/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioE_O7Lm0I4

ok i have the loomis pdf's and plan to learn to draw in anime style after fun with a pencil are the learn to draw manga books a good start the old ones by the society of manga techniques.

>>4067473
kek, these fucking OP images

>>4067473
How can I get better at drawing lips? I'm mostly where I wanna be (in context of having been drawing for 8 weeks 1-2 hrs a day) as long as I focus on not symbol drawing but lips drive me crazy. I cannot seem to get any depth and they're always skewed.

How do I fix this?

>>4067498
needs more Loomis

euguguugH FUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!

>>4067516
You need to put value in ordee to portray lips correctly
Also draw bigger.

>>4067531
This makes so much sense. Don't know why it never clicked. Thank you.

Magically my autistic construction keeps fucking with the gesture and position of the limbs. I failed to understand the perspective of the legs and keep drawing arms pushed too far outward.

>>4067559
Reference.

>>4067559
And just for good measure, here’s a shitty character sketch I did from imagination. Did it on the go, so excuse the lined paper.

>>4067516
>>4067508

>>4067559
Your forms aren't following your gesture lines at all, make sure your forms always come back to meet with those long axis/gesture lines

>>4067574>>4067559

have you ever followed any advice given to you?

>>4067580
Thanks a lot my dude. I swear I started from having all those lines parallel but everytime I work on a drawing these things kinda get away from me and I get lost in other things.

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind. I'll try to reconfirm everything's aligned more often while drawing.

>>4067590
I am inclined to say yes as my stuff looked even worse before I got a few particularly perceptive crits here. Have any of your own?

>>4067606
yeah try actually following the advices, you keep making the same mistakes, the bad anatomy has been the same, you don't follow your own construction or you just put it ther for the sake of doing it, if you think that drawing more is improving you are dead wrong you are just putting out more with the same bare mistakes and the improvement has been almost non existent

>>4067530
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKK!!!!!!!!!

>>4067625
Can you get more specific with the anatomy problems as well?

>>4067530
>>4067630
Dude what are you even doing? You draw like a 4 year old, unironically.
If you aren't merely shitposting/trolling then you need to stop trying to draw humans, and begin at the very very basic such as drawabox and practice making simple figures and forms.

>>4067630
Why are you so mad

>>4067651
>>4067654
These drawing are all from a turbo-sped on the internet, called Ross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCs2kglcOGk

I always laugh at begs because I sort of can draw from real life and refs, but I never constructed stuff. Now, for the first time I'm trying to draw from imagination and vague memory.
I didn't even read loomis yet, just 2 chapters of drawabox. Make fun of and crit my work, please.

Also just throwing out a profile view with as little stylization as I could manage as well. Trying to get rid of the over-loomis type of construction.

>>4067664
>draw from real life and refs, but I never constructed stuff
you don't construct stuff while drawing from ref?

>>4067664
>I sort of can draw from real life
Judging by your drawing here I'm posutivr you don't.

Is there any way to make the gradient tool produce solid lines of color like in the hair of this image? Like instead of the blending gradients do, have just some lines of solid color?

>>4067673
>construct stuff
No, not really. I know about construction from /ic/, but I never seen local (even teachers or good) artists do that, besides others who learn both at art places and from the internet. It seems as if people were mostly drawing from life till they "feel" everything and construction was seen as cheating or tool for animators. Learning in eastern euro.

>>4067679
So what's wrong? Mind explaining.

>>4067683
Posterize filter can do this. However, it'd probably be better to just draw it out yourself as it gives more control.

>>4067673
No, and unless you're specifically practicing construction, you shouldn't*. Construction and anatomy are what you use to ensure that what you draw from imagination is appropriately lifelike and accurate (insofar as you want to appear that way). I don't think it should be recommended to /beg/s and desu I think it's bad that /ic/ recommends it as often and readily as it does.

*IMO, better to use tracing paper and reconstruct a figure over a ref to guarantee correctness as good practice

>>4067683

Both in Clip Studio and Photoshop you can adjust the gradient color sliders falloff. It's also possible to do in post with a gradient map.

Where's that guy who always berates posts but never posts his work

who should I watch/read if I want to draw gestures and bodies?

>>4067849
Would that really change something? Sometimes you have to take something at face value

I tried to follow anon's advice and start out with gesture,but,as time went on, I feel like I made it look like I was following the contour and I think it looks like garbage so far (even if you ignore the arms and shoulders)

I should probably move on to something else,but,because I feel so frustrated trying to successfully draw it,I feel a need to actually finish this until I can move on to something else

What should I do? Should I try to move on to something else?

