/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

those super glowy, lightened up anime images with common boring japchink bugman anime style

>>4188419
Why the fuck would a bad artstyle make you want to drop art? I don't like Calarts and think it's destroyed western animation but it's never stopped me working on my own shit or enjoying the art I do like. What a stupid fucking thread.

Disgusting

why would someone else's art make me want to drop art?

>>4188433
the west has always been shit at drawing

Anything drawn by this guy just makes me want to puke

Imagine dropping art altogether because a pro style you don't like exists.

>>4188419
>whats you least favorite artstyle?
heh

>>4188447
you bastard..

>>4188419

>>4188419
Mine.

anime is the most soulless garbage there is

>>4188419
Highly detailed caricature. I can recognize the stuff that is well done, and I appreciate the skill it takes to do well. However, it looks horrific, yet is intended to be goofy or fun. In the end, it's just kind of stupid looking. It isn;t flattering to the person portrayed, yet isn;t any kind of serious criticism.
It really does make me feel physically nauseous because the forms are so warped and grotesque, yet portrayed as if living flesh. I'm all for the horrific in art, but it should be more subtle and psychological. This really doesn't need to exist.

>>4188484
I don't think any other reply in the thread will be as good as this. I hate caricature too.

>>4188481
This, and I say this as an anime user

>>4188419
Anything that embellishes destructive character traits. Human nature can be very ugly, but it can be amazing too. Creating more of the former isn't needed, and I feel bad for the artists and the audiences of these things.

>>4188419
Mine

how about toriyama's modern style.
>>4188433
the art is the least thing wrong with capes. its the daytime-soap writing that's likely turning you off.

>>4188566

> Anything that embellishes destructive character traits.

This is not an art style. Also, I hope you don't mean that art can't show and elaborate on those aspects of human nature, but that they shouldn't be celebrated.

Have you seen Joker? How does that interact with your rule?

>>4188419
Anime girls wearing streetwear from famous brands with guns and katanas and a "Whatever" attitude. It's like the girl version of Kirito & edgy teenagers, that's what the fem side self-inserts into and it's notorious.

>>4188577
What the FUCK happened Toriyama

>>4188429
> buzzwords on top of buzzwords
at least post an example

>>4188599
It's a 'unifying' quality. Though I think it shows in the work.

I haven't seen the joker movie. But if it focuses on the dark aspects of human nature, then you have your answer. Human nature is like /ic/'s saying- you'll never get better by paying attention to crabs. The "crabs" here being human downfalls and shortcomings.

/ic/ doesn't like tumblr art which strips an ideal of beauty in favor of "truth to ugliness." I take the ethical counterpart, in saying I don't like art that strips itself of the ideal in favor of "truth" to human nature. (It's not correct anyway)
/ic/ and tumblr in many ways are opposite sides of the same coin.
I don't believe in feeding lesser ideals. Everything is a trade off, and things compound. The neurons you exercise to be happy vs despair for instance. Discipline vs laziness. Enjoying a drawing vs forcing something. I don't believe it IS entirely inconsequential, even within your own life, but for others' sake too. What kind of effect do you have on a friend if you cheapen yourself, and conversely if you hold to a standard?

It's been said a man can't ever be truly loathed unless he loathes himself. This has been a huge obstacle for me, which is why, in terms of art, I personally put so much weight on it. Those small concessions that people make add up. To admit something can be loathsome even to a small degree add up to a lifetime spent not entirely living as you believe. To live a life of this to the extreme isn't doing anyone any favors. And this is to say nothing of the creation of ideas, and how powerful that is. Everything is built on the back of another. Art would never be what it is without this. It's a fundamental truth.

Long way to go for "no, I don't believe in it"

>>4188431
OP's exaggerating you stupid autist.

>>4188697
He's gotten older in a highly competitive industry and therefore needed to make quantity over quality. This is true of pretty much everyone in comics. Leave it to an industry to rob itself of all its skill and splendor in favor of being first & current.

