/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4137953
12 dollars for a profile pic. 30 dollars for a full piece.
I do this to make other commissioners feel bad.

>>4137967
Interesting tactic, how is this supposed to make others feel bad?

I charge 50 greens pero character un full color, I think I may rise the pricing in the future if my work quality increases, the goal is get at 100 pero character for flat colors, and 200 per painted, minimum wage here is 450 dollars month, I live with 270 so, not impossible.
Not american btw.

Who is that artist btw? His stuff on OP pic looks comfy and I like it.

I don't have a price. I ask them what they'll pay and if its not enough I say no then sometimes they come back with a higher price but most of the time dont. I don't need commissions to survive and I don't enjoy doing them

Still in progress, but may I have a price check on this render? Thank you very much in advance!

>>4137975
Got any other examples of your work/blog? If pic related is yours it's really good.

>>4137982
That is at least worth 200, without the background, the bg is pretty crappy though but the Main figure has a good level, 200-250 id say.

>>4137972
There’s no way of directly knowing but seeing someone charge 30 while you charge 50+ is designed to guilt trip.

>>4137983
Pic related is not me, but is the goal to achieve, that pic related is worth 6X what one of mine is, looking objectively, if you are fan of buff dudes even more.

>>4137982
yes, this is coming together nicely, but you've been posting wips of it for at least a week or two now? no point in being able to achieve an attractive render if you can't do it efficiently. once you're done with this piece, i'd encourage you to challenge yourself to do something similar, within a shorter timeframe

>>4137996
This, the trick is being able to do good and fast, apply efficiency of resources, otherwise you'll have to charge a Lot to compensate the time/money ratio.
Theres no point i'm doing a pic that is worth 500 USD but only being able to finish one in a month, no reliavility on that.

>>4137967
>get paid 100 bucks for a commission
>see some poor schmuck putting the same effort for less than half the money
Yeah, I’d be feeling bad for the guy underpaying himself. But hey, I guess making internet strangers feel bad is worth it for you.

>>4137992
Mind if I see any of your works? I won't judge too much. Just curious.

>>4138009
Nothing to show unfortunely, is all Loli/Shota related, and I can't pasa my pixiv because I don't trust the Reddit lurkers out here.

>>4137953
I make $39 an hour at my normie job so I’m planning on pricing myself similar. Most illustrations take under 2 hours though so it’s still pretty competitive I think.

>>4137990
No. No it doesn't. I'd only try to encourage the guy to raise his prices. Shady pricing follows up with shady artwork and shady work ethic. I know some people who have excellent art but have shit prices, and when they deliver a commission it only looks half as good as you'd expect.

>>4138016
What?

>>4138003
Cup noodles don’t taste that bad so I don’t mind doing that to implicitly convey
>Hey dipshit I’m gonna show up from nowhere to charge prices way lower than yours, take your would be customers, and outpace your drawing rate all the while having less than a 50th of your follower count that you worked hard for because I am irked by your decision to charge more than this girl who I think is better than you and happens to charge less than you do.

>>4138022
You're definitely thinking about this more than every other person - but good on you for having fun.

I still take a lot of time but I'm getting better. I don't think my prices are high but I never hear back from 75% of the people who ask me about my commissions

>>4138022
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>>4138062
What are your prices though? Maybe you are really overpricing yourself.

>>4138062
I start at 60 and go up to 180 (before discounts) so idk,

>>4138071
I start at 60 and go up to 180 (before discounts) so idk,

>>4138085
Woah, thats actually pretty fair, I think your audience is the problem, I used to have the same problem when I hot started, once you reach a good level that kind of people dissappear and the customers pay the price you ask without making any question.
Also don't make 60 your minimum, i'm not as half as good as you are and my min is 120.

>>4138062
Man, I'd support your patreon if you didn't draw so many fat ladies :( I really like your style.

>>4138091
I mean isn’t that bad I would rather have a small pool of people who commissions me with work I’m willing to do moreover i always have commissions in queue despite the ghosting

My lowest price is something people rarely Request: monochrome commissions, cheapest colored one are 110

>>4138091
I would say I have some chubby ladies but not outright fat ones

FWIW isn’t something I do all the time either, same as feet, fan art, prosthetics, I think I rotate my work subjects in rather healthy way

>>4138091
Thanks anon. I mean isn't that bad, I would rather have a small-medium sized pool of people who commissions me with work I’m willing to do and they are willing to wait for than the alternative. Moreover i always have commissions in queue despite the aforementioned ghosting.

