/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Live class today, 3x20 min.

What should l focus on in the next class?

>>4098123
In having confidence with your lines

Coupla drawings I did on stream the last two days

>>4098231
Did both with my new xp-pen 15.6, really digging it so far.

>>4098232
>>4098231
you have ability but you really ought to learn more about values and colors. you have a tendency to make muddy figures and render shadows as black instead of a dark blue or warm purple

the thumbnails on both look great but it looks like shit when you open them up

>>4098245
Thanks, I’m trying to learn from Papa Gurney and Bucci. Hopefully make those color gains soon

>>4098232
POWAH WAVE

your composition feels really dynamic, but the perspective is really fucked up anon. try going over the top on another layer& redlining out the figure using simple shapes.
>https://youtu.be/LVn205YsQhY?t=370
you should probably set up a grid too just to get a feel for everything that's actually going on.

>>4098302
fug embeds don't save a timestamp, 6:10 is where he blocks out a figure with boxes.

>>4098305
>>4098302
Thanks! I’ll check this after work :)

Gestures are fun. Don't know why I procrastinated on them all this time.

>>4098231
>>4098232
>>4098310
why are you people in /ic/? you already made it and dont need any /ic/els to bitch at you about muh fundies

almost done. i just need to make it more into a swastika.

Ive always thought this card was sick as hell. I would always make a shitty sketch of it as a kid when I was bored

>>4098547
Try doing the sketch lines but lightly once you find a general shape and outline trace it.

>>4098112
my friends are useless and just say shit like "nice" when I show them my stuff. if something totally sucks I want to know. I know the perspective on the limbs is the biggest reason why this sucks but I need some guidance

>>4098540
I'm a long ways off from making it, anon.

>>4098145
Thanks anon, l recognize this. I’ve always thought line confidence improves with time but it seems to be coming on quite slow. Any excercises for quicker progress (besides working in ink)?

>>4098540

dumping these sketches.

>>4098540
Either they like posting here or just shitpost art here and give constructive critism to fellow artists.

I'm going to work on the backgrounds more.
I'm kinda struggling with the planes of the face and I'm not too happy with the lighing on the second one. If you guys see any obvious mistakes go ahead.

>>4098570
Bad lighthing, I can tell he's hunched over but a lot of people would think he just got compressed or something

Emo shit

I posted this in another thread earlier but didn’t get any cries. What can I do to improve this?

>>4098123
It looks stiff, it seems as if you didnt get a great gesture. Of course its possible that the model was tense but it seems unnatural.

The proportions are also odd. Head seems small torso seems long and legs seem short.

>>4098699
I like that I can’t tell if these are drawn from life, photo ref or imagination.

>>4098811

#1
this is the most visibly wrong desu. planes on the left side all all fucked up & make it look like two separate heads. gesturally it looks like he's slouching and the arm/shoulder just look like a blob.

#2
arm is wrong. left shoulder/delt feels a little squished in the frame

#4
hand is wrong, rimlight should be visible on the hair. ear looks a little strange.
you've also got a weird tangent going on w/ the negative space behind #3's head and the figure to the left of #4

#5
you might wanna add some bounce light under the jaw or something. the shape is correct but the silhouette is making the jaw look misaligned even though it isn't. cast shadow is making the nose look crooked & like he has a cleft palette. unaesthetic unless that's what you were going for.
#6
is the mustache intentional?
wrist doesn't look right and the arm doesn't look connected to the body. right side of face is getting lost in the pink of the shirt

there's also quite a lot of banding going on

>>4098834
Thanks a lot for the detailed input anon. I'm going to be working on this

Yo, migrant from /toy/ here. Came to /ic/ for feedback instead of /toy/'s customs general cus I got plans that require the element of surprise.

I wanna make a Slenderman custom, but I'm having trouble deciding what sort of proportions to give him.
What do you guys think of this draft? Too Jack Skellington?

I'm not basing him on any particular design, just want something aesthetically pleasing and very inhuman.

>>4098829
Hit that guy with some rim lighting. Also, I'd use a brush to rough up that background bloom so it fits with the nice visible brushstrokes of the foreground.

>>4098845
Oh shit that image came out super low res, here's a fixed version

>>4098848
Seems pretty good. I would suggest exaggerating his proportions a little more, his hands specifically. He still looks somewhat human currently. Something like my boy Devimon here.

>>4098834
What does banding mean though? I thought it had to do with gradients in photoshop when there aren't enough values to make a smooth transition

>>4098859
Thanks man, I was actually thinking of Mummymon and Devimon while coming up with that draft. I make a lot of Digimon stuff.

At your suggestion, I tried exaggerating the tall and skinny further, not sure how I feel about those enlarged yaoi hands, though.

>>4098570
Throw some highlights in there, particularly around the black of his mask.

Hi there I’m really bad at shading but this is a dnd oc I was commissioned to make

>>4098877
Give him some reflected light from the blue aura along the areas facing his glowy hand

>>4098231
Dom?

>>4098540
it's the only place on the internet I can still call home

>>4098877
Need some highlights in that hair. Didn’t realise he had a beard for a few seconds. The light from his hand should be bouncing off his clothing too. DOn’t be afraid to use some reference for this, lighting takes a while to understand. Also his hair and cape are blowing in a different direction to his beard. Hope this helps, never give up.

