/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Posted this on the other thread but yeah
it's like half done I think, needs better clothing and everything, and I think I fucked up the perspective

>>4075399
what program did u do that in? looks great to me

(studying anatomy)

>>4075444
Was trying Krita, as a lightweight free software seems pretty nice, and has got some good brushes

how do i save pictures properly?

>>4075444
>>4075469
rereading this, sounds like I was advertising it

I haven't really used Krita more than for that drawing alone so maybe you'll have a different opinion about it

Gonna drop a quick sketch I did in /co/ yesterday

relaized this would look better with more clouds.

>>4075484

nice, did you study proportions or are u just good by default

painting i did on photoshop

>>4075491
I study my proportions, or at least try to. I don't have as much time to do art as I did years ago though, with work and all these days. I stil try to do practice work and improve when I can though.

a painting of my character

>>4075504
Ok, this one is really fucking great

I should have just started with vilippu.

Couldn't think of anything to draw so decided to crack open one of these books I've been hoarding and never reading
Anatomy for sculptors

>>4075779

>>4075469
krita has my favorite pencil brush of any program i've ever used

>>4075528
who did you start with?

Before bed sketches.

>>4075390
I present you ballsack titty man instead of evil or good thought he has a conscience based on ballsack and tittys amazing so random

Is there a way I can avoid having to clean up colors outside of line art in photoshop?

I hate having to go back and spend forever erasing painting around the lineart. There has to be some way I can do the colors without having to clean them up. Just the base colors so I can lock the pixels and work on it that way. Ive tried with selection tool and paint bucket but they leave unsavory pixels missing or overlaps the lineart with some shitty hard pixels.

Does that make sense? Is it possible?

>>4075494
>>4075399
What's up,with /beg/gars who will shit out something clearly unfinished, then post the exact same picture several days later?

something i just finished in csp, kind of going for a lemon demon-y thing? im trying to simplify how color and light react to eachother I think i made the blending too soft in a lot of places though

>>4075786
Drawabox, then 1/3 of robertson's how to draw, random proko vids, desperately trying to make loomis mannequins off of Figure drawing for all its worth.

The most I've gotten out of drawing materials is "Accuracy, a drawing guide" and vilippus Drawing manual with the vid course. I'm still really beg btw but this is the first I've noticed progress. The other stuff has value but vilippus approach lets you get meaningful mileage and is the most compatible with seamlessly applying new techniques and knowledge. Again, im beg, grain of salt.

>>4075974

Which vilppu course? I only got the 240px one

critiques for these?

first one is my attempt to improvise values i dont really care about the drawing errors in the face. and sort of the hair because its complicated. second is an attempt at willow charcoal

>>4075475
This is really nice

>>4076015
I think overall these are really solid, the hair in the first is really well done. I think some of your values are too harsh, and that makes the bottom piece feel, stilted almost?

>>4076015
What the fuck does improvised values mean? Both drawings are not accurate at all, not planning to make it accurate in the first place is a bad excuse.

>>4075390
Portrait and stylization practice. Loosely referenced.

Opinions/feedback?

At what point should I be able to draw humans from imagination?

I'm 3 months in, read fwap, 1/2 of drsb, and I'm at the brink of stopping purely out of frustration.

>>4076053
Never.

>>4076039
thanks yeah i could have smoothed out some of the key areas better on the second
>>4076045
>What the fuck does improvised values mean?
uuh the values in the left pic are non existent because of the overhead lighting, vs my drawing where the light is coming from the right, thus improvised?

>>4076057
Can you elaborate?

>>4076063
There is no point in drawing where you just "draw X perfectly from scratch, in any context or lighting situation".

>>4076053
I've been practicing 14 months and i'm not even remotely close to drawing from imagination accurately. If i had to guess i'd say 5 years but there's no way to know really.

>>4076069
ngmi

So reading the sticky im immediately super confused by this symbol drawing stuff. How do i know if im doing it and at what point can i move on to fun stuff?

Does not having it mean i can draw accurate 90 to 100 portraits of faces?

>>4076078
Have you been actively reading on how to draw from imagination this time?

>>4076097

>>4076099
Yeah, i've been going through numerous video courses geared towards drawing from imagination. Vilppu, Huston, Hampton. There's progress, but having the understanding to draw any pose accurately from imagination takes loads of time & practice.

>>4076105
Ah thanks. Time to actually hunker-down and get some work done instead of the grade-school tier scribbles i've been doing so far.

>>4075399
You need to study value more. You have practically no mid-values.