My lowest price is something people rarely request: monochrome commissions, cheapest colored ones are 110

>>4138094
I would say I have some chubby ladies but not outright fat ones

Moreover chubby isn’t something I do all the time either, same as feet, fan art, prosthetics, preggo, etc...I think I rotate my work subjects in rather healthy way.

You can try it for a month, I post 4-5 times x week and see it for yourself, I also have all my rewards still up there ever since Dec 2018. Either way thanks for the consideration!

>>4138018
Non commissioned work is better than their commissioned work.

>>4138085
That's in USD right?
To be honest, I'd reblog your stuff more if it was more erotic. You have very nice art, but nothing ever catches my eye that I think my audience would enjoy. When I see it, I think of it more as a piece of classic art than something someone would fap to.
Seeing you draw someone actually getting fucked would be great for you, but I don't know where your men skills are at.

>>4138198
Same person. Forgot this, but I guess you could just learn to draw dicks and have dickgirl on female.

>>4137953
how do you decide what's a simple vs complex bg?
most of the backgrounds i've been doing lately have pretty easy perspective but somewhat detailed architecture & idk how to charge for them

>>4138062
your skill is pretty much where it needs to be, you just need to focus more on presentation & making images that *feel* valuable to the client.

>>4137989
Not if he took over two weeks to make it, plus the background is still bland.

>>4138022
>cup noodles don't taste that bad
yeah but their nutritional value is shit. You are pretty much giving yourself guaranteed health problems over something this petty, you might even hinder your brain functions and make drawing harder in the future.
Pic related is you.

>>4138327
can confirm this. when I was a teenager I've had a friend who was grinding skateboarding all his free time and instead of water, he was drinking cheapest sugar soda from Tesco called OAZA (oasis) all day. I was telling him all the time that hes being retarded. And he was like; gtfo with this esoteric bullshit man, I am good. Then 5 years later his body is totally fucked. Doesn't even can one drink of vodka or anything because he might die. Strict diet. I hope he is better nowadays.

>>4138333
shit is literally a poison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUuap8dP_Nk

>>4138123
As one of your patrons on patreon, I'd say I'm stuck in a weird place. I really enjoy getting your stuff on a regular basis, but I don't see myself commissionning you for a specific piece.

And that's coming from someone who commissioned a lot of people for very diverse stuff in very diverse styles...

>>4138123
my 2 cents: either go more pinup, less suggestive than you do right now, or go the other way, and do penetration too

right now, you are too softcore, for the later, but too hardcore for the first time of client

I'm still not good enough to even have followers :(

this isn't mine, but i'm around this tier. how much does this kind of no-background thing go for?

>>4138433
23 to 60USD per cahracter

this isn't mine, but i'm around this tier. how much does this kind of thing go for? I am charging around 300USD for something like this. should I charge less or more?

>>4138439
>23
I ment 30

How much do/how many people pay for backgrounds?

>>4138439
If you are really near Fensekes level you should charge way more.

>>4138439
>>4138433
Not to be mean, but "this isn't mine but I'm around this tier" doesn't mean a thing. We can't assess your work without real examples of it, and you may be deluded about your own ability...

this one might be closer to my level. I know its generic, but I am able to create something very similar in 3 - hours

>>4138482
what if I am as good as him but I don't have a name, right connections in the industry field and virtually zero networking. How much should I ask per one artwork?

>>4138487
yeah I get it, but if I am deluded I think that clients would let me know in a polite way years ago that I am shit instead of paying me. don't you think?

>>4138506
dont be a faggot, pyw

>>4138506
i really really don't believe you

>>4138510
>pyw
you first

>>4138511
ok, i dont care. I just want to hear the price

>>4138506
Just post your work fagget, se cant rate you based on your delusions.

>>4138506
>clients telling you
I don't know man, I know I've commissionned people overpricing (in my opinion) their stuff in the past, and I've never said it to their face because I don't want to sound mean (and because, though I found it overpriced, there was still somethung appealling in their work for me to buy).

And I find it pretty hard to believe that you actually have the skill to pull off that kind of work in 3 hours. A full piece, complex lighting, nice composition, and all the fluff in 3 hours? Make one every day and post them on social networks, you'll be famous in a matter of months.

>>4138506
>3 hours

You are so full of shit, anon.

