/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4131548
Because (most) western women are fat or ugly.
Asian girls are almost always skinny and cute. The asians hold themselves to a higher standard.

>>4131555
this

Yet another weeaboo bait thread

This board is doomed.

>>4131548
More accurate than le uguu face

>>4131564
>doubt

>>4131555
Fpbp and trips of truth, witnessed.

>>4131548

>>4131560
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>>4131566
Post appealing western women faces then.
Im waiting for you to dig all the way into the 1800's or post easterrn/russian paintings.

>>4131599
Hahahah, called it
>>4131600

You are ight op

kawaii is a gen only east asians have thus making unable the filthy witu piggu to make glorious anime

what we must do is use our faces as seats for the glorious moe creators, like we deserve

>>4131600
There are tons of appealing western women faces, the root of the problem is that you have shit taste Anon.

>>4131548
At least pic a better example

>>4131555
based

I know that this is a shitpost thread but let me remind you this type of people actually exist and lurk on this board

https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/3334020/#3334418

>>4131675
>weebs are low test fags
And water is wet

>>4131675
augmented

>>4131600
did you even try to look?

>>4131555
fpbp

>>4131757
Just curious. Do you not see this problem, or do you not mind it?

>>4131771
looks like a very minor stylistic choice to me.


apply the same logic to anime styles

>>4131773
That’s kind of a major problem unless the ref is part antelope

>>4131775
not really you crab, unless you wish to say only 1:1 realism is good because in that case literally none of the japs can draw for shit.

stop crabbing

>>4131773
>looks like a very minor stylistic choice to me.

That wasn't my question. I was asking if you noticed this issue.

I'm not OP, I don't care about whatever he's asking. But for most people, symmetry and balance in the face is a big part of appeal, even if it is subconscious. If you didn't notice this in the first place, that's a problem.

>>4131776
I prefer western art but she is looking slightly to her left and her left eye is farther from her nose than her right. Are you blind? Or maybe you have a grossly asymmetrical face as well?

>>4131555
It's not Fucking FAIR.

>>4131555
Bullshit and fuck you you nip worshipping weeb.

>>4131839
imagine worshipping the same cows that are acitively hating on you and want you gone everyday.

>>4131555
>Asian girls are almost always skinny and cute.
skinny does not equal cute tho

>>4131839
Japans obesity rate is like 3% for the whole country, it's just a fact that they have far fewer disgusting cow women.

>>4131555
based amerimutt

>>4131966
more attractive than blubber

>>4131966
yes it does, for women at least

>>4131555
I find this funny because to me the most appealing japanese artists use western concepts of beauty and western facial features.
Probably because their artists are trained traditionally based on western masters from renaissance to late 1800s.
Compare it to korean artists who actually use korean facial features for their females because their women get plastic surgery at 18 to not look generic and flat faced.

>>4132086
Or I should say they go from generic ugly to generic beauty.

>>4132086
>western concepts of beauty and western facial features
nope, blue eyes + blonde hair does not equal their facial features.

>>4132089
Average japs dont look like that. Both examples have big eyes and high and narrow noses bridges. Are there no asian people where you live?

>>4132089
i'd agree to an extent that asian artists might tend to emulate asian people, but the narrative the picture you attached tells is an oversimplified one.
we're talking generalities, and stylisation often several steps removed from life drawings. so to say that anime characters look like asian people is not really true; it's that they look MORE asian than american, because they look like neither.

>>4132089
That chie art is atypical. In her other art she has a clearly pointy nose and the eye looks monolid. In fact pretty much every anime female has western eye shapes, western nose. A lot have pointed chins.
They should have overwheelmingly round faces, small round chins and bulb nose if they want to be generic japanese.
Even the most popular jav models are half-japanese.

>>4132086
>generic
that's just because you've not seen many asian people. it might surprised you but asian people can tell the difference between each other.

>>4131781
But essentially nobody is symmetrical. Doesn’t make them ugly by default.

>>4131599
George Clooney?!

>>4132106
I've seen plenty. Undeniable that compared to western variety Japan and korea suffer from limited gene pool syndrome combined with conformism and the fact that they all have the same hair and eye color with rare exceptions.
Then their art tries desperately to break away from this.

>>4132122
hmmmmmmm

>>4132097
Its japanese exclusively, slavic women are white and their faces are easy to tell apart from nordoid.
>inb4 slavs are not white
they have more blonde hair and blue eyes percentage than americans, white in my book.

