/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4214837
Art communities suck. Crabbing is everywhere and arguably very worse than in IC. I'm lucky to be study in a place with minimal crabs but outside that bubble people can find a needle in a haystack in critique of your work.

>>4214837
I don't know to continue drawing or not.
I realized that I don't need to pursue art in life but instead a pleasurable life however I'm already good. I really don't want this talent left unused.

fuck all nigger subhumans who keep whining about art when it's all about sitting down and drawing

brb gotta do a billion mental gymnastics and 5000 threads on ic

I dont want to study realism because it's ugly as shit but i also dont want to make shitty art.. What do i do?

>stop drawing for years
>can draw from imagination just as well as I used to
>accuracy training turned to shit now though

Man the obsession with drawing is something that I get for a year then I burn out, stop... and after a while I get it back.

>>4214866
your shit taste aside, realism is important to understand concepts and bend them the way you like to make art
really you should study it

>>4214866
>I dont want to study realism because it's ugly
Nobody is going to tell you to continue doing realism stuff for the rest of your life.
Study from real life now, make whatever the fuck you want later.
Look at it this way, you're at the lounge of a hotel, you want to get to the 18th floor where your luxury hotel room filled with anime girls is.
You can either take the stairs or the lift.
The lift is filled with baby vomit and shit and there's a nasty hobo with a knife sitting in the corner. You can't even tell which button is which so you have no clue how to get to the 18th floor.
The stairs, on the other hand, are well maintained and it's a simple walk upwards, step after step.

You can either take the stairs (study from life) and put in some effort to get to that golden 18th floor without too much of a hassle.
Or you can use the lift (draw from imagination immediately because fuck studying) which will result in you getting lost in the hotel a couple of times and possibly getting stabbed by a hobo before you can make it to the 18th floor.
Needless to say, most people who choose the lift never actually get to the 18th floor.

I hate how procreate doesn't have nested folders. I have to use artstudio pro now. Someone please tell me I'm wrong.

>>4214837
How do I get good, thin lineart? I just want to draw the prettiest girl I have ever seen.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH IM GOING TO DRAW NOW
IM GONNA FUCKING DO IT

>>4214885
fun analogy anon

>>4214859
who is this brave and stunning young man on your pic and what is he trying to archive?

>>4214869
>accuracy training
what's that?

my tablet pen makes a popping noise whenever I press it up and down and it's fucking annoying do I need to replace the tip or something

>>4214922
>archive
All his loliporn before CIA niggers delete it all

My parents didn't react well to me coming out as trans

>>4214941
kys namefag

>>4214941
very funny namefag

I can’t jerk off to the smut I draw.

when does art demystify the world

>>4214837
i fucking love the mypaint pencil hoooly shit, but the rest of the software is meh.

>>4214885
>Study from real life
this is like the "write what you know". I want to draw supermodels and tanks, where the fuck do I find those? im broke btw

>>4215046
>I want to draw supermodels and tanks, where the fuck do I find those? im broke btw
This would've been a valid complaint if the internet didn't exist.
You can find a ref of literally anything with your good friend google.

>>4215054
I was only half joking, bud :)
when you guys say "from life" do you just mean "not other artists drawings"?

I really don't like how Twitter works. If your post hasn't made it in its first 10 minutes, it is basically over.
I miss Tumblr where you could get people to see your drawings even weeks later. That was comfy.
Now, if you wanna be successful, you have to be retweeted by some big names (and probably multiple times). Everything is so fake. Real life is shit, online life is shit, I am tired not being able to get a true connection with people.

>>4215063
so why do you still use it?

>>4215063
Is this what it all amounts to some people? Drawing for the sake of getting some petty views and likes and attention online? Whatever happened to create art for the sake of creating art?

>>4214925
Reference drawing basically - correct proportions, drawing what you see etc. I'm way off now.

>>4215069
likes=validation. and these are the people who disparage e-thots

>>4215078
Both are equally pathetic, at least the THOTS are exploiting lonely neckbeards by sucking their blood off their betabux.

>>4215069
>>4215078
>>4215090

why do people look down on wantint attention so much
yes i draw for attention
i want people to see me as a good artist and like my art

>>4215064
>>4215069
Maybe I want to share my work where people are? (Or, I can still go on MySpace I guess.)
Also, maybe I need to build a fanbase to be able to accomplish what I want?

If you want to keep your work for yourself, good for you. That's not my case.
Making it, for me, implies reaching as much people as I can. I want to have an impact on this world. This isn't possible if only two people see what I do.

>>4215097
It's such a vapid objective it is disheartening to see others do it for the 15 short minutes of being under the spotlight and then it's gone.

>>4215097
because 4chan only tolerates selected types of wanting attention. acting like an asshole on purpose and hating everyone including yourself is an accepted form of attention whoring, because its something everyone can do. attention whoring with your looks or skills is unaccepted, because the average 4chan dweller has neither. dont worry anon, once you step out of your room into the real world, needing and giving attention are the most basic elements of human interaction.

pic unrelated just a tutorial many begs could use

>>4215097
For internet artist types, more attention means a bigger audience means better odds for customers and money. If an artist makes it in the forest but no one is around to witness it, it's not really the same.

>>4215097
I have no disrespect for those who want attention, but learn how to draw first and then go seek it. I hate scrubs

>>4215103
I can't imagine somebody actually living up to gaining validation and attention from others, you're going to end up annoying other people nobody gives a shit about you or want to talk about you they have their own business to mind and the last thing someone needs is to put up with an empty shell always seeking attention from others.

>>4215111
> an empty shell always seeking attention from others
have you considered normal people with valuable skills and sincere personalities also crave attention? literally every artist you follow on social media is seeking attention simply by having socilal media acc in the first place. its the most basic human impulse to leave your marks in this world and take pride in other's praise. im not sure whether some of you are just simply confusing an artists who hangs a piece of their art on the wall and says "look! i made this! do you like it?" with an insta thot that gets mad when she doesnt get enough likes. i dont think its that radical to consider these two extremely different from each other and one of them morally right.

Works sucks and I can only draw on the weekends

These are the only threads that consistently hit the bump limited before getting archived.
It says a lot when the most active thread on /ic/ is full of a bunch of whiny fucking faggots, who do far more bitching than any actual work.

>>4215102
>15 short minutes
why
i want my fame to grow always

>>4215097
you are speaking a language and you want to communicate and say something
every genuine attempt at art is an attempt at reaching out to others

>>4214840
thats a good thing as long as you can filter out all the shitty obvious crab critique like "Lol it looks like shit"

>>4215063
>>4215097
you should go outside every once in a while

>>4215126
yeah and if you want more than 0 fucking feedback or likes you are "entitled" because your art isn't kjg tier

>>4214930
>Hating lolishit
Based CIA niggers

>>4215139
>waaaaahhhhb faGgoTs FagGOTS! FAGGOTS!!

>>4214837
I'm terrible, I got TONS of free time and waste it away not improving one bit, I'm very aware of it and still chose to be a useless shit 99% of the time. Please kill me I hate myself. Thanks

Goddamn the FGO fandom is so fucking picky when it comes to art.

On Pixiv, I usually get a good response with likes/faves on my general stuff and the rarish "flavor of the month" pics, but draw one mama Raikou and it has a lower than average response. Maybe that's because of the over saturation, but I drew some Azur Lane stuff during peak popularity and got super good responses with it.

Irritating.

FUCKKKKK JUST COLLAB WITH ME
I SUCK AT MAKING MY ART FROM SCRATCH I JUST WANT YOU TO DO SKETCHES AND THEN LET ME MAKE THEM LINELESS OR VECTOR THEM OR SOMETHING AHHHH
JUST GIVE ME LIKE 50 SKETCHES AT ONCE SO I DONT HAVE TO SIT HERE DOING NOTHING BECAUSE I DONT LIKE MY OWN STUFF USUALLY

>>4214837
so i found out that im still somehow fucking paying for photoshop and it didnt inform me that i no longer apply for that sweet student deal so i was paying 50 bucks a goddamn month for who knows how long.

I only use photoshop to resize shit and to prep for printing because CSP is obtuse about that- im just gonna pirate an old version and delete CC

>>4215167
blog?

>>4215184
You can pirate CC though anon

>>4215193
please link im so tired of adobe

>>4214840
>worse than ic
I cannot even imagine that, what kind of art communities are you talking about? IRL or online?

I have no idea on how to make a living by drawing
Maybe I should just find a job that will give me enough free time and money

>>4215199
please forgive the reddit link
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/arbt9p/ultimate_adobe_guide/

>>4215206
the furries pay well if you manage to find a kink niche

>>4215206
commissions or maybe try shirt design making. Good passive income at the very least.

