/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

based vodkanigger making it big in japan and makings all crabs seethe hard

>>4173226
this looks like one of those old cartoon network cheapo 3d shows lmao.. what were they thinking

>>4173230
cope & dilate >>4170704

>>4173225
>>4173226
"don't trace" they said, "you'll never make it" they said

>>4173225
making money

>>4173247
Neal Adams know you can trace
https://youtu.be/FVZzYlNIgMI

>>4173247
Tracing Ilya got popular because he regularly and frequently popped out normalfag-appealing finished work for several years, not because he was tracing.

>>4173301
>normalfag-appealing finished work
Like this?

>>4173225
I'm amazed that a guy who can only draw 1 girl in the same 2 angles can get jobs like this. e-fame can carry you pretty far it seems.
Hopefully the series does well, but since it's a 3dcg netflix original I'd not get my hopes up regarding the quality of that shit.

>>4173225
GOD FUCKING DAMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!

I can't believe Ilya made it now only that he's destroying an actual well beloved franchise, it was fine when he got his own anime couldn't complain about his same face girl then because it was an original but this?!

say ngmi get the scissors cut this crab but i'm done, /ic/ will now know that tracing anime is the way to make it. Skills and fundies will never be the same.

>>4173304
I hope it crashes and burns and he becomes associated with garbage releases exclusively.
Apparently, that Birthdayland thing is still the worst reviewed anime movie of 2019.

>>4173241
cope crab

Soulless vs. SOULLESS.

>>4173307
Read the comments, even japanese normies are shitting on his designs now and 2ch thread is full of people letting everyone know about his plagiarism. He may be set for life but karma is finally beginning to catch up to him.

>>4173225
Ghost in the shell was garbage anyways. Don't even know why people liked that shit. Bet only fat white weaboos watch it.

>>4173312

>>4173315
The big anime eyes ruined the whole thing.
Other than that, good movie actually
Is the torrent out yet?

>>4173314
come on, put a little bit of more effort into your baits. don't let this board become a total shit

>>4173316
Plenty of them on RuTracker.

>>4173225

>>4173317
Dude I'm being serious, I used to watch a lot of anime movies long time ago like galaxy express, and some of osama tezuka's movie's I think the main plot took place in a train. When I watched Ghost in the Shell however, all I could damn well remember is the part where she almost gets torn apart by some tank machine. No feels, no soul, nothing at all that attaches me to it. Care to explain to me why it's considered so good?

>>4173312
SAC was okay, good even. Especially when you have Arise to compare with. Fuck you.

>>4173303
hello my new discord avatar

>>4173329
>discord

>>4173312
Looks literally better than the original lmao. /ic/ btfo'd

>>4173325
>Care to explain to me why it's considered so good?
Not him but first of all it's really fucking well animated and shot, composition is always impeccable and complements the story and themes invoked here perfectly.
Then there's the score that I personally find phenomenal, and the design of the city that became so iconic it inspired a ton of sci-fi works. All that's without going into the story presented there which I find quite nice, even if you can feel it's only a vehicle to present different concepts and themes the author was really into. With that said it never felt pretentious to me, just elegantly presented between or through these scenes of visceral violence.
I don't know if you dig all that sci-fi/cyberpunk aesthetic, if so it might be worth revisiting sometime.

>>4173313
I wish I could read nip, I love when they get ultra autistic about shit they don't like.

>>4173321
https://ghostintheshell.fandom.com/wiki/Tachikoma

>>4173325
SaC has one of the most politically/thematically charged storyline in anime period. It touches transhumanism, economics in a post neo-capitalist society, police state, hyperconnectivity, and plenty other. A ton of small details get reincorporated later, on second watch you see more clearly the tachikomas developing a "soul".

It has at least a dozen of super memorable episodes like the tank chase, the one with the fake robbery to unveil corruption, the first episodes of both seasons, the assault on the rebels in the jungle. The more dialog heavy scenes always have cool stuff to look at (like the virtual lobbies scenes).

The last episodes are incredible and there is no way you can say this has no soul with a straight face.

Both the first movie and SaC do Blade runner better than Blade runner

>>4173344
Despite you're being absolute fucking reddit, I can't disagree. SAC was good.

>>4173226
The character design is fine though. It's just doomed to look bad being a cheap CG production, which has nothing to do with Ilya.
Then again I can see why people who care about this series would be upset.

SaC was a more faithful adaptation if you consider the source material. The GITS movies were all just Mamoru Oshii stuff imo

>>4173334
I see.. Might revisit and try to understand the movie again. Was probably a bit too young to understand the themes when I watched it the first time. To be real, I thought the only reason why people liked it was because they got to see some purple haired badass looking chick jumping around in some kinda leotard.


>>4173344
I lost you in the very first sentence, but u seem to be implying many episodes. I thought there was only 1 movie for ghost in the shell. Anyhow, I guess this cyberpunk stuff just isn't my thing.. Kinda more into stuff like vinland saga and AOT

>h-he's a hack!
>h-he plagiarising
LMAO
can't believe crabs are still seething over Ilya in the actual year of 2019

>>4173372
>im so clever im gonna get all replies now tee-hee

>>4173377
post your work if you're so much better than Ilya
The truth is you're just a crab and you're never even gonna become half as succesful as him.

Holy shit, lmao. I know it's a random ass post but it sounds exactly like him.

>>4173383
How do you know it sounds exactly like him?

>>4173379
fuck off, lazy b8

>>4173389
How can the truth be bait?

>>4173312
Someone PLEASE explain to me how the new one looks worse without using completely subjective words like "soul". You can prefer the old one, but I really don't understand the hate this board has for Ilya. The art looks nice.
Yes he's been caught tracing/heavily copying in the past, but it was a while ago and he's since apologised. I don't see how that makes everything he draws now bad. What am I missing?

>>4173383
>4chin post real because I want to believe it

>>4173391
>d-debate me! n-now! dumb sssethers!

>>4173395
1. Apologies mean nothing. It's easier to keep on tracing while being careful about getting caught than learning how to draw shit that you can't.
2. People are shitting not on the render itself, but on the character design that looks like a shitty 15 year old moeblob and not a badass cop that Motoko always been. This is compounded by the fact that she also looks 100% similar to 99% of the girls he has ever drawn.

>>4173395
Because he showed his true color, a hypocrite faggot.

