/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I will fight to the bitter end.

I'm on my 8th year of learning to draw and have still not made it. I am in a perpetual cycle of practicing and not doing portfolio pieces, so maybe that's why.

>>4184542
unironically PYW. what is it you're finding the hardest?

>>4184542
It’s because you need a teacher to help guide and critique your work.

why cant people here settle for drawing for fun?

post your work. I refuse to believe you haven't improved in 15 years

>>4184542
answer honestly OP: Do you enjoy drawing? Is drawing something you'd do just for pure pleasure and fun? More people need to realize that the most successful artists are those who genuinely love art and have a real passion for it. They think about it all day and literally breathe art. There's a reason there's a lot of medicore programmers and only a handful of really good ones, the former one force themselves into it for the money, and the best ones genuinely love coding and do it in their free time just for fun.

Sometimes I feel like I have no talent, and it's likely that it's the result of not practicing as intently as I should, but it doesn't really matter to me; I can get lost in drawing something for hours and when I'm not worrying about shit like that I end up enjoying myself the most.

>>4184542
I have no talent, but that's not necessarily the same thing as NGMI. You can build skill through hard work, even if you have no talent. I've improved a lot in the past year, I'm still confident I can reach my personal goals.

>>4184542
>15 years
>practiced every day
Post your progress please, I'd like to see what 5475 days of practice does.

>>4184563
I don't have fun at things I'm not very good at. I need to destroy other people and be superior to them.

>>4184542
>no art posted in entire thread
Yeah, this is the NGMI general alright.

>>4184630
Ok have a drawing I made. I'm >>4184622
It's outdated at this point and I've already posted it on /ic/ before because lately I've just been grinding a small number of pieces that still aren't done yet.

>>4184639
Forgot it

>>4184640
that's enough skeletons for me today

>>4184640
Polished turd, it looks like you're not practicing smartly

>>4184640
learn about reflected light and control your edges in cast shadows. you need to have both hard and soft edges. now all of your shadow edges are soft which causes your overall light/shadow pattern to look like a gradient. a quick vid on edge control -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjKKiNjvBM also a vid on reflected light -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3WmrWUEIJo

your drawing is clean and neat which is very good. i like the contrast between the outline and shadows.

>>4184640
learn to rotate your images

>>4184563
fun for me is getting better, sucking is not fun. I want to have control of what I'm going to make, not work the paper to death just for it to be shitty and not what I wanted to express. If your idea of art is a low standard then that's why you don't understand.

>>4184563
fun for me is getting better, sucking is not fun. I want to have control of what I'm going to make, not work the paper to death just for it to be shitty and not what I wanted to express. If your idea of art is a low standard then of course you don't understand.

>>4184542
There's your biggest problem. Wanting to be something isn't the same as having love and passion for doing the thing it entails. Like others said above, those who find their way as artists aren't people who want to be artists, but people who want and need to make art. Skill level is completely irrelevant, if you suck at realistic drawing/painting then try every single medium you can until something clicks with your voice and vision. Some people make art with math and technology. It's not just about """"grinding fundies""""""
>>4184629
immature but if that's the case then, again, invent your own way of doing things.

>>4184671
sucking is part of learning and its still fun to sketch out your ideas and roughs regardless of its quality :o)

>>4184678
yeah but he said
>why cant people here settle for drawing for fun?

but just drawing for fun is not fun when you suck.

>>4184542
There is this very strong desire when you're young and inexperienced to just "want to get an art job" or something to feel validated as an artist. but once you experience the boot-licky necessity of being paid to paint for someone else the goal will change to just wanting to just fucking draw what you want to draw.

Skip the stage of seeking art as a job/commissions and just fucking draw what you want and get an unrelated part time job to pay the bills. If you actually like drawing that will be enough and you will eventually be good enough to make some money from your own personal work. If this doesn't even sound appealing to you you probably didn't even want to be an artist enough in the first place.

>>4184563
I don't like the style of the characters face, it's soulless to me, but otherwise I love your style, it's great.

>>4184682
you're drawing the wrong shit just because you think that's what you should be really drawing. Sure you need to do the fundamentals but you should also be just drawing random shit that you find cool. If you're drawing cool stuff it will still be fun even when you suck. Sure it's frustrating at times, but is there seriously nothing you actually enjoy drawing?

>>4184692
the artist is hironori kikuchi
buy his recent book

>>4184639
>>4184640
Your "work" is a skeleton study? I don't think the problem is how long you've been studying, it's that you're not studying hard enough

>ngmi general
>0 work posted
oh woe is me

>>4184699
I have had fun, drawing has become more fun as I've improved, which took a lot of unfun moments to get to. Things like anatomy are really unfun at first, but when you get better at them and you can manipulate the forms, they become fun.

>>4184702
I wouldn't say that hes not studying hard enough, the study is very clean and nice. the problem is that he seems totally aimless. Sure if you just want to get "good at drawing" you can do anatomy studies all day and get better and better at drawing anatomy, but it's pointless, without a goal, an artist is nothing.

>>4184705
i think you're mistaking gratification for fun. Making a really good drawing your proud of is extremely gratifying because you feel that you have a valuable skill, or are developing a valuable skill. but if you are seriously drawing something cool for fun, it doesn't necessarily matter about that gratifying feeling because you're enjoying yourself in the moment.