>>4215209
ayy thanks!

I took a month away from drawing mostly because I got obsessed with a couple of video games, and now that I actually want to draw something, it's a fuckin struggle.

Sometimes I wish I have never started art.
I don't know what stops me from abandoning it right now.

hell, even in elementary I'd throw my drawings away asap

The artistic canon is nothing more than a social construct and not based in objective reality. There is no actual reason that the works of Leonardo, Mozart, and Shakespeare should have endured longer than the works of any artist, aside from the political and ideological motivations behind the concept of "the canon", people wanting to accumulate cultural capital by liking the "right" artists, and the random and unjustifiable vissicitudes of taste.
It is impossible to demonstrate, just by pointing to the intrinsic qualities of an artwork, why it should be considered better than any other work. Visual artists at least have the standard of verisimilitude to go by, but, there's already thousands of kids on youtube who can paint photorealitstically, so where else is there to go from there?
An artist can point to empirical data points about their success - "I've sold this many copies", "I've won these awards" - but is that really the highest position you can aspire to? A snake charmer of the idiotic and contemptible masses? Once you've stripped away the myth of artistic genius, pop culture ephemera is all that remains. Is that the most valuable kind of life you can lead? Is that the best way to cultivate virtue?
All art is a dream that is fated to die.

>>4215214
Have fun anon
Fuck adobe. They changed my subscription to an annual fee that you pay monthly (You are forced to pay for a whole year but you still get charged monthly) and they charged me $75 to cancel it (still costs less than the rest of it). A $75 fee to cancel it. Fuck you. I should have jsut kept using my pirated copies for my college graphic design class.

>>4215232
all art is subjective, and that means that there is no "best" at anything in art ever. you have people who can draw photorealistically but they cant draw a coherent comic to save their lives. you have artists who have high technique but low personality in their art, and vice versa. all find their own degree of success. It's all both meaningful and meaningless, as the desire to create is inherent to the human condition, and one's personal pursuit of mastery, whatever form it may take, is a worthy journey in itself regardless of the world around them. People have always liked pretty pictures and they always will.

I want to start stream or recording my drawings to see if that'll help motivate me to finish a piece. Now I except the first few times will be a test and just for myself.
BUT, I do plan on doing it publicly at some point. What the hell would I talk about?! I know I can type but that sounds like it'll break from the drawing. I'm boring I don't have a life. I don't know should people be okay with just silence?

>>4215238
talking about your process as youre doing it makes for good starter content while youre trying to get the hang of the streamer lifestyle. maybe have music in the background to help pick up the slack, but i wouldnt worry too much about filling a whole stream with nonstop words, especially when youre just starting out

>>4215238
I record my work but I don't post it. It's nice to see what you do while you draw and it can help you understand your thought process. Do it, it doesn't hurt

>>4215232
the fact that you are posting this on 4chan makes it infinitely less intelligent than it must sound in your head

>>4214837
I just want a qt 6/10 gf I don’t even care about art anymore I am so lonely and horny aaahhh

>>4215249
that fact that you think it's an original post makes you infinitely more retarded than you think

>>4215179
>literally stealing someone's work with minimal effort
You're like those colorfags in the drawthreads who take your drawing and color them then get praised for it because they literally used the paintbucket tool.

>>4215179
sure bro, add me

>>4215251
then talk to girls about shared interests and like. actually make effort to make yourself attractive to people you want to attract.

>>4215251
go outside you fucking virgin

Can't draw for about a week because iPad is under repairs

>>4215249
I'm not trying to sound smart, I'm just venting. It's the vent thread. I don't think I wrote anything that's hard to understand.

>>4215252
It is original, I literally wrote it just now.

>>4215272
Pen and paper

>>4215126
I'm glad when people important to me or other artists enjoy my work but I fucking hate social media and don't give a shit about opinions of random people. Making account somewhere will be inevitable at some point though. Right now it would be more pain in the ass than it's worth, I'll worry about advertising later. My only problem is that I may be missing out on possibilities. Besides that, I don't have anything to vent about. I'm progressing slowly but surely while being intermediate, of course having ups and downs, feeling that I could have put more effort and I'm sometimes taking too much time. But realistically speaking, it's not a sprint but a marathon and I'm getting closer with each day.
>>4215139
I think looking at ic most of people would benefit from exercising to relieve the stress and relax a bit. Along with healthy diet and good sleep it really helps with will being and overall attitude. Stop bashing yourself for not doing enough and gradually start productive habits, if you fall don't get upset, just try to get back to it next day.
Another thing is having a good friend or a mentor that will reassure you a bit and share their own troubles, you'll feel that way that your struggles are quite universal for artists.

>>4215251
Isn't tinder like a thing?

>>4215334
Anon probably isn't looking like an average human being and smells bad

>>4215204
IRL

If it's not something about the colours, values, or form they dislike, then "the style is derivative" or "Not really my thing. meh. good job."

>>4215334
Yeah but I don’t meet up with anyone on it anymore, just keep it to boost my ego and shitpost irl
>>4215335
My mommy says I’m handsome.

Did some calculation.
If I continue working for the next 1.5 years (when my contract ends), and live as cheaply as possible, I'd be sitting on ~$100k.

I hate my current work, I don't want to be doing this for the rest of my life.
With that much money, if my calculation are right, I might be able to live on it for ~10 years, maybe more if I move back to my grandma's house.

Or maybe I can use it to study at a good atelier in America? Improve my skills and get feedback, then move back home

I'm feeling somewhat hopeful, anons. For now I'll keep studying as hard as I can and saving money.
Thanks a bunch.

>>4215335
Still tinder, although it'll probably not going to be a 6/10 who is willing

I felt good since recently I got recognized by not just one, but multiple artists I admire (some who have made their own popular series) but I just feel like a fucking fraud now. It used to be I would push myself to get to a point where I'm okay with what I made, and can also maybe receive recognition from other artists but I was wrong. It feels hollow and empty for some reason. What am I doing wrong? How can I stop this negative spiraling?

I need a muse

>>4214857
Post work you talent-less hack.

>>4215348
what country are you in?

I fucking hate Twitter, and I fucking hate social butterfly Artist on Tumblr. Just fucking make a separate account for blogging/micro phoning.

I've been getting a small influx of followers because of some shitty art I made that blew up a little bit. However now I'm anxious as hell because I've just started to improve my art in a significant way and most of my gallery is very crappy. I just feel bad that I have nothing to show these people. I wish I had made more art and I worked faster but my university is very demanding and I barely have time to draw anything that's good enough to publish.
I wish I was a neet who could shit out a bunch of drawings a day. I have so many ideas and so little time, I'm starting to resent uni a bit because it's distracting me from what I really love to do.

>>4215829
don't forget to do your internship before you graduate kiddo. It's best to get that out of the way first before you can worry about the real thing after uni.

>maybe I'll make a DA
>check the site
>weight gain on the frontpage
why am I in this timeline

Everyone around me just wants me to fail. No one cares how i want to live my life. They're not actually listening what I have to say. They just want to push there own agendas, by manipulating me into "do what's best for you." I'm about sick of this and either going to walk out or check out.

>>4214837
>vent
I'm never going to get past mediocre. Whenever I get time to draw, I only want to draw what drives my boner.

>>4214840
Crabs still better than a hugbox, imho
>>4214857
Do it as long as it makes you feel good
>>4214859
Omg THIS THIS so much
>>4214866
Learn realism in order to stylize it to your liking
>>4214869
That's perfectly fine
>>4214895
Never missed that feature?
>>4214905
Draw many lines across many years
>>4214928
Yeah, replacement nibs usually come in the original packaging
>>4214941
It's not tragic as long as you're no longer dependent on them
>>4214984
:c
>>4215063
Never experienced being popular on Tumblr but yeah Twitter is super annoying, then again so is all social media. True connection is scarcer than it seems, usually just within family, between long-time lovers and best friends.
>>4215135
I know how it is
>>4215139
Artists are sensitive people (duh). Writing down your issues helps a lot in collecting your thoughts.
>>4215166
Np
>>4215167
Algorithms man... They control everything
>>4215179
Hope you find someone
>>4215206
Do market research to find out what sells and where your skills could be useful
>>4215222
I know that feel
>>4215224
Same
>>4215251
Don't girls fall for the artist cliché anymore?
>>4215481
Recognize the feeling, accept it and it'll start fading away
>>4215829
So much to do, so little time... I feel you
>>4215901
You show them who's boss.
>>4215933
It's great that you have a steady influx of ideas

>>4216014
at this point you might as well put on a trip for the complete reddit experience

>>4214837
> drawing is easy and requires no skill
> if I make a mistake, I can pass it off as a style
Fucking normies.

