/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4213482
Ego
The desire for respect from other artists
The act of drawing in itself is enjoyable when I'm applying knowledge that I've learned. It gives me a sense of pride.
Visualizing a composition and the desire to execute it fully
The belief that I can do it as long as I have the patience
Belief that comes from knowledge. Resolve that comes from belief. Patience that comes from resolve.

But no, drawing in itself is not fun. It used to be, but now I have responsibilities. Drawing is a goal and what keeps me going is my mindful determination.

>>4213497
Im the opposite of you. I got into drawing just because i like the process of it. I do a thousand times before id do it a thousand times more. I dont seek validation nor is it ego driven.

>>4213497
hot

>>4213511
Sounds like you don't have much ambitions for art

I'm so found of comics and mangas that I want to make my own. It's all I really want to do.
I happen to enjoy the process too!

>>4213482
Envy and self hatred, i just want to be good at something for once in my life. I dont enjoy drawing but i dont find much enjoyable either.

>>4213566
ngmi

>>4213566
Believe in yourself :)
No one ever makes it thinking they can't do anything.

This doesn’t deserve its own thread, but does anyone else here get serious anxiety and nausea when they struggle with their art?

I’ll put a piece up for critique and the feedback, even if it’s entirely valid and justified, makes my gut tighten. I feel helpless. I know I absolutely need critique to progress and the critique I receive is entirely correct and is even given kindly. But it contributes to my feeling like I want to throw my current project at a wall and give up in tears.

How do I stop feeling like that?

>>4213533
More than you.

>>4213583
Graphite and acrylic compounds are known to have chemical substanses which, if exposed long, can cause nausea and vomiting and even early death.

>>4213583
>does anyone else here get serious anxiety and nausea when they struggle with their art?
I can relate to this, but not the rest of your post.
I say pic related in a thread yesterday, cause I think that's the cause of this feeling, but I got no answer.

>>4213583
If you're depending on critique to see your issues, your perceptions of your artwork are higher than it is and then when you realize its not as good as you think you get cognitive dissonance. That is what causes you to feel this way.

What you need to start doing is giving yourself critique to avoid it from others. You'll need a lot of personal strength, organization and patience to learn what it is you're missing, but please persevere. When you get to the level where you can give yourself critique, you'll be much stronger. You'll be strong enough to see whats wrong and take the critique.

Please don't throw your project away. Instead, put it aside for a while. Recognize the discomfort at your own personal skill and get stronger at art. Don't quit and just deal with the truth in a hopeful manner. You wont stop feeling this way, the only thing to do is to stop crying and get stronger.

You should sit down and write out your emotions on paper. Then, determine the actions you'll take to improve at your artwork. You can divide it into Long term goals, Mid term and Short term, and then weekly tasks you'll do to get to it.

>>4213603
How can you have ambition without desire?

when I see an artist with more than 600$/month on patreon

>>4213583
I feel it too. I've gotten my art absolutely ripped into on here before and now I feel really anxious whenever I struggle with a piece or am unsure of myself because I feel the pressure of wondering if everything those people told me was right and I really am shit after all.
Crit can be stressful, a lot of people will tell you "just to get over it" but getting it from /ic/ can be particularly painful with how unpleasant anons could be. I'd recommend trying to work on pieces until you hit a wall, give it some time, and then come back to them to continue working on your own or ask for crit. Taking breaks can really help you cool down and detach yourself from your work.

>>4213618
This is really incredible advice. Thank you.

One thing I have a tendency to do is to sketch out/plan out a piece, then ask a friend to tell me if it looks right to them. One thing that drives me up the wall is I’ll have the piece zoomed in a certain way, as if we’re looking over someone’s shoulder, and he’ll tell me to zoom the piece out to the point where you can see the whole figure.

And it makes me wonder: am I wrong? Was my idea and intention really bad? It drives me nuts because I can’t tell if he’s imposing his compositional preference onto my work, or if the idea of looking over someone’s shoulder is really bad.

>>4213626
I’ve received an amazing amount of great advice here and I wasn’t even really expecting to get it. Thank you so much, anons.

>>4213583
It's when I have to get started drawing that I get anxious because I'm still afraid to "fail", that's where I struggle. I actually feel relief when people point out flaws I didn't notice in my art.

>>4213629
If you're drawing the thing with reference and have a clear idea of how you're composing it, then you're not wrong. In fact, Art can't be "Wrong".
If you're doing no reference, maybe your friend thinks you're more technically skilled at doing a full body. In a way, yes they are imposing their compositional preference-- But you asked for it.

My advice would be simply focus on technical skill (And if you want to do a lot of these complicated poses, I recommend checking out Krenz and Burne Hogarth's stuff, great to learn and copy from). But also, remember to follow your heart :) If you think an idea will be good, pursue it! No matter what your friend says its just their opinion and in the end, they will probably like your piece anyways.