>>4188806
True, but those are street buskers spending 10 minutes on a thing, so there are multiple reasons it's not very good. The sad thing is, even really amazing, polished caricature is bad.

A better example: Mark Frederickson: https://www.workbook.com/portfolios/view/fredrickson

Guy wins awards, is reputable illustrator, there is totally a market or his work, apparently. He has obvious skill, but... WHY, WHY?

>>4188823
>>4188806
Oh wait, I think I misunderstood you, you were saying that professional caricature is tainted by the fact that buskers do it so badly..

>>4188824
Nah you were right the first time, even if they are highly talented, nothing about caricature art speaks to me. I would never want that shit up on my wall, or would care to spend more than 2 seconds looking at it if it were in a frame somewhere else. I think they get awards because the subject is usually a famous person or is dealing with a controversial issue.

>>4188761

Stereotypical tumblr style is an attempt to make the ugly beautiful, I see no truth there. Check out 19th century Russian realist painting.. now that's truth to ugliness, and very beautiful in other ways as it so happens.

Joker has a protagonist who is evil, and pushes the viewer to the edge of sympathy with him. So you'd probably puke.

I think you're wrong because people learn about reality and how to act through art. If art has no depiction of evil, ugliness, misery, tragedy, then people are more naive and lack emotional tools to deal with those things when they happen for real. The pursuit of happiness and beauty are shallow compared to knowing how to cope with and avoid suffering.

> To live a life of this to the extreme isn't doing anyone any favors.

I thought you were doing this...
>for other's sake too.
?

>>4188781
> pushes the viewer to the edge of sympathy with him. So you'd probably puke.
I'd hope one would, if you mean out of sympathy, rather than without sympathy.
Listen to your argument. Increasing the depth you can perceive misery must simultaneously increase sympathy, so let's go for broke in the misery direction, that'll solve it!

You're damned right people learn about life and how to act through art, which makes you, as the proud parent of your audience, responsible for the ever developing complexity of the relationship between good and evil. Are you so proud as to decide for each and every one of them, they should forsake innocence for a cruel lesson? What a psychotic arrogance to manufacture tragedy in the name of happiness. It's the equivalent of a preemptive beating, or digging a deeper hole so that you know how to fill it. There is a difference that lies within intent and humility between guiding people through misfortune and creating more. It can be a gray area, but it is not when it comes down to the actual effect within an individual. What ideas does something compound?
Yes, creating ever more awful tragedy is sure of one thing- that that idea now exists in more than one mind, thus ensuring people will need to deal with it in the future.
I suppose you believe "If not me, then someone else would have," or "I didn't create it, I just shared it"
It's a great way to shirk responsibility out of wanting to enjoy vices, while avoiding the question of what would happen, as a rule- If the social standard was to try to not embellish suffering. But to embellish good ideals instead, so that rather than draw collective attention to misery, foster the alternative in people's minds.
Do you suppose we have a shortage of awful shit? The antihero trope says a lot about how people actually take the garbage they eat. More than a full on century of a March toward the ever more cynical, the effects thereof readily apparent, and you can defend adding to that pot?

Steven Universe artstyle.

>>4188561
+1 for caricature

Living in NYC and seeing all those stupid 10 minute caricatures they draw on the street makes me think it's cheap quick bullshit that bums try to sell. I've never seen one that i thought "wow, that person is so skilled and artistic."

>>4188836
>I'd hope one would

I'd rather be able to hold my stomach when faced with evil.

>Are you so proud as to decide for each and every one of them, they should forsake innocence for a cruel lesson?

I'm not necessarily for morality tales, either, I just think there is an important place for art that reflects life in wholeness. And if I did create a morality tale, I'm not forcing anyone to look at it or interepret it the way I want them to. What exactly do you mean by innocence, anyways?

>I suppose you believe "If not me, then someone else would have," or "I didn't create it, I just shared it"

Why put words in my mouth? Yes, me. I did create it. It is good.

