/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mj5JrBxwqA [Embed]
You're sipping all your coffee, pouring up some wine
Saying 'You can be my baby' if I gave you some time
Moving so fast but we could slow it down
I think I wanna hold ya but I'm not sure I'm allowed
'Cause you are gold to me
A piece of art to me

>>4189972
I'm might come off like a crab, but I'm going to be honest here. The artist in OP's pic related is petty decent art by their own merit, but this is the 3rd fucking time in a row the selected OP image is from the same artist. There is a very obvious bias going on in these threads now, and it's dragging the quality down. Stop dick riding and paying favorites.

There's less and less and less focus on posters that display objective admirable skill and unique creative voices. And more and more favoritism for posters who draw cute shit. There's a certain irony that comes from seeing posters show the most favor to artists that make the same type of art and same derivative subject matter, in a fucking ALTERNATIVE/ STYLIZATION thread.

>>4189979

>>4189993

op here
I didnt make the last thread, but I made I think 2 before that
I honestly didn't know that it was the same artist although now I see that they are similar in style
i just thought this was the most appropriate, nobody hated it and it makes a nice thumbnail

>>4189993
3rd times on a row? Last thread was a different artist.
Literally everybody here is pretty derivative and repetitive in their own way and I'm not seeing anyone breaking new artistic grounds here, so I can't see what you're complaining about.

>>4190000
>>4190001
If you're going to make the thread, at least make an effort to showcase OTHER artists that typically don't get into the thumbnail. I'm noticing a trend in these threads for the several past months now. Posters who draw 'cute' art are being shown favor or given more feedback on average more so than any type of work that gets posted in the threads now. /alt/ threads used to have a healthy amount of posters with unique art styles and with more creative subjects. Now it's mostly cute anime girl posts that get a 'BLAHG?' response. What's the fucking point then?

You would be extremely disingenuous if you think posters in these threads don't get positive reinforcement from seeing their work in the OP thumbnail. Spread the love.

>>4190021
>>4176250

>>4190028
woof woof

>>4190031
pee pee ka ka

>>4190015
Sounds like a diversity quota.
A standard idea well executed always trumps a creative idea poorly executed.

And t b h, I'm not even seeing any of the latter either in these threads, just poor ideas poorly executed.
There's only one work posted in the last thread, that is both "creative" (well, only if your define creativity as "not a cute girl") and well executed, but I suppose his work doesn't work well for a thumbnail.

What do you think deserves recognition from the last thread?

>>4189995

/ic/an dig it

>>4189993
At least we aren't getting shitpost ops anymore

>>4190043
>Sounds like a diversity quota. A standard idea well executed always trumps a creative idea poorly executed.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not fucking forcing you to do anything. I'm not the state, anon.
I'm merely suggesting to try widening your scope and being able to see artistic merit in other posters, even if they're not drawing cute or anime girls. There's dozens of posters in these threads yet the posters that get the thumbnail treatment is like 3-4.
>but I suppose his work doesn't work well for a thumbnail.
that doesn't even fucking matter, and you know it. The entire point of selecting a post from previous thread isn't based around whether or not it makes a good thumbnail, it's based around "hey, this is my favorite post, it's so cute". That alone sets a certain precedent, which reinforces certain expectations of the type of art that gets (You)'s or what is more likely to gets asked for a blog. Genuine thoughtful feedback has become a rare occurrence in these threads, thanks in part to this.
>What do you think deserves recognition from the last thread?
>>4183188
>>4184710
>>4186554
>>4189466
>>4189498
>>4186413
>>4184163
>>4185461
>>4185011
Any one of these would've been fine imo and embody the ALTERNATIVE ART that underpins these threads in the first place, but since their subject matter isn't cute or sexy anime girl the likelihood is lower. I'm saying this is absolute, but it is a notable trend in recent /alt/ threads. There are several threads that are FILLED to the gills with cute/sexy anime girl drawings. Now that shit is being propped up here.

>>4190087
>I'm saying this is absolute
Meant to say NOT absolute.

>>4190087
I mean alt has always been predominantly anime girls, pinups, and weeb art, it seems silly to get upset about that now

>>4190015
>>4189993
Nobody likes your el goblina girls, whitebox jay

>>4190096
>Nobody likes your el goblina girls, whitebox jay
the fact that you just assume I'm him tells me all I need to know desu. If you're reading post post that would even include of his art too.

How's it coming along?

>>4190110
No offense but your faces are really unappealing .

>>4190087
Only >>4183188 and >>4184710 deserves recognition for creativity and execution, the rest is just stale schlock.

I mean, literally one work in your list is a generic anime girl that you despise so much. Another is a literal carbon copy of Fleischer brothers from the 30s. And one is just generic Instagram art. There's even one which is just the most boring sword design I've come across

>>4185461 and >>4189498 deserves some points for decent execution despite being a bit rough in the edges, but I really can't say they're creative, nor interesting at all.

All in all, I really don't understand your standard of creativity at all.

Reminder that these threads used to be called the anime drawthreads, if the weebshit is such a big issue again why won't we just split the general (again) between the stylized western genre and the anime that keeps causing so much buttpain.

