/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4151071
theres no middle path, dedicate yourself to art, drink your piss and eat your shit so you dont have to cook and focus on drawing.

I really wish I had some art friends but I don't. I have lots of friends but none of them really understand why I'm drawing orcs and superheroes in my underpants 24/7 instead of working in retail or some shit. My GF has been in the advertisement industry for 5 years and she "gets it" but I wish I had more friends who are more into the type of stuff I'm doing.

I really hate what this shit is doing to me. Oh, and I fucking hate Ben Shapiro. What a huge piece of shit, fake intellectual fuckboy...

>>4151122
I know it's a joke but is it also true? If so, is that the right choice. I know I'm always going to want to draw so I can't give up on it entirely ever, that said I don't know if I'm ready to give up having friends.
>>4151128
I'm also not a fan of Shaprio or what's he's done to discourse. Sorry, you haven't been able to find people who relate to your interest. I don't know what part of the world you're in but there must be some people nearby who are into drawing aswell.

>>4151071
>haven't had a friend in 10 years
at this point it feels like the only chance i have is to get rich enough with art to subsidize a qt neet bf who plays vidyas and maybe cooks sometimes but really is just there to hug me when i'm sad.

>>4151134

Yeah. (>>4151128) I'm from northern Europe. I actually go to the meetups for digital art people but those usually turn into sessions that go like this:

- People who are already in the local industry talk among themselves.

- Newbs try to show off their portfolios but nobody cares.

- Mediocre people show off their sketchbooks to newbs and draw. The newbs tell them how good they are. Mediocre guys are like "I dunno :-PPP, I wish I had a job", wishing the guys who have jobs would 'accidentally' hear what they just said. Again, nobody really cares.

- People get drunk and the people who work start complaining about work.

- I get along with everybody but I don't ever feel like I 'really' want to get to know anybody better. They're all my friends on Facebook but I only contact them for information on how much I should charge for some shit and vice-versa.

I'm not a typical "art guy". I'm not introverted and I'm not super existential about what I do, even though I'm really interested in being a pseudointellectual motherfucker on other subjects. Most of my friends work in the restaurant industry and other shit like that. At least I friends. Mehh...

>post work asking for feedback/advice
>>get completely ignored
>tell people that they can be as brutally honest as possible; don't hold back
>still ignored or just get vague unhelpful "crits" such as, "I don't like the eyes" or "keep practicing"

Good god fuck this place.

>>4151970
Post it here, I’ll give you some feedback

>>4151071
My wacom pen wire can also double as a phone charger so I lent it to my friend. They haven't returned it so Im going to have to go trad for one day.

>>4151149
>I actually go to the meetups for digital art people but those usually turn into sessions that go like this:

>- People who are already in the local industry talk among themselves.
THIS!

Dude these industry meetups basically all that is about the elite having a day off to circlejerk each other, this is basically true for all fields. The rest of "the plebs" are only there to bring in the money they need for the meet up nothing else. You are clearly wasting your time.

>>4152311
All about confidence man - talk for the job you want people to think you have.

If you have the social skills needed to walk around and talk like an industry guy then buy the time they ask something that outs you as a /beg/ they've already treated you with some respect and will be likely to continue doing so.

>>4151128
i don't have any friends and where i live there is school for drawing or something like that
what do i do?

>>4151970
>give lengthy legitimate critique
>get ignored or called an asshole

yeah, fuck that

>>4151970
>>4152606

Most people grow to be shitty or stupid. We dwell in 4chan, which exponentially increases the chances of dealing with shitty and stupid people. So your gonna get people who give shit crit. You're gonna get be people being shitty to your crit. But if you really care about
about the crit, you're gonna keep asking, you're gonna keep giving.