Rate

>>4138522
Alke's work is good. I'd gladly pay 80 for that specifi one, and 200 for one of his full pieces with backgrounds

>>4138517
>Make one every day and post them on social networks, you'll be famous in a matter of months
there is my problem, I can paint pretty fast but when it comes to social networking I am a BEG atist. how many sites we talking about? all of them? becasue in that case networking for one piece can took me more than 30 hours since I cannot work with them. I hate hastaging and all that shit

>>4137953
Can you fucking understand already that you can't price commissions/art only based on how an artwork looks like?
Stop being so fucking /beg/ already.

>>4138540
regular work of that quality would get traction and roll really fast over twitter. Just start by making a few pieces that are more fan-art related or something to get initial traction with hashtagging, and it would be a start, you would get thousands of followers fast.

Heck, you should start right here by POSTING YOUR WORK and giving us your twitter account, I'm sure you'd get new followers right away. But no, you won't, right?

>>4138528
You are a cheap bastard, kek, any mediocre medium level work is worth 80+/200+ and you want to pay that for ones of Alkes.

>>4138510
>>4138511
>>4138515
>>4138517
>>4138518
>>4138545
I don't need you to rate mine stuff. Rate these two artworks based on artists skill level not based on his social status or number of followers. How much USD should they charge per piece?

>>4138565
Go fuck yourself.

>>4138569
pywf

>>4138556
I would actually be quite curious to have Alke's actual price sheet. I love his stuff, I might splurge a little.

>>4138565
You don't get it, anon. You really don't.
When it comes to nice big pieces, the artist's popularity is a huge, HUGE factor on pricing. It may even be the ONLY one.

People would pay thousands for a famous guy's doodle and a couple hundreds for a perfectly polished piece from a no-name.
Deal. With. It.

Third world shitter here.

God, I wish I was earning MY local minimum wage (bout 250 dollars a month, so about 1,6 dollars an hour).

My plan is to start taking 7~10 dollar commissions daily (earning about 5~7 after fees) by shitting out some very simple drawings.
If I manage 5 a week (doubt it), that's 80~140 dollars a month.

I can think about going up afterwards, for now I want to draw other shit in parallel.
I live with mommy, so it's not a problem. I could find a normal job instead (that's what I'll do if I fail to take-off in the near future).

>>4138578
finally solid answer, thanks. but whats the industry standard pricing for this sort of stuff when you are a no-name artist and you have a nice and rich portfolio with similar quality level? lets say if you are working on a movie for big holywood paramount studio or whatever. whats the ideala win-win price per piece?

>>4138573
Is high, quite high, the kind of high you pay boy gathering money through months, but is worth it every penny.
I'm not even saying the ammount out of respect to him.

>>4138588
>big studio
Zero, because Big studios don't even have you on their radar.

>>4138591
how can I make in on their radar without using social media?

>>4138590
I don't doubt it's worth every penny, which is why I'm trying hard with a method to get this for cheap by analysing his works and trying to emulate it.
With little success so far but meh, at least I enjoy the process.

>>4138596
You pretty much can't?

>>4138587
>7-10 dollars
I wouldn't even sneeze on a canvas for that price, I think that even the /beg/giest commission in the world isn't worth less than $15. Some of you people really need to value your time.

>>4138601

where can I hire a relatable person that would be shilling my art all over the places and how much will it cost per month?

Art faggots will say anything to get around the simple notion that a sketch shouldn't cost that much if it is a person to person transaction. If a company of a reasonable size (i.e they employ more than two people) then sure charge your full price. But if some guy would like a decent quality sketch or picture, and is willing to part with 20-40 bucks for it, then why not do it? Understandable if your art is at another level and you're of a true professional level. But the sheer amount of deviant-art mid-tier artists thinking their picture is of 40 bucks value can take a hike. "BUT I SHOULD BE PAID!" Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never collaborate at a lower cost unless its something you can wank over yourself.

>>4138022
>>4138327
Is anorexia really that bad? I'd consider teetering on it just to slim down.

>>4138603
Wow, anon. How could I not notice this?
All I have to do is CHARGE MORE! That will solve everything. People will come in droves for the chance to pay more for something they don't even buy for cheap.

>>4138610
Anorexia is a serious medical and mental condition with potentialy lifelong consequences. Don't make light of it.

>>4138590
I just wished I had a place to collect his stuff.
I'm a patreon suscriber of his but he still keeps his best pieces out of reach.

>>4138617
Stemmed from self-inflicted retardation, I have no sympathy for that.