>>4173399
Right, so it's mostly down to people who like the series feeling the design doesn't fit the characters personality. That makes a lot more sense.

>>4173400
I still really don't find this as offensive as you guys seem to. Most of these at least have original rendering that look better than the original, and I'd argue the Kiki and Spirited Away ones are clearly redrawn from iconic scenes, so it's not really deceptive.
Some of these I can't defend at all though so I see your point. He's at fault for sure, but I just can't say it ruins the art of his I like.

>>4173406
>design doesn't fit the characters personality.
Yes but it also kind of comes down to the fact that he's actually a terrible character designer who can literally only do one face and nothing else. People have been calling him a hack for years and now he fails at exact same things people have been criticizing him for.

>>4173396
Yup, he's living rent free in /ic/s head.
>>4173400
even if any of you fags literally TRACED the exact lines of those pictures you couldn't make them look half as nice as Ilya did.

>>4173312
Did the original have soul?

How can people still be sucking Irya's dick in this day and age

>>4173434
It's the same 2 or 3, possibly russian, faggots "defending" him with obvious baits every single time it gets brought up.

>>4173431
Yes

>>4173435
Nope. I guess I'm just more interested in looking at nice art than some kind of made up art politics. The dudes got 360k followers on twitter so you're delusional if you think plenty of people don't enjoy his art.
I'm not sucking his dick and I don't think people should have to like his art; I just do. It's pretty stupid to act like there's nothing at all to enjoy there.

>>4173435
Holy shit you can't make this shit up
imagine being so angry over another persons success

>>4173395
>I really don't understand the hate this board has for Ilya.
It is quite simple tough Anon, Ilya has became famous (or at least recognized) around the Internet and even in Japan to the point of being hired to work on stuff your average crab just dreams of. While at the same time it has been proven that he actively traced other people's work in order to get famous.

Thus in the eyes of /ic/ Ilya does not deserve his outrageous level success because the only thing he is good at it is drawing generic waifu faces from references with just one simnle expression using filters and chromatic aberration to blur and hide details. The full range of his art abilities is questionable at best and there are many many better qualified yet unrecognized artists out there with much better skills who would probably do a better job at the tasks that Ilya has been hired to do.

tl;dr Ilya became famous by plagiarism and cheating and still he gets hired and paid big money to do projects that are way beyond him, which in turn will reduce the project's quality overall.

I do not see what is so hard to understand about this.

>>4173443
Nah, you're just a mouth-breathing retard who wants the same picture shoven down his throat literal hundreds of times and thinks it's ok to defend and enable stealing and lying scumbags just because they have big following.

>>4173346
Ah Reddit yeah yeah sorry :

yo fucking nigger nigger kek tranny, NGMI faggot haha

>>4173395
>explain why worse

That highly rendered sameface is probably not a good idea for animation. Yeah the poster looks good but the screencap one post below is already scuffed. It has that lifeless Appleseed early 3D anime stiffness in the face.

Look at the actual teaser on youtube, come back and tell me it moves well bud'. Cause it don't.

Pic related is anime 3D design that actually reads well in movement

>>4173225
The only relevant fact really; it's destroying a franchise

thx normieflix

this is further proof that audiences are dumb and only appreciate the most shallow and shitty aspects of the media they consume

if so many people are ok with this garbage then it only makes sense that nobody cared about what made the movie interesting in the first place

>>4173448
>Thus in the eyes of /ic/
in the eyes of any sane person you mean, putting /ic into the bucket is kinda stretch. Fact is nips don't yet know about his plagiarizing and shit

>>4173453
>>4173455
this

>>4173448
>>4173457
You retards might wanna go to 2ch and watch the shit show, they're fucking livid there

>>4173452
why do homos on /fit/ keep posting this anime?

>>4173448
good for him. It's not like him not having a job means the crabs on here would be in his place.

>>4173449
Nope. His art looks nice and it doesn't bother me much they're similar because there's a million other artists I look at as well.

>>4173452
Yeah, this I get. I was looking at it just as a drawing, but in this context it's not well designed for animation. But I hate pretty much all CG in anime anyway and I don't think that has anything to do with Ilya. It's just cheap crappy CG.

>>4173459
link?

>>4173469

>>4173462
>good for him. It's not like him not having a job means the crabs on here would be in his place.
You do not understand. Crab mentality dictates that if crabs can't have that dream job then nobody else should have it either.

>>4173459
I don't think many people can read slavrunes mixed with memespeak. Also pretty sure it won't translate right half the time.

>>4173470
Don't tell me to look there only to meme me with your nip faggotry you dipshit

>>4173476
>あ、素子に感激ってキャラデザじゃなく勿論田中敦子さん声ってことね。
“Oh, I'm so impressed with the elements, and of course the voice of Tanaka Riko, not the character designer.”

>れ、メインの義体じゃなくて
幼女仕様の義体なら納得いくんだけど
“This can’t be the main body. I’m convinced it’s a young girl-specific body”

>絵から声に違う感。
“Different feeling from image to voice.”

>素子だいぶと可愛いなったな
>声はいいけどこれじゃない感
“It’s become too cutified.”
“The voice is nice, but not this.”

>>4173459
We do not read moonspeak

>>4173455
Look at youtube comments and likes/dislikes, look at /r/anime. Absolutely no one is ok with this. This is by far the worst career choice this faggot has done after he decided it was a good idea to steal other people's art.
He grew up a weeb full of dreams of moving to japan and now otakus he always envied and admired so much are probably sending him death threats for raping their beloved franchise. He is now known as "that 2.5 star children's cartoon and shitty netflix GITS guy".
Combine that with some good old Japanese xenphobia and he's destined to either keep making trash like this or retire back to scamming people on patreon.

This is literal poetry. A guy ready to do anything to get big in the industry he admired being directly responsible for ruining it and hated by people like him.

>>4173225
How more dead and lifeless can you get?

>>4173484
>Look at youtube comments and likes/dislikes, look at /r/anime. Absolutely no one is ok with this.
implying that represents even 1% of the market

>>4173489
This is a slice of normie reception. It is more than reasonable to expect same reaction from general public because youtubefags and redditors ARE general public.

>>4173492
No, the general public are the ones that do not give a damn. People that actually take the time to post/tweet/comment about shit are the vocal purists that care enough to spend time with shit like bashing and artists they know little about. The vast majority of normie people do not give a damn just wait for the release watch the thing and then move on with their lives.