>>4132097
>>4132100
>asian women are all racist caricatures
Nice try coping white woman, youre not hot shit anymore when hair dye and contact lenses exist.

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>>4132217
>asians aren't racist caricatures
>they all look like anime women
this is a very strange thread.

>>4132224
>they all look like anime women
Are you retarded? they dont look like literal cartoons but the cartoon is clearly representing them.
/ic/ keeps surprising me with the simp mentality

>>4132225
yes, i followed.
very strange thread.

>>4132224
>anime is a racist caricature
huh?
I think youre the only strange one in this thread

>>4131548
Because maralfaggotry has drilled into them that the peak of female beauty and fertility is forbidden to even ever look at because if you find the physical features of 15-17 year old women endearing it means you want to fuck toddlers.

Women age like milk so forcing western artists to sample from 25-30yo hollywood hags who've already gotten wrecked by 30 rabbis and hooked on dugs before they got the chance to show up in a shitty commercial ensures that the real beauty of western women is never represented in western media.

>>4132229
>>4132225
samefag or do you people really not know how to read?

>>4132242
your post is still not making any sense.

>>4131757
>that right eye placement
>tumblr nose
>caterpillar brows
Youre a meme

>>4132255
Thick eyebrows and high cheekbones are what you select for in a face if you want your child to be a Chadder Chad than his father.
The kids of a chad and a masculine woman are chads and supermodels.
The kids of a chad and a venus are softboys and masculine women
The kids of a chad and a supermodel are fatbalds and dykes
You don't go max test or max estrogen to have the best kids, you go one step below your own.

>>4131548
I remember seeing this guy on deviantart more than a decade ago. Wow he hasn't improved one iota.

>>4131555
Fucking based

>>4131599
Nice study but you Ngmi proportions are off and perspective looks weird, also the color palette is beg tier, is this ps or csp?

>>4132479
now i wonder if you think you are funny or you just want to bump the thread

>>4132482
Keep wondering faggot

>>4131555
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>>4131596
>>4131656
>>4131759
>>4131785
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>>4132478
This shit is not even remotely fucking close to being true you fucking retards.

>>4132524
Ya seethe muttoid?

>>4132109
Once again, that's not the question. You can have your personal opinion about what qualifies as an appealing face, and that's fine by me. What I asked is whether you actually noticed that asymmetry in perspective. If you didn't, that's a big hole in your game, because that means you're not perceiving this as many other people would. You're incapable of seeing the problem that other people see in it (and it's not a small problem. This asymmetry would be worse from front view.)

>>4132554
Why is it a problem? If we have differing opinions as to what’s attractive that’s fine. But it still doesn’t make it a problem. Additionally, if the artist was using a model or real-life reference, it wouldn’t be “incorrect,” it’d be accurate. So let me know why it’s a problem. And then kindly pyw faggot

>>4131839
thiis

>>4131675
What if I told you that it's okay for different people to have different tastes?

>>4131773
It's pretty clearly a construction error. Even if you chalk it up to an intentional stylistic decision, it still absolutely doesn't work with the realistic rendering, it just triggers the uncanny valley. On top of that it's pretty obviously intended to be a portrait of a conventionally attractive woman.
Not to trash the artist though, it's probably just an oversight.

>>4132795
What if I told you it is not okay?

>>4132795
>Throw every other piece of art under the bus or not grasping the concept of not liking something without the need to fuck it
>okay
get the fuck out of my board you cancerous degenerate

>>4131681
BASED & Truthpilled

>>4131600
>Post appealing western women faces then.
I was starting to gather examples but it's pointless isn't it? Not only there's a ton of obvious examples of Western characters that are way more appealing than anime, but those characters also have infinitely more potential for acting, which is something that you, being a pleb shit for brains weeaboo, can't even process.
https://vimeo.com/31178825
Try doing this in anime

>>4132993
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH TFW NO JANE GF TO SWING ON MY VIIIIINNNNEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

>>4132993
>I was starting to gather examples but then I realized they are all ugly.

You know exactly why you didnt post your examples anon. And so do we.

>>4132729
>Why is it a problem?
Yup, you're blind to it. This is the art equivalent of smell blindness.

>>4132820
>it's probably just an oversight.
It seems like a small oversight until you try to turn the face in your mind. Then it becomes a big oversight.

>>4133112
Did you really put in the effort to make this gif anon?

