/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4102745
Have you ever tried to sit like this ?

>>4102745
talentless dumb beaner/10

>>4102749
dunno, I tried to copy the pose, it was just a remake of the older drawing.

>>4102745
12 years for this...this is depressing.

>>4102749
maybe her butt hurts

>>4102745
The only change is that you switched from traditinal to digital

are you aware that you've made no progress in over a decade?

>>4102745
Yet another example of the 'before' being better.

>>4102753
>>4102751
Believe her butt is the least of her problem. Her ankles is what should be the main concern.

>>4102745
You're trying too hard. The poor wrinkles, the bad gradient, the wonky hair - it's all more effort to draw but more effort doesn't necessarily mean it's a better drawing. The left is better because it's simpler and more appealing. There's a cohesiveness to the drawing, while the one on the right looks jarring and disjointed. It's trying to do too much from an artist that doesn't know what they're doing. The simplicity of the left (simple shapes, single line weight, etc.) makes it so it's hard to fucked up, and thus it looks better.

>>4102745
I hate this forced meme, but your example is the very definition of soul vs soulless.
You got slightly better in anatomy and switched from trad to digital. Oh, and by "slightly" I mean "you really spent 12 years improving THAT little?"

>>4102759
How does this keep happening? The first one is far better

>>4102745
you ain't fooling me troll chan

>>4102745
I'm sorry, you have made no progress and your understanding of how to draw clothing was somehow better 12 years ago than it is now.
Also maybe keep the eyes how they were before, they look kind of downs-y now.

new one's more detailed, sure, but the old one's 1000x better

bros..

I don't wanna end up like this..

>>4102745
What are you bullshitters on exactly, Christ this retarded board. Guarantee if he'd switched the sides you'd be in full OH NO NO NO mode. The right side is an improvement but a rather small one. Still, an improvement. I don't know how often you practice so I can't rate your progress, but in an absolute sense, I wouldn't call it good. If you're serious about getting better, then identify your problems and conscientiously work on improving them each day, or most days. Keep doing personal and imaginative work that you care about, don't get stuck in the study grind. But do study clothing folds, perspective, and the figure + anatomy, that's what you need most.

>It's actually real.

>>4102812
the funniest thing is that drawing is just a hobby for me.

:)

dunno why everyone seems so hard on being pros while not everyone is trying to become a pro.

>>4102745
cris fuck off you don't need to make a thread every time go to /beg/

>>4102813
webcomic sauce pls? I wanna help that girl

>>4102816
I mean if you're satisfied with this, more power to you. You did ask for ratings though. Personally I think you did improve but not a lot. Also, a hobby can be treated with a basic level of care or seriousness, there's a middle ground between beginner and master. But I also understand what it's like to be casually interested in something that other people obsess over. So do what pleases you.

>>4102824
actually art isn't an end goal for me, of course I wanna improve, but I've been focusing last years into learning programming, and right now I'm focusing on learning 3D and animation.

my goal is to make games.
I think my current level is good enough, not the best, but certainly not crap.
Is just good enough for my goals.

Sometimes you need to find a balance between super amazing style or just being good enough to be a reliable worker.

>>4102823
One panel, no comic.

>>4102825
There are a few artists who lack strong skills who have "made it". ONE and ZUN come to mind. They make up for low skill in other ways. Idea guys I guess. It's not impossible but it's a little bit harder if you don't meet a baseline of competence. I think almost everyone of normal intelligence can at least attain the level of pic related (ie simple appealing cartoons) with the tiniest bit of diligence and taste. Cartoons are more about appeal and good shape sense than the highest level of fundamental skill. Idk, do what works for you, that's all I got.

>>4102825
>but certainly not crap.
Try again.

>>4102835
sure, I've noticed.

Art can be a tool to showcase ideas or carry a story.

Also games are more like animation, and animation tends to have simpler designs and because of economics, you can't spend the same effort into an animation than a single illustration.

>>4102837
I can do better than that drawing, just happens that I was trying to remake an older drawing.
I can certainly do more than just use gradients, but it was the original shading style.

I'm not sure how OP, but you went backwards.

>>4102745
This is what happens when you use those how to draw anime books and not learning the rules first.

>>4102840
>I can do better than
>I can certainly do more than
Stop making excuses and just do better. The whole shit about "uhhh there has to be a time when a man compromises" is ridiculous when it comes from someone that lacks fundamental skills after over a decade of drawing. You need to get off your high horse and stop coming here asking people to rate your work if you're going to dismiss feedback every fucking time. Use the /beg/ threads, use the sticky. No one is here to validate your ego. If you don't want to improve, /ic/ is not for you and there's a reason why everyone gives you shit every time you post.

>>4102848
This, you can clearly see that nips learned the rules first via loomis or some other teacher they had before applying it. Pic related. Not a real big anime fan but I bookmark good stuff I find on pixiv

>>4102855
Her left hand looks a bit weird but that's pretty basic animus desu

>>4102855
but this is a nice illustration but the anime girl itself is very basic

>>4102857
Maybe Jun Suemi is a better example.

>>4102864
Yes, now that's a man who did anime right.

Left: confident lines
Right: chicken scratching

The tablet might be holding you down, study your options.

>>4102851
Here.
A more realistic drawing.

acording to this shitty board, this is clearly more skilled and is the peak of art, right?

Acording to this board because I don't choose to draw in a realistic style means I lack the know how to do it.

>>4102931

>>4102937
>muh realism
fuck off.