>>4067858
Yes, actually I agree with your post. If he were to post his work you'd be able to gauge his eye and thus his ability to accurately judge. He'd either be supported or outed as another sufferer of dunning Kruger

/beg/as this might be, some cute 9/10 girl saw me drawing this on the bus and once I finished and started my next drawing she leaned on my shoulder pretending to be asleep but once we got to her destination she magically stood up smiling and went away. Now I'm heart broke she didn't tell me her name.


But I liked trying these poses, a bit more complex than usual.

>>4067888
Oh boy...

>>4067895
Don't you dare imply it's all wrong

>>4067888
There's dedication and hard work, but there's also ignorance. Why the fuck won't you listen to of the advice people give you? Why are your hands still THIS atrocious?

>>4067669
Can you do a study of a portrait or object or anything?

>>4067900
Because I don't understand what's wrong with most of my hands. Only the guy from behind is ugly but that was a hard angle to do,the others look decent to me sorry. There must be something I'm not seeing.


I'll do an anime hands study then

>>4067906
Don't fucking study "anime" hands you stupid underage, study basic anatomy first. Take a look at your own hands then take a close look to every hands you've done so far and tell me that you still don't understand what's wrong with them.

>>4067906
Oh fucking boy, my friend. It seems you have a pretty shaky grasp on reality. Study real hands, not someone else's imitations.

>>4067913
>>4067911
Wtf you're damn right. That image and my own hands, it's day and night. I got too focused in the imagination meme.

I'll do some amazing hands drawings then after practicing

>>4067880
whats your goal with these drawings? learning gesture , anatomy, copy?

>>4067918
Wait this sounds really stupid, I guess I have artistic tunnel vision

>>4067473
My partner commissioned me to do a pallete knife painting of a fast draw duel, but first I wanted to ask what everyone thought of the poses. I think the "winner" character's pose is kind of exaggerated. How can I fix it? He's supposed to be kind of a representation of the genre of Western film, so he's pretty showy and idealistic. How can I express this without making it silly?

>>4067858
are you joking? it changes everything

>>4067885
like proko

>>4067664
Honestly anon I really like that drawing

started scanning for convenience

>>4068003
big yikes

>>4067921
I wanted to copy it

>>4068003
Not a big yikes, I like the gesture and face and everything. You just need more experience with the pencil but I can see it being drawn the exact same way by a pro, just cleaner, and no one would bat an eye.

>>4068019
lol

>>4068003
Why did you delete it

>>4068015
loomis

>>4068025
wasn't good work, didn't feel it was indicative of my abilities. anon made me realize I made myself a buffoon

>>4068026
thanks!

>>4068031
You're free to feel any way about your work, but for the record that anon was being an asshole. Your work has SOUL, as memey as it sounds. When something has soul, flaws can be forgiven.
And it was a better indicative of your ability since it was actually finished I think, >>4068015 as these don't have the full body nor more complex drapery

>>4068036
thank you for the kind words anon, much appreciated. I'll post more work later tonight and try to prevent myself from deleting it this time.

This was from last year when I was trying to get back into the game. Not great but I've actually regressed since then in my most recent attempt to develop some actual skill. Fuckin' hate my life.

True /beg/ here. Goddamn. Just a quick sketch but fuck me it's bad. Wish I had skill. Oh well.

>>4068060
Here you go anon I noticed the drawing struggles in a few areas but I thought I'd help fix some of it up where I could without redrawing the whole thing.
Pay attention to nose width and the shadow that follows on the left side of the nose, right now its just a line. look at the eyes and make sure they're each one eye apart, cause right now they're to close.
Eye brows aren't that blocky, think of the individuals hair as well. for a more life like portrait. the chin isn't as defined as the picture, and the hairs on his hair dont look realistic yet. i'd say work more with value and shadows, and pay attention to proportions. for instance the eyes are heavily shadowed adding a lot of personal character. here's the edit I did just to see what the drawing might of been with some more thinking into the proportions and such.

>>4068115
>>4068115
And you know, it's funny, the drawing I showed was not even the initial one I did. The original picture that I sketched and scanned in was even MORE inaccurate. I really don't know who to draw from reference accurately at all and I actually put some time into that drawing, too. I've gotten worse since then. Thanks for the fix and advice at any rate. I don't think there's much hope for me and I'm coming down from my high of "I'm going to draw again" and starting to feel discouraged/depressed at my lack of skill. Oh well, whatever.

>>4068124
*how to draw from reference accurately

I can barely draw stick figures. Has anyone started at this point and gotten good? Or is art kind of like sports something you’re just naturally good at.