>If the social standard was to try to not embellish suffering. But to embellish good ideals instead, so that rather than draw collective attention to misery, foster the alternative in people's minds.

It isn't the social standard. Joker, a mild example, is harshly criticised. There's no standard one way or the other, people like to see it all. Sounds what you want are 50s era propaganda films, or Disney fairytales (but without the villains I guess?). Sorry, but there's good reason that great art throughout history isn't all lovely fantasies, but explores the full gamut of positive and negative ideals. It's because when people see what you are advocating for, they say to themselves, "wow, that's bullshit, life doesn't work like that". Why should they listen to you, pay attention to anything you say, at that point? They can't help but believe you're either lying or naive.

>>4188836
>Are you so proud as to decide for each and every one of them, they should forsake innocence for a cruel lesson?

Are you so proud as to decide for others what good ideals are?

>>4188823
I can +1 to caricature

I looked at your link and I can conclude its a lack of creativity which makes caricature so boring

look at any of the works in your link which is not supposed to be a caricature and its boring af

usually, when a caricature is good, it doesnt even tend to be considered as such, because its some others elements which are the main focus and the caricature is just considered as part of the style

Whatever style Big Mouth is drawn in. Most adult animation is hideous in America but Big Mouth is the only one that actually makes me angry when I look at it.

Obligatory, No it won't make me drop art all together, but it does drain my inspiration whenever I see it.

>>4188892
great line control though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4N8juDUGU0

>>4188441
Grappler Baki is the epitome of SOUL

>>4188912
i cant stand family guy. talk about a creative void.

>>4188882
Holding one's stomach and not feeling anything are not one and the same.

Innocence is the lower limit you have, being naive, past which something is painful, as in must be adjusted for mechanistically, psychologically. This is nearly universally regarded as bad outside of art. It's also the upper limit of what you perceive in terms of good, healthy constructive things. A race in life to push these bounds is a mistake, often in morality tales too, for which the life substance is not there to support the conclusion.
Owning what you create is a good step. I've created things I've since disowned because I believe they make a shitty gift to others.
Showing anger for instance, i don't believe can teach anything but that anger, partly because the intent cant ever be truly known. And it misses out on the potential to exercise the neurons responsible for solving things in a positive light. Psychopathy- aimless careless harm, as in that which some artists direct at the world has no place. That's my contention.

And if you'll pardon, but the
>people like to see it all
IS the social standard now.
Your last statement barring that, I agree with fully. I'm a libertarian with some possible caveats. I'm no authoritarian, but I believe that's one very real possible future if people can't be reverent, including by the way, me.

What I'm saying though, is that very destructive mindsets exist, and they are usually the ones to plumb these depths. To push limits and prosthelytize them, and even if they do not try to, ends up happening anyway. The problem is, some people aren't genuine and rather feed off of the pit being dug.
1/2

>>4188882
>>4188928
2/2
Which is why I think it so important that the social standard should be one of caution towards dealing with the dark side of life. Should you, as a creator, not as the public, speak to the darkest voice you can muster? Should the broadest public see it? There is a HUGE utility in innocence, for one it's so damn open to the world, it can't help but teach you about yourself. Closing off that door is destroying something uniquely amazing. It's a trade off you can't excuse forcing except by pride.
I don't know though, I honestly can't reconcile it. To me, if I actually make something interesting in terms of destructive character flaw, then I must also be pushing the bounds of what I know and understand. I would rather the world do without that. And so I'm left, essentially, yes only believing in the cartoony villain, or none at all.
In actual practice I suppose the only villain I value is the one of internal conflict.

>>4188886
I don't want to decide anything for another. But I would like to work towards accurately seeing the trade offs involved in life, and hopefully honestly navigate them. And share that answer if it helps others.

>>4188697
soul
>>4188577
no soul

>>4188419
>the kind that makes you want to drop art all together
Hyperbole aside, I really dislike the early artwork of Rumiko Takahashi too.
It just looks amateurish and sloppy. The colors are garish and the lineart is wobbly, not to mention the faces she puts on her characters seem smug and whinny most of the time.
Her new artwork is just bland.