>>4075887
Add a light feather to the selection.

>>4076053
3 months is not nearly enough time for this. You need to be more patient, like another 18-24 months of practice and experimentation.

>>4076053
You learn to draw from imagination, by drawing from imagination

Holy shit I'm actually having fun with this and I'm also kinda understanding it
Wish I could turn back time and start going through this book instead of just skimming through it and never touching it again
I'm seeing so many things I was making mistakes on now or just messing up in general
I recommend anatomy for sculptors if you haven't tried it already
Suppose I can move onto female bodies when I get home from wage slaving. Seems to all be somewhat similar stuff but much slimmer and rounder than the men.
Still don't know how to draw hands though :(

>>4076150
>>4075780
just make sure to remember everything that book teachs and you GMI

Somebody mind redlining one of these and giving me some feedback?

I'd appreciate it.

Anything I need to know if I'm drawing on paper now but intend to move into digital art later?

>try blind contour drawing.
Holy fuck im not gonna make it

i cheated an copied it tho

>>4076058
>values are non existent
Train your eye more. No point in doing an interpretation if you can't copy accurately on the first place.

Took some advice from last thread, these felt so much better to draw!

>>4076216
Needs some glasses and a bottle of onions

>>4076171
gentle reminder that I only pointed out the most obvious mistakes. Also try using a thinner brush, the lines are too weight heavy but thats up to preference ig.

how do i stop hating the things i sketch in my sketchbook?
i know it's for practice, but it's so fucking ugly it that it kind of makes me want to give up instead of improve

>>4076367
Not same anon, but kinda related:
How do you stop hating and beating yourself up over your bad drawings and start seeing them instead as a form of progress?

.>>4076367
hating your own sketches is natural, its that self-awareness that lets you acknowledge your faults but what's clearly wrong is wanting to quit.If youre in a negative mindset, of course, you wont progress. This also might be applicable to >>4076376 Bad drawings shouldnt be a problem, but a challenge. Something to be embraced because it presents opportunity to grow. Get rid of that fixed mindset and rise tf up

>>4076262
>waste time and effort on something you arent even trying to study
nigga.

it was a quick ten min sketch and the overlay was like 90% accurate. i wanted to jump into that shit. i didnt care if the drawing was off. i intended it to be a value study. also, she has a strong shadow under her nose and cheek line and a couple highlights on her nose and shoulder and forehead because because shes lit from overhead. this makes for shitty values because pretty much everywhere else is de facto uniformly lighted.

>>4076367
>>4076376
Anons you need to look forwards a bit. Every sketch you make today is not relevant in the grand scheme of things you won't remember them in a year, you won't remembers them in a month, maybe not even in a week if you keep doing a lot. They are all just but one step on your journey.

You do not like them because they are a mirror, a mirror you do not want to look into because you are not satisfied with what you are seeing. It is not what you had in your mind, you want it to look like "that" and "that" and one of "those" but you couldn't. You are not satisfied with your present self and that is okay, the road is long. You are just a bit impatient, you want to be there and do the "cool things" now and not later.

You worry if it is not worth all the effort. You worry that all of it was for nothing at the end. It is quite a humbling feeling isn't it? It is really hard to accept it but you can. Just relax a bit okay? There is no need to worry over something as small as those. Surely your life has bigger things for you to worry about right now. So do not keep judging yourself and stress about it, these are just one of many you have done and will do, just move on from those sketches to the next ones

It will be alright Anons. It. Will. Be. Alright.

What are the best drawthreads to go to when you are a /beg/ger?

>>4075488
I don't think this is /beg/

>>4076430
THIS thread you are posting in right now silly.

>found my old notebooks
>it's full of shit
>throw all of them to trash

>>4075390
I tried.

>>4076437
I mean ones where people post requests

>>4076448
did you really? those lines look like they were made quickly with no effort.
try again but for real this time, making the lines parallel to each other.

>>4076412
>90% accurate
Whatever you say anon, and keep making excuses

>>4076456
Whatever is fine. Dirty requesters get exactly what they paid for. Beggars can't choose etc.

>>4075891
maybe its because instead of getting an actual critique they got a vague response and then it got ignored so they posted it again you fucking dipshit

>>4076562
Why would a beginner seek advice on an old doodle when he should be doing it on new ones? It's pretty dumb.