>>4190110
Rendering on hair is really cool, I’d take off the shines on the face but that’s a personal preference

>>4189972
I don’t like the OP artist’s work at all, it’s super generic

>>4190087
Well are you surprised? Everybody likes cute girls, even people that don't draw cute girls like cute girls. This has been the case since the dawn of time. It's the safest choice there is. I think all you can do is give that genuine feedback to interesting alt work that you want to see, because you only have control over what you do and not others

>>4190110

i toooold you man
you keep combining big anime eyes that are very much non-3d-realistic (here eyeballs would have to be the size of her head almost for this to work)
with realistic nose and mouth

let me rephrase that shroter: combining stylized with realistic elements too close to each other
the nose and mouth are very 3d which makes the eyes look like stickers almost

however
this is only when I think about it hard enough i must be honest
it looks appealing on the first glance

>>4190110
I feel you keep over rendering and over detailing the faces. Attractive female faces have even skintones and a lack of wrinkles and blemishes, which is why concealer is a thing. Simplicity is the key to drawing pretty female faces if that is your goal, even if you want to go for a Western influenced style. Maybe look at Adam Hughes for inspiration for the rendering

>>4190116
Also this guy:
>>4185555 is probably one of the most underrated artists on /alt/ that ACTUALLY deserves more recognition (that one isn't really his best, but the merit of his raw skills is obvious if you've been following him for a while).

>>4190116
It's sad you feel the need to start trashing people's work just for your argument

>>4190110
Looks cute, I don't know what the other guys are talking about, it's not like a hyperrealistic nose and mouth, I don't think there is an issue with the juxtaposition
>>4190134
OP's drawing is way more appealing than whatever that thing is you posted, looks like a washed out tranny

>>4190130

cont. i will show you an example
this drawing here you have very big eyes, obviously this can't work in reality
but this is matched with a little nose that is almost only a dot and little simple mouth

but the body is similar to your style
>>4190134
and this anon posted the other aspect, very western realistic face, all features make sense, this face could exist

you can't mix this

>>4190140
ah ah ah, an angry whitebox samefag

>>4190116
Hey anon, I work for the federal arts department and the administration and I would really like it if you could join our team of experts, everything you said has really impressed us.

>>4190141
>>4190134
>>4190130
You faggots are projecting a personal preference with some kind of universal rule, fuck off
>you can't mix this
Why not? because you don't like it? the two examples of the very cartoony style and the very realistic style are both garbage.
>>4190150
I'm not the op retard

>>4190116
>deserves recognition for creativity and execution, the rest is just stale schlock.
That was the entire point in /Alt/ threads. If you disagree about the rest, that's fine, but they're "stale schlock" as opposed to what? The past 4 fucking OP thumbnails that are given recognition, including this one? Give me a break. >>4190116
>I mean, literally one work in your list is a generic anime girl that you despise so much.
False. I didn't include a single "generic anime girl" drawing. So which one are you lying about?
>Another is a literal carbon copy of Fleischer brothers from the 30s.
It's not a literal carbon copy of anything character design.That poster's style is drawing inspiration from that era animation which is largely forgotten is more alternative and unusual than 90% of the original work that gets posted on this board. Which is the ENTIRE point of /alt/ threads.
>And one is just generic Instagram art.
"generic Instagram art" is such a nonsensical pejorative. You're describing literally nothing.
>There's even one which is just the most boring sword design I've come across.
I disagree. That poster has one of the more unique art styles in these threads. It's obvious the focus wasn't to design the most outlandish swords like a fucking JRPG weeb on coke, he's just rendering grounded weapons in his style. Which leads to some visually appealing results, imo.

>>4190110
Lmao, whitebox just don't post in /ic/ anymore besides shitposting. Its clear as day your at the level where your just going to be crab to no end no matter what.

>>4190134
>>4190110
A quick paintover to show what I mean.
I feel your stylization is a bit odd as you try to mix a more realistic style with anime graphic appeal, but don't quite emphasize either aspect, leaving you in an odd space. I feel that's where the "unappealing" factor many anons talk about comes from, you're kind of falling in an uncanny valley face. Rather than taking realism and stylizing it you're taking very graphic anime faces and rendering them more realistically. I think studying realism some more would be beneficial to you right now.

>>4190117
Are you fucking 13 years old? You're on the internet, yet still want to see art as this dichotomy of western and eastern, which in of itself means an entire wide scope of art styles and creative aesthetic, but to you it's just western art and Japan. Fucking seriously? As if than many (if any) actual Japanese artists post here to begin with for such a split. There's also already a thread for made just for drawing and studying anime. Maybe use it.

>>4190155
>Posts in artwork and critique
>Gets mad out when people actually give thoughtful critique
why

>>4190176
I appreciate the paint over. Thank you, anon.

>>4190130
>combining stylized with realistic elements is unappealing
No.

>>4190189
those eyes are much more realistic and believable, just only a tiny bit bigger than a real face
on his drawing they look very flat with the way they are rendered and juxtapositioned with the nose and mouth

>>4190184
It's hardly critique, its essentially some unexplained pseudoscience that mixing realism and exaggerated features is not ok according to you.