Never give up

>almost two months ago I break up with my fiance of 4 years after he confesses he's been cheating on me for the last 2 years.
>have piles of art of his and our characters from stories we made up or from his favorite video games
What should I do with these things? I honestly want to trash them with the rest of the things I got rid of. I'm not a master artist or anything, but I know that saving old art is important. But! Seeing or even thinking of the characters makes me so angry, among other feelings.
Any advice /ic/?
Keep? Trash? Burn? Give away? fuck

>>4151970
>i don't like the eyes
nothing critiques like this are actually really useful anon, b/c this is about what you can expect from clients a lot of the time. most people are not gonna be knowledgeable enough or even willing to act like an art director for you, but they can tell you their gut reaction, vague as it may be. it's part of your job to learn how to decipher that.

if you have anything in particular you want a crit for right now, pyw and i'll do my best.
>>4151128
it is frustrating but i also think it keeps you grounded to talk to normalfags and realize how much of the stuff you obsess over really doesn't matter irl
>>4152701
sorry to hear about that anon, being lied to like that really hurts. put them away somewhere that you don't have to think about them for a while, maybe a long time. at some point, the anger will go away but you'll still have something to remember from the good times.

>>4152599
Have you tried meeting people at the school?

>>4152599
>there is no school for drawing
fix'd
heh

>>4152267
kys

>>4151071
I'd say that art-buddies who are sane are slightly difficult to come by. However, it can be good to have acquaintances to keep you motivated. I've been pushed out of procrastination before by art colleagues letting me know I'm slacking.
As for a art/life balance, try your best to schedule AND get proper sleep, otherwise you're going to be too stuffed at the end of the day to get anything done. However don't fool yourself into thinking that going onto social media or playing video games is anything other than procrastination, that's not proper rest.

>>4154993
>AND get proper sleep

>go sleep at 11pm
>wake up 12 fucking hours later or something
>feel like shit
When I do wake up early, I end up going back to sleep like a lazy faggot. How do I break this curse anons.

>>4155002
You're going to need to adjust your circadian rhythm.
Setting your alarm and putting it on the opposite side of the room so you have to get up and walk over to turn it off helps. Also set multiple alarms so you're not able to fall back into a deep sleep.
Start drawing early in the day so you can have a warm up period and get proper art done in the afternoon (assuming your time is free).
Repeat daily, weekends inclusive. No naps longer than an hour or it'll muck your progress up.

>>4151149

funny i was considering doing an NYC /ic/ meetup sometime.

>>4151147
are you fit?
asking for a fren.

>>4155472
im a skinny twink lol

>>4155866
are you 5'4 or shorter and would you look good in a schoolgirl uniform

I'm all alone in my apartment and it's thunderstorming and I'm scared of the loudness. :' (
On a happier note, I'm enjoying drawing things this week. My studies are paying off too.

>>4155947
that sounds cozy as fuck

>>4155938
6' and maybe
>>4155947
>I'm enjoying drawing
it's a great feeling

>>4151128
>it's another episode of BOOHOO I'M SUCH A LONELY FRIENDLESS PERSON, BUT <<MY GIRLFRIEND....>>
At least this time around it's a guy, I'm sick and tired of girls with boyfriends pretending they don't have any social life.

>>4156265

Are you 14? Having a girlfriend doesn't mean your social life is satisfying. I don't hang around with my GF 24/7. That would be an extremely unhealthy relationship and I wouldn't want that. Nobody should. I also said that I have lots of friends but I was talking about knowing other artists in particular.

>I'm sick and tired of girls with boyfriends pretending they don't have any social life.

The fuck is wrong with you? You think that when you get a GF and you just sit around stroking her hair 24/7 for 10 years? You just hold hands and walk in the park every day and that's it? Life is not a fucking comic strip. Being in a relationship and not having a fulfilling social life sounds like a completely legit problem a girl might also have.

It's actually a huge problem for a lot of my friends who are getting older. You don't see your friends as often as you used to because of work/family/whatever and the social structures you've built in your youth start deteriorating. You'll see when you finally start getting your big boy hair on your pee-pee.