>>4184692
>>4184700
>ngmi poster criticizing a working mangaka

that was a nice laugh. man, you some of you guys are doomed. quit being obsessed with /ic/ buzzwords

>>4184716
lmao fuck off I wasn't even being negative, I love his style I just don't like that face. You know pros aren't exempt from crit right? THAT is prime ngmi attitude right there, bucko.

>>4184700
I'll check him out, thanks.

>>4184702
You're right, it's just a copy and copies aren't very impressive. I'm still dogshit at doing anything from imagination but like I mentioned I have some WIPs going and those are from imagination, so I am trying to get better at it.

>>4184707
Uh, how did you infer that I'm "totally aimless" based on one drawing and a short paragraph where I said I hoped I could keep improving to reach my goals?

>>4184732
He probably skimmed the thread and thinks you're OP (who still hasn't posted his work).

>>4184737
You're right, some people probably think I am OP. The guy I replied to said "no art in the entire thread" so I posted some work in the hopes that all the other NGMIs would start posting some too. Sorry for the confusion.

>>4184711
lets get away from definitions and focus on the actual point of the topic you brought up, just doing art for fun does not feel good, it doesn't matter why.

>>4184718
nah, I don't think pros are exempt from crit at all, and your evaluation is valid. I just think this board needs to loosen up a bit and think beyond making stuff look correct and appealing.

for example, there's probably a reason that character is drawn with a blank dopey face, and it probably adds a lot to his story. Or not, idk, I don't like kikuchi's style either and I tend to flip past him when he's feature in kuš comics. draw whatever you want

>>4184621
I have the same problem. When I was a child I had some talent but time passed and I didn't draw with dedication as before. But when I make time to draw and paint I feel so well.

Define "making it." What is this unreachable goal you fags always want to get? An industry job? Commissions? Patreon coomer bucks? Twitter followers? Some of these goals you don't even need to be good at art.

>>4184758
For some of us, making it is as simple as getting acknowledged for doing a good job on a piece.

>>4184748
That's a fair point, but I was judging that as a stand-alone illustration because I thought it was OPs original illustration. There was just no need to be so negative and accusatory in your reply.

>>4184732
I don't mean to criticise you, but If someone asked to see my work I probably wouldn't post a study of one of the most unimaginably boring subjects I could think of. I'f try to post something that somewhat represents what I wish to achieve as an artist. Again I don't mean to put you down, that criticism was meant as a positive piece of advice.

>>4184754
your attitude that you squandered your childhood talent is probably holding you back. No one really starts getting good at art until they are like 18+ anyway because children are retarded and teenagers are egotistical and think everything they draw is hot shit. Most people don't start studying seriously until they read early adulthood.

No amount of practice will make you good enough to go against pure talent, it's the truth

>>4184760
This I actually understand and feel. You can grind boxes all day, do countless studies, and make something nice, but in the end it's the same as a tree falling down and no one is around to hear it.
Art is frustrating, but alot of the NGMI talk really isn't about the art at all. Not to mention when you do suck, there are others above you to tell you that you suck.

>>4184768
I simply don't have any work like that to show yet. I have no talent and started drawing a year ago. That's why I posted in the NGMI thread instead of the check out my great work thread. I am working on more things from imagination now though.

>>4184789
fair enough man, I've been there too, I didn't mean to discourage you at all, your skeleton drawing really is very good.

>>4184758
Feeling like I exist and belong in this reality. All I just want is acknowledgment.

>>4184758
I want to be good at art.

>>4184542
>tfw have talent and made more progress in 3 years than those artists I used to like and now they are the ones who follow me

>>4185689
Unequivocally based
Post your Twatter or whatever, let us follow you too, based anon ;)

>>4186002
No :)

>>4184549

Lots of us is in that cycle.
It's called CONFORT ZONE

>>4184549
>he LEARN how to DRAW instead of DRAWING and LEARNING
You guys are hopeless

I feel like I improve at a decent pace.
The problem is I don't put in the hours, so I will never get to a professional level.

13 years here.

>>4184640
That's amazing though
Why're you depressed again

>>4186108
unbased

>>4184542
Practice for quality ,not for quantity. If you practice plenty and nothing gets through your skull , then change tactics . It might actually help you better than practicing and not enjoying or learning anything.

>>4184640
You're GMI , keep working , and try to work on the harder stuff that scares you.It will give you a nice boost.

I'm a loser, honestly.
My art is mediocre at best, and I only saw some success when I decided to draw NSFW stuff, it made decent money and I was able to help my family, but it's not something I want to keep doing since I find it shameful and it fills me with guilt.

My work is shit on it's own, no one would care to look at it if I didn't draw tits.

>>4186590
The guy who made Hellsing used to draw hentai. Don't give up anon, keep drawing and focus on what you want to do , not what others want from you.

>>4186596
Yeah, I'd essentially be starting from zero again since I would need to build up a separate SFW account. May as well get started instead of dying inside.

>>4186612
Good luck anon. I believe that you can.

>>4186564
Thanks Anon, hearing you say that really made my day. I am working on some pieces from imagination now that are outside of my comfort zone so I'm hopeful that I can continue to improve.

>>4184563
I feel it's the only redeeming and special thing about me, I'm autistic about cartoons and want to spread the joy I got from seeing them to the next generation, I want to live off of what I'm 'good' at. It would make me feel more accomplished.

If it's earning a living you want, you need to get rid of these words in your vocabulary: talent and passion.