid mikan, avoid this. rest of my point stands.

drawing anime takes the same skills as drawing western style or realism. solid drawing fundamentals let you draw anything you want. there's no shortcut to drawing anime that skips the hard parts of learning to draw.

>> No.4195753
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4195753

drawing two people posing together is hard. it would probably be easier if i could remember how to draw basic anatomy but what can you do

>> No.4195779

>>4195680
Man, I just know that people who post negative shit like that are exactly the ones who can't draw for shit, lmao.

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4195787

>>4193954
Does copying the same anime image 50 times really elevate a guy from /beg/ to salvageable when it comes to lines?

>> No.4195800

>>4195787
no, but copying multiple anime images 500 times will

>> No.4195859

Buy Clip Studio Paint.

>> No.4195860

>>4194951
Thank you for your continued wholesome encouragement Anon, I will finish this!

>>4195092
>>4195066
Anon is correct that I am only copying and not doing anything from my head we must wait and see what will happen at the end, that is the whole point of this mad quest and I am only a bit more than halfway done at this point. But I am not directly tracing, tracing would be way easier and faster, however it also would be less learning experience.

>> No.4195865

>>4195787
Not really, but you do get better at drawing that shape than you were before, so at least it's flat and even which isn't good since you want good weight, but better than fuzzy and shaky.

>> No.4195969

>>4195859
This but unironically. Get it, and you're already 25% of the way there.

>> No.4196031

>>4195859
Waiting until black friday.

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>>4194104
>>4194121
>>4194136
japanese animation has always hinged upon limited animation techniques to allow them to compete with higher quality, lower framerate works against full framerate, full motion works by disney. watch bambi if you want an example of what the west was capable of doing and what the japanese were trying to beat.

(i wont get into the full history or gamut of differences between western and eastern animation because this would get far too long)

i recommend you at least familiarize yourself in the basics of animation and the history of anime so you at least understand exactly what it is that you're patterning your artstyle after

>> No.4196140

>>4195860
Expect to be disappointed. You should be doing your own ones as you go, not only at the end.

>> No.4196345

>>4194109
>>4194114
>>4194117

What's the made quest? Is this your own art challenge, where you only draw turtle.fish.paint?

New to the threads and curious, keep up the great work.

>> No.4196358

>>4196345
>>/ic/thread/4133396

>> No.4196387

>>4196140
Stop being so arrogant, you don't know that.

Fucking Frank Frazetta said he got a ton of mileage from just copying every drawing from bridgeman's books. But well, he's Frazetta and not a crab like you.

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4196698

upside down exercise I did yesterday

>> No.4197556
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4197556

After the Mythra study, I tried to do something 100% from imagination, so I'm expecting people to point out major mistakes, I'm pretty unsure about her neck too.
I appreciate any advice as harsh it may be.

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4198016

Is the secret really following my dick? Studying anime butts has invigorated in me a new passion.

>> No.4198092

>>4198016
Did you draw that?

>> No.4198202

>>4197556
I don't think it's that bad to be honest, and if you look at it again tomorrow I'm sure you'll find all the flaws easily. Just take it easy and draw from imagination sometimes to challenge yourself, never be in the comfort zone for too long.

>> No.4198229

>>4195753
cute
more onee-sans

>> No.4198241

>>4198092
No, I'm not comfortable to post my stuff yet.

>> No.4198312

>>4197556
forearms are too small, hands too small, neck positioned incorrectly, face looks awkward, the pepe is phasing into her chest

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4198482

>>4196345
>What's the made quest? Is this your own art challenge, where you only draw turtle.fish.paint?
Sorry I was supposed to type "mad quest."
Yes basically this is a mad science experiment of me trying to improve and learn this style by copying 100 of those pictures I just lazily call waifufaces. The original thread was linked by Anon at >>4196358

Speaking of which I finally made up my mind to try some of my own and posting first five results. I did them with a clean head so I did not look at refs or the stuff I done I wanted to have a full raw out of nowhere just out of my head attempt.

As expected, they are pretty basic and it is way harder to do without a ref and I had problems remembering things and putting the big picture together. Mostly the cheek line and finding the chin is still problematic but I also have little idea on how she arranges hair on the characters without a using a bigger refs.

So yeah, I need to keep moving.

>> No.4198511

>>4198482
This is why you should be doing your own ones as you go. You will know what to look when copying for after each one you do from imagination. It stops being a mindless exercise.

>>4196387
Who's the one crabbing here is a matter of perspective. Frazetta said he did them in 24 hours. I don't think anyone that tried to recreate his feat said it was a good idea anyway.

>> No.4198514

>>4198511
>You will know what to look when copying for after each one you do from imagination
You will know what to look for when copying after each one you do from imagination*
Sorry, had a brainfart.

>> No.4198532

>>4198229
thank, more onee-sans coming soon

>> No.4198670

>>4198202
Thanks anon, I'm trying to alternate between studies and imagination to see if I could absorb something.
>>4198312
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it, but I unironically can't see the neck problem, can you tell me what exactly is wrong for me to correct?

>> No.4198674

>>4198532
please emphasize the big titty part too.

>> No.4198778
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4198778

I don't understand how tf to paint. If someone could give me some tips that would help.

>> No.4198779

>>4198778
hard round.