>>4137953
i might as well do my artwork for free...how the fuck would you price this

>>4138633
70€

>>4137953
is my pricing dumb?

>>4138635


paypal can't accept 70 €

>>4138640
how much € can it accept? are there fees becasue you a burgerfriend?

>>4138636
Value your time dude, not even a meme at this point.

>>4138613
People perceive you work as having less value if your prices are low. Why would anyone want to buy cheap shit? Art is luxury, and should be priced as such.

>>4138636
charge more

>>4138646
im not sure but someone insisted i price my bust at 5.00 dollars since anything lower would make it harder to transfer to my bank.

>>4138643
what did you mean by this anon?

>>4137983
>>4137992
>If pic related is yours it's really good.
>Pic related is not me, but
I love this place

>>4137953
You can post furry as long as it's not porn right?

>>4138728
Yeah I don't get it, too many cowards that refuse to post their works.

>>4138879
There was a furry critique/how-to thread earlier last week. It was deleted since then so i guess no?

>>4138012
What do you work as and can I get a job there.

>>4138646
This, it is true.
It shows confidence and that you value your time and art, so they subconsciously realize that they should too

>>4137996
>>4137998
Yeah, I need work on my speed, especially at the rate I get commissions.

I've been working in numerous pieces at the same time while maintaining my fitness and upholding family obligations. With contract work taking up a lot of time and working to keep up with local commissions (friends, church, neighbors), I have less for Twitter and socials.

I need to stay afloat, sadly, and I have no idea how to build a Patreon off personal projects, with commissions and fanart done on the side. People tell me in DMs and in chats that they love my character designs. Just need to find a way to build off that.

Two questions: first, the piece has been very well recieved on the Discord servers, but some raised concerns about a clash in coloring styles. What are your thoughts in this?

Second, what would you suggest to help improve my speed? Exercises, books, etc.?

>>4138487
that's not mean anon, just fair. (i'm the other one)

scrutinising honestly, i think i am that level skill wise, though my style lacks the enviable japanese flair that picture has.

>>4137982
this is nice but i think the raised leg could do with a more angular/maybe diagonal shoe

>>4138022
Godspeed Anon
you do you and stick to whatever reason motivates you
checked and bless you

>>4139048
>japanese flair
>gives advice about a pic

Don't take the advice of a weeb, never, NEVER.

>>4139041
stop going to church

>>4138613
if people don't buy below that price just use that time to study, it is a much better investment at that point.

>>4138340
Wish you could be more specific about what is bothering you, since I have done different kind of pieces for different kind of clients. FWIW pls know I don't take my patrons support for granted, I will always try to do my best.Thanks a lot for your support <3

>>4138198
Thanks for the feedback, I will keep it in mind

>>4138388
I've been afraid of being on a limbo for a while, I do like what I do at the moment but it kind of pains me that the trend is to have a specialty. I've been dabbling on stuff that is so different from what I usually post that I'm afraid of losing support. Anyway thanks for the 2cts

>>4138391
Start just for the sake of record keeping followers will come as long as you keep at it

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT HOW MUCH LONGER UNTIL I CAN GET GOOD ENOUGH

>>4137953
Get this.
Gives you a glossary of industry terms, full breakdowns by profession, type of commission, copyrights, etc.

>>4139050
I'm a bit of a weeb myself with Guilty Gear and Fire Emblem, along with a lot of classics. If he can specify, it would help create a more appealing image.

>>4139048
Angular in what sense? Should I make it parallel, and if so, in relation to what?

>>4139051
I'll keep going. Thanks.

>>4139112
It's not really that something bothers me... rather I don't get the urge to see one of my waifus done in your style as I sometime have with other artists

>>4139151
i think you should find some shoe refs, one has a heel and the other doesn't. take with several chunks of salt, i might be full of shit.
you are very good at rendering anon. i hope you keep making things.

>>4138391
Honestly if you put a bit of effort into tagging and posting your work across the right parts of social media you can gain followers.

>>4139117
Just a bit longer anon, don't give up!

>>4137953
holy fucking shit, no, not this thread again.
stop fucking around with pleb normie commissions and aim for professional freelance. you will never make it as an artist constantly bitching about pricing and the market.

if you hate dealing with normie commissioners so much
just
don't.

>>4139883
what are you talking about?

>>4139898
he is upset with normie commissioners

>>4138610
>>4138022
You think anorexia is the worst that can happen you bitch? Try having to shove hemorroids ointment up your ass EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A SHIT. That's my life thanks to a poor diet.