>>4190210
i reflect on what i wrote now
i know i am right but maybe it is not that important

>>4190210
How dare people try to explain what makes stylized works look good in the stylization thread, of all places

>>4190218
You sound like a chink, this is what chinks do. They try to enforce their own personal preferences as if they are law.
>>4190223
There is more than one style, in fact that is why it is called a style

>>4190110
Looks perfectly fine to me.

>>4190176
Didn't really change the appeal. Just makes it look more samey.

>>4190141
How did I get this good /alt/
Are we forever doomed to be here

>>4190161
>as opposed to what?
The past 4 OP, except for that skateboard girl, deserves OP. They're all well executed and designed. Can it be argued that the first two in your list deserves OP too? Sure. Is the rest of your list except for the first two any more creative than OP? Not really.

Yes, there has been a short uptick of Orenji in the OP, but to say this is the norm is disingenuous. Just look a few weeks back and you'll see a cute furry comic, an environment drawing, playful robotic TVheads, a chrome battle armor and a whole host of variety of subjects.
I'll continue to address your concerns regarding "variety" down below

>False
>>4186554

>It's not a literal carbon copy
It literally is. I actually do find it charming, but does it have more artistic merit than a carbon copy of a Japanese anime style? Not really.
It's not an innovative move either, it's definitely Cuphead that is the real culprit for bringing a resurgence of interest to this style to the mainstream.

>is such a nonsensical pejorative
Not any more meaningful than "anime girl". We are discussing about creativity and uniqueness, so I'd say it's relevant.

>I disagree
Is it kinda cute? Sure. Is the design more creative than most of the posters in the thread? Again, not really.

You're confusing your personal preferences with objective artistic merit.
You are simply listing off art from different genres of subjects and styles without regards to their actual merit within that genre. This is an important point.

I myself do fancy a healthy variety of actually unconventional styles that actually looks good, but this is not the way to go about things.

I'd say that we could have a rule that disallows featuring an artist more than once or twice a month. It's a fairer compromise.
IIRC, DAD threads featured an unspoken rule where the OP can't be made by the same artist of the last thread. I wouldn't have a problem seeing something like that implemented here.

>>4190176
>I feel your stylization is a bit odd as you try to mix a more realistic style with anime graphic appeal,
What the hell does "anime graphic appeal" even mean? Anime is a SUB GENRE of animation. It's Japanese animation specifically. Anime serves an an umbrella to so many unique art styles, many of which do actually mix realism with stylization. So I'm not even sure what you're saying here. Pic VERY related.

There is nothing "odd" about Whitebox's approach. He's a very capable artist imo with good drawing skills, although I'm not a fan of his rendering at times.

>>4190419
I said "anime graphic appeal" because he was using a very graphic anime style of drawing eyes, I'd compare the style of drawing eyes to something like this. Eyes like this do not make sense if you try to draw them realistically and extremely detailed, because they are meant to be viewed as graphic shapes.
There are plenty of ways to draw anime in a more realistic, less graphic approach, You posted many good examples of those styles. The point I am essentially trying to get at is that he is slapping anime eyes on a more realistically styled face, rather than taking realistic eyes and finding a way to incorporate a more anime style into them

>>4190312
>>False
>>>4186554
You Said:
>I mean, literally one work in your list is a generic anime girl that you despise so much
>is a generic anime girl
>I posted an illustration with decent composition and with multiple characters in the comp.
How the in the hell do you see that illustration with multiple elements and figures in a scene and reduce it to "a generic anime girl"? Are you fucking blind?
>It literally is. I actually do find it charming, but does it have more artistic merit than a carbon copy of a Japanese anime style? Not really.
A carbon copy implies he looked at something already done and literally recreated it detail for detail. Is his art reminiscent of that style or era of animation? Yes? Is the aesthetic entirely original? No. That isn't and was never my argument to begin with, so I'm don't see what you're driving at. Not only is he designing his won characters, he's pretty much the only poster in these threads (or even this entire board) that draws in that old school style. His work has a lot of charm, so maybe he ought have some recognition, at least maybe once for fuck's sake.

The fact that any one artist is given recognition repeated times when so many other posters with equally if not more creative art in these threads haven't gotten the same privilege not even so much as once is a fucking shame. Which just makes it more apparent that 'cute' or sexy anime girl art is what is the most likely to be given recognition. More variety would be nice, that's literally all I'm arguing for. Because the entire premise of these threads is alternative art styles.
>It's not an innovative move either, it's definitely Cuphead that is the real culprit for bringing a resurgence of interest to this style to the mainstream.
I'm not making the argument that posters need to reinvent the fucking wheel in order to have merit, I'm saying that there's a trend of subject matter gets more recognition. More variety would be nice.

>>4190087
Just admit you wanted to be featured as OP and one of the posts you listed is your work. If you're trying to draw just so you could gain attention and fame in a vietnamese rice forum then you're seriously ngmi

>>4190432
You are very much boxing him into making art in a specific style. From what I've seen of his art over time, he doesn't seem interested in trying to draw derivative generic moe blobs. If anything I think his style is more reminiscent of 80's anime, with the the way he combines some realism and stylization. I agree that sometimes his form needs some work, or minor details are at times off, but there's isn't anything fundamentally jarring about his style

The example you provided seems to be misaligned with what he's going for desu

>>4190471
I would love to see more posters in the threads get recognition. I'm simply advocating for other posters and the work they produce, yet you want to make this about me and how you think I'm apparently jealous or whatever. You're misunderstanding me entirely if that's your conclusion.