>>4076196
You are. Just keep drawing.
You are on the right track it looks awesome. I can't even draw a stick figure.
Just draw more

>>4076569
well i am doing new ones its just that i also wanted critique on that one also but im not getting it. ive since moved on from that one but i wanted to repost so that someone can analyze it and i can make my corrections in case it was ignored

>>4076105
>"talent is a lie"
>t. someone who can't draw
every time

first time trying to follow a exercise how did I do?

>>4076363
not that anon, ty for tip

>>4076363
Thanks for the feedback dude. Figure two I did using construction while the other I did use more of a flowing 'draw what you see' method.

I'll play around with the proportion/shape method you provided. Used something similar during my figure drawing class so hopefully this will get me back into it.

The thick lines I usually do for speed as these are like 5-15 min studies. Will try using a smaller brush, though.

Thanks again.

I repainted it (left), i tink is a improvement but still feeling flat and unapeling
what can i do to improve?

>>4076428
that's a great explanation, thank you

I'm personally extremely results-oriented, are there any good exercises for the calm mindset you described?

unusual question, but how do i stop daydreaming so much?

i get this idea in my head and then i want to draw it, but it'll never be what i imagine

>>4075977
I think that's the one. Its 30 something hours of content, you could study it for years.

>>4076729
Not sure if he is grinning or gritting. I went with gritting when overpainting

Her you go, there i quite clear light direction here harness that knowledge to add more midtones and darker areas, especially in the hair.

Good job otherwise, keep practicing.

>>4076053
When you understand form in space, and how you can connect those forms together to look like a human figure. Just construct a bunch of stuff, nake sure you do it in all sorts of different forshortening

>>4076791
Yes it will never be what you imagine and that is fine. Because a picture our imagination is fickle, sporadic lacks detail and is full of holes. Again that is okay, images in your mind only serve as an idea, drawing something is constant feedback process between what you see and what you think/imagine. You put it down and then you process what you see and then the image changes in your head. Drawing from your human mind does not work like being a printer. (save for some rare cases of mentally sick people having photographic memories) It is very much an iterative process with feedback going both ways.

>how do i stop daydreaming so much?
What is the problem with that? How is it art related? If you have difficulty with attention then get diagnosed for attention deficit.

Drew this in 2011-2012 when I was still in high school. Haven’t drawn anything since then, but recently it dawned on me how much I enjoyed drawing so I’m looking to get back into it. Going to try my hand at digital art though, I heard a drawing tablet can be useful for many things related to software.

>>4076833
>>how do i stop daydreaming so much?
>What is the problem with that? How is it art related? If you have difficulty with attention then get diagnosed for attention deficit.

my problem is that i daydream about drawing something that is the perfect idea in my head, and then feel frustrated when it doesn't come out exactly the way it is in my head.

it's sort of like going around with the idea of a turd that you keep polishing, truly believing it's the perfect image.

then you attempt to draw it, and of course it isn't as perfect as the idea you have in your head, and you inevitably get disappointed and frustrated

it's a terrible habit that sets your expectations incredibly high, and it's extremely demotivating to constantly and automatically compare yourself to the perfect drawing, especially when you're just a beginner

>>4076099
You lesrn how to do it by drawing. if you already know how to construct and you keep reading you're wasting time

>>4075977
240px one?

Drew this in 2011-2012 when I was still in high school. Haven’t drawn anything since then.

>read Keys to Drawing
>every exercise requires friends
Wtf bros...

>>4076840
Thoughts on this study?

Drew this in 2011-2012 when I was in high school. Haven't drawn since then, but would like to try out digital art.

>>4076848
>>4076880
Go for it then Anon, what is your question?

>>4076874
post ref please

>>4076815
Holy shit, looks so much better
thank you

I drew a cool assasin Nyaaaaa >:)

>>4076901
Any feedback would be good. I mainly focused on shadows with this one.

So, I've been drawing a bunch of gestures lately.

How would you guys do this one? It was one of my favorite ones from the session I was doing, so I decided to try and take 5 minutes doing it instead of 60 seconds and I dunno, I couldn't get it right. I might post some of my other gesture drawings too and see what you guys think.

>>4076880
I am the exact same way! I used to draw in middle school and haven't drawn since. I started again 8 months ago and I feel like I'm even better than I was back then. It's actually a lot easier learning art as an adult because you are willing to read books and know what you need to do to improve.

help me anons

>>4076903

Lots of good stuff in this thread guys! I've been doing lots of other work (mostly working on perspective) while I've been away, took a break but couldn't help but draw on my computer with a mousepad. Nothing substantial but posting in this thread makes me feel productive :)

>>4076942
>>4076942
I’m definitely grateful for all the resources both here, and everywhere else on the web. I don’t think there’s ever been a better time to be an artist, or someone who just enjoys creating art. I’m getting my drawing tablet soon, pretty excited about it, but also hurting at the same time over the near-decade I spent not leveling my visual arts skill tree.

im 24 now, if I start now and draw everday I might have some resemblance of skill in 10 years when im fucking almost 40. this is very demotivating.