>>4139927
what did you eat that fucked you so much?

>>4139927
>Hemorrhoids
We get them at least once in our lives, I wouldn't wish these to my worse enemy. Lose weight, go lift, eat more fiber, drink lots of water and for god's sakes avoid anything spicy. I found that sitting in a tub of luke warm water helped tremendously.

>>4139935
>We
do you mean americans?

>>4137953
Every time I think about taking comissions I go to one of those sites take a look and I see a bunch of artists charging very low prices. It's depressing. I know they're not that good but it's not that easy to draw something either.

Anyway I need money and I'm trying to decide what to focus on. There's pornography, there's studying to get better, there's design comissions and there's not enough time to try everything

>>4139935
It's not hemorroids exactly and I went to many doctors who gave me the basic instructions already, but thank you.

>>4139936
I take back my previous statement, I hope you get them one day.

>>4139931
I actually don't know exactly if it was the poor diet, but I suppose: milk, sugar, processed and fried stuff. Not even the docs know yet. Genetics might've played a part.

>>4139943
why?? it was a legit qestion. or did you mean WE as an human race as we share the same genetics, life style and eating habbits?

>>4139944
Correcting myself, more like lactose. I became 100% lactose intolerant also.

>>4139948
thats interesting. you cant eat even high quality mozzarella? you should try it. it can heal your guts

I've been drawing less than 2 years and I charge $200 for a colored full-body image. My time is too valuable to take anything less. I'll charge people more if they seem desperate to get one of my comms.

>>4139945
Yes we as a species, it is a byproduct of being bipedal and you are at greater risk when you are pregnant or doing repeated labor intensive tasks such as heavy lifting.

>>4139944
>>4139948
>>4139950
I dunno, doc didn't say anything about high q mozzarella.

I forgot to mention, lots of noodles too, that's why I said that in the first place. As a kid I would eat noodles almost every day

>>4139951
pyw? I'm curious how good you are to claim that you can charge that much with that little experience

>>4140028
>200 is much
>you need yo be at Godlike level to charge above 150

See, this defeating mindset is what keeps people in the shit, 200 is just right un exchange or doing something that is a luxury, you need yo practice, is highly stressful and unreliable most of the time, come on dude, how much would you charge for a painted image? 100? Go flip burguers instead.

>>4140458
No, I'm just saying that I'm curious to see what a guy with one year of experience can pretend to sell for $200.
Apparently nothing since you won't post work. Why bother, you're all larpers in a "not my work but I'm as good as..." way.

And don't worry about me flipping burgers, I've got a real job paying me $200 for 6 hours a day, thank you

>>4140480
>all that babyrage because of "LARPers"

You inmature and jealous little prick, kek.

>>4137972
>>4137967
By making them feel pity towards this retard

>>4137975
Based artwork, do you get requests on the regular ?

>>4140632
still not providing any example, kek
I KNOW I'm beg tier, not worthy on getting commissions or even post on social media, but at least I don't pretend I can sell my work without proof

>>4140669
pic is not his, but his goal.
Another example of "I can totally do this"

>>4140678
In fact lets check that, I Will take a quick request of furry buff dudes to see how fucked im, why not, could be fun? Also I could gauge how far of my goal I currently am.
Sorry for the broken thirdworlders English.

Question, do people draw anime faces mashed onto decently textured/shaded artwork because it sells, or are they just bad at connecting noses, cheeks, and eyes, etc?

>>4139953
but are you american?

>>4140810
I can talk only for myself but it's because it's more appealing. If you can't draw a normal face you can't draw an appealing anime face because you don't know how to place the features in a way that makes sense. My anime faces have improved hand in hand with how much facial anatomy I study.

>>4139963
take a pill of lactase if you want to try a hq mozzarella, the quantity of lactose is super low, but better safe than sorry.

>>4138338
Here, some science
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

i make $1200 per month on art comms
is that okay

>>4142101
That's not much information. Do you work full-time on them? If so, I'd say it's rather low.

>>4142105
yea i work full time as a comm artist. its really tough right now i got 6 commissions to work on at the same time.
i totally got you that its low but i just started taking comm 3 months ago and i would love in a few years from now i start making 4 to 5k USD which is low middle class income in most countries

>>4142106
>4 to 5 is low middle class
Absolutly not. 4k A month is above the median salary in the USA. Like, way above, since the median is actualy around 2,5 a month.
If you earn 4 to 5 you're more like upper middle class.