Any advice/ critique before I start coloring? I know I screwed up his face but I hope I can remedy that with color.

>>4098967
Got the details of Griffiths design down well. The pose looks a little stiff but that can be fixed in post with a little liquifying.

>>4098540
/ic/ is how I got to where I’m at and I’ve still got a long way to go. There’re still some good advice hidden under the crabbing every now and then. Also some actual industry dudes lurk and shitpost here and don’t post their work.

>>4098830
Thanks for the feedback anon!

I agree about most things, my time ran out. Here's an idea of how I'd correct it.

>>4098902
Marcus?

Y'all think this is headed in a good direction?

>>4098967
Face looks dead.

>>4098123
>>4098231
>>4098613
>>4098820
>>4098845
>>4098877
>>4098967
>>4099756

>>>/beg/

>>4099763
Post your work retard.

Wei Feng study.

>>4099819
I post my work in /beg/ and so should you

>>4099821

thumbnail looks good atleast so I guess that means your values and temperatures work

>>4099834
Coward

>>4099821
>merc.wip

>>4099834
but what's the experience cutoff for /beg/? What if you've been drawing for 20+ years?

>>4099819

idk

>>4099950
Look dude, you even said you were a beg, we're here to listen to people who are not beg. Or if you wan't to be helpful you could actually give constructive criticism with detail instead of using a catch all post while pretending your being helpful. At the end of the day your just being a vague crab.

>>4099988
I'm not the anon you replied to and I don't care about the prior discussion. Just wanted to state that him posting his work (and it being good or bad) wouldn't validate or invalidate his comment.

>>4098814
>>4098873
Thanks! I'll work on the lighting (and some of the bad anatomy) and show my results.

I'm worried I don't see something wrong anatomically so far in the picture. His left hand will hold books with his fingertips. I won't concentrate on his right leg or his body as they will be hidden by a long dress. He's supposed to be looking down.

>>4100010
.....So? What are you going to do? Hide behind cheap statements like he did? Besides if you weren't even interested in the conversation then your words have less value then his.

>>4100010
It would though. I would respect the opinion of a gmi over a ngmi. And people that post >>>/beg/ are usually ngmi.

Experimenting stuff.

>>4100021
It's as logical as it gets. There's no "cheap statement". Bad anatomy, rendering, whatever, is bad regardless of who points it out.

>>4100061
>And people that post >>>/beg/ are usually ngmi.
Can't argue with that, tho.

>>4100065
very good

>>4100078
Thanks for agreeing with me. As long as you point it out and explain yourself that is the correct thing to do. But he can't explain himself, because he's beg, meaning he would miss a lot of important criticisms that he wouldn't be able to articulate or see. Your apologizing for a moron and making him weak in the process.

>when you draw with a reference and it's terribly obvious which parts you drew
well practice is practice

>>4098112
Piece I made for someone at v/

>>4098570
looks really great as far as style goes, would make a clean animation.
only problems I can see are shadows (bottom of torso should be dark) and arm muscle consistency

>>4099958

This is very interesting to look at. Good job!

>>4100595
The ends of the grass and lightnings look too rounded, in my opinion.

feels like i'm not really remembering what i learn from reference

>>4100566
he doesn't look like he has any fur

Why does all the art here look so /beg/?

I guess It's fine to post this here.

today is off from studying so here is some doodles.

>>4100831
Finally, some good fucking art. btw what's your blog?

>>4100937
Imageboards are my blog bro.

https://twitter.com/GirlHanged

Added three frames to the middle.

>>4100805
i dont know wat they furries want. it seems like they dont care eitherway. i started off rendering the fur but that doesnt seem to be priority because all the top furry artists dont seem to render fur either...iuno its weird i cant read these people...

Legs

>>4100987
Do small patches of fur, it'll look less boring too.

>>4101008
>>4100805

maybe this board can help me with this identity crisis im going through. ive tried all fur styles but i simply dont know which one looks more appealing to people. it almost seems like the more i render fur, the less purpose it serves...what do u guys think...

Thoughts on how to improve the pose?

>>4101033
Too much fur, it looks busy and unappealing, No fur, it's no longer furry. So I would do pic related.

And it probably doesn't matter because you're dealing with degeneratres.

>>4100595
v mignola but the tangents lining up on the hill and dude's shoulder is poor design.

How are my values??

>>4101041
why do you faggots never source anything

>>4101041
thanks i will keep that in mind

>>4101050
fuck off sauce fag

>>4099958
Cool and good anon. got more?

>>4100020
>I wont do the parts that are under cloth
this is why you're /beg/

>>4100649
Dont worry anon, you got good lines and form, just keep going

>>4100926
>loomis

>>4100566

hey buddy I think you got the wrong thread, the furry club is three pages down

>>4100985
Good shit anon, glad I got to see this "finished" blog?

>>4101038
Watch videos of people who actually dress up as knights and beat the shit out of each other

Nobody would willingly put themselves in such awful posture during combat, it looks like she is about to shit

>>4101050
manga is tsugumomo

>>4101094
That's because there is no need to. The muscles will show through the dress, but I don't need an underdrawing.