>> No.4198791
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4198791

>>4198778
identify planes
start blocking in values
keep blocking in more and more detail

>> No.4198793

>>4198778
literally watch any video of someone else painting. you need to cover up the big areas first. https://vimeo.com/68048661

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4198817

>>4196387
>Stop being so arrogant, you don't know that.
lol
>blah blah blah MACHO ART MYTH THAT TOTALLY HAPPENED AND WE HAVE PROOF OF
lamo

>>4198778
you barely look like you can draw, let alone anime. focus on drawing fundamentals. later do photo studies using a hard, opaque brush with no pressure sensitivity. learn to make shapes like the left in black and white. gradually add more values, then you can focus on rendering hard and soft edges. once you can paint and handle digital, then you can start worrying about color.

>> No.4198819

>>4198817
aight.

>> No.4198830

>>4196387
If you blindly copy without knowing what the fuck you're doing, you are not learning anything. a pretty end result doesn't mean progress, unless your goal is to be a human photocopier.

>> No.4198981

>>4198830
I don't mean to be rude, but one of my favourite artists said it worked for him, why should I trust you, who may or may not be a thrash deviantart tier artist?

And I'm not even implying this is the best way to study, I'm just saying that dismissing practice like that is really dumb and comes from a place of ignorance.

"Frazetta’s plan to study in Italy ended but the Brooklyn Academy of Fine Arts continued on. Ralph Mayo, Art Director of AC Comics took over as the Art Professor. While Mayo appreciated the style Frazetta had developed over the years he was quick to instruct Frazetta to get a firm grasp on human anatomy. Frazetta, always eager to learn, received a copy of ‘Constructive Anatomy’ by George Bridgman. He went home that same evening and copied the book from cover to cover, twice! The next day he arrived to class to show Mayo he had learned anatomy. Mayo laughed, “Oh, Frank, you haven’t learned anatomy. I’ve been studying for ten years and I still don’t really know the human anatomy.” The school finally closed its doors in 1945 and that was the end of Frazetta in art school."

>> No.4198989

>>4198981
Do whatever you want but don't mislead other people down this path. Why should he dismiss a different method he hasn't tried because you say so? It's the same thing.

>> No.4198992

>>4195518
wasn't that some loose commentary on composition rather than a legit red line?

but its pretty unprofessional and worrying to mouse-scribbled MS paint on top instead of clean lines.

>> No.4198994

>>4198981
Frazetta was studying an instructional anatomy book. The anon is copying cropped stylized anime heads. It's clearly not the same thing.

Not saying the anon would not improve, but he'd hit massive diminishing returns after the first few copies.

But whatever, while it's not the most optimal use of time, it's not gonna kill him and it's still better than autistically minmaxing your plan instead of just drawing.

>> No.4199139

>>4198994
I agree, so just let the guy finish the challenge, we don't need to be so negative with everything we personally disagree. This much negativity every day just kills gains and make people very unmotivated.

The guy isn't going to draw ahegao every day until he dies, he just set out to do a challenge and see if it helps him. I think that's very positive and it also means that he's DRAWING (and even better, drawing a lot).

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4199312

from imagination, dk, just wanted to draw a cute girl

>> No.4199460

>>4199312
anon i respect the motivation but this is shit

>> No.4199498

>>4199312
>tfw anon can draw a better face than you

>> No.4199509

>>4199312
garbage

>> No.4199518

>>4199509
>>4199460
pyw

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4199524

>>4199518
>pyw

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>>4199518

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>>4199518

>> No.4199535

>>4199525
>>4199533
Hahahhahahaa oh man this board is so silly sometimes

>> No.4199653

>>4198482
whos face you are using or the artist?, want to try myself

>> No.4199657

>>4199525
ech

>> No.4199830

>>4198482
>I did not look at refs or the stuff I done I wanted to have a full raw out of nowhere just out of my head attempt.
You should always use refs if you have them even if you aren't practicing. There's no reason not to. The only reason you might not use refs is if it might take too long to find the right ones, but if you already have them, use them. We're not all gifted with photographic memory, so it's hard for most of us to see all the details of the image in our minds, and that's we need to see references as we draw. Drawing from memory isn't really gonna help you much. You're not gonna suddenly know what you don't know by drawing it. You're only giving yourself an unnecessary handicap by not using refs.

>> No.4199836

>>4199525
Is this the gray space dude of /asg/?

>> No.4199841

>>4199533
blog?

>> No.4199857

>>4199525
Based

>> No.4199957

>>4199312
soul

>> No.4199958

>>4199525
What kind of freak finds anorexic toddlers with elongated limbs and balloon heads attractive?

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>>4199525
Shit, that drawing wasn't half bad maybe it ought to be finished afterall.

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4200269

do u guys get it

>> No.4200272

>>4200269
moe doesn't fit you at all.

>> No.4200273

>>4200272
:( that hurt

>> No.4200322
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this is a very emotional and personal drawing, please rate

>> No.4200399

>>4200322
Home Movies/10

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Hi again Anons I am back again I managed to make myself do 5 more out of my own head and visual memory.

Now it felt a bit better than the first 5, I had a bit more patience with the hair occasionally. Even tough at least 2 of these are copies from my memory with minor alterations. I am sure you can find which if you look close.

Will post the total

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>>4200519
so far only 10 while we are at 60 from the reference

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>>4200516

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>>4200516

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>>4199830
Thank you Anon I know I should be using the refs but this entire experiment is about separating the two.

>>4198511
I understand but as I said earlier this is an experiment to see how the mindless exercise pays off. Nevertheless thank you for your kind advice.

>>4199139
>>4198994
Thank you for being positive Anons!

>>4199653
I am using the gif related, I converted the gif into layers in photoshop and went from there. I wouldn't really advise you try this, it is really an inefficient way to spend time but good luck.