>>4142101
its a great number compared to most commission artists - but if you want to be earning the average amount for an American then 3.6k a month if what you're looking for apparently (not american, just did some googling). If you took just a few months to get there then I would say you'd be able to be able to live off of art eventually.

>>4142121
3,6 is way above average, as other anon says 2,5 is average.

>>4142121
Don't confuse mean and median you dumb artfag. This is why you draw for a living.

Mean is a distorted indicator of incomes because it's massively inflated by the few richfags at the top earning a shitton. Median is generally a more representative indicator of how the typical person is doing.

Mode is shit tier, never use it.

>>4142133
No, I said 2,5 is median, average can be higher. Here's an example:

You have 9 beg artists earning 1k a month.
9 decent artists making 2k
You, you are a great artist and you make 4k
And you have Sakimi, who struck gold and earns 70k.
Median is 2k. Wow, you're way above that.
Average is 5k. Wow, you're poor.

Those two numbers don't contradict themselves, they express different things. If they come from different sources with different ways of taking income into account, both can totally be true

>>4142101
it's a good start anon, if you can make 1200, you can make 10000
keep grinding

>>4142106
>4 to 5k USD which is low middle class income in most countries
Dumb Murricans. They don't even know what is the average salary in their own country, let alone in the rest of the world.

>>4142161
Surely you know better without even living there, because internet, right?
Fucking dumb cunt.

Price check?

Tier: Clean Inks
Shot: Bust

>>4142255
pretty nice, detailed and clean.
30-40 easily

>>4142111
ya but after looking at the comm market its super easy to get that amount. you just need to get yourself known and draw a bit better than everyone else

>>4142301
>you just need to get yourself known and draw a bit better than everyone else

but thats not easy.

>>4142301
>super easy to get that amount
Assuming you're treating like a full-time job, it means putting out a $200 piece every single day, 5 days a week.
Which include communicating with customers, getting their feedback, actually shilling your work to get commissions in the first place...

Possible? yes.
Easy ? I doubt it.

>>4142303
its very easy. just look at good art and draw the latest fad. like meru_nyaa for example.if you draw like him you will get so much comm asks if you offer $80. most of these people will want draws from you again.

>>4142315
you can complete several comms if you work on multiple at a time. waiting for clients to respond should be used working on other comms. i do this many times.

>>4137953
Of course I'm not
No one wants to commission me

>>4142315
if you charge 200 youll do 4000+ a month, I dont think thast very realistic for a start, is not impossible, but is gonna take time after getting to that stage, also I think if you hit a good level of quality you should at least charge 350 per piece, that way you dont have to bust your hand to dust to reach the monthly goal, good or pro artist charge from 500 up so I dont see why not.

>>4142321
meru_nyaa got 170k followers on twitter. It's easy to get enough commissions if you have that much.

That won't be the case if you're a new artist on the market

>>4142336
well no job is complete w/o experience so try your best
put mernya as an aim and try to get as much followers as him so you get that money
also when diives started almost immediately he makes $7k+ from commissions so go figure

>>4142470
for every diives and merunyaa, there's a hundred artists that can't get their twitter / patreon off the ground.

>>4138201
>Draw more porn
Do your actually have anything more on your mind besides dicks and asses?

>>4138587
why would you not charge 40-70 dollar commissions you fucking retard?
>I live in third world country I don't need that much
So? That means you would only have to do a couple commissions a month if you want to be lazy. I really can't understand you stupid thirdworld niggers that want to undercharge. You literally sitting on a gold mine as an artist that can get commissions internationally.

>>4142725
This, im a thirdwolder and I have raised my pricing 3 times, now I charge 50 bucks but im not that good so Im ok with that ammount, I work less, stress less, and saturate my customers less, win win situation, tupid pajeets dont get it for some reason.

>b-but if I raise my pricings nobody will commission me

bullshit.

>>4142470
animation is a different beast however, prices are much higher if you're even half decent.

>>4142736
the animations Diives does can be learned in little time, what cant be learned is how aware he is of waht their customers want, his little crappy animations are appealing as fuck, today with my wife we where talking about art and making money out of it, and I showed her Diives and Sakimichan, she said the animations of Diives are cute and nice, and she found Sakimi astounding and skilled, but their drawings felt "dead", so be aware of the people you sell your stuff.

>>4142725
I do offer different "tiers", from a simple lineart for 10 bucks up to more complex scenes starting at 50.