>>4214837
Just the usual - fed up with the impatient and arrogant neets here who think the world owes them a career in art, and talent. That's why I only come around once in a while. Why bother trying to teach those who don't want to listen in the first place? You don't wanna put the time in? You're not gonna make it.

>>4215060
not sure what that anon meant, but some of my drawing instructors would insist that you should never, ever draw from photographs because they distort images. When you look at something with your own eyes you're seeing it with two lenses combined into one image, a camera has one lens and flattens it out.
However, most pro artists do use photos as references because they don't have access to everything they need irl. Once you've been studying drawing enough, and understand form and lighting, you should be able to use photos as a reference without making a flat copy.

There are some rare people out there who insist on never using photographs because of "write what you know" type of logic. But that kind of advice is generally coming from hippie dippy types who are only interested in making "deep" art and generally have nothing to offer a person who wants to do illustration or concept art.

>>4216037
It's not just normies who think that. Pretty much all of the instructors at my local college would insist that anyone can learn to draw good and therefore it wasn't something worth pursuing or worth showing off in a gallery. They would try to tear down people in critiques by saying things like "did you draw this just to prove that you could?"
The fine arts is probably the only field where people will put you down and laugh at you for putting the time into learning a skill.

recently I've been struggling to finish art for freelance work because it all feels stiff and wrong. But it's all character types and poses that I've done a million times before, I don't understand why it's suddenly making me so anxious and self deprecating. I need to get over this so I can finish the work, but I don't know how to keep myself from spiraling like this.

I want to stab something.

>>4216192

>>4214837
I fucking hate this board. It's full of miserable people. 50% of you hate drawing, and 40% hate watching the only 10% who do enjoy drawing. Even more importantly, everybody just hates each other. Can't have a decent discussion... 2 comments into a thread it turns into degenerate name-calling that helps absolutely no-one.

Unfortunately, it's the only community I know that's active and gives advice (whether good or not). I can't deal with one person on discord saying "Pretty good" and calling it a day, and social media is nothing but likes, which don't mean shit. I literally like everything I see on instagram, even the things I don't like. So I know that's what others are doing.

>>4216237
I love how even when you're interacting with someone who has double digit followers you just end up putting a like or maybe a short generic comment if you really care because messages are too forward. And everyone complains how hollow and shitty it is but if you actually send someone a message to talk about something you don't even get a reply.
The internet is making me wonder if I'm an autist or a retard and somehow I got by like a normal person so far.
I think this is why people become this shitty and bitter online. I'm slipping too. It's happening on every social media site so it's not just 4chan.

>>4216255
Comments are as hollow as likes. I look at people who've made it into 4 digit followers and they get something like 3 or 4 comments a post and they're all "very nice" and fire emojis.

And I'm guilty of this, too. Everytime I tried to give constructive critique I got hit with a comment from the artist that boils down to "Thanks, but asking for it."

I even tried Amino for a while. You get a fuckton of comments and likes on that app if you're halfway decent. But it's all the same... bunch of fire and clap emojis. Then one time I tried doing a crit run. Was on a /beg/ amino, and left feedback on 4 or 5 pieces that had a lot of fundamental issues, and none of them replied except one. I will always remember that comment because of the way it was phrased:

> so ur gonna just run around and critique peoples art huh

Like I was doing something wrong. I don't usually feel pissed off by what normies do, but this one really did me. And I wasn't even doing the /ic/ thing. These were really nice, constructive critiques, sandwiched in between tons of "You did a great job".

Now maybe I'm getting too old for this shit. I'm 34 and I'm pretty new and I understand art communities are populated by people under 25 who want to draw anime cliches and Steven Universe. And I get it. You do you. But goddamn I cannot understand this "like" culture.

How are you gonna get better without feedback? And why don't you care about getting better?

>>4216274
> "Thanks, but asking for it."

I meant

> "Thanks, but wasn't asking for it."

I'm fucking retarded.

>>4216237
Motherfucker this site it's not made to make friends, not anymore at least.
Just LEECH all the useful shit it can give you and don't bother at being nice to others. Fuck me the less you interact the better.
I personally get in this shit site to take out the gems in it so that i can make them shine outside, not only /ic/ related every board has useful stuff, i just couldn't care less of the bitter idiots posting around said stuff and neither should you, they don't put bread in your mouth and are only good at putting obstacles in your path.
Also
>discord
>obsessing over social media
Never obsess yourself over this crap, nobody owes you essays on your art and i don't think it's healthy to seek them from randoms on the internet anyway.
Big dicked artists never lived out of cheap popularity, they made good shit and people who liked them gave them MONEY to make it, that's the feedback to look for, you're no rockstar, you're on the background sadly, and unless you're somebody with the charisma of dalí or andy warhol give up on having fanbases.
I higly suggest you rethink your priorities.

>>4216278
Listen man, I agree with everything you said.

My only issue with this attitude of "social media doesn't matter" is that unless you're looking to work full time at an art job, where you have an interview and bring a portfolio and whatnot (I don't know how people find art jobs, because I don't want to do that) then you NEED a social media fan base of sorts. How are you gonna get paid for commissions or prints if people don't even know you fucking exist?

That said, I appreciate the reality check.

>>4216278
Continued
I've just read >>4216274
It doesn't fucking matter about giving critiques, nor here on 4chan or any site that isn't heavy moderated with certified artists and begginners willing to look for help, in other words it NEEDS to get as close as possible to irl interactions between student and teacher.
Look i get what you want, but real life doesn't sync with the internet in many ways, giving critiques and expecting them from randoms is plain stupid, if we were in an ideal world filled with nice people it may work, in reality to go around leaving critiques makes you look like a narcissist no matter how much good will you have sorry.

>>4216283
You know man, popularity is really a meme, you'll get your whales soon or later if you go down that path, all you need to do is keep being you.

Everytime i look back on the stuff i have made after like 1 day 95% of the time i feel extremely bitter about it. I feel as if i am going nowhere, never to where i want to be. Barely anything i do looks appealing in my own eyes, even though i stopped hating the drawing process itself. I'll keep at it i just want these very negative feelings to go away.

>>4216274
>>4216275
>>4216288
When I said that I was talking just about having a small conversation or a little chat about the artwork, like asking a question about influences or anything more human and structured than "amazing wow thumbs up". You don't do that because social media is garbage and it makes such a simple thing awkward, so you leave a shitty comment and a thumbs up or say nothing at all.
Also I personally don't mind it, but you shouldn't leave unsolicited critique on people's social media posts because in most cases they're attempting to gain followers or show off their art in a positive way rather than looking for crits, so you're throwing them a spanner in the works.
Maybe send them a DM.
>How are you gonna get better without feedback?
Honestly I think feedback is mostly useless unless it's someone with really eye-opening insight giving you the tips. When you're /beg/ you're just supposed to read the books and past that level you can just compare your thing to the thing you wanted it to look like and see what you did wrong.
My rant was about human interaction, not art gains.
>>4216278
/ic/ and discords are shit and popularity doesn't matter, but a lot of the ranting anons just want basic validation and not live in constant social defeat.
The issue here is that you simply cannot achieve that on social media, I'm sure that 5000 likes per post would feel just as shitty if it didn't come with the bonus of being able to monetize your shit somehow.

>Match a person on Tinder
>Says they love to draw
>In fact just copies photos of portraits

Every fucking time.

>>4216143
thanks dude, I've always had a problem with the "draw from life" term, because it feels like im cheating/missing something drawing from photos

>>4216237
The crabs here are worse than any other place, that’s another thing your forgot got add. They fucking too down some kid’s account cause their art is better, kek.

>>4216237
Ic harassed and took down some kid’s twitter account because their art is better theirs. This board’s crabs is making this place more of a shithole than it needs to be.

>>4216553
>break the rules on a site
>get account deleted for breaking the rules

>>4216556
Lets be honest, would ic give a fuck about reporting if their art was shit?

>>4214837
Imagine if you were around in the 70s I could have made a career and been famous drawing this poorly.

>>4216609
You realize cartoonists are still a thing, right? Half the magazines in the world have stupid cartoons like that. If you're so good, why don't you make it? Let us know how it goes.

Alternatively, pyw.

Why am I so fucking low energy all the time
Has a lifetime of being boring trash condemned me to be that way forever

>>4216616
Because I'm not a shameless tranny loving shitlib faggot.

>>4216619
Depression is exhausting. I started seeing a therapist this year. He said depression isn't the default, it's a reactionary response that is as exhausting as clenching a muscle and you could be doing that for years at a time. Your body doesn't just adjust to that demand, you're just wearing yourself out. You need to address the root cause. Otherwise your are going to die.

