/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Option 1: tell him that a good artist will learn all the fundamentals and then choose how to apply them to his work.

Option 2: whatever, he can never study or learn for all I care. Give him some cheap, minimalistic tutorials and let him do polished turds.

>>4214854
"muh style" is nothing but an excuse for people who don't want to venture out of their comfort zone.

>>4214854
If you don't know this answer yourself then why are you even drawing? Beg artists care about "style" because they are inspired by how cool their favorite artists draw. Do you remember what actual inspiration feels like? What makes them beg is the misunderstanding of how to get there. The toil, sweat, and tears it takes to even have a style.

It's a hard pill to swallow Anon, be gentle.

>>4214860
i really hope he doesn't go down this path

>>4214856
I went with the first option, and he agreed.

>>4214867
>If you don't know this answer yourself then why are you even drawing?
to meet deadlines :(

I'm trying to be as gentle as possible. To be honest the "friend" is my gf. But whenever the topic of art comes up she obsesses over finding her "style."

But thanks anon you're right. I forgot about the inspiration part of the journey, and she's been exhilarated with drawing, so I don't want to quench that flame. I want her to keep having fun.

>>4214876
>i really hope he doesn't go down this path
If she's unhappy with the stuff she creates, chances are she'll consider studying that shit by herself.
It doesn't need to be a hard grind, btw. Like, a video or a tuto now and then for an hour or two could be enough.

>>4214854
It's kind of useless to try and preach fundamentals to people who aren't at the stage where they start asking the questions that the fundamentals are the answer to.

Such as "What if I want to draw a realistic person instead of the cookie cutter sameface I've been doing for the past 5 years?" "How do I draw a head from any angle?" "How to apply perspective to X?"

The value of fundamentals is obvious to any artist who actually struggles with these things and wants to improve.

>>4214854
https://youtu.be/0hboaTZUwmg?t=37

>>4214854
Because people have an end result in mind that they wish to achieve and may not see the importance of things that don't obviously directly lead to that end result. For example, I have three or four artists whose style I'd one day like to be able to emulate, though I currently lack the skill, and it can de disheartening to spend hours on fundamentals that, while important for increasing your ability overall, don't necessarily seem to relate to the end goal I wish to achieve.

>>4214854
>photoshop tips
If you dont know how to draw with pencils you certainly shouldnt draw in digital

>>4214854
Source on this art? Who's the artist?

>>4214854
>>4214876
Clearly she’s thinking about,
>MUH UNIQUENESS
>MUH SOUL
>REEEYAAA CAN’T DRAW GOOD ANIME BANGS
That being said, show her this picture.

Who the fuck worries about having a “style” before they’ve mastered cubes? That’s like planning for a good medal when you get winded running dow the block.

>>4214854
Because begs have little clue of all the practice and knowledge that is behind their favorite art. At this point they can't see how drawing still lifes will make them better at drawing something like fantasy or animu.

Instead of telling them NOT to care at all about style, tell them find atleast SEVERAL favorite artists who create art in different styles he likes and copy them as closely as they can. Then their own art will be a combination of what they learned from those different artists and congrats, you have your own "style".

>>4214854
I think this style is extremely ugly, looks like plants vs zombies.
But i guess a coom is a coom to most normies.

>>4214854
Why does she have shadface?

>>4214854
Style is extremely important. It is the selling point of your art.

Yeah don't neglect fundies, but don't neglect experimenting with stylisation either.

>>4215016
>/beg/ tries to copy favorite artists
>miserably fails and wastes hours and hours because he built his metaphorical arthouse on a metaphorical unstable dirt hill on an active faultline.

>>4214854
because a style defines who you are

>>4214854
Tell him not to worry about consciously creating a style because he'll develop one through his artistic weaknesses whether he wants to or not

Style comes with time and may even change with experience.

See: Van Gogh. Guy went through serious changes as he developed.