>>4101138
>is undeniably a shitty artist
>defends their shitty practices with shitty, wrong opinions

this is why you're shit. maybe you'd get better if you listened to peoples advice?

>>4101144
Ok, maybe I'm shitty, tell me why.

>>4101144
Tell me why it would be better for me to render that part like skin.

>>4101138
you dont need a completely rendered under drawing but you do need a preliminary underdrawing for proportion and form. you would be better off in the beginners thread, mate.

>>4101169
The proportions stay the same, the muscles of his torso will be given by the dress.
But I will render his chest for y'all and maybe then you will give more relevant criticism.

>>4101173
>him
>dress

it's all coming together, you're one of those mentally ill LGBTBBQ types that won't listen to anything but their own self-righteous bullshit

>>4101187
Just a wait a bit anon. Just wait a bit.

>>4101173
bro you dont fucking know the proportions and form will stay the same you arent that god damn good. i tried to give you a reason why you should atleast sketch it out and you shit it right back at me you know what go fuck yourself how about you dont render shit and get back in the beginner thread where you belong you fucking scrub faggot

>>4101272
I will go in the beginner thread if you will tell me the same thing after I finish that part of the picture.

>>4101203
godlike lineart
blog?

>>4101093

Drew a nude

>>4100020
I'll be honest with you here, there's a lot that's causing issues with this drawing. The right arm (our left) is too long, the legs are too short, the general anatomy is incorrect. You would greatly benefit from using a reference to understanding the forms of the human body.

You also say he's supposed to be looking down? Then why did you angle his eyes/ head/ facial features looking up?

>>4101298
nah bro just wait until hes done hes gonna show all of us that he belongs here instead of with the rest of the people who draw sausage thighs and slenderman arms in the beginners thread

>>4101298
Finally, something useful. Thanks anon, I can see the issues. I don't see how I could help the right arm, so I will keep working on different segments and see what could be adjusted. His legs seem short, because they are kind of cropped off from the whole picture (it's a part I'm not sure I want to readjust, so I didn't include it into the picture, I might get rid of it). I try to look at more pictures for references.
He is looking down, as in with his eyes, but not with his face.

>>4101097
Fuck you

>>4101316
Ahh I gotcha, I think you've tried to throw in too much detail for the size of the drawing in that case. The eyes don't read so well because you've got a lot of other details smooshed together. Try simplifying the features and again, look at reference. The quickest way to see where you've gone wrong is to just take a picture of yourself doing the pose or in the mirror. If it's good enough for professionals like Paolo Rivera, you can do it too.

>>4101033
Your first one doesn't read as fur, more like body paint. The second one is a step in the right direction but the contrast is too high and again, reads more like body paint. The third one has good fur texture, but the musculature is too hidden. Your 4th one reads the best. It's simplified fur with the musculature peeping through and your values aren't blown out. I prefer that one the most.

>>4101349
I don't really want to get rid of the detail in his face as it will help me. I did do the pose in front a mirror and so far stuff aligns at around 90%.

>>4101288
Here you go. https://twitter.com/WhiteBox_Studio

>>4101359
Then there's nothing else to say here.

>>4101365
wow I'm already following you!

>>4101095
thanks anon, i won't give up.
i just feel that my ability to draw from imagination is improving so slowly

>>4101356
thanks for the opinions

any thoughts on the perspective, lines, shading, etc ?

What the hell is going on? Half the people in this thread should be in /beg/

>>4101433
>>>/beg/

draw for 2+ hours a day uninterrupted, grind fundies

you need to start over if you think this is remotely presentable. it'd be "good" if you were in 2nd grade

>>4101470
it's because one /beg/ posts at the beginning of the thread, making the rest of the /beg/s think they're in good company

also /beg/s have notoriously low IQ's which is why they're /beg/ so they often don't have the reading comprehension or social tact to realize they're in the wrong place

Ok, so I got lost in rendering, that's actually the first reason I didn't want to do any underdrawing stuff. As I said, the proportions are exaggerated, I know what an average man looks like. If anything looks bad, tell me.

>>4101510
learn construction. that body is extremely flat and stiff

also go to /beg/

>>4101510
This is what you had us wait for?

>>4101514
Ok....it's stiff...I know.
And it may be flat because I used a light pencil. But learning general construction doesn't really tell me what to do to help this bitch out. It's not a stickman.

>>4101521
Dude, what else should I put there?

>>4098699
more stuff

>>4098832
A lot of it is really just from life and imagination. The only time I technically use photo references, is if I remembered any eye catching models in magazines.

>>4101526
continued

>>4101522
even straight lineart can define dimension better than that. it looks like the guy was smashed flat at willy wonka's chocolate factory.

construction WILL tell you what to do. learn proper anatomy, learn gesture, learn how to sculpt out bones and muscle and skin and then you can start playing around with "exaggerated anatomy". stop defending yourself (you are only letting yourself down) and listen to peoples advice.

>>4101528
Well ok. Gotta update on the stuff weeks later.

Can someone crit and give tips for lighting and shading and sharing what you learnt while doing it?