>>4131757
They are among us!

>>4131548
>Implying westerners can draw other things right

>>4132089
Seems like the Japanese are the ones not getting the face right.

>>4132221
Looks Mexican

>>4133285
you meant spic?

>>4133276
RJ Palmer says hi
Jack Kirby says hi
Will Eisner says hi

>>4131757
how many artists painted this girl i wonder

>>4133303
Hello

>>4133308
who is she?

>>4133324
Joe mama

>>4133338
stop niggering around

>>4133285
t. Amerimutt

>>4133112
>>4133207
Based anon putting in the work to prove his point. More anons here should be like this

>>4132225
>the cartoon is clearly representing them.
asians dont look like anime

>>4133207
It is literally a minute in photoshop.

>>4131548
The Overwatch cast looks better than every anime ever.
The problem with the west is Hollywood is full of jews and they're personally insulted by the beauty of white people so they've been sabotaging western art for the past 70 years. And video games are still in diapers when it comes to putting in the work to make their shit appealing. But from time to time a producer with cash and time comes around and we get a glimmer of what could have been if we let europe solve it's problems on it's own.

>>4133482
>The Overwatch cast looks better than every anime ever.
Holy shit, can you have more shit taste than this guy?

>>4133482
>The Overwatch cast looks better than every anime ever.
the game that copied the new style of western 3D films which themselves copied wholesale the style of anime looks better than anime?
lmao

>>4133619
>>4133650
Wait hes right about the first part though, Overwatch has god tier character design. Post a single japanese IP besides like Pokemon that has NEARLY as well rounded of a cast as overwatch in terms of raw design.

>>4133650
Yes it turns out some food tastes better when you let it simmer in it's own broth a bit longer.
Overwatch's 3D models are peak aesthetic because they take everything Disney and Dreamworks learned in the early years of 3D cartooning but instead of delving deeper and deeper in modern western softie bland faggotry also look towards things like mecha manga, super hero comic books and Blizzard's own catalog of previous games to come up with something that's both stylish and approachable.

Widowmaker still to this day has the most beautiful female face in a western 3D model. And the most beautiful cartoon style female face in general. Only SE's more realistic approach to FF characters can compete because Namco somehow dropped the ball with both T7 and SC6.

>>4131987
I go to a college where a vast majority of the population are skinny young white girls. Fatties are for all intents and purposes uncommon. I could count only a few on my hand if i wanted.

You weebs hate your fat whiteness so much You legit would kill to become cute girls if it,means you can get,more pussy.

>>4131675
holy shit. Imagine looking at that painting and thinking it's useless and bad. The coombrain meme is real

>>4134224
Wrong. I visited usa in 2014 and uk in 2016 and i saw 0 cute skinny white girls.

>>4134238
If you read the post you would see that the poster was saying the problem with western comics is they have no cuteness.

>>4131555
based

>>4131548
It’s not that Western artists can’t draw faces, but rather they lack the ability to simplify into appealing shapes. Instead of working on a simple design they quickly move past that stage and obsess over rendering (extraneous trimmings for a Jap). Honestly it’s like there’s something in European genetics or culture that makes them draw by a process of addition, in contrast to the Chinese/Japanese who ‘subtract’ away the gross until all that’s left is a pure realm of shapes. When it comes to appealing faces, shape design is absolutely vital, which is why even Western shape-dominant styles, many of which were influenced by Ukiyo-e, are superior to the masses of form-dominant art

>>4134256
Read the post below, the augmented one

He basically states that there is no good technical comic artists because they don't make cute art

The poster just doesn't get art unless is cute art

Hang all weaboos

>>4134320
>Honestly it’s like there’s something in European genetics or culture that makes them draw by a process of addition, in contrast to the Chinese/Japanese who ‘subtract’ away the gross until all that’s left is a pure realm of shapes.
Delusional weeb

>>4134320
>Honestly it’s like there’s something in European genetics or culture that makes them draw by a process of addition, in contrast to the Chinese/Japanese who ‘subtract’ away the gross until all that’s left is a pure realm of shapes
Either bait or this anon is retarded

>>4134320
It's not genetics, it's culture. If you draw the apex of cute you get accused of being a pedo by the kike cabal of child abusers who love to shift their blame into others on tangents, and the sheeple believe them so now your career is fucked and your life is done.

>>4134656
>you get accused of being a pedo
Only if you draw loli porn, you can draw cute things and be fine.