>>4188925

Family Guy literally looks like all the designs were pulled from one of those, "How to Draw Cartoons" books that badly apes 1950s caricatures, but it's just so damn bland my brain doesn't even process it as art.

Big Mouth and Mr. Pickles though, are literally anti-art. They make reality uglier just by existing.

>>4188419
Anime

>>4188928
>>4188934
I think this value by the way can be summed up as; innocence, being the infinitely useful, and innately frail resource is the value to be preserved over the infinitely complex, and thus unwieldy, machinations the world builds on top of it.

Something like that if it makes sense.

>>4188419
i like his rendering but the actual style is just horrible to me and he hasnt changed or developed at all during all these years. its mind baffling. its all the same skewed to the left heads with tiny eyes wide apart and a huge nose. i wonder if his whole online presence as an artist has been possible because of that one brush setting in corel that he discovered and has been abusing for so long now.

This fag

>>4188484
I hate caricature hit I don't mind the grotesque aspect of it so much. It just feels so fucking boring and pointless and immature to me. I loved it as a kid, but as an adult it just seems to take an aspect of drawing that I love (proportion stylisation) and take it to pointless, unrestrained extremes, it's like the artists have the mentality of a child and just think mores stylisation is better/funnier. I guess the reason that I like general stylisation in art is that you can push and exaggerate certain qualities of a character or interesting face, but caricature just loses all subtelty to me. And it makes me cringe that full grown adults actually do it for a career.

>>4189001
>one brush setting in corel that he discovered and has been abusing for so long now.

im far from good but i made this with that that brush
i think you r right theres something about corel's brush engine and the way colors harmonies

I've always hated anime artwork that looks like it was specifically designed to appeal to the female (yaio) audience

Good looking anime men look gross to me

>>4189022
Jesus christ this looks like parasites under her skin, showing some veins is fine but this is just disgusting.

This style and the shield hero style is highly cursed. Now I can’t stop seeing these styles in every fucking anime. Dear god stop.

>>4189001
Sinix? in his defence he's basically a teacher, his day job is teaching in high school and his part time work is making tutorials on youtube, I think that's pretty much where his ambition ends. I think he has a cool style.

>>4188921
>that sound
I had to stop the video the moment he started drawing

>>4189053
each time I see this I still think is a parody of anime

I cant imagine being an animator and having to draw thousand of those faces

>>4189053
>>4189093
kek I completely relate to that, it's so distracting and bad

>>4189001
did you see his latest self portrait on youtube?
its pretty awesome

>>4188952
>Big Mouth and Mr. Pickles
if family guy is 'how to draw cartoons', these two are 'how to do flash animation'

>>4189102
Big mouth in general is shit so is mr pickles. It’s just
>le hilarious sex joke and puberty joke
>le edgy satan

This shit

>>4188419
I haven't watched it, but the art style and direction in Hazbin Hotel looks really bad, it's so chaotic and not in a good, fun way, it just looks... bad. It's surprising so many people are enjoying it.

>>4189099
i saw it but i dont think its awesome, its the same quality wise it has been for a very long time with him. the face is skewed again. the hands are poorly drawn and i dont get the reasoning behind the flat graphic elements (i do like mixing flat colors with a rendered figure but his color and shape choice is really weird and i dont get it). 9:45 he says it himself: "its basically the same as every painting i've ever done".

inb4 pyw - picrel is my example portrait from reference (so something that could be compared to his self portrait). im not claiming im better than sinix or anyone else out there but i'm not selling an art course for a couple hundred dollars either so theres that.

>>4189022
This makes me not like boobies. They're practically varicose veins.

>>4188429
I feel like I had a small stroke while reading this. Example?

>>4189139
That's some serious same face-ing

Anything with over the top bright ass colours and destroyed anatomy

>>4189149
personally i enjoy it, if hell were to actually exist it would probably look like hazbin hotel.