>>4076978
what did you set out to learn from copying a cartoon dog? what did you learn? what were you studying?

>>4077010
I was 23 when I started and am going to be 24 in two months. Why the fuck does it matter how long it takes to become good as long as you do eventually? I've literally never understood this talk of "bros, it's gonna take me 10 years and I'll be an old man by then ;_;" who fucking cares?

Like I had some fucking retard tell me that I was so bad it was going to take 10+ years for me to be good and I responded with, "Well, at least I'll BE good in 10 years." Like how the fuck was that supposed to demotivate me? In fact, it only motivates me more.

Think about it like this. You can start RIGHT NOW and draw EVERY DAY for the next 10 years and then you'll have 10 years of experience. Or, you can NOT start and in 10 years have no experience and fucking regret it. Dipshit.

Start right now. Fuck.

>>4076972
Well without even going into any real detail I reckon it would help immensely if you started with an actual circle.

>>4077016
Trying out some proportions.

>>4077023
I will have been following some perspective tutorials for the past few days. I just wish I stuck to something when I was younger so I could be good at something when im still young.

Fuck that's a botched attempt... Really fucked the arms especially so i couldn't finish it.

>>4076940

>>4077051
ngmi

>>4076924
>feedback
I meant critique.

>>4077051
your lines are nice at least

is The Natural Way to Draw actually good? how can you magically draw realistic drawings by drawing blind contours and gestures for a year?

>>4076972
The sphere is supposed to form the cranium but you totally ignored it on the left side. The jaw is too wide on one side and the nose is too long.

>>4077089
I do not wish to be mean Anon but there isn't much to critique on this. It is a high-school kid's drawing of a robot(?) in a notebook. I am not even sure if it has a hand or a face or what the parts actually are.

>>4077063
I genuinely think that >>4077051 is gmi

>>4077189
Why?

>>4076569
I posted it on the other thread like 3 days ago and posted it there yesterday wtf

>>4077233

>>4077236
>>4077233
The idea for this came too late, I just sketched these two characters, then after remembered the most beautiful suicide existed. Half assedly made it seem like she killed herself while the other looks at her dead body

>>4077233
Did you have a medieval style in mind when you drew this one?

>>4077051
>>4077199
Assuming they aren't copying the linework of something else.

The structure and anatomy is off but it is nice to look at and seems balanced. You can tell what it is despite there being messiness and cluttered lines.There is an admirable level of detail+restrained detail that makes it balanced.

The lines are done well and seem to have confidence. It is also traditional ink (?) so there is no going back, you must have confidence in the general idea of where you place your lines and roll with it.

It all shows an "artists eye" (soul) despite lacking in some fundamental skills. I think having soul is much much more important in being gmi than just being able to show a good understanding of fundamentals. You learn fundamentals, you have or unlock soul.

>>4077240
Not at all, I found this nice Balenciaga dress from 1956 and tried to replicate it. It turned out to appear to be more of a nun though lol

>>4077241
you know its the first exercise in the sticky right? not his own original idea. just an attempt at an exercise desu

>>4077263
>>4077241
This, ngmi

>>4077263
>>4077277
Oh, I'm retarded

ngmi

>>4077292
Ouch, you gave me some hope but it's okay, I'll make it someday just not today

ngmi is what people say to others when they want to feel good about themselves.

>>4077300
It was a joke, a lot of what I said still applies to your ability to render it. love you, anon

>>4077304
Honestly though. I don't think there is anyone who can't learn how to draw and there isn't anyone who "can't make it". It's just that certain people with certain mentalities and attitudes can't "make it", but changing your attitude and mindset is actually easy.

Basically, if someone is really bad at art, I wouldn't tell them they're "not gonna make it" I would tell them, "On the current path you are on, with the current mindset you are approaching this with, you will not make it, but it is still possible to change that mindset and get on the right path."

Does this style look anime? I know its a meme but i'm trying to develop my own original style

>>4077347
I don't see stylization aside from the head on the right, but yes that one does it reminds me of some of the animators Masaaki hires, good stuff

>>4077342
Would it be safe to say ngmi if we're talking about that guy who started in the early 2000s and haven't improved a bit even to this day?