This isn't about fame, who the fuck is talking about fame? I'm arguing about giving some positive reinforcement to more posters that share their work in these with some recognition every now and then. Call me crazy, but I'm of the opinion it would be inspiring and motivating to see more variety of work featured and would help cultivate a sense of community in /alt/ threads, considering there are many posters who have been posting work consistently for some time. To say that isn't an active element in these threads would be disingenuous.

>>4190227
Beauty in art only comes from when something can no longer be improved. Your style should be improved, don't defend it if it doesn't work. Make changes if you don't want to hear "make it all anime" or "make it all realistic".

>>4190509
It does work. Maybe not for you, but it works. and I'm not the fucking artist. people don't have to change their art to your personal whims. why the fuck should he change it to be "all anime" or "all realistic" that is a purely subjective criticism

>>4190297
nice hair, eyes are a little kooky somehow, so shift the iris of her right eye more to the side and then the whole eye more towards the nose

>>4190514
Wow, you said fuck, now I'm really paying attention. Anyway, he's asking for critique from here, he should change the bruised sameface up and experiment instead hoping the people here change their taste.

What a thread
I intended to redraw some character sheets today but instead drew plants. I feel like I'm starting to figure out how to do the brushwork for a loose style of foliage

>>4190528
it must be bliss to live in as empty a mind as yours. No one is asking you to change your taste. In fact, it is you who is asking him to change based on your taste. expressing a personal preference is not a critique

>>4190573
You should feel bad for thinking yourself into a corner, since I don't care about arguing well as much as you. With your smarts, what can he do to improve, then? What does he hope to gain by posting the same shit here and not growing from abuse?

>>4190573
>expressing a personal preference is not a critique
Not that anon but almost all critique is based on personal preference. I think it's pretty silly to get this defensive over criticism, Op asked what anons thought about it and people told him their opinions. It wasn't even particularly scathing and a lot of it was detailed and constructive, I've gotten roasted far harder by anons.
If OP is really happy with his style of drawing faces, then he can just ignore the criticism and move on, which seems to be what he's been doing for a while since his style of faces hasn't changed in the last few months. No need to get mad at anons for offering relatively reasonable crit on a crit board.

>>4190565
lovely

>>4190565
Nice stuff. I'm a brainlet right now but I feel like both the bg and girl are too saturated. Maybe have the bg dulled down so the girls pops even more? That sounded dumb but I don't know how to explain it

>>4190565
the face could be..better. it just seems low effort compared to everything else

>>4190607
>>4190653
Thanks. I know what you mean, anon. The colors have looked off to me as well so I have been tweaking them. I wanted to keep everything faitly saturated since I felt destaurating the bg made it look too dreary, how does this look?

>>4190659
Could you elaborate on that, anon? To be honest That is an issue I have always struggled with, I want to have simple cartoony faces but I enjoy painting and I am not sure how to approach it without making the faces look too simple in comparison to the rest of the picture.

>>4190679
Forgot to attach this

>>4190679
>Could you elaborate on that, anon
I think you could could get away with more detail on the eyes, right now they just seem flat and uninspired. they look a bit lopsided too.

do u like anything u see

>>4190744
i like all of it

>>4190744
no

>>4190752
Damn why not

>>4190757
fear of the color white

Last thing I did, redo of an old sketch from a year or so back
I'm definitely getting used to drawing on an iPad, I may even prefer it

>>4190810
Ah only just now realized I forgot to fix the hair color extending into the face area

a lot of firepower

>>4190744
>King Crimson

I don't know why, but I do enjoy seeing drawings where they make his face even more furious.

>>4190853
Damn thats tough as fuck anon

>>4190259
your lights dont pop and dont look like lights at all

remember, to have light, you also need to have shadows

>>4190744
if I look away from your pic? yes, I like what I see

>>4190872
damn what do u not like about it

>>4190887
dude, everything, you are beg, we all were at some point, keep going at it, but dont ask others if they like what they see at this stage

>>4190887
file is too big and I'm afraid to open it.

>>4190888
>>4190893
ill crop n color some of em see if it's any better

>>4190898
dude, dont polish turds

go for quantity over quality

>>4190853
FORM = FELT

>>4190906
i thought this one was alright. How about u

>>4190928
Sadly, not really.
Keep on grinding my beg friendo

>>4190810
I don't understand what's going on in here

>>4190928
Thighs are disproportionate to the rest of the body and hair doesn't seem connected to the scalp.
>>4190810
Doesn't read too well, at first seems like the left girl is holding a mic or something. Maybe have the shoulder a thiner outline where it connects to the body.

>>4190853
this is amazing
blog?

>>4190312
can you make it any less painfully obvious that you wanted your pic to be in the OP ? Seriously who samefags this hard.