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>Use Asian Model reference book to practice poses
>All my girls end up being sticc
>Want thicc
>Not enough mastery to reference the original into thicc
Fuck

>> No.4200627

>>4200541
LMAO

>> No.4200662

>>4200595
sketch sticc, overdraw thicc. sketch and refine, even the same image over and over until you get what you want. early on you may think the drawings you see were the first ones they did, but art is about iteration. the more you draw the same thing the better you'll get at it.

>> No.4200816

>>4200627
>>4200541
>>4200536
can you guys tell me what is wrong with it?

>> No.4200923

How do I into anime hair?

>> No.4200976

>>4200816
He's just saying that your figure looks like a flat cardboard with no real volume

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>>4200923

>> No.4201075

>>4201046
Not that anon.butThank you anon! Just what I needed

>> No.4201147

>>4200526
What is even the point of these they add nothing.

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>> No.4201231

>>4201188
The neck is weird like it's way on front.
It's pretty mediocre but I like it. Blog ?

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>>4201188
>>4201231
The anatomy too. Well needs loomis I guess.

>> No.4201243

>>4200548
ty, doing stuff by hand, so its probably going to be useful anyway. thank you :)

>> No.4201264

>>4201188
Slouch the shoulders together a bit, posture like that also creates a pretty significant curve for the upper spine

I honestly feel like the neck should be just like that, it just looks out of place as the rest of the body don't comply with it. A straight posture doesn't fit the character at all, I think.

>> No.4201267

>>4201231
>>4201233
>>4201264
thanks I meant to make her hunch forward a bit, the body became a bit of an afterthought

>> No.4201279

>>4200526
Hey i can feel your struggle when drawing faces

>> No.4201362

>>4200519
You aren't leaving enough space for the top/back of the head. The hair looks kinda scribbly in general, like you feel a lot more insecure when you get to that part of the drawing.
Pay a bit more attention to how to approach that part of the head when you do your next batch of studies and I'm sure it'll help.

>> No.4201443

>>4200976
fuck! really?! Is it the lack of wrinkles and shadows. I tried not to overdo it this time.

>> No.4201448

>>4201443
No. Those don't have anything to do with it. You simply aren't thinking in 3d.

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>>4201443
You should try drawing cubes to help get a better feel for 3D space.

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>> No.4201512

>>4201472
Is yuassa's perspective book scanned/uploaded anywhere? I've been trying to look for it for a while. If not,

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>>4201448
is it really that bad? because I just can't see it. I tried redrawing it, but it look ok to me.

I will try doing this >>4201472 after some break and hopefully I will be able to see it then.

>> No.4201713

>>4201680
That's a bit better. The costume flattened it a lot.

>> No.4201755

>>4201680
try studying actual poses first before getting ambitious and trying to do a "girl bouncing on one leg and another leg backwards with her arms up as seen from slightly below" from imagination

>> No.4201990

>>4201755
yeah! you are right, I should do more of those.

>>4201713
>The costume flattened it a lot.
was I that drew it in a bad way or was it the costume's design?

>> No.4202106

>>4198016
Yes
KJG said so too

>> No.4202120

>>4201680
Big brain

>> No.4202157

>>4202106
>KJG
who?

>> No.4202162

>>4202157
Kim JunG il

>> No.4202653

>>4201501
no anon, you're wifu won't become real just because you've drawn her

>> No.4202670
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I love this artstyle rreeeEEEEE

>> No.4202707

>>4200541
you killed my sides

>> No.4202714

>>4201501
I like it

>> No.4202762

>>4194121
>I don't understand the west's obsession with ugly, unappealing, unattractive character designs.
Jews.

>> No.4202874

>>4202762
I'm trying to think of hideous character designs (like Big Mouth) by non-jews but the only one I can think of is the Ren and Stimpy guy

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>>4200595
Thicc is disgusting. I hate the trend and hope it ends soon. Obesity acceptance has gone too far.

>> No.4202910

>>4201362
I will pay more attention on the back head in the future. Hair is a difficuilt subject for me right now but I will try to do better. Thank you Anon!

>> No.4203007

>>4202885
>trend
Oh no no no

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>>4202885
>thicc means obesity
Sticc roasties mad

>> No.4203022

>>4202885
based sticcfriend

>> No.4203050

>>4202885
honestly this

>> No.4203169

>>4202670
Cute. Sauce on artist?

>> No.4203437

>>4203169
fukuokalx on twitter

>> No.4203612
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grumpy anime boy with bad haircut and random bandages is loved by the faeries

>> No.4203872

Is anyone else studyng Date Naoto deconstruction ilustrated?

The breakdown he did on anime eys is great... I'm practicing this. This books seems great overall.

Just worrying I'm falling for a japanese book meme .

>> No.4203970

>>4203872
Don't fall for the "falling for the * meme" meme.

>> No.4203976

>>4203612
Nice triadic color palette. A lot of strange textures though, is that from scanning/photographing the piece? If so, you might want to look for another option that gives you more pleasing and accurate results.

>> No.4204041

>>4203976
Yeah, it might be from scanning. I'll try tweaking the settings later.

>> No.4204127

>>4203970
thanks.

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who else /mspaint/ here

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>>4204361
not me

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>>4204369
this is fun

>> No.4204470

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXeKuFECtpM&list=PLMXbAPr21di_-1K8CMTAdIUZ-qhxwZwgS&index=5&t=0s

Any youtubers like this or Proko for anime?

>> No.4204471

>>4200548
Can you post the separated gif? I would also like to do some studies

>> No.4204472

>>4204470

The only one I can recommend is Pin2d. which /IC recomended to me in the first place.

Most anime youters are really bad, unfortunately.