There are so many GOOD artists, yes somehow people tend to shit on Iriya-kun only. GEE I WONDER WHY.

>>4173499
Except this IS the audience that shit is aiming for. Normalfags don't give a rat's ass about animation in general, only movies and live action series.

>>4173501
Name one GOOD artist

>>4173499
They watch shit based ob hype created by it. If they see a piece hated by everyone, they just skip because there are 2000 other things to watch.

>>4173506
No, fuck you, you'll just call whatever I name shit anyway. Go kill yourself, fagot

>>4173508
Imagine being this much of a pussy

>>4173508

>>4173230
>>4173372
Seethe. You should seethe. Watch it closely and seethe. Be angry, and keep drawing. If this hack made it, you are OBLIGED now to make it. You SHOULD make it and take the place so that there would be one less KronPrinz up there. Now go and draw faggot.

>>4173508
But he's shit!

>>4173517
This is kinda how I feel as well. I can respect staying away from things like tracing, and I just don't think I'd find it fun, but the reality is if all these people really don't think he has any skill then that should be great news for shit artists around the world, including 90% of people here.

>>4173225
I wish he had just fully copied the coat he probably saw on Pinterest, the one he stole from looks cooler.

>>4173517
You know, you really don't have to defend pieces of shit like him to motivate yorself. Popular artists can be terrible people... And terrible artists.

>>4173299
>crabs will ignore this

>>4173517
But that is the thing. No matter how had Anon will work he won't make it because Anon is pure, Anon is just, Anon is honest and Annon does not cheat, therefore anon has no chance. Cheaters will always defeat non cheaters by default because they cheat, and because "it is not cheating if you do not get caught" or "It is not cheating if nobody cares." Anon is destined to be a crab forever.

>>4173544
Not true. Does Kim Jung Gi cheat? Miyazaki? People who cheat will always be too limited to express themselves in any meaningful way.

i did a sketch of the cover really quick how bad i am /ic/ ?

>>4173555
personally I'd lower the eyes but I like it

>>4173555
ngmi

>>4173555
gimme des brushes pls

>>4173225
I don't think it captures the stoic vibe of the major

>>4173553
>Not true. Does Kim Jung Gi cheat? Miyazaki?
They are old, they are already two generations old, from a time that is long past.

>People who cheat will always be too limited to express themselves in any meaningful way.
Expressing yourself does not land you a job, yet apparently having enough twitter followers does.

>>4173572
Keep giving an excuse for artists to cut corners in their art making process until the animation industry is all the same 3dcg crap.

Kim Jung Gi and Miyazaki have passion for art and they worked hard to get to a point where their passion is viewable in their art.
Having the passion but not wanting to put in the work is what gets you those medibang-tier "mangas" where every protagonist is just naruto in a different outfit.

>>4173576
>Having the passion but not wanting to put in the work is what gets you those medibang-tier "mangas" where every protagonist is just naruto in a different outfit.
kek that just rings true. You just put words on a thought I was entertaining for long, anon.

>>4173225
T-posing with a broken leg...

>>4173580
Right?? I see people valuing beginners' passion more than rewarding them for improving, and that's what this attitude gets you. An entire platform of shitty "mangas" from kids.
This is what happens when you put passion over hard work, and devalue hard work because practicing hard is "from a time that is long past".
But I'm going on a tangent here.

>>4173225
This is a fan made machinima short, right? RIGHT?

>>4173395
Generic

Meanwhile in the next video section:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i8Ds2nVVXE
The new GITS trailer pales in comparison.

>>4173576
Miyazaki is my hero and one of the few artists I really respect, and I came to the conclusion that it's simply impossible to do what he does today. Even people who like Nausicaa or Mononoke most of the time don't understand shit about the movies. They just like the designs or some crap. Just look at the "fandom" for ghibli, it's all dumb cosplayers. Ghibli itself lives off Totoro merch to this day. That's why Miyazaki is so bitter, 'cause he's making no impact no matter what.

I don't care about Ilya but i wish they would stop making anime fucking 3d. It was the last bastion of 2d animation and now netflix is moving in and turning it all 3d. STOP

>>4173395
>Someone PLEASE explain to me how the new one looks worse
I don't dislike it, but the changes seem trivial and surface level. Ilya's brand is a face and a post processing effect. His involvement doesn't seem to advance the show's designs or animation style in any substantive or practical way, it's just to attach his name to it. As such, his reputation becomes a fair topic of contention.

>Yes he's been caught tracing/heavily copying in the past, but it was a while ago and he's since apologised
An artist who gets caught tracing or stealing designs and compositions is a lot like an athlete who gets caught doping. He may have only doped in that particular event, or he may have doped in every competition. We can't know, so it throws a cloud of suspicion over his entire career.

An apology isn't restitution, and despite being exposed, his current career was built on those deceptions. Other artists just aren't going to relate to this the same way as the general, uneducated-in-art public.

>>4173635
There's a reason pros like miyazaki get well known around their 40s, they spent decades not just learning to draw but learning how to make an actual tangible good product.
A product that unfortunately fit their time and seems to have little room in the anime industry nowadays. Apart from a couple interesting takes like >>4173634


And not trying to go "those damn kids", but anime's changed a lot, most noticeable in the mid 2000s. It has exited its phase where directors tinkered around trying to figure out what makes a good movie/show, and are now tinkering around looking for what gets the otakus fully addicted to their show.
You know what I'm talking about, "we gotta have the hottest harem, let's bet this isekai light novel and turn into a manga/anime so we can juice money off of the couple thousands that read it once".

But that doesn't mean we should be okay with crap, or with making crap. Sure, if you're a small team of artists or even a single artist, 3d models will save you years. But a netflix-backed anime of an enormous IP? Give me a break, in a time where we have "Lupin III The First" coming out we should've had 3dcg anime figured out by now in mainstream animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpdqSLQ554A

>>4173634
more 3dpd shit. I hate that Japan is going full into 3d now soon there will be literally nobody left that does 2d

>>4173647
>in a time where we have "Lupin III The First" coming out
Oh shit, it actually looks cool. Are japs finally getting their shit together?

>>4173652
>nobody left that does 2d
You can't stop it, anon. Media will evolve eventually

>>4173655
A sub-section of Japan's anime industry finally realized something: "Good CG anime" has to have "good CG".