I just made this quickly so I could do practice.

>>4101538

>>4101538
>>4101539

>>4101542
>>4101539
>>4101538
learn anatomy and how to draw animals and people. shading only works when you have an understanding of the form they are made of. those shadows follow no structure, it just looks bad.

also study values using greyscale. after that you can experiment with color.

>>4101538
>>4101510
>>4101433
>>4101380
>>4100649
>>4100020
>>4099756
>>4099198
>>4098967
>>4098877
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>>4098848
>>4098820
>>4098123

i understand the beginner threads are all full but take it upon yourselves to make a new one. doesnt matter which one of you do it, because you all need to be there.

>>4101555
Thanks for the grayscale tip.
And yeah. I wasn't really focused About the base drawing. More trying to learn about how light works and going into darker colors.

This is not the best but the reason why I did they practice work. The shading is all over the place

>>4101559
We Can still learn from better people and such. I mean. I've been a /beg/ for like 16 years now. Drew to much of the Same type of side head view of random animal concepts. Rip me

>>4101570
go back to your containment thread and stop making excuses to walk among the gods

>>4101567
why is it that /beg/s ALWAYS defend their shitty practices?

but... i wasn't... it was about... because... it's not...

also, stop using airbrush. airbrush will never do any good.

You will NEVER learn how light and shadows work if you first do not understand the form. it would be like trying to write a symphony without understanding basic music theory.

how can you shade an coffee mug if you don't know how to describe a coffee mug? you will just end up throwing colors and values over a 2d shape you do not understand.

>>4101584
B-but I actually want to improve.

>>4101596
then draw. study an object or photograph. draw from it. then look at what you did wrong.

example, you want to draw a dog. not knowing how to accurately draw a dog, you make mistakes. then you pull up a picture of an actual dog. you correct some of your mistakes, but not all of them. then you realize you need to know what the skeletons and muscles of a dog looks like, so you look up a picture and draw that. then you realize you do not properly know how to draw fur. then you look up a picture and draw that.

now you can draw a dog better than when you started.

you will never get better drawing dogs from imagination if you don't first draw a dog from reality.

>>4101604
Thankyou god.

I've always had issues drawing from life and photos. Sometimes I do FB posts and try to do that. But I get an eye pain. Is that normal or am I fucked?

>>4099958
twitter?

>>4101608
if you get eye pains when looking at a screen then talk to an optometrist.

>>4101610
No. Even real live stuff when I draw. I do have one weak eye tho.

landscape from imagination

tried to do the whole chinese landscape aesthetic

>>4101615
Go to /beg/

>>4098112
I'm trying to draw oxidized bronze armor and i can't figure out how to balance the colors and values. the reddish bronze contrasts so harshly with the green-blue oxidization. it makes it a lot more complicated since im trying to stick to flat colors

Old design that I will try to model in zbrush for practice.
How did the orthographic views come out?

why am I cringe?

>>4101539
>>4101542
Absolutely dont do that. The original drawing with flats looked funny and confident.
This is a total mess. Use at most 3 values and aboid the soft round brush, and as anon said before, this is also a volume and form problem of you

>>4101380
lovely line. blog? Hopefully i can find a finished piece, or maybe some nsfw

>>4101293
Holly shit, this abrstraction is amazing. Really great style.
Maybe at some points it may look not as clean as you'd like, but i guess those are just sketches
Blog too please

>>4101666
>stealing background from another artist
>incomprehensible conjunction between stolen art, jojo's reference and mario
>terrible color theory, poor construction and values

it explains itself

>>4101685

>>4098310
Going to work a little more on this piece before bed. Any outstanding perspective issues or proportional errors, besides that short right calf?

>>4101615
What tree were you thinking of?

>>4101559

did this for a friend's band a while back. I edited a photo not taken by me and they got me to draw on top

>>4101742
I did just a quick edit on the left calf as well as drop-down that right leg as you mentioned. I get what you were going for, but her position kinda makes it look like her leg is bending inwards and out towards us, which wouldn't happen if her torso/upper thigh is pointing away from the viewer. Other than those two things, it looks top notch!

Sweatin' and stretchin'

>>4101702
>>4101780
It's not even bait you idiot. You really have to be /beg/ if you think those posts arent /beg/

Finished. Watchu think? Romantic androgynous boy.

>>4101896
/beg/

absolutely zero appeal to it. Gimmicky brushes, terrible messy lines, awful color theory, poor construction

I swear, some board or site is shilling this board and filling it with garbage. Just 2 months ago the draw thread was expected to see some real quality content, now 8 in 10 posts are /beg/ with maybe 2 intermediately skilled artists

>>4101907
Everything you said barring construction is subjective you fag. Maybe color theory isn't but I wasn't concerned with that in what was mostly a quick piece for my enjoyment.

Stick to real criticism, human garbage.

>>4101918
typical /beg/ resorting to ad hominem because their work got a harsh but truthful criticism

The drawthread is for critique, not for a pat on the back

why dont you go back to some echo chamber like Twitter or Tumblr, if you dont want your feelings hurt?