>> No.4204887

>>4204472
really even mikeymegamega?
though manga senpai is decent for layout and stuff.

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Getting used to a brush that isn't a simple marker is hard.

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>>4205304
You are reminding us a lot of this faggot.

>> No.4205318

>>4205310
>us
speak for yourself

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>>4205310
It's funny. I like lolibro a lot but I don't think he has influenced me at all.

>> No.4205548

>>4205310
>implying that's a bad thing

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Okuu

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>> No.4205624

>>4205548
It is, because he is a gigantic faggot.

>> No.4205983

>>4205304
pretty cute, I think the head on the right one could be a bit bigger. Also a bit less detail on her breasts since they look like a string middleground between flat and large.

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a lil late night study of a female that I am attracted to

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anime study

>> No.4207156

>>4206383
>>4207152
what's the point if you abstract all the features that you need to learn from and then ignore the reference for the parts you keep identical?

>> No.4207165

>>4207156
Mind elaborating? I'm >>4206383

>> No.4207167

>>4207156
i dont know im sorry i just wanted to draw cute and i despise copying reference but i guess i sometimes drift away and do it anyways cause im lazy and not patient i apologize

>> No.4207168

>>4207156
This is the anime thread not the realism thread.

>> No.4207170

>>4207165
what's the point of using reference if you stylize all of the parts of the reference that you clearly dont have an understanding of and then dont use reference at all on the parts that you should be using reference on.

at that point just draw from imagination. if you have an untrained eye you will make much more progress by just copying reference as accurately as you can and then doing your own drawing based on what you learned from the reference instead of drawing vaguely what you see and just reinforcing your own bad habits.

>> No.4207175

>>4207170
i am second guy you are right
fortunately this drawing took me only 10 minutes so not a lot of life wasted

>> No.4207192

>>4207170
Ok.. my goal is not to copy one to one exactly, I purposefully tried stylizing it based on the reference - you can tell by the huge anime eyes that the reference does not have. Do you mind being more specific with the things I clearly have no understanding of? I think this information would help me improve better than your other suggestions.

>> No.4207194

>>4207192
i've said the same thing twice and you dont seem to understand, i would just read my last post again. good luck

>> No.4207197

>>4207194
I'm asking you to point out an actual specific thing that needs improvement which you have not said

>> No.4207198

>>4207197
all of it pretty much. just do more reference studies and try to get it to look as much like the reference as you can

>> No.4207203

>>4207198
Alright thanks for the non help retard

>> No.4207205

>>4207198
i am the second guy i dont wanna be associated with that first guy >>4207203 he is rude

>> No.4207210

>>4207205
I'm the first guy and I don't want to be associated with the second guy because his drawing had 10 minutes of effort put in and our drawings are clearly at different levels and yet I get the same useless critique as him for some reason.

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>>4206383
Dude, anime is about stylization and simplification that is true but what makes it harder is not to change the expression and the face too much. Also since you have a photo reference try to keep the proportions consistent, for example the cleavage line on yours is shorter and I think the shoulders are also thinner.

On the reference the nose faces forwards while on yours it is clearly tilted to the side, while neither the mouth or the eyes follow this rule. Also the nose is a bit small and positioned higher than the ref.

Small details like a curvier smile can help to translate the expression to the anime version. Also take a look at the eyes, while your version is close the left side eye follows the nose tilt and the inner corner is obstructed this is not the case on the ref nor the right side eye. While on the right side eye seems to be looking towards the left instead of forwards and seem to be thinner than the left side eye.

Finally the light of the anime version doesn't really follow the light pictured on the ref, I can see now highlight on the bottom right side of the photo only the left lower side. Try to stick to the ref if you are using it, I know anime eyes are sparkly and shiny but not in a random way.

Here I tried to alter things I mentioned a while not changing it too much, frankly I would have made the eyes smaller in general but that is not for me to decide.

Did this help?

>> No.4207285

>>4207254
This looks worse in every way you changed it. I'm not even trying to be bitter, you just genuinely seem like you don't know what you're talking about. None of your explanations make sense either. The nose on mine isn't facing to the side, I just drew the edge on one side. The eyes on mine make her looking at the camera like the reference, while yours it looks like shes staring off into nowhere. You gave her a derpy exaggerated smile which doesn't match the subtle smirk of the original reference, or mine. You're just wrong about the lighting, you added highlights to her left arm where there is clearly none in the reference. and you made her look like a linebacker. I'm not saying mine is perfect but these are not good critiques. So no, it did not help.

>> No.4207287

>>4207285
I think the body is worse as it doesn't fit the head, but he made the head and neck better

>> No.4207289

>>4207210
>>4207285
Just draw more.
There, that's your critique.

>> No.4207329

>>4207289
Wow you really showed me! golly why didn't I think of that.. congrats you got your little holier-than-thou quip in.
>>4207287
alright, remind me not to participate in these threads anymore, its just a bunch of the blind leading the blind. he literally didn't even change the fucking neck except blur out the shadow, and he removed her entire jawline and ear so she looks like dora the explorer... and your contribution is just some subjective "i think this looks better" from the peanut gallery, just because he changed something and you don't even know what you're looking at. I bet you would jump off a bridge if someone told you there was treasure at the bottom.

>> No.4207376

>>4207329
u mad bro?

>> No.4207407

>>4207329
Well let's see. The values are off. The facial expression needs work. For example your qt bonita ref isn't just blankly staring at the viewer and smiling. There's a little smirk in there, and also can be noticeable with her eyes. The neck. Whole body seems off but at least the boobs distracts me from it. However, you're just going to just tell me these are bad critiques so yeah, just draw lol.