>>4173415
This. His style never goes past vague details, everything looks simplified and flat. Like everything he draws looks plastic.

>>4173666
Fuckers couldn't make Blame like this. SO MUCH FUCKING SHAME.

>>4173641
I've never felt drained of excitement as fast as in the moment I heard the new GITS production would be 3DCG.
And then they drove it deeper with Ilyusha's sameface Character Design™

>>4173647
Is a Lupin movie necessary? I mean OK I like Lupin and I'm glad they're at least making Lupin instead of moe anime #23423, but it's exactly this situation that I find terrible. It's either super dumb shit or a franchise that already exists, and every time they make something with that franchise it gets a little dumber. Case in point, look at GITS.
Miyazaki himself said that when he dies, Ghibli will fold. Maybe Goro will the wheel but he probably won't because the studio isn't doing that well. The best they can hope for is to become an "art movie" company. And this is all possible because Miyazaki was born in 1941 and worked in better environments and met better people, worked on better projects. Imagine starting to work corporate right now and ending up with a studio like Ghibli. Is that even possible in the West? I was about to mention studios like Laika and I forgot that the entire thing is a passion project by the son of the Nike CEO. They're probably in the negatives.
It's clear that Japan is drifting towards the same corporatism that has enveloped the west completely because this is all that can thrive today. People have simply changed the way they read or watch movies.

>>4173680
virgin PS3 Borderlands port vs chad art direction, dynamic 3d model rigs and cinematography.

>>4173225
>>4173226
you can call it crabbing if you want but i just feel like this style of face doesn't fit major's personality at all

>>4173658
I don't see japan ever absolutely dropping 2d like the US did so fast and unceremoniously in the 90s. The appreciation and art of it is so ingrained in their culture, but that wont stop foreign companies like netflix trying and they'll probably see some success from it. I hate that but you're right theres nothing I can do

>>4173683
I feel like the lupin movie will just be a sort of introduction to the Lupin franchise on an international level wrapped into a new plot, much like the Tintin film adaptation. We get a quick rundown of the characters, veteran fans get a new story, win-win.

It sucks to see 2D animation taking a backseat in the West, there's only like one new 2d film every 2 years, next one is Klaus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taE3PwurhYM

I don't think something like Ghibli will ever appear again, it's just not profitable to make good stories first instead of profitable products.
I bet some people try, but do you hear about them? Not really. It doesn't make money, studios don't pick those films up, passion projects in the West get released as 10-minute shorts on some animation-centered youtube channel for a couple hundred people to see 40 seconds of and lose interest.

>>4173691
>next one is Klaus:
And it looks like shit. I can't say why, but all of it feels cheap and uninspired.

I kinda can understand sculpture dying out, but seeing 2d pass away just hurts.

>>4173691
>passion projects in the West get released as 10-minute shorts on some animation-centered youtube channel for a couple hundred people to see 40 seconds of and lose interest.
I will never understand how is it possible that people are fine with this state of things. I just don't understand how is it possible for people to survive on visual fast food and zero art.
>>4173694
The lead animator is Sergio Pablos, he's a Disney guy. That's what working corporate does to you as an artist.

>>4173701
People want "something different" but they just want the same crap painted in a different color.

>>4173694
Yeah, it's by one of the guys that helped with Treasure Planet. Sad to see an important bit of Disney branch out, shrivel up and die.

>>4173395
/ic/ hates Ilya cause he lives the life they wish they could ( a foreigner making it in Japan drawing anime )

>>4173715
me personally, I just wanna earn 600 dollars a month :(

>>4173701
If that was the case they'd hate bahi JD

>>4173715
Why should I look up to Ilya when Tony Valente's making it with his manga, successful to the point that it has its own anime?
Without known instances of cheating, may I remind you.

>>4173694
Primal by Genndy Tartakovsky is pretty good if you haven't seen it.

>>4173730
I have. Based Genny, god bless his soul.

>>4173303
HAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? he included a helmet, a scarf AND those simple cat ears just to avoid having to organically draw a head? I wonder if /ic/ memed the hell out of this before I started lurking because this is so blatantly hilarious

>>4173735
He made this on some gook live stream, as a part of some friendly competition to draw anime girl in an hour or so.

>>4173723
Meant for>>4173715

>>4173691
>I don't think something like Ghibli will ever appear again
There are some high quality 2d studios coming from France/Europe. I discovered this movie called the Day of the Crows recently and it gave me some Ghibli vibes. I'm surprised how unknown it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BSYIRFk4Dg

>>4173239
yeah it looks generic as hell didn't give the Major any character

>>4173737
So when he's being watched by an audience, on a time limit, and can't trace- oh excuse me, STUDY- a picture, that's what he can do?

>>4173745
Looks like it

>>4173743
That was a pretty good trailer, thanks for that.

>>4173742
>>4173723
Bahi and >>4173729 for example are actually skilled but Ilya is a sameface tracing hack

>>4173555
looks like anime MEW so if that was your intent then good job anon!

>>4173737
I see now. So this was a timed draw-off. Just take a look at the other person's art, Ilya's doesn't even fucking compare and to top it all of he literally hid half of the head to save him from having to draw it. This fits into what I've been hearing about this guy lately, that he can only function from references and tracing.

>>4173755
drawing everything off the top of your head means nothing unless you are pretending to teach. And people are starting to wake up to the fact there is no practical difference between a drawing that's traced and one that is drawn from your head. So really what's the point in skill? And it's not like people will appreciate your imperfect "soulful" art, so what' the point in that? Just make fast food.

>>4173303
Why can all of Ilya's art be described with one single drawing? Over and over again, the sameface, mopped up with effects corporate looking repetitiveness. It's like, once you've seen one Ilya drawing, you've seen them all. The charm is instantly blown afterwards. I've never looked for more than .013455 microseconds at an Ilya drawing because my brain instinctively knows that there's nothing interesting or new to look at. Doesn't make sense why every zoomer wants to make it their twitch icon. Are they stunned by the pretty lighting effects? The cute quirky referenced poses? The same neutral-look, eyes-to-the-side pose every single picture?