>>4190565
Lovely stuff ness. You make me jealous.

>>4190744
I like your more stylized art

>>4190297
this is cool

>>4190991
>Seriously who samefags this hard.
Well it's safe to say, you're a fucking moron.

>>4190176
the original is 10 times better you fag

>>4191103
you're actually retarded or have autism.

>>4189972
help please
>>4191227

>>4190110
I hope you don't mind, but I gave painting over your drawing a shot.
Your style is nice, but like other anons, I feel like not rendering the face with such hard shadows would really help add some extra appeal. Try to use softer shadows and let colors bleed into each other a bit to make things feel softer. Also, in my opinion, try not to paint the skin so red, I noticed as I was painting that it feels a bit too crimson.
Good luck!

>>4189995
goin digital now, huh?

>>4191274
blog?

>>4190110
your linework is exceptional as always. I just don't like that character design. Sorry

>>4191103
>he ran out of arguments
lel

>>4191277
Just an anonymous passerby really

Does Jay have a dedicated defense squad now or is he just samefagging?

>>4191274
Beautiful

>>4191289
samefagging himself

>>4191283
looks really qt so far

when will his autism tantrums stoppp

>>4191274
amazing

>>4191275
I wanted to try sketching in digital so that I could be more loose with my strokes, I did have fun :”D

>>4191274
Thank you very much for the paintover, Nat the Lich. I love what you did the the shape of the eyes and lips.

>>4191292
>>4191292
>>4191297

This is my third post on this thread, and listed below. I posted my cropped piece, and my response to the two paintovers.

>>4190110
>>4191274
>>4190110

>>4191362
>>4191281
>namedrops him in the reply
gee well done fag

>>4191365
Are you that afraid? You've been lashing out at other anons to claim they're me. Why?

Artists who post here have nothing to be afraid of from you. I'm honestly surprised, and elated, seeing anons having these discussions and what they want out of this board. Artists working to make this board less of a shithole and more of a valued resource to artists. Discussions on how to manage exposure of fellows. Never expected to see that. Why ruin that?

i regret making this thread and i will never make another thread

>>4191409
what on earth are you on about

>>4191416
To start, /IC is a hub for both Eastern and Western styles. Why are people flipping out over this?

>>4191420
Dude listen. I only said that you called out someone who wanted to remain anonymous. I dont give a shit about the previous sperg conversation about styles. Get your head checked there more than one poster here

>>4191280
what argument? you literally made a false assumption by accusing of samefaging. Are you an actual fucking moron? Yes.

>>4191190
>no u
Ohhh geee certainly didn't see that curve ball coming...

>>4191425
Acknowledged.

To address the OP issue, I recommend a collage using three to four images. This will better advertise the diverse styles on the board for the next few /ALT threads. That should be enough.

I guess I dropped by on the wrong day to post stuff huh
I lurk here from time to time but is the thread always brimming with arguments like this?

Just a bit of fun from imagination

>>4191452
I'm surprised by this as well, and I've been a regular here.

>>4191461
It's such a shame, it was fun trying out something new and posting it on the thread but I guess lurking is the most wise option.

>>4191470
/IC is undergoing a painful metamorphosis of sorts, and for some reason I got dragged into these arguments. The crabs are mostly after me anyways. Give it another shot. New content and inspiration is always a plus here.

>TFW posting in an autistic thread

Its been a while since I've done a digital painting, should I finish? I feel like it has potential

>>4191228
do people actually paint in csp? the brush engine feels like complete shit

just make a hard rectangle with opacity jitter

>>4190853
Loving the design, dude. Keep it up!

>>4191459
Her torso and arms are very small compared to her legs. Where is the horizon line supposed to be?

>>4190565
Great color work as always, Nessie. I agree that darkening and desaturating the foliage in the foreground would do wonders for this piece.

>>4191537
face perspective bad

>>4191545
I'll try to fix it as I work along, thank you!

>>4191543

>>4191443
>To address the OP issue, I recommend a collage using three to four images.
Maybe a good idea after all, but I can already tell lazy OPs will just continue to play favorites. We'll see.

>>4191573
I see. The perspective and angle of the head is throwing it off. In your piece, she looks like she is leaning her head to the viewers side and twisting it.

Here's a reference (best I can do while I'm away). This app has just a male skeleton (widen and narrow the hips, lengthen the legs a tad, and narrow the head and ribcage) but I hope it helps.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

>>4191615
Here's another for the features.

Man, you autistic retards ate cattier than the worst woman.

>>4190565
Resize that nose and it will be good

>>4191615
Thanks man, but her other hand is gonna be on her hip as well, just havent drawn it yet :)

>>4191636
I see. If you'd like, I can send another one with hands on hips.

>>4191645
Nah it's okay you've helped enough already

>>4191655
Understood. Best of luck to you, anon.

trying to get this sketch off the ground, how should I clothe her?

>>4191715
To start off, who is she? Where does she live and what time period? What does she do for a living? Why is she looking to the stars? And lastly, how does she plan on accomplishing her goals?

About to clean this up. How wonky does the background look in relation to the girl? It's just a sketch right now so I'm not committed to it, don't know if it's even that noticeable though.