>> No.4207546

>values are off
fair, I'm a novice at coloring/ rendering
>isn't just blankly staring at the viewer and smiling. There's a little smirk in there, and also can be noticeable with her eyes
So you mean make her cheeks push up the bottom of the eyes? I feel that would make her seem too happy. Like you said, its just a subtle smirk. Otherwise what do you mean
>The neck
again, you just say vague things without actually explaining what is wrong. I call them bad critiques because they are objectively bad critiques you dimwit
>whole body seems off
Again again, how?? You can't just say shit and not explain. How can you expect me to take your criticisms seriously when you just say random bullshit and get defensive when I ask you for specifics

>> No.4207915

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=matilda_fiship

I think i just found who I want to be my primary art parent. how would you study this rendering? looks like there's so many strokes.

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>> No.4208335

>>4194009
How do people not have a basic sense of this? Like are you blind? Nobody expects you to know advanced color theory out of the womb but your eyes should be able to tell what looks good and what doesn't

>> No.4208341

>>4195753
Where are the tiddies? She looks flat

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>>4208333
>legs

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>>4208333

>> No.4208509

>>4208333
ref?

>> No.4208849

>>4208509
none, tried construction
>>4208508
thank you, damn I fucked up those knees

>> No.4208980

I have to set up keybinds today and it's making me not want to draw. I don't know how to go about it.

>> No.4208994

>>4208980
Ctrl+paint has a nice video on it. Basically you want your most commonly used shortcuts to be grouped together as close to your keyboard hand as possible.

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>>4197556
After that garbo from imagination, I went back to studies.
I really want to assimilate this rendering style, but I think it's just too much for me now.

>> No.4209506

>Watch 2 Vilppu videos
>Actually improved
10/10 Would recommend the old man

>> No.4209531

>>4207168
anime is an abstraction OF realism? the fuck are you even talking about?

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>>4193954
How long did it take you in particular to draw good anime hair? I feel like being able to do that is a big factor in looking like this medium.

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>>4209531
>stylized=/=realism

>> No.4210070
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4210070

couldn't find the qtddtot so I'll ask here
what makes an ass take this very steep double mountain shape?
what's pushing the glutes?

>> No.4210074
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>>4210070
I think it's mostly because of the shape of the pelvis. Look at how it looks from above.

>> No.4210076

>>4210070
The hip bones.

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>>4210074
>>4210076
>pelvis
fuck really?
this is what my beg mind sees when looking at this
how would the pelvis be then? if it isn't too much to be asking for a redline, I can't get my head around the perspective of that thing

>> No.4210159

>>4210157
god... are women even human...

>> No.4210162

>>4210157
The perspective of that drawing already seems funky. You should be analyzing photos instead because you'll know there can't be mistakes.
Also, bones create ridges where there isn't nothing over them, everything else is fat and muscle. That's what happens here.

>> No.4210241

>>4210070
>>4210157
The part that protrudes out towards the bottom like that is called the ischium. Its the big ring at the bottom of the pelvis. Also known as the sit bones since its what you sit on.

When the leg is flexed like in the image, the glutes are pulled over the ischium and it protrudes like that,

>> No.4210244

>>4210162
Or the artist just said fuck all and freehand it knowing that 99% of his viewers base doesn’t care about accurate anatomy unless it’s so blatantly obvious.

>> No.4210246
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>>4210241
To be clear, it IS the pelvis. The pelvis consists of 3 sections, ileum, pubis, and ischium.

>> No.4210265

>>4210241
>>4210246
oh shit so that was it, I keep forgetting how relevant the bottom is because I'm only studying in anatomy book with persons standing straight example, thank you so much anon

>> No.4210692
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4210692

Hi Anons, I return again with the newest batch of 61-70.

It is really late but I somehow made it before I pass out. Not much has changed in my abilities I feel beside that I am just getting more routine with these faces although I still can' figure out the exact measurement formula she uses for quickly putting the parts down. But then again my brain is pretty fucked right now. One thing tough that I with this batch I started to use a hard and large brush with pressure sensitivity on size and draw it straight with that brush, I really reluctant to do that until now but this will hopefully make it faster. So maybe that counts as some progress, fuck knows.

>> No.4210699
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>>4210692
I'm also facing an unexpected problem, my canvas is running out of space and I am not done yet I might need to expand it and reorganize or something or shrink everything but I really do not want to do that.

Again this pic is a shrunken version of the full canvas because the file is too big otherwise.

>> No.4210700
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>>4210699

>> No.4210850

>>4210699
This makes me want to do a ton of mouth studies, I can only draw like 3 different types of mouths
>>4210700
this is horrifying

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4211198

>>4209451
It's not a study this time.
Any thoughts before I start coloring?

>> No.4211278

>>4211198
Her right leg isnt attached to her body properly, it looks like its sticking out from between her (propery placed) legs.

>> No.4211307

Discord server? Lol

I'm surrounded by fucking amateurs goddamn it.

WHY AM I EVEN HERE!! FUCK YOU, this is a fucking hugbox filled of delusional /beg/s who think everything cheats at art just because THEY do!
Fucking leave this server if you want to get some actual art done, this is a shithole. A fucking hugbox.

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Why do you want to draw moeblobs?

>> No.4211393

>>4211307
The discord is trash but don't talk about it here you cunt.

>> No.4211396

>>4211307
pyw then crab

>> No.4211404

>>4211307
Old news

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i'm lonely person

>> No.4211652

>>4205624
I sure do seem to trigger a lot of autism in certain people.

>> No.4211659

>>4211652
Please don't go, lolibro.