>>4173715
But I love Da Hootch

>>4173759
> there is no practical difference between a drawing that's traced and one that is drawn from your head.
I'm sure there is somewhere though, anon. Maybe not hand-drawn animations anymore since anime is now done digitally. But is it really possible to totally mimic quality art and expressive faces on original characters organically drawn on a paper, simply by tracing an already pre-drawn photo, surely the difficulty/time constraint of finding useful references/things to trace might hinder the process enough to make an argument that drawing from your head is better in some situations.

>>4173225
>>4173226
dont care about ilya but holy shit that 3dcg shit is trash

>>4173770
I was talking about illustration rather than animation, which has its own problems (covered by 3D).
Yes there is a difference when you do it from your head. On the other hand, there is no difference in people's own heads. Nobody cares about how poignant your character's expression is as long as the character looks appealing, and you can literally draw shit from stock when you need to.
Just look at Disney movies, they're all the same. When a character sighs, they all sigh the same way, big arc up and slow down then release, very nice, very fluid, all the same. They have enough material to work from the animation done up to this point that covers all possible situations, why bother creating new stuff? After all the subject matter is getting dumber and dumber to meet people's expectations, so all the expressions possible are reduced to a bunch of nicely readable emojis.
Soon you will probably be able to tell a computer to make a sigh animation and it will shit out a render of the generic big-nosed Ratatouille MC doing exactly that.
Really what is the point of making something thoughtful when people's only reaction to it will be "CUTE! CUTE!!!"? At least from a commercial standpoint it's horribly inefficient.

>>4173558
yeah i tend to do that since i used to draw milfs
>>4173559
yeah like everybody we are doomed
>>4173565
how did you know that i'm french ?
>>4173752
anime mew ? the pokemon ?

>>4173781
Mary Elizabeth Winstead

>>4173460
It’s very cute with it’s androgynous agendered boygirls

>>4173226
the art style really reminds me of the digitized segments of Code Lyoko and I'm not sure whether I love or hate that

>>4173225
At first glance i thought she was standing up until i noticed the thigh

At second glance i noticed that both hands are intentionally hidden

At third glance i noticed that sleeves look poorly rendered

Wtf this can't be official

>>4173499
>normie people
Sci Fi never does well with normies.

>>4173504
>Normalfags
The Live Action was such a soulless shitshow that even they could not pretend to like it.
The regular sjws who would have shilled it because of "strong female character" shat on it for whitewashing (even though her shell is western)

>>4173395
>Old design
Looks like a girl in Police/SWAT unit ready for work.

>New Design
Swimsuit with a leather jacket and generic animu haircut.
Looks like she rides an electric Scooter to the gym.

>>4173325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2soHxEN79c
All that money and the movie studio couldn't by an soul.

>>4173470
You can learn Japanese.

>>4173919
Check this post out. He literally just copied an already existing poster while moving her arms a little and hiding her hands. It looks decent on the offset but it is actually hilarious if you sit down and spend some time analyzing it. Shows just how much of a fucking hack he is.

>>4174052
>check this post out
Was referring to >>4173312

>>4173685

It really doesn't, this was my first impression too. A krass disconnect between her voice and face, and no relationship to the original character.

In other words, it's garbage. It's an insult to the original vision.

>>4173225
>>4173226
Oh well. At least it's 3D shit so nothing's ruined

>too realistic for cartoon elements to look good
>too cartoonish for realistic elements to look good

why can't cg artists ever decided to just fully tip to one end of the fucking spectrum and embrace the possibilities of the medium, this awkward middleground is boring and pathetic

>>4173225
I've never understood the ilya hate but this looks like trash. I wish Hollywood would stop raping IPs for cash. What's next, Netflix live action Akira?

>>4174078
just admit you're coping because you can't render like him

>>4174090
just admit you're baiting because none can be this retarded

I will not lie. When I saw the first key image I thought they hired him just for that, key imagery. I thought they would never actually try and hire a person who is infamous for how rigid, samey and lifeless his character designs are to do actual character designs.
And they did. And it looks as fucking bad as one would imagine.
You can't even say that it's CG's fault because literally 90% of all comments under that trailer in Japanese are either DIRECTLY shitting on his work as a designer or being happy for the fact that the old VA is back...while still shitting on his design and saying that it does not fit her at all.

I am so used to seeing an army of shills and retards jumping out with half-assed defense whenever anyone dares to criticize him. It is very reassuring to see general crowd of people actually understanding and accepting why he is hated so much in some smaller circles but it's also kind of shocking. Like, I would never expect from the internet to be as reasonably critical as it is towards this garbage trailer and Ilya's involvement with it.

>>4173225
DELET THIS TRAVESTY

ANOTHER ARISE

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

boomerposting but i'm glad i grew up when 2D was in its apogee.

>>4173442
god bless Masamune-san

>>4174142
Yea. Good 2d movies are still being released but I wonder if we'll ever see another Akira or GitS .

>>4174149
I'd argue Redline is on the same level as far as animation goes.

>>4174146
who's the absolute qt pie on the top right?

>>4174146
He is so cool. He created one of my favorite franchises ever, became rich and then retired to draw what he enjoys the most. Niggers fucking oily girls. I may not share his fetishes but he is a true artist. Both successful through original content (unlike 90% of modern artists who just leech off existing franchises to get big) and completely unapologetic in drawing what he personally loves to draw.

It hurts me to even think about the fact that I will never amount to 1/10th of what he is. And I am not even speaking about popularity.

>>4174149
the impressive productions with massive budgets were a product of Japan's booming economy during that era. You won't see animation masterpieces like Royal Space Force being made nowadays because there's no economic incentive to make more of them right now.

>>4174150
works like Redline are modern outliers and I wouldn't complain one bit if we got more of them.

>>4174172
Yeah I have a great deal of respect for him as well, and as a lover of oily girls and cyberpunk, Shirow-san is exceptionally good at drawing them, their bodies are also lithe/slender and not ridiculously thicc and meme tier

>>4174197
Also love his classic face and hair styles, one of my favorite artists of all time desu

>>4173225
>>4174197
>>4174203

>>4173225
Even ScarJo was better than this garbo

>>4174146
I really like how he keeps tweaking his anatomy and style even now
They guy never stops painting and improving

>>4174204
this

>>4174172
I'd be glad if I get enough time to draw what I love without worrying. I'd take being 1/100th him with grace.

>>4174204
Good
Now slap a Manga Materials watermark on it.