>>4102931
THAT ISN'T REALISIM YOU FUCKING RETARD! YOU CLEARLY DON'T KNOW!

>>4102939
NOOOO, IT NEEDS TO BE PHOTOREALISM.

OTHERWISE ISN'T REALISM.

MUH PHOTO COPY MACHINES.

realism is boring as fuck.

>>4102931
Added to the art cringe folder lmao.either learn the rules so you can break them or stop drawing at all. Hate to sound like crab but that's how it is, you can stay doing 3/10 Chris Hart teir muttime doodles or git gud.

>>4102940
So your just a autistic faggot, got it, can't even waste time with you.

>>4102942
>>4102943
NOOOO WHY ISN'T PHOTOREALISM.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

ANYTHING THAT ISN'T 100% REALISM IS WRONG.
MUH REALISM, MUH LOOMIS.

>>4102940
Even anime can have realism you autist pic related. Look up Jun Suemi, you clearly just don't see the entire picture.

You think these are good because you are a blind faggot and because you're a blind faggot you'll never be good.
Now go back to making shitty games your retarded beaner cris.

>>4102946
DO u realize those portraits are now done with GANs in seconds?

I literally could train a neural network to produce realistic masterpieces.

>leave thread to take a shit
>comeback to another ngmi weeb sperging out about loomis
Fucking kek

>>4102949
Show me one at the level of the post you quoted. You can't because you're a blind faggot and can't tell the difference.

>>4102954
https://www.nextrembrandt.com/

computers can produce realistic paintings since 2014.

>>4102835
> artists who lack strong skills who have "made it"
> ONE and ZUN
Neither is an artist. ONE is a storyteller. After the webcomic he hired a professional mangaka to draw instead of him. As for ZUN, he is a composer first, game designer second, storyteller third and lastly an artist. And his game design skills are mediocre.
For both of these art is not the primary or even secondary point of focus.
Oh, and ZUN improved way better than OP over a similar timespan.

>>4102958
ZUN is garbage.

>>4102949
Those shitty AI paintings aren't good at all lmao don't kid yourself. They can't even read most facial expressons and poses at that, the only thing they can produce are profile images created by merging faces from online profiles and sensery merged from photographs

>>4102959
Still better than OP lmao

>>4102949
GANs isn't good at all lmao, by the time AI can paint a portrait we'll all be dead.
>>4102960
Pretty much this.

>>4102960
>>4102964
cope more.

>>4102931
I'm not surprised, just disappointed. You didn't even try to construct the face at all.

>>4102949
>he actually thinks GANS makes good art.
Top jej I sa, I'm a part time /g/ent and it doesn't work like that bro, that AI is a clusterfuck that can't even read most poses or faces the only botanomy it knows are ones on old paintings and it has to comb through thousands to do one little spot on the portrait with even more variables. Shit the damn thing doesn't even read black people lmao. >>4102969 yes now post one you've done not ones google posted that can be easily debunked.

>>4102977
2D is dead bro.

I don't need to be the best at 2D because I want to make games, not be an illustrator.

>>4102949
All that accomplishes is making traditional paintings by actual people worth more.

>>4102983
You're shit at 3D too, retard.

>>4102949
>I literally could train a neural network to produce realistic masterpieces.

Bro you just posted cringe, your obvously like 15 or extremely stupid

>>4102988
can u nigger also program, write, do poetrhy, do graphic design, do music composition, do 3D, do 2D animations, do 3D animations, do GUI/UX at the same time?

I'm not the best at 2D art but nobody on /ic/ can do half of what I can do.

>>4102983
Then you should know that AI is already programming vidya and ed modles, 2d art is priceless, 3d is replicable and easy to lose forever. Cope.

>>4102998
AI can't clone my own original style.

It can easily clone realism garbage.

>>4102983
This is the early 2000s game quality of a model. At best.

>>4103001
>muh realism
not interested in such boring garbage style.

>>4102995
If your so smart how come you can't see basic colors or know how the human head works?>>4102931 is some of the worst shit I've seen here a smart person would know not to post cringey stuff on 4chan lol

>>4102995
What's the point if you're shit all of those?
It's better to be good at a single thing than be shit at everything. lmao

>>4103003
Where did I ever say a word about realism? Point at the exact spot. I'm sure it won't be hard to find within 12 words.

>>4102999
>AI can't clone my own original style
Now who's coping nerd?

>>4102958
He still draws wtf. I said they're bad but they do in fact draw, they're artists of low skill. What are we even disagreeing on.

you're a waste of oxygen, cris.

>>4103005
If I were interested in realism I would have practiced it.

>>4103007
I'll be good eventually at all those skills.

I want to make games, not be an illustrator.

>>4103008
you mentioned graphics as if more modern graphics are better, which implies realism of AAA retarded trash.

>>4103011
people already recognize here my style.

>2007
>being stagnate for that long
What the fuck

>>4103015
Talent is real. And this is what happens when you don't have it.

>>4103014
> modern implies realistic
Here. A screenshot from a modern videogame that uses 3D graphics. Is it realistic?

>>4103021
those graphics are more realistic than psx ones, so yes, it implies realism, look at the fur, shaders and materials.

I bet it uses PBR.

>>4102995
I've seen all of that stuff from you. It's all bad.

>>4103023
post your code, poetrhy, 3D and stories, then.

>>4102991
He's not, he's just a schizo that's been around for years and gets banned from every community he joins.

>>4102855
>Not a real big anime fan but I bookmark good stuff I find on pixiv
nothing wrong with having a pixiv fantasia folder