>>4101931
My feelings aren't hurt nigger. I posted this drawing I made for my enjoyment and you jump at me like if I had raped your mother the night before.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

But it's okay man, I hadn't read this thread was for critique, I thought it was simply to share your work. Still you can give critique without being a complete piece of shit, for future reference.

>>4101907
You know I've been thinking more deeply about this situation, maybe it should be like a thread for pieces that have more time put into them, because I can see how even a 5-10 min sketch by a top tier artist can be considered beg. So maybe, I don't know, works that have 4 to 8 hrs of processing? Anyone have any suggestions or insights?

>>4101938
I didnt jump at you. I simply stated that your piece has major glaring flaws. It's simply unappealing to look at. I wasn't insulting you or being "human garbage" or "a complete piece of shit", I was just giving a simple truth.

If somebody told me my art looked like shit, which has happened, I would listen to them and try to look at my art and think about what they said, and use that criticism to try and improve it.

I've completely redrawn, rendered and polished several drawings several times over because I'm personally unhappy with the way it looks. Never will I begin to insult somebody because they point out flaws in my work. That is immature and never leads to growth and development. Reevaluating yourself and challenging yourself is what leads to progress.

>>4101938
Even I think you're over reacting

super rough sketch/ character concept. I'm gonna expand it and clean it but any ideas on how to clean up the waist area? Thinking he'll have wrappings up to his ribs under the cloak.

>>4101952
Someone posts their work and you go on to label it as having "absolutely zero appeal" and being part of the "trash that gets posted here" and you think you aren't being a piece of shit?

I've been harshly criticized before and have accepted it, but it's obvious when someone's trying to help you or when someone's trying to fuck with you.

Stop playing victim and giving me the "grown up artist talk", you imbecile.

You're transparent.

>>4098540
you are evil

>>4101976
I'm saying it as it is, not to try and get a rise out of you

If I think someone's art is bad, I'm going to tell them it's bad so they will improve it, not to hurt their feelings.

You're going through all these mental gymnastics to justify yourself and you refuse to accept that you desperately need to work on the flaws in the stuff you create

>>4101994
I've received criticism over 25~ times on this board. Some people have criticized every aspect of my work (like you did) but none have gone out of their way to call my art trash.

This is why I don't respect you, because you don't respect other people.

Now fuck off.

>>4102005
not the same person but really? nobodys called your art trash before? i find that hard to believe

>>4102051
Meh, I'm still /beg/ but that's my second digital drawing ever and was done in like 35 mins.

>>4101567

So hey there. I needed a proper warmup and was going to do an overpainting on your character but decided to do a ~40min complete reimagining instead. My version is obviously really different from the thing you were doing but that's the thing; I couldn't really tell what you were going for with the design or what materials you were going for. This feedback is more about your whole approach when you're doing a character/creature portrait.

When you're doing a character design you need to be your own client/critic/art director and make clear rules for what you're doing. Ask yourself questions like: "What is this guy?" "What is he made of?" "Where are my light sources?" "Which materials/animals/anatomical aspects do I need to study to achieve this?" "Why am I even doing this? Do I really need to do color if I'm just studying how light works?"

Look at real animals. Mammals have 2 eyes so it's usually a good idea to stick to that especially if you have other weird attributes to your character's anatomy. Pretty much all animals have similar colored eyes so stick to that. If you're not comfortable with the basics don't try to go super eccentric with your design. Stick to what works.

My personal "mission briefing" for this was "Make a cool anthropomorphic dude with big ears and some fangs", so I thought I'd mix some bits of humans bats and felines. You said you had problems with lighting so another part of my briefing was "Make some intense lighting", which lead to this generic setup but I think it reads.

Don't use soft brushes! I only used soft brushes for the vignette. Everything else was hard, painterly brushes. A hard round brush with no opacity jitter from your pen is a good start.

Hope this helped. It probably didn't, but I had a blast. Might render this fucko someday for funzies...

>>4101671
>>4102069
Thankyou both so much

>>4098112
Didn't really mess w/ fundies but going back now, was into drawing anime for longest time but trying to take my art to next level and revisiting to improve- did proportion study today and going to put time into gesture and anatomy but any critiques/advice really appreciated!

>>4102119

Aye. I feel like your goals and views of yourself are in line with what we're seeing in your sketch.

The upper body looks good for a simple A pose but you were right about needing to study some gesture stuff. You could spend some time studying forearms and hands as they seem to be difficult for you.

The leg muscles are really wonky and I can see that you're lacking confidence there. Looks like you have no idea what's going on inside those thighs but that's okay as it's a relatively easy muscle group to figure out as are the calves which you also seem to be struggling with.

There really isn't much I could say that you don't know about yourself already... You're on the right path anon. Go for it!

>>4102127

Forgot picture. It's not especially good but you get the drift...

>>4102127
Thank you i appreciate that! made sure to save that photo, great reference!

>>4102064
The dunning kreuger is strong with this one

>>4102064
Fuck off and go to /beg/. There are fundamental things that have nothing to do with time. Don't think you can draw when you can't, practice more, and we talk later.
Also if you feel proud of that dragon, it's boring, it's messy, it has no perspective so it's even easier to draw

>>4102064
I beg you kill yourself

>>4101559
>>4101621
Who fucking cares if there are /beg/s

>>4101661
is this cumbrains' god?