>>4214854
Don't care about the OP topic but thanks for the new artist recommendation. Their SFW art looks nice but "coomer" shit is what ultimately pays the bills.

>>4214985
This very much. What is it with women in general and the narcissisticism that they feel, as if they have a mental calling to relate everything they do to their persona? Fucking women. Not everything in the world is about making you more "unique" and appealing to other people. Why can't women understand the pleasure of finding private happiness?

>>4215846
>tfw style determined by artistic weaknesses instead of conscious choice
it's real and i hate it

>>4215846
>mfw your artistic style is actually just your visual artistic disability

>>4216232
what's always been weird is that men who do that are almost always (rightfully) called out for being vapid or douchebro-y. why do women get a pass. like how do you expect to not feel like an object when you treat everything you have, including your virtues and skills, like they're fashion accessories. Like damn girl get some self respect.

Some things are meant to be appreciated in quiet, not everything has to be validated by your peers.

>>4216232
>Why can't women understand the pleasure of finding private happiness?
for the past millennia that incapacity was an evolutionary feature.

>>4214880
you predicted right, this is exactly what she's been doing

>>4214904
>The value of fundamentals is obvious to any artist who actually struggles with these things and wants to improve.
so true. she finds fundies so boring right now, but at this point I'll let her come to the conclusion she needs them herself. As long as she doesnt end up like pic related.

>>4214915
I sent her this, thanks for the timestamp.
>>4214985
also sent. she thought it looked cool, but only recognized lavender towne and pokemon.

>>4214935
I have better luck getting her to learn fundies than I do getting her to use pencils. She only wants to do digital.

>>4214927
Now I have a better understanding of this

>>4214969
Cyancapsule
>>4215269
ironically I don't like it for the coom, I liked this pic because of the gurren lagann glasses demon.
>>4216220
:)

The flip side of this is when capable artists with good fundamentals ruin their shit by adopting a crappy style afterwards. I see it so often. Styles ruin art, they ruin it hard. |I would pull out the Bruce Lee quotes on him and tell him to focus on having no style as style. Just draw the way things come to you naturally. Do not try to copy styles, do not try to develop a style, just draw.

>>4214854
If you want to be an artirst professionally, you need style, that's how you get people to know your art and identify with it. If it's an hoby then, style doesn't matter only the pleasure you take of your creations.

>>4214876
say something like "while you practice fundamentals, your style will form organically. there's no point trying to force it or it will seem fake."

>>4214876
It's a meme people get sucked into when they don't exactly understand what making art is. Style = the library of marks, symbols, and colors you've learned from studying other artists + your natural tendencies. It's not something you "find", but that develops over your lifetime of practice

>>4216504
This is a good cope, OP. Tell your "gf" this

>>4214854
Because successful stylization is the maximum level of expertise and they haven't acclimated themselves to mediocrity like intermediates who obsess about fundamentals to the detriment of everything else.

>>4214935
nvm she wants to learn traditionally too

>>4216518
This is a lie, or at least a half truth.
A style is a canon you create to expedite your drawing. Sometimes it's a passive accumulation of your learning process, but you can design your own style as well. All cartoon artists have.

>>4216449
Women are communal and nurturing, as men it is our lacking of those qualities that bring many to their downfall, and not reaching full potential. Embrace that side of a woman and let her help you with those qualities. In return all she asks is for you to aid her with the qualities of man, rationality and intelligence.

>>4214854
Tell him to do both. If you tell your friend to draw 10000 boxes before he ever draws his first anime girl style steven universe oc you'll get him to quit in a week. Art is a hobby, and is supposed to be fun. You should probably be telling him to follow the process of
1. Draw something you like
2. Realize it's shit
3. Do studies
4. Get a little better
5. Live die repeat

>>4219597
This. You draw the stuff you like from the start and do the studying along the way as you hit roadblocks. Compare yourself to your favorite artists and figure out what they're doing right and what you're doing wrong.