Messed around with some color

>>4191751
its serviceable but i bet you could do better. unfortunately its too late to do anything interesting perspective wise because she is so flat... maybe thumbnail some other ideas and rework if you can come up with a stronger composition?

>>4191791
It never occurred to me that the character might be too flat. I guess I just wanted to do something relatively easy after I got frustrated with the perspective on my last piece and gave up on it. I'm probably gonna just tweak the bg otherwise it'll be a repeat of that, but now I want to make perspective a priority for the next thing since you mentioned it.

>>4190859
>>4190910
>>4191543

thank you, anons :)

>>4190986
thanks! I have a twitter, @art_mellon.

>>4191909
You're welcome!

sketch for new drawing :)

>>4191777
I like the left most best.
>>4191810
I dont really know shit about anatomy, but something about the left character makes it look like to me the torso is on backwards. It's the shoulder/neck/peck area that confuses me. I like it though. I like simple designs. What kind of brush is that?

>>4191932
cute face. Throw a helmet on that cutie and make her a pilot.

>>4192012

Thoughts so far?

Tiles in the middle are fucked I know, gonna redraw

>>4192077
the rendering reminds me of the artist who draws the traps and fembois having musky sex

>>4191932
nice unnecessary chicken scratch construction
>>4191810
the way you draw deltoids makes me want to kill myself
>>4191777
theres a good chance youre mostly symbol drawing but i cant prove it
>>4191283
why the fuck you got highlights in your eyebrows, also work on your interlocking at the joints
>>4190928
nice talent
>>4190853
good job my dude, you should work on your interlocking and the way you incorporate your straights
>>4190810
nice cheap blue shadow technique
>>4190680
i hope you get back into exercise nessie, look at the way your knuckles start when you construct your hands. Your straight are coming as concave and your line design is off of for your forearms

>>4190259
your making folds at random and in the process breaking the arms
>>4190189
ear perspective consistently off, eyes consistently drooping (yes i know its not your drawing)
>>4190110
bad grasp of perspective and fear of pushing features upwards (nose mouth), boob light at the wrong angle
>>4189995
i think youre symbol drawing but don't know
>>4189979
draw your cylinders to ensure consistency of the limbs
>>4189977
broken wrists, misplace neck, but you're getting better despite your tomfoolery, great line design but lacking a bit of cleanliness

>>4189977
I just realized this with a drawing I did recently where I made the same mistake, the hand doesn't rest on the forearm when the arms are crossed, it wraps around the bicep. just try folding your arms like that with your hand there, it's uncomfortable and unnatural if not impossible.

>>4192090
hey retard i just told you this 4 minutes ago

>>4192093
what? i'm not the guy who drew that

>>4192088
Decent crit for once but also go fuck yourself Nosebro

bland sketch #213 that won't get finished.

>>4192289
I like it
Do you usually not finish things?

>>4192088
>symbol drawing
Damn thank you for pointing it out, its something I’ve been conscious of and trying to work against but I think I slip up here and there. I’ll try harder

>>4192088
pyw

>>4192088
kys

>>4192088
Take your shitty advice back to the /beg/ thread retard.
Why don't you post your work before sprouting some dumb shit?

>>4192088
>nice unnecessary chicken scratch construction
yes i went too far you ar right
struggling with making good lines on digital

>>4190176
Wow you made it uglier. Retard

>>4192012
Could be me fucking it up, yeah, I had a lot of difficulty with the left girl and even more with right. Could also be her weirdly drawn overalls that look like they're on backwards. I never got around to cleaning that up. Who knows? Thank you though, it's good to know the problems I'm imagining from those I'm not.

I use either a hard round or a hard square/calligraphy type while sketching, or both. It might look special or "pleasantly noisy" in this case but that's actually a side effect of sketching, merging, separating, merging again, etc. which I planned to clean up.

>>4191932
cleaning up slowly

>>4192476
That split in her hair should follow the middle of her head like a sphere, if you get what I’m saying. Look at the perspective of her face and adjust accordingly

>>4192516
Oh! I see it, thanks for pointing out anon I'll fix it

>>4192497
update

>>4192618
I want to push her over and kick snow at her

>>4192327
>>4192354

>>4192088
Think I got the features taken care of. Main challenge is going to be the antennae. Anything else?

>>4192706
jesus christ you've regressed

>>4192706
wow it's nosebro

>>4192379
shut the fuck up. At least his criticism is constructive

>>4192717
i know :(

>>4192289
>bland sketch #213 that won't get finished.
Man, do I know that feeling...

Sketch before sleep

yuki

>>4192754
Nosebro is a terrible artist with an overinflated ego and should always be shooed out of threads before he starts shitting them up

>>4192779
Go back to /beg/

>>4192754
He draws like dog shit and so do you. No wonder you love his advice so much lmao.

ok im done here

drawing a stupid druid

>>4192840
Work on lighting; if the light is coming from the purple sky, the rest of the image doesn't make any sense. Your shadows are also very harsh for ambient lighting, and your lights are far too light.