>>4101042
>>4100623
thx 4 feedback

>>4102319
the people complaining about it, obviously

drawthread is NOT for /beg/s

drawthread is for people with a fundamental grasp of anatomy, construction, values and overall rendering, none of which you have

>>4102343
No, its not

>>4101661
i like the proportions, noice

>>4102534
Fuck that’s good

whats a man supposed to do after sketching? Digital should help me with rendering but its more of a pain in the ass honestly. Pic related is some dumb shit i did for the fuck of it

>>4098112
could i get some crits on this? its an albino sea warrior with rusty and sun-bleached gear.

>>4102651
>>4102616
>>4102119
>>4101969
>>4101896
>>4101830
>>4101666
>>4101615
>>4102064
>>>/beg/

>>4102657
shove a stick up your bum you idiot.

>>4102657
no u

>>4102616
drop that layers opacity, then line it.

>>4102662
>>4102661
he's not wrong though

>>4102651
i mean, its a good concept atleast

>>4102666
i just felt like saying no u

>>4102651
what's the context of sea warrior?

>>4102672
not op, but to fight sea monsters duh

>>4102672
to make yourself look cool and get a lot of sea pussie

pwese r8 mii art!!! i did tiz of a ponie from mlp buutt its rweeelly saaadd :c

>>4102680
you forgot your IC watermark how am i supposed to follow you delightfull aststyle otherwise

>>4102680
and tis are kittehs in luvv

>>4102683
HAHA its in the bottom right
2010-2012

>>4102678
>>4102674
>>4102672
they're from a nomadic nation or a massive fleet of boats that roam the seas together. it's kind of based off the concept of the sea peoples from the bronze age collapse but not by much. while they largely sustain themselves from the bounty of the ocean and small isolated islands, they occasionally raid coastal settlements.

living on the high seas for hundreds of generations has made them quite different than other humans so they're kind of superhuman freaks (being able to hold their breath for almost 10 minutes for example)

>>4102692
>able to hold their breath for almost 10 minutes

some real humans can do that one man even made it up to 22 mins, you should make it 30 (?)

>>4102697
i thought the record was like 8 minutes or something? i didn't really look into it but i know most folk can't hold their breath for longer than 90 seconds

>>4102701
it takes alot of training to do, looked it up and i guy beat the 22 min with 24 mins in 2016

>>4102697
You guys are such fucking nerds. As if there is even any way to tell from his seamerc_wip anything as arbitrary as “they can hold their breath for 10 minutes” other than his dweeby head canon. And your advice to him, on this art board, is to make it so they can hold their breath for 30 minutes, as if that changes his design visually in any way. As if he’d even be able to draw that advice into his design. As if he’s even close to a good enough artist to make a piece of art that reflects something so non-visual.

The ABSOLUTE STATE of you fucking nerds

>>4102707
pyw

>>4102707
YEAH BUT FOR THE CONCEPT

>>4102707
image complaining about nerdy people on 4chan

>>4102711
pyw

>>4102715
pyw

>>4102718
pyw

>>4102692
>being able to hold their breath for almost 10 minutes
heh

Seems like it's a good direction. I think the harpoon is overdesigned compared to the rest of the armor, make it a bit slimmer without those huge hollows at the ends.
I would make the armor more messy 'cause the rust doesn't cut it (honestly I think these guys would try to find a solution to the rust, like some sort of coating), if these guys are raiders/pirates it would be impossible to maintain armor this tidy all the time, parts of it should be missing/patched up. Maybe introduce objects that clash with the design, if the guy has been raiding for a while he probably got some souvenirs.
I imagine people living on boats with a small crew and constantly at the mercy of the elements would have superstitious/religious shit on them like lucky charms etc. but that's up to you.
I would also make so the armor has parts connected by string or fabric, so if the guy falls off the boat he can cut his armor off with a knife.
If you want to deliver that they're clearly not "human" anymore I would push the face a bit, make them more fish or amphibian-like. You don't have to go full Creature of the Black Lagoon, just a a bit uncanny valley.

I don't know your setting but you should make up scenarios in your head and see how they apply in history/realism. Even if none of this shit ever comes up it makes your design more grounded. I don't know why exactly but it works this way.

Update with the suggested fixes. Now if only I could make her skin more realistic/vibrant before merging layers for detail work.

kys or pyw
i guess they never pyw huh?

>>4102723
thanks for the quality feedback!

the hoops at the end are there so a rope can be tied to the harpoon so it can be thrown and easily retrieved. I think I will change the armor and make it a bit messier and worn though. I'll definitely give him a bit of an Innsmouth look.

>>4102732
>the hoops at the end are there so a rope can be tied to the harpoon so it can be thrown and easily retrieved.
Yeah I got that, just make it smaller. I think IRL a hoop that large would be a vulnerability, and a throwing should look tip-heavy. As it is it kinda reads like a double-ended weapon.

>>4102729
Yeah, her face needs work.

Suggestions for giving her expression a little more life?

Update.