>> No.4212104
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>>4211659
Where would I go?

>> No.4212105

>>4211516
Yes i am

>> No.4212143

>>4212104
Even if you don't post anymore, just knowing you're still here makes me happy. Too many artists I loved have disappeared.

>> No.4212148

>>4211652
It's your attitude, you know how bad it feels knowing you have a set of skills but complain and bitch and moan about how you don't like to draw and hate doing it when some of us would strive just to be able to do a quarter of what you do? Go fuck yourself.

>> No.4212160

>>4212148
It's not like his skill was bestowed upon him by the gods. It took effort. It's only up to you to get good. Now stop moaning and get to work, you whiny bitch.

>> No.4212178

>>4212148
>Tfw too new for /ic/ to understand this petty drama

>> No.4212180

>>4212178
Lolibro is relatively good and hit the jackpot with his style, but doesn't draw much, so other anons get mad.

>> No.4212282

>>4212148
Hey, I used to say the same about other artists back in the 1930s, when I was just starting out. Shit happens. Granted, in my case, half of that is memes, mostly propagated by people who, for some reason, are out to shit on me. But that's just part of the 4chan culture I guess. If people remember your name around here, prepare to get shit on.

>> No.4212544

>>4193954
>anime
>art
pick one

>> No.4212550

>>4212544
Anime.

>> No.4212557

>Do figure drawing
>Model has Ayy Lmao proportions
Ayyy lmao

>> No.4212561 [DELETED] 

>>4212550
fix it with proportion you like just make new figure as an artist

>> No.4212562

>>4212557
fix it with proportion you like just make a new figure as an artist

>> No.4212707
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>Be working in figure
>Trying to properly convey lines and capture everything
>Get horny from reference
>Kick into maximum coomerdrive
>End up with messy lines
The moment I get horny I lose any kind of patience and ability to do precision work. Anyone else dealing with this?

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>>4212707
I too add a feminine penis to the figure whenever I feel lonely and horny.

>> No.4212741

>>4212707
You need to work on your anatomy. Girls don't have dicks.

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>>4212741
>girls don't have dicks
Oh, sweet summer child.

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>>4212746
That's no dick.

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>>4212707
tiny hands. and in regards to the coomer question, the solution is to become black pilled to the point where you no longer appreciate the female form out of desire but instead as raw infatuation with nature.

>> No.4212882

>>4194971
>>4194983
>>4194994
>>4194996
しね

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>>4212863
Oh shit you are right about the hands. Thank you based doomer

>> No.4212928

Do you guys think it's a bad idea to pretty much only copy/practice? Whenever I draw my own ideas I hate the way they look since I can't draw them the way I want them to. Then because of that I end up not drawing for long and never finishing them. But I can practice copying drawings all day

>> No.4212973

>>4212928
isn't that guy >>4210699 doing just that?

>> No.4213332

>>4211391
Because they're cute.

>> No.4213340

Is it true people get mad over crossover drawings?

>> No.4213480

>>4199524
Dumb wojakposter

>> No.4213551

>>4213340
I love crossovers

>> No.4213574

>>4211307
Yeah no one likes the Discord, but Discord in and of itself is retarded so don't bother using it.

>> No.4213704

>>4212928
>Do you guys think it's a bad idea to pretty much only copy/practice?
Yes, because you end up doing
>Whenever I draw my own ideas I hate the way they look since I can't draw them the way I want them to. Then because of that I end up not drawing for long and never finishing them. But I can practice copying drawings all day

Make finished pieces and draw from your own imagination.

>> No.4213736

>>4212928
If you enjoy doing it, you might as well keep at it. Just apply some critical thought to what you're copying so you can learn from it, and don't stop trying to draw something of your own every now and then. Who knows, you might just make a breakthrough as long as you keep going. And if not... well, at least you had fun.

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How do you render clothes like this??

>> No.4214327

>>4213776
Zoom in a section, try to emulate the texture. If successful, apply what you learnt to the rest. Otherwise, repeat. I think there's an artists obsessed with tights, you can look up miru tights, maybe there's a speedpaint around.

>> No.4214333

>>4213776
Opacity and soft brush

>> No.4214336

>>4213776
Hard round brush

>> No.4214362

>>4213776
layers

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Trouble with proportions and especially hands.

Hit me with your best shot.

>> No.4214427

>>4214426
Needs more Loomis. Read the sticky, faggot.

>> No.4214687

>>4212882
わからへん

>> No.4214745

>>4214426
Literally read Bridgman and watch Vilppu

>> No.4215370
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Hi /asg/ so I am back again with another batch of faces these are my own attempts now at 20 and the copied versions are at 70 as pet post. >>4210699

Right now I feel like I am actually having fun with this practice, even tough if I am honest I still have a hard time crafting a full head from scratch and takes pretty long I feel way more comfortable going at it. Hair still feels like a mystery tough. I wish I could do them faster and with less fumbling around trying to find the face parts and then messing them up after removing the sketch.

As usual I'll post the total too.

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>>4215370

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>>4215370
and the soul

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I hate my lines when they're super clean.
Any tips to get my lines with fuller lines? I tried retracing them.
I am aiming for something like this.