>>4192864
i mean i imagined there is a moon somewhere up in the sky but you are right there wasn't much thought in those shadows you can say I symbol-drew them sorta

>>4192844
Sorry man, I can not tell what's going on.

>>4192291
I think I finished one drawing this year, and it wasn't colored.

>>4192832
>>4192829
>>4192833
3 in a row wooooo
Post your work :")

>>4192497
clean it on another layer, it looks awfull, the esketch looks very cute but you're hurting yourself by trying to clean it on a single layer like that

>>4192906
i know :(
but i always mess it up even more, breaking forms

ok ill try

>4192902
Thank you for reminding me to filter your cancer.

>>4192909
im not surprised you cant filter me properly since you cant even quote

>4192954
I'm sorry you didn't get that (you)

ok

>>4193012
I like your design. My only concern is the spikey things on her head, they are not placed in the same position on opposite sides of the head. It's too far to her left ear. Kinda lopsided. Also the mouth. You drew a closed edges on both sides of the open mouth. Try replicating her mouth expression, and you'll see what I mean. I'd just erase those lines at the edge or draw them closer to her lips.

i can do it
i was just using the wrong tools!

haha! funny doggy

>>4193311
Perspectives a bit wonky, the hind legs seem to be floting on air.

>>4193089
Dont give him crits he never listens. All he does is spam his shit in every server he gets his hands on and posts sfw shit on a nsfw aco commission thread and expects to get commissions even though he doesnt do nsfw. Also he is not to be befriended, he will back stab you as he did to me.

I managed to summon mothes stuff last time let’s see if we can do it again

>>4193438
oh he can go die in a fire then

>>4193012
disgusting grandma face, you best not be cooming to this shit

>>4193438
How did he backstab you. I need lore

you guys take the fun out of drawing

>>4193438
>he doesnt do nsfw
He sounds based

>>4193476
I thought he did mostly porn? Unless this is by a different artist

>>4193438

I've become more active in the servers. A friend of mine asked me to open up more, and I'm glad he talked with me about it.

If you are who I think you are, I left the project due to differences in the direction you wanted and I was willing to do, both in subject matter and stylistically. Before I left, I refunded your pieces. If there is a cent left uncounted for, email me or contact me on Discord.

>sfw commissions on a nsfw server

Yes, this happens and more frequently, and to various artists. Sometimes a client does not want a lewd on these servers.

>>4193089
After I clear two pieces, I will grind faces and expressions for two weeks. I've also been compiling influences to study for the last week.

>>4193311
i-is th-that a a p-pUPPER??!! a mother freaking DOGGO?? i need to boop the doggo's nose, what a goodboi

>>4192797
This looks familiar, but it's as if you've changed your style to something more mature. Interesting.

>>4192476
Gorgeous texture. It's like Firez but actually really nice feeling. Got a blog?

>>4193487
This was a different project. We parted on much more amicable terms. With him, the demands of his new career; myself working to begin a new life.

I hope we reconnect soon. I've love to take on his more political, SFW concept.

i haave not given up on thiiis
i wanted to have: ambient lighting from moon and stars
and reflected light from the snow
this was my thought process :(

also removed soul i think accidentaly

:)

>>4193591
loomis

>>4193582
Wow, much worse. Overpolishing is rarely worth it, do your self a faivor and move on.

>>4193596
yes this is a good idea
moving past the sketch phase is super difficult in general :(

>>4193591
may the Lord have mercy on you.

>>4193311
>doggo

Based.

>>4192797
Cute yet refined. Keep at it.

Guess I'm rendering this.

I tested drawing a doll with mushrooms.

>>4193837
her eyes are melting

>>4193591
Chicken scratching + severe elephantiasis.

>>4193582
You don't know enough about how shadows work. Let alone ambient lighting and reflections.

>>4193803
I want to see this when finished.

>>4193837
Nice color selection. Bottom of shoes is not in perspective though, it's like shes floating with no heel contact.
>>4192800
You don't know how muscles/bones work, look at those legs, everything else seems fine though.
>>4192797
cute sketch, keep going
>>4192788
Women usually have wider hips than their upper torso, here you have it backwards so it looks more like a genie coming out of the bottle instead of a snake/reptile

this is shit but i feel obligated to share everything i draw because i must be shit on to improve

Workin on this

>>4193923
==> /beg/

>>4193951
god I hate this so much

loomis for the love of god or better yet just quit art
>>/beg/

Is this butt alright?

>>4192779
I love this as in a cartoon style that could be in a Adult swim short kind of ugly.

>>4193963
alright maybe i shouldn't have shared it

>>4193982
panties perspective is kind of fucked

>>4193976
pyw

>>4193963
>>4193976
PYW crab.

>>4194016
I see it now. Is this any better?

>>4193557
That’s so nice to hear anon :) my blogs beholdnika on Instagram/Twitter, I don’t do paintings like this often enough at the moment but I’m definitely planning to make more so you can expect them :”D

>>4193554
>>4193640
>>4193914
Thank you

>>4193982
Butt aside the twintails could use more gesture, right now it looks a bit too stiff

>>4193582
its v. clear you arent thinking enough about the 3 dimensionality of the forms from the boots, jacket strap, and hair and it comes off poorly id spend time redrawing that rather than polishing

>>4190853
i really like this esp. the foreshortening and the mechanical design

>>4194081
And then she braps!