>>4174234
Who the fuck even forced me to bring this sentimental shit up. It genuinely fucking hurts and I don't want it to ever stop.

>>4173313
>2ch
>being relevant
What year is this? The chans are no longer popular in nipland. Fucking /ic/ gets more traffic.

i guess im not the only fag in the world who screams that a series of movies or tv shows are permanently ruined because they're doing something else i don't like. i guess it take balls to just deal with it and ignore.

>>4174494
we're all fags here anon

>>4174494
If anything, remakes (bad or good) get me to revisit the original with greater appreciation.

>>4174487
What's popular for discussion over there, then? It can't all be twitter

>>4174494
Kill yourself you unironic retard

>>4173730
>Primal by Genndy Tartakovsky
after samurai jack, that's a pass for me

>>4173312
from absolute badass to an absolute whore, ilya you fucking stupid. You literally killed the idea of major, a sexy badass woman.

>>4174053
can't unsee. i hope he didn't intentionally do that.

>>4173715
if this were true, why don't bahijd and thomas romain or michael arias recieve any hate?

>>4174204
Fixed. Fuck off to the 80s, grandpa.

>>4174172
>Niggers fucking oily girls
please don't tell me hes cuck pilled.

>>4174992
You don't have to be a cuck to like this kind of porn. With that in mind, it's not like I know him personally so he might as well be.

>>4173448
>anime
>paid big money

>>4174083
PLEASE NO, I AM NOW SURE IT'S NEXT.

>>4174977
execute thyself, fiend

>>4173226

What design. Talk about standing on the shoulders of giants.

>>4173685
The style is naruto rip off with sprinkles on top.

>>4174101
The cynical part of me thinks that the reason anyone hires him is based on a formula of how many posts he'd make about it, times the number of followers he has across social media. In other words, he's part of the marketing budget.

>>4175145
You don't have to be cynical to assume that. It's a fucking fact. I don't think that even the most insane dick riders of his would try to deny that.

>>4173555
Unironically like the perspective you drew her in more. then Ilyas

>>4175167
What perspective? Everything on that russian retard's pic exists on a flat plane. Things overlap each other but virtually nothing looks foreshortened.

>>4173225
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0knKnDuRYFb

>>4173299
Holy fuck this guy's right

>>4175024
>You don't have to be a cuck to like this kind of porn
i know but you can tell by what they draw. after having a look he doesn't seem cuck pilled.

>>4175304

>>4173763
This kind of stuff used to make me upset. I thought it was out of a sense of justice: why does this hack have 300k followers while it's immensely hard to get attention with things that aren't lowest common denominator? There's a sense of inferiority when you think like this. Thinking about "that other artist I like" is an excuse, you're really thinking about yourself. Why don't they like MY kind of stuff instead? Stupid normies, it's not like I wanted your approval! That's it, you just feel inferior. You really are a seething crab after all.

You know what? The normies can have this. Right now I wish they gave more money to Sakimichan and this guy, the porn dudes and the trendhoppers, I hope these artists all succeed beyond expectation. I want normies to get so deep into this there will be nothing else left. I want Sakimichan in museums. They will eventually get sick of it. Not today, not in one year, but at some point during my lifetime they will look inside themselves, and see a giant gaping hole. And when they will beg for something different I'll say well, I do have a lot of art I made in these years but it's all mine. Because you didn't care for it, I won't share it now. I'd rather burn it. You never gave a shit and went after this guy instead letting everyone with a bit of passion work a day job, now eat your hearts out. Oh, I can't wait to hear about the sour grapes. My grapes are the sourest.

>>4175630
When they grow sick of Sakimichan, they'll just find another hack, they won't come for you. I mean, assuming your stuff is even that good.

>>4175630
I mean, Shirow is one of the "other" artists I love and presumably identify with (I don't) and he's a fucking millionaire and owns one of the biggest Japanese anime franchises ever. I definitely know what a sense of pain inducing and soul crushing inferiority feels like and it's hard to feel it towards a person that you know for a sure is a hack.
Accelerationism will never make the world a better place. That russian bitch has cheated his way to the position he does not deserve and now he reaps what he sowed by the fact that more and more people keep finding out about his scumbaggery and hating him for personally through own incompetence ruining a franchise beloved by millions. I have never seen people being as receptive to others calling him out for his bullshit as they have been in last couple of days. If anything it all proves the opposite of what you are trying to preach.

>>4175669
Well Shirow doesn't draw anything but porn right now so I don't have much respect for him.
>and now he reaps what he sowed
You don't know anything to back that up. This is the second project he's worked on, which means hiring him the first time was a good move. Maybe the Japanese don't even care about GITS and this is aimed at western weeaboo zoomers who first heard of it from the scarjo movie. Maybe he's keeping the thing alive with his following alone. You don't realize what kind of a massive pull an Instagram influencer has, they are literally replacing traditional advertising. Just because you don't like Instathots that doesn't make them not successful at being influencers, and this guy is the art equivalent of an Instathot. Watch as he gets hired again and again.

>>4175686
>This is the second project he's worked on, which means hiring him the first time was a good move
Except the first one flopped completely.

>>4175686
>You don't know anything to back that up.
I can read both english and japanese. Virtually every discussion about this is filled with people shitting on his work as a designer. Even more so among japanese audience despite the fact that they are not even aware of his plagiarism history. Ultimately, I don't even care if it will be massively successful even though absolutely everything is pointing at the opposite. Just knowing that anyone who understands anything about anime and actively influences it as a medium already hates it is telling more than enough to me. If that dude is content on living in a bubble made up of retarded instagram thots and shit tier production studios showering him with praise for his numbers alone then so be it.

>>4175686
>Maybe the Japanese don't even care about GITS and this is aimed at western weeaboo zoomers
Why would it be aimed at western zoomers when they intentionally rehired the original VA of the Major and posted the trailer on a Japanese twitter account? If you could understand any of the comments on twitter or YouTube the majority of Japanese comments are
>low quality CG with no proper physics
>the obnoxious noice after the Major says it’s nice and quiet
>the Major’s body looking way too young unless it’s a prequel (it’s not)
>multiple comments about being happy Motoko’s seiyuu is back, but not happy about the art style ad CG

>>4175695
>>4175736
>>4175908
The companies doing this have more hard data to back up their decisions than any of the "fans" (how many manga do you own in print? you do not only read scanlations on the internet, right?). If they're using shitty CGI and hiring this guy as a marketing stunt it's probably the most economically feasible way of going about this franchise. Because as much as everyone pretends they like quality, nobody actually buys it. That's just a fact. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter if you don't buy it. Maybe all the people shitting on it have proven they're not willing to pay.
What says that if this flops, it wouldn't have flopped just as hard as a better movie, except for 10x the loss?