>>4188441
when you overdose on hogarth

>>4188433
This

>>4188447
This is exactly what I was trying to describe to someone when I said "That specifically Chinese style with an ass load of filters and shininess".

That said I still wish I could draw like that. I'm currently stuck drawing like Scott Adams of Dilbert fame.

>>4188441
don’t skip leg day

>>4188918
delete the fucking image jesus christ it’s hurting my eyes

>>4188892
-1 For caricature, it's all about the execution, if you exagerate the pleasant features of the face it looks ok, of course if you are not talking about caricatures in general but about the ones that purposely look grotesque, then yeah, they look kind of bad.

Anything with a flat base color and flat cell shading. Don’t know why normies like that so much.

>>4189044
>>4189022
>>4189321

He has the right ideas, just overdoes it massively.

>>4188457
THE CLAW!

>>4188921
Fucking warn people of ear abuse

When artists overdo it in trying to make something sexy.

>>4193221
>that picture
pfffHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>4193221
this is fucking amazing what are you talking about

>>4193221
It bothers me that some artists can render this well and can’t add variation to the skin hue

>>4188912

for once the normie in me wins over in saying the show is quality for the first few eps

the art style was an initial turn off as well though

>>4193221
All that rendering and that weird slit butthole wtf

basically all of normies trying be geniuses inj modern art

IM BAD ON PURPOSE wooops or i mean
WOOOPS

im gonna let the next anon elaborate

>>4189497
kek

>>4189497
underrated

>>4193356
what the heck are you talking about?

>>4188419
>least favourite artstyle
this souless shit

>>4193599

i was on drugs sorry

I'm glad you asked.

>>4193609
>>4189053
This

>>4193609
what do you dislike about it ?

>>4189032
sorry but you are beg. you dont exactly know what you are talking about.

>>4193221
i despise the image itself, but the rendering is going balls deep tho, literally.

>>4193609
pyw

>>4189039
strange, i think kubo is one of the best manga artists. everyone in bleach is just a supermodel

>>4188577
Faggot toriyama no longer draws dragon ball it's some other guy who "replicates" his style that's why his most recent work looks like shit, he just half assedly puts a story together and the other guy draws it, toriyama no longer cares about db

>>4188697
All "his" current art is made by his assistants and he's just overseeing nowadays, iirc.

Unpopular opinion but I really dislike JoJo's Bizarre Adventure art style. : (

>>4193346
there's one with a gaping butthole

>>4194716
same
I like SBR but everything else including the anime and especially the part 4 anime look horrendous to me

>>4194716
manga parts 4->7 look great
part 8 is too samefacey for me

>>4193319
it looks more pleasant doesn't it? at least with an anime style

>>4188918
This. The coloring is atrocious, I don't know how he sees this as acceptable/good

>>4193223
>>4193297
>>4193319
>>4193346
wait until you see the homo porn 'in action'

>>4188433
>mfw i hate art

>>4197077
could this be classified under body horror

>>4197077
>when the onions hits

this bland style i keep seeing used in modern animated concept arts
which'll then go on to be created into even blander 3d models. i see this design on IG a lot

>>4188419
Mine ;-;

Modern western mainstream cartoons.
Like fucking shit, this isn't art. It's cancer.

>>4189497

>>4194716
Which one? There are half a dozen completely different artstyles across JoJo. Do you mean the part 7-8 artstyle, like pic related?

>>4197619
>>4194716
Or do you mean the part 5-6 artstyle, like pic related?

>>4197407
This was the calarts style before 4chan ruined it the meme.

>>4189775
>That said I still wish I could draw like that. I'm currently stuck drawing like Scott Adams of Dilbert fame.
Dilbert is much more entertaining in comparison.

>>4189039
How do you feel about JoJo in comparison ?

>>4194716
I agree btw saying unpopular opinion makes you sound like a fag. : (