When starting out a few months ago, I had to advertise myself every day on at least 10 different places (Discord, Twatter, Plebbit, commission and YCH auction websites) for 3 weeks just to get my first commission: a $65 painting that went pretty well, very satisfied customer, sent me a pic of it hanging on his wall.

Then I kept advertising for another 2 weeks until another dude showed up wanting a 15 buck commission. The same dude would end up commissioning me another 2 times for another $15 each - which means another satisfied customer, right?

I kept advertising myself for another 2 weeks and nothing whatsoever came up. So I gave up doing it because the advertising game is VERY TIRING and it's not drawing.

One month later a random dude showed up and he wanted one of the big $50 commissions. I did it, he seemed very happy about it. "I'll tell all my friends about yout!!"
Last month a random dude on Discord on a random non-art-related Discord server I'm at asked if anyone knew some avatar artists, I offered my services and got another $30.

That's a whopping $190 in 5 months, wouldn't cover my bills for a month if I lived by myself.
I would say it was decent money for a beginner and the total time I spent actually drawing, but it was not worth all the time investment trying to make people buy it in the first place.

>>4142730
>b-but if I raise my pricings nobody will commission me
>bullshit
Did you raise your prices even though noone was even buying it in the first place?
My following is pretty much negligible.

>>4142766
pyw and we'll judge

>>4137975
Idk where you're from but aren't you scared they might block PayPal and/or dollars in your country? It has happened here in Argentina and it sorta looks like it's gonna happen soon again. It's a fucking nightmare

>>4142785
You argies have an inflation on the sky, here in Shitle we are okay for now, hope your thing doesnt make paycunt block your country, I would lose Alkesama and that would suck. De

>>4142766
Ahhh dude I feel you, I have had like a 1500 worth in commissions this last two months but I fear with my life I may face a drought of customers sometime in the future, I have very little expenses but I can't live withouth money for that long.

>>4142782
While I'm no pro, I am confident my art is commissionable, people ask for my blog here and there.
I'm not gonna post anything as the question here is "getting any money at all", not how much to charge.

>>4142799
Don't you have savings? I do, but if the time to burn through them comes, I might as well get a non-art job. With that amount (and reportedly little expenses) you could be saving for times of drought. In fact I used to talk to a friend who would work like hell for 6 months, accumulate money, then NEET away for a year or more, until he ran out of money again. Pretty crazy, but also a good way to be productive under pressure.

>>4142804
I has big medical bills, I still owe like 2k more, thoose bucks saved me from losing my house, I don't have savings but i'm pretty spergy so I will apply your Friends tactic and work my hand yo the bone, where I live work is not precisely abundant and basic income one is like 350 dollars month, pretty bad.
Also thanks lads from /ic/, because I started drawing because of you and it saved my ass literally.

>>4137953
Whos the cocksucker in the picture?

>>4142101
pyw pls. jus a sketch or really anything

>>4137990
Anon, that only makes me feel bad for (you)

>>4137983
I wanted to see more of this person's work too- reverse searched it, here it is! https://twitter.com/Hichamhabchi

>>4137990
>is designed to guilt trip
Guilt trip who, the person charging 50+? Because that is not how it work.

>>4142943
heres a link. i post only commissions these days, i dont allow myself to draw requests until my comms are done
https://twitter.com/allbeatnik

feel free to dm me about commissions, how to get them etc. if youre good and your prices are fair ill probably recommend you to some of my clients

>>4143298
Oh, I'm seeing your stuff all the time in /aco/'s commission thread. A bit rough for my taste, but you've made quick progress and you got nice feedback, so keep going dude

>>4142736
you can shit out the animation that diives make for less than a day if you know what programs to use
people are willing to pay $200+ for each of those

>>4143937
I concur, i'm a total beg and I spit out pic related in about 3 hours, while learning the software. (ignore the artefacts, that's because I had to reconvert it to another format and didn't bother to fix them)

Imagine what you could do in a day if you knew what you were doing.

>>4143945
what program?

>>4143951
toon boom. Toon boom harmony? not sure exactly which version. I was pretty much using only the most basic features anyway so it's not like it matters

>>4143945
just out of curiosity, what would that be worth, as a commission?
I've got genuinely no clue and it's the first time I've actualy posted my work in one of those thread.