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>>4215370


i don't know if the top from this pic >>4215376
are your drawings from imagination but since the last time you posted im seeing that you keep making the same mistakes, you are symbol drawing a lot and barely keeping anything from your refs, you are missing all the key stuffs from it.

you have to see the 3D form behing everything, which is hard on a fucking 2D drawing because is flat if you were to draw from real life objects this wouldn't be the case as you can see it all , that's why you need to use a lot of references if you are going to learn from a 2d media and then try to form a 3D model based on that, further more drawfags aren't machines so their drawings aren't 100% exactly the same and sometimes the proportions of their own style are a bit off, that's why again you need a huge library of refs to double check.

anyways you are drawing the eyes with no form behind them (symbol drawing) the same goes for the head and facial bone scructure, sometimes they are too wide,square or they are too flat, just take your time.


here's a shitty attempt of mine just to let you know how more or less you should try to see the forms as you draw em.

also just a quick reminder since you are placing the eyes on a stright line, the eye sockets are curved look at the blue example,

>> No.4215693

>>4215370
How do I draw hair?

>> No.4215747

>>4215693
Don't ask that guy, he doesn't know

>> No.4215981

>>4215494
Please respond

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>>4215494
>>4215981
It's something I'm trying to find out myself as well. And so far I'm getting mixed results
>Border of figure and outline of shapes (like the arms and boobs) get thicker lines. Bumps and and crevices use thinner lines
>If working in digital use a high res and a textured pen that can deliver both kind of lines from one brush size using different pressure
I think the only reason you haven't got any response is because no one truly knows the exact process on this thread

>> No.4216050

>>4216045
I'm not using a tablet.
My sketches always look so full and complete while my retraces look like shit.

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This is how i do rough constuction, is this fine?
Is there anything i should focus on.

>> No.4216069

>>4212928
Just copying won't teach you anything. Copying a few drawings from someone you like then closing the ref and doing your own in the same style from imagination will. You can go back and compare notes to see what you did differently.

Of course at this point everyone will just accuse you of aping said person's style, so do it again for 5 other artists and now you're so original.

>> No.4216072

>>4216045
>bumps and crevices use thinner lines
Huh, I always do exactly the opposite. I usually outline the entire drawing in a single line weight (0.5mm) then go back with a 0.7mm and fill in crevices, pinches, and places where two bodies are close together but not touching. Where they touch I leave the line weight light or even non-existent.

>> No.4216075

>>4215981
your question doesn't make any sense.

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>>4216065
This is a very good start but you should probably define the centerline and pelvis. You already have the ribcage. Page related from Hampton, the pelvis is basically just a box with a scoop taken out of the front, leaving the corners.

>> No.4216090

>>4216077
thanks, i always struggle with the hips

>> No.4216094

>>4216072
Can you show how it looks like? I'm curious

>> No.4216115

>>4216075
My lines don't look thick or full of life, how do i fix this?

>> No.4216124

>>4216115
How can someone give you pointers if you don't show a picture of what your current art looks like?

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>>4216094
sorry for repost from alt/stylization thread, here's some parts where I specifically went back in with the 0.7mm:
- Heavier lines in folds of cloth around armpit where sheets overlap, and also where the arm exits the sleeve I have the bicep insertion/drop shadow thicker
- Also right under the collar where the pocket of the shoulder pulls the shirt down it thickens for just a bit
- Barb on the anchor is made of two parts, one cylindrical (main body) and one flat (barb), where the two come together I extended the pure black from the hat's drop shadow deeper down
- Where the bangs are close to the face I leave the line separating the two pretty much constant width, when the two separate in space at the chin/jawline I thicken it up a lot
- Kneepit is a crevice
- Left thigh into right glute is a crevice, very dark
- Intersection of two cylinders for anchor stem/base
- left lines for marking off shaded areas in the shirt broken to keep them very light
- Also pretty much anything on the leeward? shadowed? idk how to call it side has thicker line weight.

There's probably a better guide for this, I remember someone saying you're supposed to darken closer (to the camera) lines and lighten further away ones and I keep forgetting that exists, also you're supposed to do something for parts under tension but I forget what it is, someone's posted the guide on /ic/ before

hope this helped

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please critique

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>>4216326
She cute, however
>Her upper body and neck is absolutely tiny compared to her limbs and hips.
>Both legs and arms are way off when compared to its respective pair, looks like foreshorting is off.
>Her upper body and lower body seems disjointed in the sense they are facing different ways while having no twist on the connection
>Her pose/posture/figure comes off as unnatural
>Finger length is wonky, ring finger shouldn't be longer than both the middle and the index
>She is missing a foot
>No penis
Overall I think if you work on correcting some of these areas your drawing will see a vast improvement

>> No.4216337

I looked at clip studio paint, and it has a lot of the features I've already wanted in a program, is it actually good? Are there any other programs with similar features?

>> No.4216338

>>4216337
It's the official art program of /ic/

>> No.4216348

>>4216337
Switching to CSP has been the best decision I've made. It keeps delivering on features that make my life easier, its also the source of half of the power of Japanese secrets. On top of that it has an asset store with loads of useful free materials. The only con I've with it is that the official documentation is google translate tier and does a terrible job at explaining all the cool features.

>> No.4216350

>>4216348
How much did you buy it for? I'm waiting for whatever discount they're giving this black friday

>> No.4216365

>>4216350
Bought it months ago so I don't remember. However do wait for a discount. They put it on discount every other day.

>> No.4216491

>>4216330
thanks

>> No.4216769

>>4210692
>>4210699
>>4210700
Wah! Sorry I'm late - my life's been a mess lately, I really have no excuse.
Oh my gosh you've been busy, look at all of these! They're looking really clean, have good shadng, overall they're just perfect! YOuve captured all of the artists intentions - I can barely tell the difference! We've hit 60-70 now - the big finish is just in reach, only a couple more to go...
I can see what you mean about the lines - I think they count! Progress is proress no matter what!
Also,assing out sounds really scary - if you're pushing yourelf to the point of your health being affected you're doing something wrong - take care of yourself always anon, I worry about you. You can't draw if you're unconscious you know!
>>4198482
>>4200519
>>4200523
>>4200526
Wow! I'm finally getting to see some of your original work! It's a joy to dig through these threads and find such gems - you've clearly taken notes on their style! Good job on the mouths and expressions - that's always been your strongpoint! try and keep the lines clean like you have in your studies - take confidence in your strokes! It might be worth redlining the faces you study so you avoid the condensing of the forehead here - but they're still so cool! I'd ask for your blog but you seem like the private type anon... feel free to share though...