Why is painting backgrounds so much harder than drawing characters?

>>4194588
cause it's boring
most people including me just wanna draw characters

ok this is a new drawing

>>4194588
Make backgrounds out of giants?

>>4194626
Nice dreadlocks.

>>4194626
very awkward pose

change of plans then >,<

>>4194722

its not perfect but first time i love my drawing

>>4194798
Honestly anon, that’s a good thing. Allow yourself to love it even if it has imperfections.

>>4192797
I want to be strangled by her thighs

>>4194893
Damn WB, that looks dope. Keep it up

>>4194081
Somebody pointed out there is a leotard under instead and they're right. It was good pantsu practice anyways.
>>4194502
Quite pungent indeed...
>>4194115
Gotcha. Yeah I think each hair tail can split more

>>4194921
Thanks!

head before sleep

>>4193982
Blog please

>>4195076

>>4195507
>those hands
>that face

>>4195113
damn this is fucking sweet dude. What a weird process you have. Are you looking at a ref? Why do grays and lineart at the same time?

Making a drawing of ROB

I hate rendering

This is probably a dumb question but is there anything on shape language that anyone can recommend? I'm trying to make a villainous character for a game but other than "Just do triangles bro" I'm not sure how to effectively convey that idea of a villain just through shapes alone. For a character that is meant to be manipulative would that even be the right choice or should I stick with circles?

>>4189972
spurned women's club

Not sure if I am feeling this wip, I cannot nail what I dislike about it on a compositional level

>>4191004
>>4191631
danke

Fanart
Destroy destroy me with critique uwu

>>4195846
Who's the character supposed to be??

>>4195846
blog?

>>4195856
It's from a music video and may be a trap....
https://youtu.be/K-gbAi5UIg0

>>4195857
Twitter @Thireed_
I'm kinda new to posting art

>>4195846
Looks terrible.
There's too many flaws to even bother listing, but for starters the pose is awkward the hands are too small and drawn poorly and the head is positioned weird.

>>4195846
Work on your anatomy/structure, you clearly have a good sense of color and shape but you need to make sure your piece can sustain them

>>4196093
Absolutely gorgeous. Do you have a Twitter?

>>4195836
Blog?

Decided to rough out something from imagination. I think the lower half is flat compared to the upper half of the torso, plus I feel like I'm still chicken scratching a little (especially they eye and lower torso), I can't figure out if I am or just doing really messy rough lines.

>>4196256
That, and now that I think of it, the right arm (our left) needs work, as well as the feet.

>>4195841
Very nice.

>>4195841
composition is fine but the character doesn't stand out much because of the colors, water seems a bit too bright too but it's obviously unfinished

>>4195537
Thanks.

I did the sketch last month to work out something a little different. What I wanted to learn most was how manga artists did motion lines and how they used hatching to give the forms more depth and a sense of energy and presence.

During these studies, one thing I noted is that their hatchwork usually follows a straight, C-curve, or S-curve in a single direction to guide the eye.

The shadows right now are their as a visual guide. We'll see how the rest of the image goes.

>>4196093
I like it, just needs some adjustments.

>>4196507
Nice worthless comment. At least mention what needs fixing.

>>4196539
If you're the artist I take back what I said then. and the adjustments are relative to what i would make, doesn't mean there is anything wrong or need fixing, now fuck off with that rude attitude.

>>4196183
>>4196539
Thanks guys that you liked it.
I'm not this guy though 4196539.
Can you tell me what adjustments that you would do? I want to hear opinions from others.

I'm having a terrible art block, I've been forcing myself to draw...

Im still a little afraid to get out of my comfort zone a little bit but why does my art unintentionally looks like porn? should i leave it be?

>>4196669
Woops, forgot to attatched a pic

>>4196661
I was just gonna say change the right leg so that its not hiding behind the left leg, and im assuming if she has pig tails to make it more apparent with the other side. lastly her neck might be too thick and the back of her head is slightly too large. Again though just suggestions they dont impact the drawing greatly so you don't have to change it.

>>4196669
>unintentional

>>4196662
cute
>>4196669
>>4196674
Well you called her a milf and drew her in fishnets, also that "showing off my body" pose. What else were you going for here? I wouldn't call it pornographic but it's naturally going to be closer to that than a nun drawing or something.

>>4196669
>should i leave it be?
yes, stop worrying and keep drawing

>>4196697
Well i kinda knew she would look like one so i just name her like that, i just want to get out of the habit of drawing things too sexy from time to time so i can actually switch to my normal account to work again.

i dont like how this is coming along

>>4196768
Then why did you post it.

>>4196778
won't get any better without making things you hate and trying to fix them

>>4196959

>>4196959

>>4196959

>>4191615
>>4191617
What app?

>>4196237
https://twitter.com/monotone_ink
Follow me you fuck

>>4195507
You really fucked it up and made it even worse. good job, retard.

>>4193837
Blog?

>>4195752
Try making him very pointy

>>4195986
>>4196007
Aight back to figure drawing and anatomy