You have to slowly begin trusting yourself with this kind of stuff. No matter what your friend says. And it may take you a few months, may take you 3 years, but you'll learn to trust yourself with decisions.

>>4213646
I was drawing with a reference, yes. The body was technically/proportionately correct. He just thought it would look better zoomed out as a whole compositional arrangement.

This is all great advice, and I’m screencapping it so I don’t forget it.

>>4213497
>coom
>respect

>>4213583
No, I'm not a woman.

>>4213625
Are you Polish?

>>4213720
go back

>look everyone I posted it again

>>4213497
>>4213540
Same

>>4213622
Ignore the anon. The most humble people are the most narcissistic people base on my experience.
They become humble so they could feel good about themselves but deep down they look down on other people.
Master morality all the way!

>>4214879
>They become humble so they could feel good about themselves but deep down they look down on other people.
... So they aren't really humble then?

>>4213482
This guy

>>4214879
>I met ppl who treat others with the respect they deserve, but they dont treat me with the same respect because I am piece of shit, but I wont admit it so I will claim I saw a side of them nobody has seen

>>4214947
It took me a ton of read and I still can't understand what you meant and it seems
like you're projecting characteristics that I just don't have.

To give you a point of view. I don't value equality like you do.
I don't think people are obliged to respect me like you're projecting that I do. I earn to gain respect. Respect isn't for everyone.
While you say being "piece of shit". I just value honesty and treating other people as utility is fine for me.
unlike the other anon who is humble while saying stuff like I have more ambitions than you.
Seems like his humbleness is just a facade to look down on other people.

no shame in pride only in arrogance

Drawing makes me happy. Sometimes, I think it might be the only thing that makes me happy.

>>4214978
I did not read his comment and I do not care about it. I read your comment and was taking it at face value. Being ambitious does not mean somebody is not humble. Being jumble has nothing with what you aim for.

You can be the first or single man on the moon and still be humble about it. You can aim to be the first man on a star and still be humble about it. You can have no ambitions, and still believe the world owns you something.

>Seems like his humbleness is just a facade to look down on other people.
to me it still seams you feel threatened by the humbleness of others, I wont assume anything so I will ask, why is that?

>>4213511
That's the best way to go about it anon. Anyone who doesn't feel that way should probably not pursue a career in art or they're gonna be miserable.

>>4215586
A lot of things make me happy, but drawing brings me lasting happiness.

>>4213482
I just like drawing. Honestly I'm gonna be doing this shit whether I'm getting paid to do it or not, its just how I express myself. But past that I like the attention I get from it, and it feels really good to create something that even one person out there can resonate with, to brighten their day for the moment it takes to consume my art.

>>4213482
In retrospect, the only thing I have ever found truly compelling in my life is the art and stories that left an impression on me. If I can make something that other people feel the same way towards, I'll have made the world a better place in perhaps the only way I'll ever find fulfilling. I don't care if I'm poor or if no one knows my name; that alone will be enough.
Art's not the only ambition I've ever felt, but it's the only one I have left. I can't see myself ever giving up on that.

I go in waves. I get lazy, but when I see other artists I follow posting cool stuff I'm like "shit I'm falling behind"

>>4213511
this so much

>>4213482

>>4213482
I'm a burnout and I don't know what to do.
I already forgot how i used to render.

>>4216165
I wasn't talking about ambition and humbleness difference but the thought that he has more ambition
because he's humble who draws for fun than for someone who draws for ego.

He think his art is more meaningful than the guy who draws for his own ego.
Just because someone is egoistic doesn't mean he has less ambitions than the humble one.
>Ego
>The desire for respect from other artists
>The act of drawing in itself is enjoyable when I'm applying knowledge that I've learned. It gives me a sense of pride.
>Visualizing a composition and the desire to execute it fully
>The belief that I can do it as long as I have the patience
>Belief that comes from knowledge. Resolve that comes from belief. Patience that comes from resolve.
He has ambitions better than:
>I got into drawing just because i like the process of it.
I do a thousand times before id do it a thousand times more. I dont seek validation nor is it ego driven.
This is the most common ambition of a newbie artist.

I don't believe in humbleness.
It's a good tool to hide intent from the "nice" mob, but taken seriously as some kind of moral virtue. I don't believe it.
They think to themselves "I'm a humble man, I'm nicer than people with bad intent. I feel pleasure in my heart. I'm better than him".
I believe humble people are liars. They're not being true to themselves.
The humbleness is a facade so they could feel good and feel virtue at the same time.
This is hard to understand for people who still believe in Christian fundamental values
and people who care more about the intent than the consequence.

>>4216576
being humble means being content with where you are in life

since you cant even entertain the idea that somebody could be humble, makes me think you dont know what you want in life, so you aim for whatever fancies you atm and are never satisfied

therefore, tits or gtfo

>>4213540
everytime i get burnt out i see interesting stuff like this that reminds me that it's not art's fault im struggling, but my own lack of creativity.

The joy and pride of seeing my own improvement.
Also my waifu.