>>4156397
Wow, such an adult! Shut the fuck up, I'm almost 30 and I used to have friends and girlfriends, opted out of maintaining a social life because it's too much trouble, I'm a sperg and I don't get depressed easily.

I just find it annoying when people pretend they're "completely lonely" or "I have zero social skills", only to reveal they are in a relationship 20 seconds later. Happens all the time, these people have no idea what it is to be truly friendless. It's like some middle class person crying about how he's so poor he's practically starving and then you find out they're complaining about it from their iPhone at their plane trip to Europe.

Granted, I overlooked the part where you said you do have friends, just not art friends. That's fair enough.
I for one would definitely use my art girlfriend as an art friend to at least collab with, but for the more serious, pessimistic stuff you should have a separate person to confide in. Preferably a dude.

Nice picture of Marshall, btw.

>>4156695

Np. It does look like Marshal Vandruff! Anyways, I think you might want to practice some empathy when you're listening to people talk about their problems or just stay away from the discourse altogether if it makes you uncomfortable. By your logic, nobody should be able to ever complain about anything. There's always somebody who has it worse in some way. I know some people might be slightly hyperbolic when they talk about their shyness or loneliness but you don't really know how they feel about their situation and you shouldn't assume that you do.

Shouldn't you, of all people, know that it's possible to be in a relationship even though you're a "sperg"? You said you've had girlfriends in the past and I already went into the subject of being lonely in a relationship.

But yeah, that's just my take on the issue. I need to go do art things now.

>>4151071
This (I) unironically a autistic fag have better social life than by the looks of it. I work 8 hours a day as a designer for a shitty company doing worthless ''graphic design'' I don't have a lot of time, and what I have I invest in my personal project and draw weeb shit. but still I manage to have a ''social life'' even if I don't care about it that much, being autistic and all that. I feel like even my coworkers feels sorry for me, they invite me to go out time to time but i just say i don't have free time and i need to draw.

But i have few art friends, and they help a lot, keeping you in check and time to time drawing toghether either virtually by discord or in person. You make art friends by going to artschool or art workshops, dunno how is in 'murica, but here is pretty cheap. And I usually make stands in random comic or weeb conventions. you meet other artist there, by interchanging business card or meeting people that come to your stand. Want it or not, networking helps a lot if you want to become a succesfull artist.

Other thing I do is make some projects with other random artist. I like to make antology fanzines every year, you meet incredible artist in this way, interchanging experience and what not and making something cool to show in conventions and stands.

So, yeah, meeting other artist can help you, but most importantly, the open you views and give you diferent perspective about art. I wouldn't improved without them and I would be still doing shitty loli weeb art.

>>4151071
>I want to draw
>but I don't know what to draw
>spend 3-4 hours doing something else, instead of percolating I'm feeling anxiety about procrastinating, then feeling anxiety about how I shouldn't be feeling anxiety about drawing
>pick something to draw
>too scared to draw so I waste 3-4 more hours doing something else
>it's like 10 or 11pm
>decide to draw
>draw for 3 hours until my eyes and wrist hurt
>go to bed
>don't even do this every day, only on the ones I can muster the courage to draw, like once every other week

this is good, right?

>>4151071
>How do you navigate the healthiest way to spend your time and energy when trying to improve your artistic abilities is a goal but you're not sure if you want to destroy other parts of your life?
True gains require true sacrifice. It takes several hours *a day* of studying for anything to feel like it 'clicks', and even after that it'll take weeks for you to see substantial change. Constantly fussing over when you're gonna get "good" will just stifle your creative voice.
To make it through all that, you have to abandon the ambitions and pressure of "getting big" or "making it" and genuinely enjoy studying and practicing day in and day out. You should know by now that such rigor is incompatible with social normalcy. If you can find it in you to stop giving a fuck about 'making it', truly enjoy the process of grinding, and take it slow, the rest will slowly sort itself out.