>>4143937
I agree with what you said, but software doesn't make your animation appealing, that comes from experience

And Diives does frame by frame so inbetweening doesn't help for that

>>4143945
lol if people are willing to pay for that I really need to get into animation

>>4142871
>cocksucker

>>4143972
Don't worry anon, no one payed for it, that was just me fooling around in new software.
You're free to de better, I'll be eagerly awaiting your work.

This is a WIP but gimme a price check pls.

charge 69$ for full drawing and 200 for reference sheet (front full view front back view and 4 shoulder up expressions + small body part explanation/lore)
not change of prices when it comes to nsfw or sfw

>>4146636
What's the full picture?

>>4146638
can't post too much furry or i'll be banned but it's what you expect

>>4137975
>fur
>good fundies

>>4142793
callao incel ql
If Paypal gets blocked in SA it's gonna be the last straw. why can't we have nice things D;

>>4146636
Blog?

>>4142871
>cock

>>4142258
>>4142255
If you're selling this for $40 you might as well give it away.

No less than $200 imo.

>>4142871
>Whos the cocksucker in the picture?

>>4147452
no one will buy it for 200

>>4147554
you are a bad salesman man

If I could have the skill to make 20 bucks per drawing
Then if I made a comission every day, I would have minimum wage in my country

i charged 15 for my first commission<i was drawing for a couple of mounths it was 2 portraits
After that i never had a commission
Picrelated was my lvl

>>4147554
People like you are way too fucking backwards in the way you put value to a piece of art, starting by putting a price tag in the art shown instead of the context that goes with it.

I would never pay more than $15 for ANY piece of art. If some guy posts a low-res image of the most beautiful drawing I've ever seen but says asks $30 for the high-res version, well I can live my life without seeing that. The real value in commissions comes from having your idea-a concept that merely exists on your head-being put into tangible form by someone whose style you appreciate. However much time you put into something or the "technical skill" that a piece of art has is completely fucking irrelevant to the price of a commission, because I wanna pay for the GUARANTEE that my idea will be put into paper exactly how I imagine it, or maybe even better that I imagined, in the style of an artist I like.

A drawing with a lack of fundamental skill is not automatically worth less if the style is unique enough where nobody else makes something similar. The reason most shitty drawings are not worth anything is because a million other people would be able to make the same fucking thing in a style that would be more appealing to you anyways. Better technical skill doesn't equal better, it all boils down to a supply and demand of style.

With the picture in question, it looks like something straight out from a manga. You can argue with the $200 price tag I gave it because the manga art style is not uncommon at all, but if I were looking for a front headshot of a cute girl with nicely drawn hands, interesting clothing and accessories, beautiful flowing hair and a mandala frame, this guy seems like my best choice. Find me someone who does something similar enough for me to feel safer using him instead and I'll lower my price tag.

>>4147624
>Me selling it for 200$
>other guy sells it for 25$
Which one will the client choose? so fuck off!

third world shitters underpricing quality work and driving down rates for everybody

>>4147762
Get good.

Price check?

>>4147799
Dont know but this is as good as western animumu can go.

Inb4 you are a jap.

>>4147752
fact of the matter is art doesn't work like that - if you see some 12 year old kid selling for $20 you aint gonna buy it over others just for the price.

>>4148122
hes a junji ito clone
a 2nd rate one

>>4148122
>jap

Not at all.

>good as you can get

See you in three months.

>>4148156

Experimenting with styles, following a suggestion from the DreamWorks animator. This one is also my work. >>4142255

>>4137967
12 is minimum wage where I live.

>>4143298
Nice

Kind of a side question guys,

Is it wrong to treat your gf/bf like a customer when it comes to having art made?

I told them I would charge like any other commission I do and they freaked out saying they thought I would paint something for free. They thought it was free because I did a piece for them on their birthday and I said that was because it was a gift.

I told them it's my job and work is work. I treat friends like customers too.

Did I fuck up?

>>4148679
saying you'd give them a discount is the correct approach, but you're right, if they don't respect that it's a service that you provide, and they aren't willing to pay for that, then they're not being a good partner / friend and respecting your work as a profession. if you want to do it for them for free that's fine, but if they get mad or anything then they're the dicks

>>4148679
lmao are you sure shes ur mate, mate? Are you guys e-dating?

>>4148679
it's more about how you do it anon.
just explain that you have a pretty heavy workload and it's hard to prioritize freebies over the stuff that keeps the lights on. art gifts are nice but they should be a surprise, not an expectation

>>4138062
you are so terrible its funny

>>4148723
pyw