None of the interviews or job applications I applied to have gotten back to me, fuck I want to die, neither the art industry jobs or Tesco/Asda/Pets At Home etc
I am a worthless leech. They didn’t tell us when we were kids if you worked your ass off you’d still have to grovel at the feet of potential employers just to not even earn minimum wage. Follow your dreams my ass.
I feel so useless. If this is life for the next 50+ years I don’t see the point.

>>4216237
>>4216274

You're /beg/ tier because you think you'd actually improve from "advice" and "critiques" on /ic/. People here can't draw for shit and there's no point getting comments from any of them because they suck and don't know what they're talking about.

Artists that made it get critiques and advice from teachers and artists better than they are not from a random internet mob of idiots. People who give good advice don't do it for free.

Isn't it funny how only /beg/s think they are so good at drawing that everyone should listen to their shitty advice? /asg/ (both of them) are literally /beg/ human centipedes eating their own filth it. And you're part of the problem.

I don't critique anyone because I know I am shit, and if the person has any self awareness they'd realise they are shit too. The reason /ic/ is shit because there are too many /beg/s and they all have their heads up their asses like you do.

You're the problem. /beg/s are the problem.

The only way to fix this is to put /beg/s in their place and reply their their deviantart tier shit with "yikes" or something. It's a continuous process but there's just too many /beg/s and it becomes a /beg/ cycles of retardation.

Just enjoy it for what it is.

>>4215179
just send degenerate shit

>>4216659
(continued.)

And it is funny that I write this because what most people need is encouragement. The artist already knows their work is shit but posted it for you anyway, nobody wants to see some retard critiquing their work espescially when they didn't ask for it, they don't need you tell them anything, they know it's shit.

>>4216672
what do you mean

>>4216679
>When they didn’t ask for it
Hey faggot, if they didn’t want people commenting/critiquing on their shit, then why post it at all? If you are going to post your shitty artwork on a PUBLIC fucking, then you’ll expect some feedback, unless you want your ass kissed.

>>4216679
>When they didn’t ask for it
Hey faggot, if they didn’t want people commenting/critiquing on their shit, then why post it at all? If you are going to post your shitty artwork on a PUBLIC fucking fourm or social media, then you’ll expect some feedback, unless all you is praise and your ass kissed.

>>4216699
>Want

>>4216699
Oh look another /beg/ with their head up their ass. Keep dishing out those "critques", see who gives a shit lmao.

Yikes.

>>4216699
Oh great /beg/ shitter feel free to post some of your work (and critiques) so we can get a good laugh. I’m counting on you.

>>4214840
>>4214837
I'd love to have friends or at least people to chill with online and push ourselves to draw. But not in a gay ego way were it becomes dick measuring and angsty.
Every time I join a community there's always that one guy or girl who tries hard just to flex in the chat with their perfect photo study and it wouldn't be annoying to be around these people if they were just chill but they unironically think they're better than you, always making everything about them, which is lame highschool shit. My ideal friend group would be something like this
-sup bro, how you doing
-nice, got some food for today
-cool, wanna do some figures later?
-sure, talk to you later

non clingy, healthy sane people with normal ego is very difficult to find, especially on 4chan

>>4216709
>>4216718
Here’s my shitty doodle, now post your own work, faggots.
Another thing, seems like you misunderstood what I wrote somehow?
Anyone can say anything they fucking want to. Especially in public places, and Ic always shitting on other social medias like Reddit, tumblr, and twitter for being hugboxes.

>>4216748
Yikes!

>>4216748
Yikes!

Do straight female furries exist? Are they guaranteed to consort with beasts given how common it is with normies?

>>4216728
I gotchu bro! You on dad?

>>4216748
I like the face, and how the scribbled nature of your lines naturally makes this character look psycho. Other than that, I'd try to focus on maybe not going over your lines. Like practice doing one line and not going over it again. I think you'd improve exponentially if you you did that.

>>4216748
This is below deviantart tier. The best part is where you turned him into an amputee because you can’t draw hands. The city of /beg/s. This is literally dog shit and you wonder why people don’t take your crits seriously.

>>4216774
It looks like it has the body of a discord tranny.

>>4214922
A Romanian citizen during the revolution in 1989

>>4216728
Not to blame you, but are you sure it's not all in your head? I've been in a few discords and I've seen "flexing" just once, with this one person who blatantly posted WIPs every time someone else was getting attention.
It can be frustrating that the guy making a photo study gets all the praise all the time, but as I see it they're just posting their art. Maybe I'm socially clueless but the worst they do is post their WIPs a few times too many but I doubt it's malicious.

>>4216784
>>4216774
kinda random thought, i think there should be a rule on discords where you cannot post anything in the wip/finished chats until theres at least one crit about the previous picture. otherwise it quickly turns into a stream of random art where nobody learns anything.

>>4216780
It's either someone who draws women, or the person drawing is a woman. That's the only reason why I think they gave this character a round chest and wide hips

>>4216785
An honest critique that isn't just dogging someone for the sake of meme culture on a Mongolian throat singing board

I draw some pretty decent original stuff and everyone I show it to always tells me it’s great or that I should make a comic. I’d like it put my stuff out there more but I absolutely hate/ can’t use social media.

>>4216790
Make an Instagram
Post your art with appropriate hashtags
????
Profit

>>4216790
Just use instagram to post the art. You dont even have to really interact with people. Just put it there with tags.

>>4216774
Yea, I shouldn’t over done my lines, I usually don’t do, but I did rushed it.
>>4216776
Seems like another dumbass misunderstood on what I wrote.
>>4216780
What?

>can't even create a social media account anymore
>as soon as I create it I feel that looming hopelessness from posting shit for years and getting nothing back
>I can't even get to choosing an avatar before I delete everything
I can't post anything anymore. I don't want to accept I'm ngmi but just seeing the instagram interface fills me with stress like it's a job interview. I'm so fucking burned out, I need a vacation.

>>4214837
test

>>4216766
Yes but they do exist.
There's also lesbian furries.

>>4214837
>tfw injured your wrist and forearm.
>never healed
>killed your art gains

>wake up
>go to uni
>return home in 9 hours
>start doing assignments
>finish, look at the clock
>it's time for my 6 hours of sleep again
WHEN THE FUCK DO I PRACTICE THE ONLY THING I ENJOY IN THIS WORLD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4216855
Make one only for your best and one for the rest.

I have no passion for drawing per se. I am obsessed with it. I had no intention of being an artist in fact I used to despise it. I knew no one would help me bring my ideas to life so I bit the bullet and decided to pursue art. I probably would have quit in the beginning but my peers looked down on me and discouraged me. This motivated me to keep going. I may have no apptitude towards art but my obsession, determination, and sheer willpower keep me going to prove them wrong.

I don’t think I’ll ever improve... Is taking advice from /beg/ critics really the right answer?

>>4217222
Unfortunately yes, you’re at the lvl where the common ic user can decently give you critic.

>>4216274
I've seen artists stagnate for years while their peers have improved substantially. and yet their work still gets robust engagement and they are well liked in their communities. they seem happy and they and their friends are having fun and making fond memories with one another.
try not to remain so stuck in thinking in objective truths for all things, because it will only make you miserable.

I don't understand and get the reason why some people constantly self deprecate themselves and say things like
>my art is trash
>I suck lololool
>drawing is haaard
>I want to die! uwu
other than to gain sympathy points and pity on the internet. There's so many of these kind of people lately and it's irritating as fuck. Kill yourselves fucking attention whores

>>4216014
what a bloated, ugly and vacuous post

>>4217082
Unless they give you the assignments at the end of your school day, why not start doing them in class or during lunch? (Does college have lunch?)
Used to do that in highschool

>draw deliberately to practice
>get stressed out, produce shaky lines, art turns out terrible
>draw just to draw, no book learning or deliberate practice
>stable lines, no chicken scratch, art turns out better, usually end up drawing what I learned from the book/vid/whatever anyway

How do I get the "just draw to draw" non stressed state but when drawing from a book?

>>4217867
youre more likely to be more relaxed when youre drawing stuff you like- maybe making sure that your practice is also about stuff you wanna draw will help you

>>4217881
If my practice was about stuff I enjoy, I would never improve
I've gotta work on the fundies first, and arguably, getting basic perspective and proportions comes before even attempting to shade anything beyond basic shading to show form
I can't just immediately draw orcs and flat chested tomboys right away when I can't even make a 2/3s face without the eye falling off and the lips being straight on.
I mean, yeah I could draw tomboy faces for my practice but the act of having to think of the perspective and proportions is the reason my lines are shaky and it looks less pleasing than my usual drawings because of the shaky chicken scratch muddying everything up.