>>4077355
As I said, it's entirely possible for anyone to "make it". That person in particular just doesn't have the correct mindset and because of that, they won't "make it".

WIP my first actual paint stuff

>>4076993
Something a bit more serious, documenting my head abilities before revisiting Loomis. To be continued, *I'll be the rouuuuund about*

>>4076940
This with Vilppu's method?

>>4076293
What was this advice?

I think anon warned me to post here instead of others. >>4077490
I need critic on a lot of things for improvement. I want to go superior qualities like Realistic Mario, Megaman, DK, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZcNuEQEZYw [Embed] and other artist that made super expert style designs like majority of Pixiv people. I know I'm aiming too high for it, but I'm struggling with the hair for one, and color theory about it.

>>4077403
I admire the dedication but you have a lot of fundamentals to work on, and drawing to improve, before you can start tackling painting

>>4076196
Blind contours are a huge pain in the ass, but it will really help you drawing from what you see, it literally allows you to feel with your eyes

>>4076940
now those are spicy

Got some time to draw and I cry every time

Form of the head and face still fucking my shit up. Same problems with placing the features and getting the sizes right. Eyes always so fuckin massive.

All in all I feel like I just need to get into the habit of using proper refs to figure things out. I know I've made progress and I just need to get in more guided mileage.

Wont be tomorrow, the week or month after but I actually feel like I can do this.

>>4077253
That's actually kinda cool. Need to dip into 40/50's fancy fashion for ideas. Maybe mix it up with some Renaissance flare.

>>4077051
Dw about it bro. It's an exercise. Just do it again.

>>4077010
I'm 10 years older than you and just started a couple months ago so by the time I'm any good I'll be almost 50 if the ten years is correct?

So fucking what lel I enjoy drawing and having begs tell me I'm ngmi and yelling at me to not give advice. The act of drawing is calming to me and I enjoy the process and the 8 likes I get on insta and the fact my wife always tells me I'm doing a great job even when I cannot look a drawing in the eye without weeping. I know the end product isn't great >>4076049 but I cannot, for the life of me, give a fuck (except for finding things to improve, I do wanna get better at it).

I just want to practice and improve and work on always getting one thing right that I didn't before because every time I do something even a tiny bit better it gives me joy.

If art doesn't give you joy why would you waste your precious time on? Find something that does. And if you really wanna get better at art embrace the fucking process. If it'll take you 10 years whether you like it or not, you might as well like it, no?

no keys to drawing exercise in particular, but I needed to figure out how to draw that torso.
Complete with /beg/ish light and shading skills!

>>4077608
This reminds me of ARK survival evolved.

>>4077642
Extremely based and wholesome post
Keep up the good work, anon. We're all gonna make it

Committing these atrocities against such a beautiful model makes me feel like a monster :(
I especially have severe problems with the simple front view, putting things into 3-d space makes it easier for me, don't think I can really do that there.

>>4077789
Illias?

>>4077794
yes, supposed to be anyway...

>>4077632
Hey, you changed how you draw your faces it looks better. Eyebrows are still too distant from the eyes tough.

>>4076448
Looks like you're just trying to feel it out.
putting the object in a box would help and like the other anon said keeping the lines that go in the same direction parallel.
Or you could just start reading a book on perspective and actually use vanishing points.
Not hot shit at it either, but I gave it a go.

>>4077673
Bad reference, subject not entirely visible and relatively extreme perspective.
Blocking in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BqD38TQGjo
And paying attention to negative space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MHLWsaLtWI
might help tho.

>>4077503
To get your started Anon first I encourage you to watch the Foundations of Light and Shadow video series. This is the most simplest way I can think of for someone to explain this topic. It should give you the basic understanding on how light works. Without this basic understanding you will have a hard time creating the same as you have shown in that video.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

Next watch the Understanding Color video to get a bit of ideas on what color's role in the picture and how to use them and pick them. and How NOT to use them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

Watch these and understand what they are about. This is not to say I do not want to critique your work but I feel it would require a great deal of theory to explain and it is better if we just get you acquainted with it first.

Good luck!

>>4077796
Excellent choice my man.

It's close enough that I know the model and images you used. Mostly because I used the same ones and you'rs are actually better. Just keep it up.

Also experiment and look at how other people go about drawing the head and face. Maybe you'll find something that just clicks a little more.

>>4077799
Thanks man. As well as the issue I already mentioned I seem to be afraid of placing the eyebrows on the actual brow line. Like I have an aversion to 'drawing outside the box'.