Once again I apologise for being so late but Wow! What an amazing haul! Keep it up anon I'm rooting for you! \\\(۶•̀ᴗ•́)۶////

>> No.4217042

>>4215684
Thank you for your feedback Anon I will try to keep your advice in mind I also saved the picture thanks for the redlines.

>>4216769
It's okay Anon this thread is almost dead anyways. Thank you for believing in me for all this time! And do not worry I meant passed out then because it was late at night and I was really sleepy but I wanted to finish it.

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>>4216769
what the fuck is your problem

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i keep doing figure sketching but I'm not improving, i don't know what im doing wrong

>> No.4218070

>>4198778
You are so incredibly, and stellarly bad at drawing it feels like my gains are being taken away from me just by looking at your drawing. Now, to avoid just being a stupid crab who croags mindlessly, I'll lay down the reasons why you're as shit as I said. You have absolutely zero will to learn, to start. You have been drawing this exact same face, in this exact same angle for the past few years. At this point literally no one in /ic/ doesn't know you. To make matters even worse, you use that painfully overused stupid face as a shield, likely to cope with your very slight admittance to your shittiness. You probably pride yourself in drawing that face and using it to pat yourself in the back. As a result, you absolutely never manage to learn anything else. Not even the extreme fundamental of drawing, that is to think in 3D space. On top of your laziness to learn, what makes you even worse than the typical /beg/ is you're also lazy in learning your software. A lot of stupid begs out there refuse to learn drawing but still balance it out by learning all the fucking rendering in the world. But not you. You stick to your default brush. You don't even have the slightest idea of how to paint. I mean, look at that. Look at what you posted. You seriously think that's good? What gave you the impression that your post even deserves to be read by anyone on /ic/?

Seriously, cut your loss. Quit drawing. It's literally a diminishing return process for someone as dumb as you.

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>>4208333
>>4216248
Always great to see fellow touhoubros on /ic/, I don't know why there isn't any more anons drawing them.

>> No.4218081

I just wanna leave /beg/ already.
I've been drawing for two years.

>> No.4218092

>>4218081
You will get there Anon keep working at it! Have faith!

>> No.4218094

>>4218092
What do I do to get out of the beginner plateau

>> No.4218129

>>4218081
You need a teacher if you cannot move past the lowest of /beg/s in 2 years

>> No.4218146

>>4218129
this is where I'm at btw>>4218054>>4216326

I've been stuck here for a year

>> No.4218221

practice loomis you fucking weebs

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Should I learn to draw anime women from Mikeymegamega?

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>>4218146
What instructional books/video/materials have you consumed so far?

>> No.4218310

>>4218292
I tried loomis fun with a pencil, machael hampton figure drawing and design and a shit ton of youtube videos

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>>4218310
In my personal opinion loomis is a terrible meme, he is conveying good and proper fundamentals but in a terrible way since he seems to be downright terrible at explaining things properly, so unless you already have a good grasp on things it will leave you more confused. A shitload of youtube videos doesn't tell me anything at all since there is a lot of both good and bad material out there.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have a feeling you
-Never got too far into Michael Hampton's book
-Someone memed you into figure drawing being and end goal
Figure drawing is an extremely valuable tool but not an end goal. Think of it as a tool to solve the problem of what are you going to be drawing which will help you organize what you're looking at, its aim is to give YOU a rather clear sense of balance, volume and a layout for further refining the figure and build your anatomy upon in the next step.

I think you need to work on properly conveying volume on your figure drawing and solidify your anatomy and proportions.

Assuming anime. I recommend hitokaku for entry level simplified anatomy and construction, Pin2d for anime tips, Bridgman and Morpho (Simplified Forms) for more elaborate anatomy. Vilppu (figure drawing, anatomy and FEELING THE FORM). In doing these the more acquainted you become with fundamentals you will start to see a lot of overlap and start to form an understanding on it.

This might seem like a lot of material, all in all you gotta be smart and properly pace yourself, too little time and you will learn nothing, try to learn all of it at the same time and you will burn yourself out and retain nothing, the key is to have a constant and regular pace so it becomes habit.

Also last but not least, after you feel you've acquired a new understanding about something pick whoever might be your goal artists and try to use your new understanding to study them and try to dissect what they're doing and how they go about things. Hope this helps.

>> No.4218391

Sorry if this isn't the right thread to ask this but what are some social media/blog account to avoid if you're a gaijin who draw anime?
I made a DA and pixiv, do I need a hentai foundry account or newgrounds? (??)

>> No.4218672

>>4218232
lol no

>> No.4218772

>>4218391
It literally doesn't matter what platform you use as long as you're good. People will register on a site to follow you if they like it enough and it's free. Don't worry about it too much and just draw more.

t. made a twitter just to follow people

>> No.4218849

>>4218772
>as long as you're good
But that's the hardest part
You also need to be fast.
Thanks though, that's a good way to look at it. I'm also focusing on twitter even though I hate it

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>>4218232

>> No.4218874

New Thread:
>>4218873
>>4218873
>>4218873