Don't worry, at least I'm learning and incorporating it into my casual drawings, eventually I'll be relaxed when doing things like thinking about perspective and proportions

>>4214859
this picture makes me want to paint it

I'm just waiting for the time when personal/original art is seen just as cool or important as fan art in social media. If you don't draw fan art, or aren't famous, then you'll never get noticed

>>4214837
I'm not happy with my current anatomy practice, it took me 40 mins, in silence mind you...

>>4217958
those muscles are made up
you need Vilppu videos

>>4217958
Good to see you're putting in work and effort even if it frustrates you anon. If it's any consolation it doesn't look like total shit haha you've got something oing, best of luck onwards with vilppu!

>>4217840
Can relate. It's not just today this was a lot common back then.
Don't worry, just cringe at them. I feel better about myself when I see these flocks of sheep.

>>4218158
>>4217840
>always a girl
>five digit followers
>active social life, boyfriend, hangs out with a clique of other artists IRL
>upper class lifestyle, makes money with her art
>UwU I'm so depressed ಥ_ಥ pls donate to my Patreon

>Put work into improving
>Improve
>Despite this feel no joy whatsoever
>Still feel incredibly disatisfied with my current level. More so than ever.
>For some reason I'm unable to enjoy my work, the process or the results
>Find more joy in other people's work than mine. Regardless if its technically inferior or superior
I think most of the things on /ic/ are cool except mine which fills me with dread.

>>4218241
do you just grind a lot?

>>4218244
Been grinding less lately and working more on finishing pieces. The only place I post them is on /ic/ and rarely since I'm all around disatisfied with the results. I'm currently at the level where things don't have any glaring faults yet feel absolutely unremarkable so it makes a lot of sense for people to not post anything about them.

>>4218255
>working more on finishing pieces
Do you think you are actually making the art you want to make or are these still studies etc.
It seems like you're more dissatisfied with the art you're making than your technical level desu

>>4215232
Cope marxist pig.

>>4218260
I think you might be onto something. I ultimately want to produce fetish coomer art. I have no issues consuming it but I find myself unable to bring myself to produce it, despite living alone and having all the privacy in the world.

>>4218283
>I ultimately want to produce fetish coomer art.
please kill yourself

>be me
>get no traction on social media
>keep trying for years
>slowly becoming more and more jaded and cynical
>make fan art purely for faggots that I know will retweet/promote it.
>make Coomer art of specific large but niche IPs cause I know it’s gonna get more analytics.
>they’re not even that good
>try posting my original stuff
>gets no traction whatsoever.
>pop a Xanax
>pop another Xanax
>afterwards, start feeling really bad
>don’t have any more Xanax
>have a mental breakdown
>take another just for good measure
>delete everything off of your Deviantart, Instagram, Pixiv, Twitter, and Newgrounds
>block then unblock everyone’s that follows you because then they’ll be removed from you followers list.
>no one actually gave a shit
>put out a statement saying that tired of everyone and that I’m tired of making art for people that aren’t gonna appreciate it
>until one of my oldest supporters DMed me asking me if everything was okay
>told them to go “fuck off and fuck off of my dick”
>never talked to me since
>realize what you just did.

I don’t feel bad about anything except when told my guy to fuck off. Fuck. I need an OxyContin so I don’t have to feel these feelings, bros.

Whenever I have a problem. I ask myself the question. After that I know what to do.
How do I fix this ?

>Post art
>anon tells me "xyz looks like shit"
>Ask for elaboration
>Either no response or explanation that sounds like the anon has no idea how to do it either
God I am sick of this. I don't care if my art is bad but I just want to know how I could make it better. I feel like I am just being crabbed on all the time, but even thinking that makes me feel like I have some sort of inflated ego, but it feels like 95% of this board doesn't know the slightest shit about drawing sometimes.

>>4216620
you're pathetic and your work is most likely shit

>>4218384
You should contact your supporter and apologize. Even if he doesn't contact you back you should let this person know it wasn't personal.
Don't beat yourself up over the accounts. You would have probably nuked everything another day eventually because you were fundamentally unhappy with the situation all along.
Sadly it's just the way things are and I'm sure a lot of artists who give a shit also feel frustrated. The social media narrative that you should just pander all the time is retarded and it's putting those who have nothing to say at the top. I think artists should create closed networks in which to promote themselves instead of just submitting to this shit and living in obscurity.
I say take a break. You just purged a lot of poison from your system and a few days without internet can only do you good.
Also write down a diary, just write down your thoughts when you're having a crisis.
What do you draw usually?

>>4218627
this board is the worst place for crit, just grab the resources and dont post anything here, you wont learn anything and will only feel like shit about yourself. its literally the same 10 dudes sitting here every day and calling everyone retards and faggots and spamming with troll meta threads. save yourself while you can anon, find a positive learning community

>>4218768
>its literally the same 10 dudes sitting here every day and calling everyone retards and faggots
>find a positive learning community
>implying every other learning community isn't exactly the same as /ic/ except with less insults and more patronizing

>>4216647
Read Estranged Labour, comrade.

>>4218034
Got any rips?

>>4218283
>My life's purpose is cooming
>I somehow feel empty but I don't know why

on a daily basis i constantly fight myself and negative emotions that i have towards my art and myself. its extremely hard and i'm starting to give up.

I'm almost 4 years into drawing and I still have no idea how to study. I took the >just draw meme to far and somehow managed to improve and gain fanbase with 0 knowledge

how do i stop being so hard on myself, i feel like a extreme failure everytime i make something, i feel like nothing is ever good, like i have nothing, not even an ounce of any potential. I feel like im never improving and will never improve. I keep beating myself up so badly it gets to the point where i am in tears. I know im still a /beg/ and even though the stuff i wanna make i think is dumb and coomerish. I will keep trying, because if i don't i will never get better. I just want to be good, i just want to stop being a failure.

I'm 21 right now and for the past 10 years I've done art (4 taking it just a bit more seriously) I fell for the ref meme from being self conscious over my then and still sort of now pathetic lack of skill w/o it. I just wanted to match styles I admired but went too deep in replicating the already existing art I liked. I am also slow as dirt for it. I expanded myself some but my habits and comfort zone still seep into what I do now holding me back. I want to change this about myself going back to my roots experimenting new things at a faster pacing after identifying my weaknesses but it feels like I have taken 10 steps back in how things look and it depresses me. I'm just not sure what approach to take everything. Too many questions with no answers unless I find out for myself which may or may not be a waste. The age meme also runs through my mind like I wasted my chances during the years it was most important for me. I just want art to be fun again making something i'm proud of and not stress from what feels like a luck game in how my results turn out. I don't know what to do.

no one likes me or anything i do. everything i’ve done has been a flop; i either get no or negative reception. i can’t do anything right. i don't even have to make it, being satisfied would just be enough, and i can’t even achieve that. nothing is ever good enough.

>>4214837
i literally dont know how to start practicing, i know it sounds dumb and autistic but literally how do i start getting back into it, i drew barely competently a few years ago and havent done it since and now i dont know what books to look into or if its worth doing those tedious practice exercises that are absolute basics and i feel like im wasting time and energy

why can't animation ever aspire to being more than just kid shit? why are people losing their minds over fucking Santa Movie #3524 like it's going to save animation in the west by trying as hard as possible to look like Pixar but hand drawn?
imagine mastering a medium where you can literally create anything you can conceptualize, anything at all, only to be part of a team made to churn out feel-good nostalgic bullshit meant to placate hyperactive toddlers for an hour and a half.

To put it simply, I feel like my art is shit, I look at everyone and I feel like shit for not doing what they do, most of the time I feel lost as fuck and I just want someone to just hand me the fucking answer to drawing shit correctly.

>>4219587
did you read the sticky

I wish I had never picked up art in the first place, why couldn't I have been passionate about something monetizable like coding or something

>>4219586
Because people stay children till their mid 20s and after that age they're supposed to become slave labor robots whose only adult need is porn.

>>4219586
Same reason why there's an endless number of incredible artists churning pages and pages of Batman punching Joker again and again since the 40s

It's where the moneys' at

>>4219586
Are you stuck under a rock? Watch shit like bojack, which desu really has been playing with visuals and the medium itself for the last few seasons. Bitching that Santa movie 4658777646 exists and moronic drones go to watch it is like bitching that more people eat at mcdonalds than at 3 Michelin star restaurants.

I really hate my art lately. I know I suck, I know I must practice and study, but I wish I had some direction what the fuck I suppose to do.