>>4134672
Have you looked at facebook art groups recently? The fuck you can.

>>4134694
Give me an example of someones career being destroyed for drawing "the apex of cute" whatever that means to you

>>4134656
>you get accused of lolis
>because they're secretly pedophiles
so close. imagine being this oblivious--engaging in the same hysteria as you're criticising.

>>4134320
The entire anime industry and every japanese artist you worship's sense of appeal came directly from Walt Disney's discarded sketches that westaboo japs managed to smuggle into japan.

>>4134715
When will this meme die? Sure maybe back in astro boy times this was true but japan most certainly taken the throne of 2d animation leaders in the world. Everyone else is trying to copy japan now in one way or a other.

uwu u wrong

>>4134715
Disney artists were indirectly influenced by the Japs in the first place. Rackham, Nielsen, Robison, etc (artists that had a strong impact on the old Disney style) all were inspired by Ukiyo-e

>>4134750
And the Japs were heavily inspired by western artists, to the point where traditional japanese techniques were mostly discarded for western ones when japan opened the country. For example the Yōga art movement in Japan
https://www.theartstory.org/movement/yoga-western-style-japanese-painting/

>>4134750
How often do you see Japanese artists doing Japanese painting(nihonga) nowadays? How often do Japanese artists use woodblock prints nowadays? Or using traditional styles?

>>4134750
lol that's the biggest stretch I've ever read. Congratulations weeb trash

>>4134695
>>4134694
I'm still waiting for an example of this, oh wait you have none, your just mad that you can't get away with drawing and selling loli porn

>>4131548
>>4131555
This.

I also dislike anime in general, but you can't deny that westerners have a very poor sense of appeal when it comes to cute/sexy women. At least Jap art of women looks (on average) cuter/more appealing than western ones. I can't even think of many examples of appealing looking western female art (appealing as in they look fuckable or have the 'kawaii' factor).
Pic related is an example of western art I find appealing.

>>4134848
Another example.

>>4134750
>Every European artist in the last century were inspired by Ukiyo-e
Is this a new meme?

>>4134850
Lol fug - I remember doing a study of bottom left like 4yrs ago

>>4134848
maybe its because western art vast and filled with different subjects and style choices that dont aim to get your dick hard?

>>4134872
Maybe if westerners were so afraid of someone's dick getting hard they'd be drawing more actually aesthetic figures instead of the crap they do.
As if there weren't people in the world who get off to feces and corpses. Stupid puritans can never win against the sickos and all they do is make the world worse for everyone else.

>>4133711
zarya and Symmetra's designs is not up to par with the rest of the cast.

>>4134900
what if it's because they think with one head instead of two

>>4135029
Why are westerners so afraid of sexuality? Something being cute and sexy is not always pornographic and lewd
>OHH NOO SOMEBODY'S DICK MIGHT GET HARD.. IM SO SCARED.
seriously, the west has a lot of growing up to do. Cant you incels just be mature?

>>4134792
its a bit tough to see if often when you dont live in japan, near japan, or know any japanese people.

>>4134900
whos afraid? porn comics are a thing.

>>4135039
I go ahread and post a cute western porn comic that is not trying to copy anime.

>>4133711
They look like sexualized dota characters, theres nothing special about them.
And to answer your question how about shit like One piece, FF or even MGS? If you can count that.

>>4131555
white women are trash, everyone knows this in 2019

>>4135071
>They look like sexualized dota characters
Thats a really weird thing to say, considering Dota has the worst brand recognition value of all those pop-fantasy video game license.
(and i did try to find a picture similar to >>4133711 but with the Dota characters, so everybody could compare, but could not find any. Shit marketing at its finest)

>>4131548
Anime is generally ugly and choppy so they have to make up for it by devolving every face into its base appeal and characteristics.
As a result, weebs have completely lost any sense of nuance and therefore can't tell the difference between a well proportioned western face and the generic trash OP has in his picture.

>>4134802
>>4134857
You anons sure get butthurt easily (I'm not even a weeb). If you don't believe me just read into it - from the dozens of different Western art styles around, Disney chose to study the one that had strong Japanese influence. Not Mannerism, not Baroque, not Realism, no instead they went with the Golden Age Illustrators

>>4135040
>that is not trying to copy anime
isnt the whole point of this thread that youre upset westerners arent copying anime?