>>4102616
her name is Wippina, the forever changing gal

>>4102707
Post your lung capacity

>>4098570
nice

>>4102707
>make a larger, barrel-shaped chest to signify bigger lungs
>put on small traits like a whale or dolphin to give the appearance of a marine mammal

wow it's almost like you need three brain cells worth of creativity to signify such a "nonvisual trait"

>>4103042
>it’s almost like you need three brain cells to be a concept artist
Wow my point exactly

>>4103045
Can you make her naked instead?

>>4103081
u qt

>>4102917
Nobody gives a crap about good illustrations and giving criticism or even compliments. We are here to talk shit about the begginers that come posting here. This is no place to post good artworks, they usually get ignored because crabs can't find anything to add to it.

>>4102069
Holy shit anon. I'm not Op and I didn't even read your post, I just saw the image and I'm gonna say, please, don't put your effort into this place. Do you realise you just spent maybe an hour or two onto an anonimous post with your talent? We are all crabs, we don't want to get criticism and nobody will acknowledge you for what you did. This post will get deleted in a couple days. Use any other side but this where you can find friends and peers and your high effort criticism get remembered and maybe you can get a fanbase of people looking for you over paints. This place is only for shitposting

>>4103171
I am the op. And I was really thankful. I have his work and his notes saved. Surpised they even did this for me

r8

It_s a dragon

>>4103177
No u rate my Dragon.

>>4103175
Of course you are thankfull, but the point is that we don't even know who he is and his post won't ever be revisited again. All his effort just to get a miningless (you) from you and get deleted in 2-4days.
Just imagine a guy with his draftsmanship posting daily critics and over paints like that. Nobody would even realise it's him and he would get no recognition from anything, maybe an anonymous "thank you", but that's it

>>4103191
God damn it I hate this place.
I even feel like shit just by posting this long ass paragraphs here

>>4103183
Bubble dragon

>>4103151
>>4103171
>>4103191
>>4103201
>we don't even know who he is
>All his effort just to get a miningless (you)
>Nobody would even realise it's him and he would get no recognition from anything

Not everybody draws for other people only, anon; he literally said he had a blast painting that. Stop assuming everyone is as insecure as you. If you hate this place, leave.

>>4103191
I'll better myself for them. I'll get good and remember what they did for me foreveerr

>>4103204
Water dragons.

>>4103151
Not that anon. Part of me feels like there is some truth to this. Which is why I've been dissuaded to post on here less. It sort of feels pointless trying to get feedback from faceless people who are patronizing at best and unreasonably malicious at worst. It's hard to connect with faceless people to explore ideas and concepts on a deeper level.

Don't get me wrong, I still like viewing the work from some of the more skilled and creative posters that consistently post their work in certain threads. I also really like the unapologetic nature of some the feedback when it's constructive or earnest and most other places just shower you with unearned praise and platitudes, it's just a shame the jadedness, shitposting and crabbing is so prominent. I just mostly lurk now. I don't know what it is about 4chan that attracts incredibly bitter and resentful people.

>>4103212
Yep, the anonumity makes it impossible to create a community of friend on which you can trust and listen to their opinion.
I recently got myself into Twitter and I can't believe how much time I wasted here. You can find easily nice artists like you to give and get crits and slowly find a positive group to grow
The only good thing as you said are the harsh crits sometimes

>>4103191
pyw

>>4103207
Ye, not everybody draws for others, but I bet all artists at least want to improve.
You /ic/s believe that getting gut is achieved by grinding and putting the hours and ignore any social interaction. You only get burned and will end up hating art by doing that
You need to realise the importance of having a community. You think that ic is as good as it gets and Facebook and Twitter are just hugboxes for onions boys.
By finding peers you will be able to get genuine and reliable crits, work on collaborative projects ,see how the general skill level is, study together, even maybe find a job by befriending a pro.

>>4103095
Thx bbycakes ;*

>>4103232
Hopefully most of you have a life outside of this. This was directed to that aspiring artist that believes crits from this place count as anything
I'm sorry for the rant, it just made me sad to see a great artist put so much effort into a 4chan post

part of this painting, gonna try to finish the figures today and the rest tomorrow

>>4103239
Artist here. Who would you recommend I reach out to for criticism and for building connections in this line of work? Thank you for your time in advance.

Wanna show a more focused piece instead of my fast sketches, i think this took about 1.5 to 2 hrs total so far, still working on it.

>>4103243
>>4103245
guys come join me in /beg/ we can learn a lot together :)

>>4103252
Here's what I'll do, and you don't even have to post your own work, if you can give me an example of a gmi, just one example, then I'll believe that you have some idea of what your talking about.

>>4103257
>>4102917

>>4103266
summer

>>4103274
waht??? HUH??

>>4103275
go do your homework

>>4103266
Out of all the examples you could've chosen, which you didn't even try to look outside this forum meaning you probably lack creativity and lack a respect for historical art, you chose tiddy anime lineart? Seriously? Is this what keeps you interested in drawing? Is that your goal? Is this what the average beg lurker on /ic looks up to? I bet you've never even went to a museum let alone even socialize with people in real life... have you? Like seriously is this what most beg on /ic want to do? Delusions of women that don't exist?