>>4218274
I'm not a Marxist because their utopian vision is clearly unrealistic and modern Marxists are rabidly anti-white. Nonetheless they do make some very good points, particularly relating to this area.

>>4219760
>capeshit
>endless number of incredible artists
more like 2 or 3

>>4219760
Nino is amazing. Him and Sergio Toppi, when they're allowed to do their thing completely unrestriscted, more or less turn comics and illustration into fine art which I feel very few can do that

>>4219886
>Sergio Toppi
he's dead anon

>>4217840
THIS
FUCKING THIS
FUCKING HELL I HATE FAGGOTS WHO BITCH AND MOAN FOR ATTENTION
THEY'RE ALWAYS MENTALLY ILL TOO
I HAVE ABOUT THREE OF THESE PEOPLE IN A DISCORD I'M IN AND ALL THEY DO IS WRITE LITERAL BIBLES ON WHY THEY FEEL ALONE AND SAD WHENEVER ANYONE POSTS OVER THEM WITHOUT RESPONDING TO THEIR SHIT
AND I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE PRONE TO FUCKING SHITFLING OVER THE SLIGHTEST AGGRESSION
THEY ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW NOBODY LIKES THEIR ART AND HOW THEY JUST WANNA BE POPULAR
NO YOU DON'T
YOU WANT SOMEONE TO KISS YOUR ASS 24/7
WHY ARE ARTISTS MENTALLY ILL

>>4219901
Because bitching for attention and validation actually gives you attention and validation. It's rewarded over being a quiet person who doesn't want to make noise and act like a child. So don't blame the people who do this, blame others who validate them.

God I cant stand the dread right now. I see things. I cant do it. God I cant.

>My roomate friend and his sister told me that they cant pay rent so We are all out, have to find a place.
>weeks earlier I had quit my hard labor job in favor of a part time job so I could Use the rest of the time to get back into design and illustration, budget limited.
>Stressing over this, figuring I might have to sleep in my car for some time
>BAM! Car accidemt, car was a total loss
>FUCK, was still in my uncles insurance, he hates me now and shunned by his family
>Him and his family were the only people I had in this country (USA)
>no time to paint, draw or design, no desk, no house
>finally find a place kinda close to my job
>Living on a rented car for 2 days while I move, if I buy a bike I can be there in 40 minutes, bike home, repeat.
>I begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel
>BAAM! The toyota dealership did me dirty and never paid the lien holder a refund of over a 5000 dollars
>Have no car, no family no nothing AND I owe 5k for something I did not get
> Buy a walmart bike, barely enough for lights and bike lock
> Next wweek buy tools to fix the shitty assembling they did, to finally have functional brakes on the thing
>Next few days realise I need a rack to buy groceries on my bike
>go to walmart, "YOU CANT HAVE BACKPACKS IN THIS STORE SIR"
"Do you have anywhere I can leave it? a locker, a customer desk?"
"WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE< YOU CAN LEAVE IT BY THE RESTROOMS"
>Fuck, I cant'just bike my way to a different store so I go in, get bike rack, food, go get my shit.
>Backpack was stolen FML
And it's been kind of like that still, just 2 days ago some fucktards left broken boards and debris in the sidewalk and I fell really hard for swerving
>Bruised my ribs, cant even laugh or sneeze without pain, every time I crouch it hurts
>Crouching and picking up things all day at work.
ALL I WANT IS THE NIGHTMARE TO END. fuck toyota, fuck labor jobs and fuck me for having a dream and coming to the US!

>>4220178

>>4220178
>fuck me for having a dream and coming to the US!
That's right. Fuck you.

>>4220178
All of this sounds like its your fault.

>>4220194
Umm, yeah? ok

>>4220196
Because it is, it is a vent man. Other than the dealership crooks that gave me their word, signed the cancelation form and sent me on my way back in march it is all my fault.

>>4220178
It seems hard man. I hope your situation will get better

>Jobs not calling back
>phone bill is $45
>Only have 30 left in my savings
Oh oh...

>>4215345
>that
>worse than /ic/

>>4220220
Thank you, I am going to create art starting tonight after work, even if I don't sleep.

>>4220220
my poor anon, i feel you there & i hope it gets better for you, be strong, youre a tough guy

>>4219586
Klaus is PG but the art, specially the animation is wall breaking. give it a watch

>>4214837
>Go to art school
>Get the best grades in class
>graduate with honors
>start working on the industry even before i graduate
>daily grind doing commercial work and commissions
>several years later it hits me
>lost all passion, drawing is just a chore now
>my art stagnated after graduation
>still work and make good money but my soul is not there anymore

I join art servers to learn and try to improve. I help critique people. But when i post art I never get feedback or crits.
its generally the same here on ic.

>>4220891
That's my problem with it. Yeah, it looks great, but it's subject matter that's been so endlessly rehashed that the visuals are all it's got going for it to anyone that's lived through the last decade of media in general. Thousands of hours of manpower from what are likely some of the most talented 2D animators around and it's in service to telling a christmas movie about santa. It's the only genre with this problem. Films and games keep getting high budget, high concept projects but for animation to get any sort of production money behind it it has to be funny family movie for kids with animated comic relief animal mascot and the only break we've gotten from it since the start of the medium have been a few indie projects, love, death & robots and some final fantasy films.

>>4220933
love, death and robots was just nudity and violence with no real story. Animation is slowly breaking the shackles of "for kids" though, specially in shows.
The real problem is that adults mostly don`t care about adult animation, rick and morty got big because it appeal to edgy teens and sells a lot of merch. Merch really is the name of the game in animation and adult show in the west normally dont take that into account, no figurines, shirts, whatever.

>>4220948
Yeah, I wasn't saying it was great, it's just one of the only few breaks we've gotten from wall-to-wall low risk kid shit in the entire 2D and CG animation genre. And even though they were leaning hard on just making a bunch of animated, gory sci-fi/action films they could only manage an anthology of 10-15 minute shorts.

>>4220896
>>still work and make good money but my soul is not there anymore
>> I lost passion for graphic design but still have passion for illustarion, I'm not finding clients tho, how do you do it?

>>4220915
Post something, will give my point of view

>>4220948
It's just that they're not catering to millennials anymore. The zoomers have inherited all the modernized nostalgia, while a 30yo probably lives in the past unless he completely adapted to modern internet. For a while it worked on both demographics but now it's clear that 30+ year olds don't matter anymore.
Millennials have never been good consumers, we're too fucked up.

>>4220965
for illustrations? do porn, specially if you dont mind sick shit like scat and gore, those fuckers pay good. In my case i have a lot of connections with studios and get consistent job offers, show your portfolio around i guess, that`s how i started, if you draw good and can deliver in time your connections start to grow pretty fast

>>4220964
you are being dishonest, there has been a steady stream of animated contend for adults since bakshi, it`s mostly underground but some get recognition, south park, bojack horseman, rick and morty, archer, daria, the boondocks, beavis and butthead, black dynamite, venture bros, robot chicken, sausage party, etc.
Yeah they are mostly shows, not movies and they are mostly low budget but there is a lot of content for adults

>>4221056
Yeah I'm aware of that, quick quiz though: how many of those are comedy shows? Bojack's the riskiest one and it's still a comedy show. I wasn't going to get into "adult animation" as a genre since right now it exclusively describes sitcoms with varying degrees of crudeness and is a whole other problem. If you look at animation in the west you're getting either kid comedy or adult comedy with a big, empty gap in between that every other kind of media miraculously manages to fill somehow. We get one other non-comedy show animated in the west and oh shit, turns out it's Castlevania, it's an anime. Only one I can think of that's newer than Aeon Flux and they had to ape on already popular japanese media to get it made.

Guess who is signing back up for Uber to help pay for rent and food this month.

>>4221112

>>4221123
Thanks man

>Visit ic
>"How git gud?"
>Draw every day for at least 2 hours a day
>Do this for two years, sometimes 4hrs/day
>Get pissed at the end of the semester when trying to scan all my drawings in, because the improvement is not significant compared to last year
>buy a tablet to try to learn digital art
>end up just playing Hearthstone
>still pissed at drawings so play more and more video games
>Fire up League of Legends
>Get a massive rush
>Is this what a heroin addict feels?
>Dunk on kids for a year straight
>drawing maybe 4/hrs a week
>Graduation in 1 month
>Come back to ic
>Find art feels thread
>Type this

>>4221153
I did something like this except I'm probably about a year and a half of regular practice away from being employable in a CG department somewhere and spent the last year being hopelessly addicted to the rush of dunking on half of an entire server in Apex Legends. Not even sure if I like the game, I just like knowing that I ruined the match for at least thirty other people.

>>4221158
I know the feel. I was top 1500 in Hearthstone before the Chinese shit storm. I deleted my account after that.