>>4134784
What's your point? It's obvious that the Japs learned a bunch of new art techniques from the West, nonetheless their core shape-dominant aesthetic hasn't changed. Even in more realistic Japanese art it's heavily Notan

>>4135034
nothing wrong with cute/sexy. Your just so used to being marketed when you encounter something different it makes you uncomfortable and mad

>>4134320
People are mad at you but you are a bit right about Japs and the Chinese having a history of design philosophies based around simplicity, space, and elegance. Like the other anon said, it's cultural.

>>4131548
Because westerners are repressed losers ashamed of their capability to sense beauty.
You're not cool in the modern west if you care, if you think, if you notice things. Just consume and shut up.

>>4133711
BROWN PEOPLE GOOD!

Shut the fuck up, you clearly haven't seen more than 2 anime if you think Overwatch has anything special about its designs.

Get a single roster of Megaman bosses and there you go, more creative characters.
Even some shit like Naruto or DBZ has stronger character design without having to make everyone a muslim.

If soulless games are what you're after, just pick League of Legends or whatever Chinese Gacha is doing great now. Fate, ever heard of fate? It would be a great enslaving piece of software to a Westernized cumbrain like you.

>>4131548
>he doesn't know frank frazetta
>>>/out/

>>4135243
lol what a loser. No shit you're afraid of muh evil brown peoples your peak art is glorified emoticons.
Fucking noses man, that shit's scary.

Anyone else appreciate the irony of stupid weaboos hating on Overwatch when their beloved nippon love the fuck out of it? It's the non-Disney western IP with the most japanese fanart.

east vs west threads and threads about women should be deleted on arrival. How is this even about art it's just console wars

Sorry I don't wanna fuck aliens like some fucking weirdo

>>4131548
Peak cartoon porn would be Joe Mad style dudes fucking Gainax style girls.

>>4131966
neither does landwhale, that is not to say that there are pretty women on both sides, but I prefer white all the way.

>>4133112
Fucking based

>>4132089
Cherry picking the image LMAO

>>4135291
I wanna fuck aliens like some fucking weirdo

>>4131555
>>4131559
>>4131596
>>4135072
We get it, you have a bad relationship with your mother

>>4134848
This artist is actually korean

>>4135243
Megaman bosses are ok but they dont have much character or room for storytelling in their design.

>>4135243
Cast has characters from all over the world, 31 are playable

4 brown people, 2 black, 1 purple
rest of humans are light skinned

>b-b-brown p-p-people
>"cumbrain"
>no darkies, jerkop
>posts generic moe complete with flat face syndrome

Top critic right here
You cucks probably don't even KNOW anime

>>4135724
1 black man is enough to make the american incel feel unpersoned.

>>4134320
Ngl I think the girls on that sewing pattern are cute, there are/were lots of cute cartooning styles from the 1950s.

>>4135243
Non-white people live rent free in your head forever.

>>4135733
I am Brazilian, your crocodile tears have no power over me.

>>4135724
>posts generic moe complete with flat face syndrome
Good job ignoring all other examples, Sambo Corps.
If anything, those Touhous show you can have great variety without the need to make half of your cast brown, just by altering hair, clothes and posture.

Skin color is not a creative design solution. It's on the contrary lazy and also done in a way that shields it from criticism because it becomes eggshell territory.

The thing Overwatch does right is varying SHAPES and COLORS.
By shape I mean having big robots or small dwarves, not fat women.
By color I mean exploring the entire rainbow when it comes to spells, fuselage, costumes and hair, NOT skin color, as pink and brown are just two different shades of a very limited hue range.

Another thing it does right is incorporating a lot of anime aesthetic elements, but that's not enough to make the gratuitous brownies and LGBT power trips swallowable.

In conclusion, do I think Overwatch is bad on a technical level? No.
Do I think it looks bad? Yes. Like a good shirt with holes all over it.
Do I think Overwatch has anything special about its designs?

Not at all. That was anon's initial claim that led me to retort, and he just thinks it's special because of either (or both) of these:
- BROWN PEOPLE GOOD!
- Has consumed too little anime and has little to compare Overwatch to. Pick any random Japanese fightan and have a field day if you like mass-produced, mainstream variety.

>>4132100
What do you mean atypical, that's her in-game art

It's literally the colorists

>>4135946
Based Brazilian BTFOs Bimbo loving Muricans with bad taste

>>4135358
Most westerners do because white women are insane.
image the offspring current generation white women are going to produce......Yikes.