>>4175649
>I mean, assuming your stuff is even that good.
Yeah it's probably not worth looking at. Only sour grapes grow in my garden.

>>4176246
>The companies doing this have more hard data to back up their decisions than any of the "fans"
Oh, yes. The infamous "companies never produce trash that flops both critically and financially because they are companies and therefore know better" argument.

You should also consider that Netflix is it's own beast. It is extremely likely that this movie was never expected to sell well or anything like that and is nothing but an attempt to profit off Netflix that is ready to throw money at absolutely anything.

>>4175304

>>4175304

>>4173312
Would it kill him to actually render out the jacket for the main promo image?

>>4176399
It would be extremely painful

>>4174204
based and soulpilled

>>4173225

>>4176246
>What says that if this flops, it wouldn't have flopped just as hard as a better movie, except for 10x the loss?
Yeah but companies are also not stupid, if they know their audience that well then they would not have greenlit the whole project to begin with. And if they truly are just using the whole thing as a publicity stunt to "test the waters" about their fanbase then they are spending seriously a lot of money on a move that could have been achieved way cheaper.

>>4176851
You made it worse with the exception of the leg positioning and even with that you didn't change the tilt of the hips at all.

>>4176851
If your objective was to portray a punchable face you nailed it.

>>4176851
I mean, your face is better, has more personality, etc. But that smug ass Dreamworks smile is the last emotion you would ever expect from Motoko. So it's better on the technical level but possibly even worse as a concept.

>>4176875
>I mean
Stop fucking saying that in the begging of each fucking sentence.

>>4176851
You made her a feminist

>>4176876
I ctrl+F'ed it and only one another instance in this thread belonged to me. I mean, it IS a pretty common way to start a sentence.

>>4176851
I don't think the changes need to be that drastic. I think just some alterations to the proportions would make it look a little more like the original. Maybe smaller eyes and a longer chin.

>>4176924
The design I love has a more mature face. She's got a stronger chin and her face is wider, she looks like a woman, not a 16 yo. You can't save this design no matter how much you work on it.
I don't understand why everyone loves "stronk women" but they hate women that look grown up.

>>4176851
Funny cute smug face.

>>4176974
Nobody likes to look at used up old hags anon. They are gross.

>>4173225
I'm gonna pull an unpopular opinion here but I think Illya's 3d is pretty good in general. Maybe its because 3dcg is more 'stiff' and it fits his uninspired style the most, but he should straight up drop 2d and do 3d only.
He's a crap 2d artist because the studies he does of animu screenshot sucks all of the soul and expression it originally had. You can see it noticeably in the gestures >>4173400
>>4173684
He should work on game animation since the game industry is especially focused on efficiency more than movies, so the stiffness can look the most natural in this case.


but I'm not a fan of normieflix using old school IPs that everyone and their mother knows, and making 3d adaptations that casualfags and gamergirl whores eat up like they're hot shit. and I hope they don't fall for the jew pit for quick cash.
at least manga will be 'just enough profit' that allows a free market where anyone can do their own niche; anime is doomed because normalfags are too ADD to read.

>>4174977
pre 2010's anime/manga art had a carefree and confident style. its not sexy or fappable compared to the style you have now, but that's fine since humans aren't built to have to lubricate their dicks 24/7 or else they can't breath or some shit.

>>4173225
>>4173226
Call me a faggot, but I'm actually kinda like the PS1/PS2 aesthetic since I'm a huge PlayStation fag.
On the other hand, this level of quality for a show in 2019 is fucking inexcusable, specially for a series such as Ghost in the Shell.

>>4173225
is the title a reference to this or what?

>>4173299
this shit should be on the sticky
i thought it was only /ic/, but it seems all beginners have the same retarded virgin ideas about "cheating"

>>4177005
He has never done 3d or animation in his life. Do you really think a faggot who, after 10+ years, was unable to spend a week practicing drawing different emotions would just switch like this? He's a meat camera with a portfolio of one cute face and he will keep showing this shit down everyone's throat in every piece of work he will be involved in until the end of the days.

>>4177088
based

>>4177005
Wait Illya does 3D now?

>>4177043
You know people said the same about the STAR WARS Clone Wars series and it turned out pretty well after the abysmal quality of the first season.

>>4176851

>>4177344
kinda better but you can't fix something so fundamentally shit

>>4173225
I like how everyone likes to blame Illya for how shitty it looks. All Illya did was the concept art for the movie. I'm pretty sure he had no say in the voice acting or it being entirely CG.

>>4177365
Both Ilya's awful sameface designs and the PS2 tier CG are shit really

>>4173225
that leg is bothering a lot and i dont know why

>>4177399
She is basically doing a split and still acting like she is chilling in a sofa. Nobody would ever pose like that.

If she was really half out of the cockpit, she would have a more hunched forward pose with the hips shooting up. But kushinov can't do gestures or poses.

There were this GITS game that's dead now. It has nice designs based on SAC. It's almost like they want this one to suck as much as Arise, or even worse.

>>4177365
It literally says that he did character designs in the trailer and voice acting is the only good thing shown in it, you dick-riding, instagram-browsing, russian cock-sucking retarded piece of shit.

>>4177469
>>4177471
>throwaway shovelware cash-in title having better artists than brand new entry in the series

>>4173225

It's sad that the majority of fan art for gits now uses that jewish bitches face so this is a step up.

>mfw

>>4177088
Someone should tweet this to ilya, based anon blessed us with ahegao shitpost

remember when Irya tried making a comic

>>4177799
I never read his manga but judging from that page it's clearly that he doesn't have any knowledge about composition, pacing and paneling

I bet the writing probably much worse

>>4178095
Its not a iriya thing, but a instagram to comic thing. They get so used to instagram "OC with no background" style they completely fall apart in comic form. They have no compostion and no perspective so you get talking head comics

>>4178103
There are tons of absolutely terrific mangas that have almost nothing but talking heads. If you actually bother trying to read Ilya's trash, you'd find out that he has the writing ability of a 2000s 13-year-old who has just discovered fanfiction.net

>>4178095
>I bet the writing probably much worse
You have no idea

>>4178165
atomic cringe

>>4173225
>>4177799
i don't get it
first, /ic/ criticizes him for never getting out of his comfort zone
then, he does manga or character design, and /ic/ criticizes him for trying something different
why don't you admit it's just a personal vendetta?