>Be lurker
>Started drawing to cope for the illness and death of my grandmother
>Country about to enter another economic crisis
>Mother recently got fired
>Depression for a while, but antidepressants in small amounts working
>Had to build courage to post in this board
>Started to meet new people and reconnecting with old friends
>Had been doing some acting (it helps a lot)

I may start posting some drawings here to keep growing + to help others grow if i can.

PD: I still not consider myself an artist until I can draw a complete realistic horse from memory

>>4220967
i'll post 2 recent sketch pages.
1

>>4221249

>>4215251
Go to /adv/, or /r9k/ you loser. Here, we already either have gfs, or have accepted the fact that relationships are a waste of time and are honing our attention to improving our art.

>>4214837
>in art school, any figure drawing class
>80% of the time models are attractive females
>get fixated on the thighs and hips

>>4215829
I decided to ultimately drop out of my meme CS degree last week because it was just painfully boring and it wasn't what I wanted to do.

You might want to consider doing the same, if you truly cannot handle it.

>>4216659
>>4216679

I think what would REALLY fix this board is if people just simply post their work when they're about to harshly shit on someone's work.

>>4221261
>learning figure drawing in st. louis
>dusty boomers and drug addicts are the only ones modeling

>>4220194
/pol/ is that way you faggot.

>>4221251
I was expecting way worse, I like the shading on the wolf/dog, and the simpler coloring of the first sketches, and that's the thing, they are just sketches and they are good at that. I know maybe you wanted more critical or analytical answers and here it goes: follow though with at least some of your ideas, make an actual finished piece, even if halfway you stop believing the idea is worth it (by halfway I mean way further into a piece than your sketching). You will learn more than doing twice as many sketches. I did that through inktober and at the end of the day I only ended up not liking 2 pieces, but almost all of them felt "ruined" at a certain point before I finished, this was on pencils, then ink so no "step back" or "undo" button, I can safely say I learnt more in that month of drawing almost every day and following through with my ideas.

and then I stopped when I crashed my car lol, but TODAY after venting here I picked up my pencil and did one drawing, then another one that I actually inked and I am about to clean up in ps (something I did not allow myself in inktober)

>>4221296
By the way, I like your style

>>4221301
>>4221296
thank you anon. looking back at more of my pages right now. a lot of stuff(if not most of it) doesn't get finish or pushed. and it's not on purpose either might be a mental thing i need to push past to improve.

thank you again

>>4221153
You still did a lot more work than me, what does your work look like atm? Also what kind of graduation?

>>4216728
I'd definitely be up for something like this. Just wanna hang out with chill people and draw together without it becoming competitive.

>>4221311
Another reason why you rarely get critique might be because it's fairly stylized, people tend to not ciriticize stylized stuff as much as if you were to do a realistic portrayal of something.
I, like the other anon, also like your style.

>After careful consideration we’ve decided to move forward with a different applicant
When does it end, when does it ever end. This keeps happening. I can’t take this anymore. I give up. Took time off after University to work on my portfolio and apply to jobs. Time to go back to retail again and just draw as a hobby, I was foolish to think I was ever going to be good enough to make it. I was foolish to think my dreams were something I could achieve

I was trying so hard

>>4221251
>>4221249
I liked this when I saw it, but it's hard to give articulate criticism on simple sketches like that.
Critique is mostly useless. If you challenge yourself you will know what you are having difficulties with without anybody telling you.
Try to make more finished artwork instead, or at least more challenging stuff. Especially poses. It seems like your biggest fault is staying in the comfort zone.
I have no idea what makes people ignore or comment on specific artwork. but getting no comments or feedback, as frustrating as it is, doesn't mean anything, and the worst artists are the ones who comment the most.

>Sketching is fun! Sketching is Easy! I love being able to put down my ideas on paper and have it somewhat resemble what was in my head!
Ok, if you want to post that anywhere/show anyone, you really ought to clean it up first
>Drawing fucking sucks ass, why does anyone do this shit?

>>4214837
I HAVEN'T DRAWN FOR LIKE A FUCKING YEAR

FUUUUUUUUUCK

>tfw creatively bankrupt

>>4221754
but im sure you spend all your days here giving out crit to everyone anyway.

>>4221798
no dude i really dont. i barely come here now.

>>4214837
tfw you'll never start the comic of your dreams and finally become respected by a family that looks down on you.

>>4221801
how many comics have you made so far? start with something really simple, then expand
it's practice just like drawing

>>4221260
Shut up normie

>>4214837
Why the fuck is setting keybinds so hard holy shit just give me a visual of a keyboard and let me decide which shortcuts and brushes go where. Why the fuck am I looking through the alphabet to put shortcuts? Why the fuck can't I bind brushes to ctrl or alt + any fucking key? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4216283
Literally all you need to do is start out drawing fanart of characters with fat asses in a cartoony style that is of passable quality. Keep this consistent and twitter's brain dead NSFW community will follow you.

>>4222093
I tried this once and it did poorer than my sfw stuff haha

>>4221249
>>4221251
bfn?

>>4222112
you need to use all the package: the fat ass (and tits depending on taste), one of the 3-4 poses you must always use, the shitty sense of humor and the glossy highlights over tits, ass, tummy and thighs
if you can't do it just drink something iced while you dra, brain freeze shuts down just enough grey matter for you to grasp what makes your audience tick

>>4222112
That's why it's gotta be consistent. Keep it up and you'll not only improve but bring in more virgin ass kissers. I've seen people that can't even draw decent full-body shots and they have like over 70k followers because of this shit, while their SFW pieces that aren't remotely sexual don't even reach 1k likes. Keep going, anon. You'll be rich.

I've basically stopped browsing other boards, the cancer just grew too much.

It's all "based" this and "*oomer" that, wojack/frog/their derivatives spam, and overall offtopic discussion.
>inb4 this place was always garbage
it wasn't and you fucking know.

Only relief is that they barely touched the slower, smaller interest/hobby boards like /ic/, /3/, and others.
Those faggots are much too uninteresting and braindead
Another is that a few larger boards (/a/ and /m/) continue to hold onto some of their gatekeeping, keeping discussion and TLs alive

At least I've got more time to draw now

>>4222202
same here, I only browse /ic/ just because there's no alternative and I can vent some steam while I'm taking a break

>draw for an hour
>feels like 3 hours
>take a 30 minute break
>feels like 5 minutes

I want to learn how to do NSFW stuff to make some doujins but I feel like I might disappoint or weird out the few art friends I have which I value a lot.

drawing and the anxiety surrounding it overwhelms me and my autism interprets that overwhelming into a meltdown and i cant stop getting them when i start pieces, i think i genuinely really hate art but don't know what else to do because i put all my time into this. this is how i make money and if i stopped, i'd have to get a real job and i wouldn't be happy doing that either. i think the only way i can really be happy is just to kill myself...

>>4222202
The amount of resource threads that are constantly up to date or kept up on /ic in comparison to the stuff on /3 is laughable. Practically worlds apart. What do you browse on there?

>>4222151
I haven't used that name in years lol

I gave up on all of my internet friends that i got from playing vidya to get better at art. The problem is those were the only friends I had. I don't want to play games again and those people weren't even that good.

The loneliness is killing me. The worst thing about this is that I can change this only by becoming a good artist with a well paid job and so on but it takes so much time. Now I am a nobody and no one cares even if I wanted to meet someone.

>>4222785
>internet friends that i got from playing vidya
What if I told you that you've never had any friends to begin with. It's not so bad.

>>4222790
By saying
>and those people weren't even that good.
I recognize what you are saying. I don't really know how to substitute them. I tried going out and as I mentioned, you have to be somebody.

this board is shit

i FUCKING hate shading and suck at it

>>4222792
>I don't really know how to substitute them.
You don't, the sooner you acknowledge and accept you are not going to find friends to offset you feeling lonely the faster you're going to stop feeling bad because being a "somebody" usually means people are going to use you for their personal gain and when you stop being that "somebody" they will leave.

People are naturally assholes and turn on a dime on you if it affects them negatively. Nobody likes to have an emotional vampire and constantly hear other people's problems you're just looking for someone to vent and complain to. On your video games you were that "somebody" probably because of some high level character or really good at a game and because you try to play real life like your video games you imply that before you gain friends you have to be at the upper echelons. That's not how it works, if you want to have a friend be one but expect it to be a one way street where the other party will constantly use you for their benefit.

>>4222794
That’s not something new, faggot.

How the fuck do you actually paint!?
I've been trying for years and I can't get it.