>>4103280

you said "gmi", which stands for "gonna make it", so that implies someone who is decent here now, who is gonna be great in the future clearly

>>4103282
Yeah, great in the future of tiddy anime line art. So jealous.

>>4103288
this is what I aspire to :)

>>4103151
'good'

getting into landscapes cus they sell better

My drawing does not pop out and look 3d, does anyone have suggestions?

>>4103171
>>4103207

Ehhh thanks dude but that was literally the warm-up thingy I did just for my own amusement and also to give that other guy some tips on how he might achieve some artistic goals. Seems like it might have helped him/her, so I'm pretty happy because I'm a normal human being. Giving feedback is also a good way of summarising your thoughts so they're clearer in your head.

Just like >>4103207 said, I had a ton of fun painting some random cat dude but that's by the numbers-bullshit for anybody who's been doing this shit for a couple of years.


Anyways, cheers

I recommend looking at some Proko's or Jeffrey Watt's stuff. Over all I feel like you're approaching your whole drawing process as if were copying abstract symbols from another paper when you should be spending your time trying to fiugre out the underlying forms.

- The legs are too short. Might be the perspective but haven't indicated that the upper body is closer to us in any way so we just have to assume things.

- The muscles on his abdomen are just wrong. I bet the original statue(?) that you're probably copying had the same mistake... Get really good reference that you know to be correct and work from there. If you dont' know what's good reference, you can ask here or something.

- You're working with a pencil but you're not really utilizing the values you could get from that medium. Actually you're making things worse by making the arm closest to us more dim than the one that's much further away. The same goes for the legs. No mid values either except on the legs which aren't even a focal point.
So there you go.

>>4103696

When I said:

"you should be spending your time trying to fiugre out the underlying forms."

I meant to say "construction".

Assassin hawk man, 'twas mad fun drawing on stream.

>>4103317
you should start by posting on /beg/

>>4103667
youre god

>>4102651
literally merc_wip lol

>>4103760
The silhouette in the thumbnail is really cool but after zooming in your poses are a bit stiff and unbalanced

>>4103918
Train your line confidence, don't be lazy with the rendering and pay more attention to the proportions. This looks like something made in a big hurry.

Post in /beg/ next time, anon.

>>4103918
go to /beg/ or sketchbook thread

why is it that nobody on this fucking board understands that drawthread is for actual complete drawings for people who know what they're doing, and not beginners and other idiots who spend 45 minutes on a simple sketch?

pls rate

>>4103947
>>4103943

>>4103950
??

>>4103947
fucking hang yourself

I am drawing this.

But it became this.

>>4104037
Anyways sideways from the phone.

>>4104037
All critiques are welcome. I have some education, but I like to hear what people have to say.

>>4103934
Is there anything I can do to mitigate that? I don't mind the first pose being unbalanced as he's supposed to be doing an action pose of sorts but the standing pose I changed a bit throughout the process. I would love to see a redline or a quick edit to see what I could've done differently

>>4103939
>>4103943
thanks for your advice. that last image was me trying to study anatomy and work on some villpu tactics

the thread is literally just "Post your current drawing". so all drawings should be fine. in any case i've been drawing on and off again too long to belief myself to be a beginner.

anyway Here's a finished Hogarth copy

>>4099958
Great Work

>>4104052
I’ll try to do a redline for you in a minute, I think the legs are just a bit too short which is why it looks awkward.

>>4103650
organize your values better. also, background and most of the subjects are just pure white. if you want the subjects to stand out, there should be at minimum variation of value between background and subject.

>>4104035
>>4104037
All critiques are welcome.

>>4104035
>
>>4104037

All critiques are welcome .

>>4104081
i'm drunk.
2 posts in a row

>>4104085
What does /ic/ do with a regular artist?

>>4104092
Does /ic/ shut down once there is a person with art education is in the mix?
I'm not an expert....

>>4104102
This is pretty amazing,

I'm happy to share this; not finished.

>>4104115
Always sideways.

>>4103760
Right I tried doing a redline and added just as many issues as I fixed, my major problem was that the trapezius muscle was completely nonexistent in your guy. The legs are also placed incorrectly as the shadow suggests that they're both planted pretty firmly but the perspective on his left leg makes it look like he's lifting it to some extent. Hope this helps, I still think this looks really nice. I like the way you did the hawk

>>4104037
>>4104035
its just boring

>>4101678
thanks, i haven't finished anything in ages though
https://www.deviantart.com/dutenck

>>4104115
Love it

NEW THREAD:

>>4104213
>>4104213
>>4104213

>>4098112
Where is this drawing from? I couldn't find it in the previous thread

>>4103947
>>4103964
I'm assuming your like 15, and if so; you need to clean up your line work A LOT. Really just spend like two hours a day drawing without using those sketchy lines.

but in the mean time, if you don't want drooling cunts like this to thrive AND you're going to keep drawing this kind of subject matter, then yes, please go to the /beg/ thread

>>4103760
it's clear you're confident in your ability but don't forget to flip your canvas to catch the perspective mistakes you made on the legs. fix the legs on both poses and these would honestly be great

Want to do fantasy landscapes like I see when I dream sometimes