>>4178246
/ic/ didn't criticize him for not getting out of his comfort zone, /ic/ shat on him for being a smarmy tracing cunt appealing who wormed his way to success by appealing to the lowest common denominator. And regardless of that do you really call that manga and the "character designs" we saw getting out of his comfort zone? For both he just did the same exact thing he usually does. Look at Motoko's face, look at the backgrounds for his manga, it's so lazy.

>>4173517
>>4173522
Here's an unpopular opinion but also truth
>Tracing isn't bad
>IF you're doing it to learn anatomy, eye/hand cordination
>Making money out of it it's what make tracing bad
You gotta be clear why Ilya is a hack, newfags and Begs will think tracing is always a nono when it's actually useful, just as some of /ic/ retards condemn using reference when only geniuses don't need them.

>>4179320
That goes without saying anon. You can even sell traced shit granted you don't steal the pictures you traced from, who cares if that's the case.

>>4178246
It's almost as if getting out of comfort zone involves actually studying new medium first instead of, very obviously, just shitting out an effortless piece of shit under the assumption that you are some sort of epic hot shit who can just do it and be good at it.

>>4177799
Yea

>that fucking exclamation mark

>>4179564
It also featured this classic kr0n character design

>>4173299
wow ridiculously based. But I still think tracing other people's art is only ok for learning, you shouldn't release that as your own work.

>>4179320
I agree.
I think the best use of tracing is learning how to use line width and curves, though I don't do it personally.

>>4177088
Fucking based

Does anybody have a link to the terribad manga he put out 4 years ago? Can't seem to find it live anywhere.

>Ohio nice to meet you Irya -kun! Today we are finarry starting out with keyframes for our new grorious cute girrr anime. First shot is an extreme row angre focusing on girr's butt as she runs rate to school.
>*Ilya draws a portrait of a girl staring blankly into the camera while holding a piece of bread in her hand*
>Nonono, Irya-kun, shimatta! What arr you doing? Give us more emotion, more movement!
>*girl's face is now looking 15 degrees to the left, her mouth is slightly opened, the bread is now blurred so hard it looks like a piece of cardboard *
>WHATTHE FUCK IS THIS KUSO, IRYA-KUN? Where is your russian Shishkin, where is Repin?! SHOW US THEIR GRORIOUS LEGACY!
>*Ilya is now sweating profusely, his eyes racing around the room in attempts to find at least one manga cover to copy from while "sukablyat" is echoing trough his skull like a gong*
>*a wet stain appears on Irya's brand new uniqlo pants*
>*he starts shaking*
>*whole studio stares at him in awe and fear as his body shakes so hard it separates into green and red*
>*the Third Impact is finally upon us*

>>4182423
I only know of this link.
https://mega.nz/#F!L4hUXKZC!Bs79kWquVzXpK2sWHt4Czw
If anyone hasn't read this already please do yourself a service and do it, shit's hilarious.

>>4182438
Cheers chuck.

>>4173225
Am I retarded or is her leg supremely fucked up? It looks totally disconnected from her body, like she's holding a false leg or something. Can somebody redline this shit.

>>4173247
make it has a double meaning

for us it means to become professional, a fine blend of talent and skills learned through perseverance and determination


money doesnt matter
real art has no price

ilya sucks ass
just like all the jap twinks
when real men will rise , real art will rise too
we will be unstoppable

Never heard of this guy before. Googled. Found his artstation. He's redrawing the same dollfaced anise girl over and over again. That's just boring.

>>4173417
I use to do pics like his when I was 20 trying to get the hang of photoshop CS6, it's not even hard which is why he does it.

>>4183182
>money doesnt matter
yes it does you stupid fuck

>>4173400
I guess this is an unpopular opinion but l. I personally always thought these were studies being passed for fanart. In some of the comparison images it doesn’t even line up, which makes it seem like he was more trying to replicate the image. Essentially I think it was a “redraw this screenshot” type deal. I even know that people say redrawing screen shots can help you get better at composition

>>4185856
Eat a dick poorfag

>>4173225
tfw it looks like shit, but it's still better than almost anything anyone on this board could ever do

>>4173448
>Thus in the eyes of /ic/ Ilya does not deserve his outrageous level success because the only thing he is good at it is drawing generic waifu faces from references with just one simnle expression using filters and chromatic aberration to blur and hide details. The full range of his art abilities is questionable at best and there are many many better qualified yet unrecognized artists out there with much better skills who would probably do a better job at the tasks that Ilya has been hired to do.

This, I've strongly disliked Ilya for the same reason I dislike Sakimichan. Below professional skill but shilled beyond eternity because of generic appeal. Ilya struggles to draw anything besides busts (from what I remember, his full body drawings had visible composition and dynamism issues) and Sakimichan, well it's clear why. The design for GITS is visibly not on a professional level which confirms it.

>>4173225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejohytpIrEM
Ross Draws and Jetty weigh in by kissing Illya's ass.

>>4173312
>>4173327
SAC is fantastic.

>>4186834
It's even better when you take a step back and realize that the show is presented from the perspective of the typical villains of a cyberpunk story; instead of the secret paramilitary kill squad being the faceless goons that hound the protagonists, they ARE the protagonists.

You also appreciate individual episodes to different degrees depending on where you are in your life; the first time I watched as a teenager I thought that Night Cruise was just boring and kind of a wasted episode but when I re-watched it years later it hit me like a ton of bricks and now I consider it one of the best of either season as a viewer and an advanced and successful excercise in world-building as a sometime writer.

>>4174204
did she get hit by a mallet or something?

>>4173225
are the brushstokes on her jacket and hair even real? does he seriously not give any fucks?

>>4173312
why is the major smiling....

>>4173524
lol meme artists sure are small minded.

>>4173684
can't wait to see that lupin film.

>>4177344
you need to have her brows look more serious

>>4187849
she cracked a fart