I only draw what i like to draw and all im good at is drawing (cue someone calling me a bad faggot) but ill never make it because it doesnt have mass appeal. I give it about 4 more years until i blow my brains out before i turn 30

>>4214837
Motherboard died. Finished drawing... turned it off. Dead when i turned it back on today. Old pc rebuilt. Ethernet port is dead lol. Pci slot/pci-e irq. Conflict so ethernet card is no go. Have ubuntu studio.. installed... has krita so i can still draw... but no internet. Left with phone posting. No money.... fml

Does anyone else get depressed when they see anons treating other anons like shit? This sounds dumb but it just makes me so sad when I see people who are really trying or are even get get crabbed on, and then take the crabs to heart. It feels like this place is just a circle jerk of negativity sometimes, no one actually knows what they're talking about, they just want to tear other people down. It just crushes me when I can see it actually getting to people.

>>4222840
Same really.
The people doing that to people genuinly trying to improve and such are just trying to make themself feel not as bad.

>>4222805
I feel sorry for your perspective. But don't prosthelytize your garbage viewpoint. It sabotages anything actually genuine, and more often than not is just an excuse made by shitty people for what they themselves do.

Well I'm not like you, (not that other anon by the way) and I never will be. It was old fucking wisdom once upon a time that chasing vanity leads to nothing good. Hurr everyone's a selfish asshole, being lonely is the only way durr.

How about you fucking man up and shove your ill fated cynicism in favor of just "being." Its not stoic, it's not smart. Yeah, it's going to hurt to give a shit about people sometimes pussy, but it's the difference between being real and being plastic that people rightly toss out with the shit stained sheets.

>>4222840
>>4222844
Me too. Hang on to it though because it's needed so badly, and because it makes you a whole person. And don't let anyone ever try to fool you into thinking it's weak. Giving a shit is harder to do than not, and on top of it, some people will literally try to destroy you for it, because it represents a threat to them.
Keep the fire lit anons, civilization couldn't exist without it.

>>4222840
>>4222844
>>4222876
It can be sad. I just posted something and got several insults. The trick is learning to ignore those and focus on anything that seems good advice. Growing a thick skin and learning to filter shitposts, insults and plain bullshit is something you pick naturally when browsing most boards and mandatory for a healthy imageboard experience. I would consider it a necessary evil that I would take anyday instead of the alternative, being stuck in a dishonest oversensitive hugbox like every other place on the internet

>>4222888
Cant cover everything but I see two problems. First, a good portion is dishonest, yes, but 1- you should never treat it as such because you can never know what someone's actual intent is, and 2- acting like things aren't genuine creates a vicious destructive cycle. And it's a horrible thing to destroy something genuine. Whereas if you treat something as genuine no matter what, nothing is lost, and it can be constructive. Cynicism's trade off if you will, is sentiment. Cynicism has it's rightful place, but it is no replacement for the ideal.
Second, I flat out disagree with being under- sensitive. In no way is it preferable to being oversensitive. At best it's a trade off. Sensitivity is the progenitor of art, creativity and passion. It's an enormous personal risk to favor an extreme of desensitization. Artists suffer for it, you can see it here all the time. And people make the mistake of seeing people who plow through it the wrong way, with indifference or even irreverence, as strong in some way. But it's not strong to pass on avoidance. Or even to pretend to like the taste of shit because it makes you seem strong. Nah, to borrow the cliche, being sensitive IS strong. And smart.

I'm not really sure if I like art. I'm kinda only doing this because I've always drawn, not because I love/appreciate art. I THINK i want to be a commission artist, but don't know if I'm capable of marketing myself. At least that's what I think I'm in college for...
Working a 9-5 for 40 years just sounds so mindless, and I'd rather do something that I can be creative with. My Mom is trying to convince me to work at her job where she's been for 40 years. I don't even want to consider it, because I know I'll get too comfortable and just settle. But I also don't qualify for any non biggershit jobs, and a art degree surely isn't going to fix that.
I have no clear goal in mind with art or in life atm. Maybe I'm just depressed.

>>4221112
what's wrong with uber

>>4222840
If you can't take bants you'll never make it, weak should fear the strong

>>4222961
> I like the ghetto hurrrr

>>4222916
>You should never treat it as such because you can never know what someone's actual intent >Acting like things aren't genuine creates a vicious destructive cycle
>Whereas if you treat something as genuine no matter what, nothing is lost, and it can be constructive
So you're telling me to treat every single insult as something genuine? that sounds like a recipe for disaster. My approach is much more simple. If I read a critique and I can see reason on it I'll be useful and I'll take it. If I read something like an insult (example: kill yourself) I realize my art will gain nothing from it and discard it. If the post is mixed I'll take the good parts and discard the chaff.

>>4222840
I think its for the best really if people can deal with bitterness and hatred earily on. It will make them less prone to whatever the rest of the internet has to throw at them if they choose to continue and theres already an expectation people are going to be assholes on this site. Whatever doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

>>4222976
if you're the guy who posted the head in the skull thread yeah there's nothing you can do, nobody's even interested in having a discussion or even giving a critique
>>4222986
if someone talks smack and you don't have a thick skin it's your problem, but when the whole board is infested with a mob of assholes itching to pull the trigger as soon as someone posts something it stops being about you.
Sadly with no mods and all the porn/shitposters this board is going to die

>>4222976
You're not wrong, it's just some of the consideration I'm talking about is already baked into what you just said.
The point being, that it is no more honest or helpful to dig through malice versus sifting through platitudes. Not only that but I can't help think it's a pointless endeavor to begin with. But that's another tangent.
>>4222986
Who are you to decide how much I should be capable of dealing with? How much innocence should be shed? more? Are you a qualified judge? Is the mob(ever)? The culture, the very ideal this place has is broken from the foundation. There's a reason it is what it is, and unless anons recognize and work at it, it's going to stay a zombie shitposting factory.
>>4222993
Wrong, if someone shit talks you, and you don't have thick enough skin for it, it's MY problem. That's the only way.

>>4222840
No one knows shit on /ic/. If they see someone with competence and speed they freak out and try to nitpick everything that's wrong. It actually works and keeps people in the bucket. I kind of like that though because I'm a bad person too.

>>4222202
>It's all "based" this and "*oomer" that
>Only relief is that they barely touched the slower, smaller interest/hobby boards like /ic/
ahahahahaha are you actually serious? are we actually browsing the same board?

there were so many threads literally solely dedicated to coomer memes this past months, thankfully it kinda died down recently though.

>>4223039
I actually also noticed that competence PLUS speed is the one of biggest magnet for crabs.

If you're competent, but post every few months, you'll probably get little to no crabbing. But throw in speed into the mix, and hell will be let loose.

>>4214837
Alright i need fucking help or advice or tips or tricks or whatever the fuck ever can help me get out of this state.
So basically i once thought that i only liked drawing at night because it's very peaceful and it's dark and just all around pleasant and quiet and thats also when i would ONLY draw anything, was at night, because it was so peaceful but i found out thats actually wrong.
The thing is i only like to draw when am really really really really fucking tired and i mean walking corpse level of tired it's such a frustrating feeling, it's a mix of wanting to die in my bed, but have such a disgustingly strong urge to draw something, it's two states that don't mix.
I think i might have already thought of a solution to this problem because i have a extremely shitty sleep schedule, so am talking like i goto bed at 11 in the morning and i wake up at 6 at night so that is probably the culprit.
I don't really wanna have to power through my sleep deprivation for something i really like to do.
It's probably just me being shit to myself but i don't really know if that's truly it because i do fix my schedule sometimes and i am not sure if that really fixes it.

Basically all my motivation from drawing only comes to me when i wanna goto sleep and it sucks because i wanna have my motivation all the time instead of only when i wanna do something that isn't that thing, but that thing at the same time.

>>4223387
>because i have a extremely shitty sleep schedule
There's your problem. Fix it. You can do that in a week.

>don't be creepy and stare at people in public it's uncomfortable!
>observe and sketch people in public as a way to understand the figure, analyse their poses, gesture and what emotion it conveys

Which the fuck is it lads?

>>4223387
ur fuk. sorry

>>4222931
having a normal and easy job is kinda my dream, like working at a library that little people go to, then i can read and draw all i want and get a decent pay, plus i can work on my own shit at weekends too.
If you fell depressed you should get help, making extra activities, classes and hanging up with friends helps, dont stay still for too long.

>>4214859
is that Tom Cruise?

>>4222931
I'm pulling for ya anon. I hope you have a nice life.

>>4216782
Based romanian lad.
Fuck ruskies and their puppet regimes.

>>4214866
>realism
you mean naturalism
realism is an ideologically charged art movement hellbent on portraying the routine life of average working class people, preferably in grisaille

>>4224404
Thanks.