>>4068127
Probably. I did this>>4068060 and this>>4068080 and I don't see how somebody as bad as I am could possibly fucking improve. I want to draw the shit I see in my head and in pictures so badly but I just don't have the talent for it come out as anything but scribbles.

Any tips for stylizing the body?
I tried to keep proportions in mind.

Sorry if image it too large my phone takes large pictures. I can't tell if I had resized it.

>>4068127
This's before is pretty disgusting >>4067066 don't know if it's real anon from here or some is just meme posts it to crab on others

>>4068127
Honestly? Not really. Most people I know who are artists (myself included) started drawing early one, and just did it, because we were drawn to it, even though we had no goals for later on. So when we did start to apply ourselves, we were way past the stick figure stage.
It's not impossible, but I think that natural tendency to draw anyway is key. I've been drawing every day, regardless, and will until I can't hold a pencil. I've never had to force myself. I've been in love with drawing, just the sheer act of doing it, since I could hold a crayon.
I'm not saying it's impossible to learn to fall in love with it, but the odds are against you. I read comments here of "haven't drawn in 5 months", and all I can think is "Then you're not an artist."
Wanting to be an artist isn't the same as being one. It's more than just drawing x amount in a specific time frame. It's way more. If you're not naturally drawn to the activity...I just don't see it happening. You won't be willing to make the sacrifices to get there.
If you want to just learn to draw as a casual hobby, much lower bar, and since you're not going to be seriously goal oriented, sure, why not.

>>4068172
Not him but I started drawing early on, too. Never moved on beyond doodles, though, and I lost my "spark" in 2005. Didn't know how to or where to look to get better. In the last year or so I've wanted to get back into art but I am so frustrated at not being able to draw what I really want to. I can do bizarre characters but I can't draw fine detail, interesting poses, or communicate complicated things. I don't want to give up but I just can't get any fucking better and the idea of grinding a bunch of shit for years only to be marginally better just depresses me. Hate everything about myself.

>>4068127
No NGMI

>>4068179
I was the same way with music. I studied it seriously in high school, alongside art, and finally hit a wall, and couldn't push past. So I made a conscious decision to follow art, and not music, and haven't regretted it.

If you don't have the drive, commitment and passion, why force it? Sure, I wanted to be a musician, but at some point I had to admit it wasn't gonna happen. It's hard to do, and it sucks, but it's for the best.

We're surrounded by "feel good" movies of "just keep trying, it will happen" fairy tales. A kid says "I wanna be an astronaut!" - and works hard as he can, until he doesn't make the cut for the program. That's real life. A movie is him making it. A movie of a kid who washes out before getting into the program, not so entertaining.
It's about being honest with yourself, eventually. If I could guarantee every anon here a future as an artist, I'd give it to them - but I can't. It's just not realistic. Some people are just gonna wash out, no matter how hard they want it.

>>4067724
Cants see shit

>>4067473
Crit me I don’t really know what I’m doing anymore lol

>>4068127
Even with sport it take practice. I started running and gym again after years. I could nearly run five minutes before being winded. But it takes continuous effort and training and learning proper technique. You'll get a little better each time.

>>4068179
>>4068172
I don’t like art as far as stuff in museums but I’ve always liked to draw I’m just god awful at it. To be fair i draw incredibly rarely but it is something I want to improve at vastly.
I just remember as a kid there were always these two people in class that were so good at drawing I’d look at my doodles and think “don’t fucking bother you’re trash lmao”.
Eventually I’d like to be able to draw this album cover or stuff like it but it just seems impossible gauging it off my natural ability. I think the last thing I drew was my runescape character like 10 years ago.

>>4068060
Alright, i'm the same anon who tried to help fix your drawing now I went and did my own drawing of the face to maybe help show you some things that make drawing portraits of just drawing in general easier.

>>4068202
I WANT to get better, you realize that? I want to, but I'm fucking infuriated by the fact that I don't know anything. I don't want to give up but I'm annoyed and discouraged by the years of bullshit I'd have to go through to get where I need to be.

>>4068216
A hell of a lot better than mine. Goddamn.

>>4068202
Replying again but goddamn I think I actually hate you. I don't need this platitudinous verbal diarrhea like "oh you know sometimes things just don't work out like they do in the hollywood movies". I want some actual advice or something. Your shit is just meaningless.

>>4068216
damn, still beg but this is kind of nice. You've got potential

>>4068213
Kind of. "Running" is a low bar to reach. "Winning races as a professional runner" is another.

"Drawing" is a low bar to reach.
"Professional artist" is another.

They're not the same thing. Can you learn to draw? Sure. Can you be an artist? Not necessarily. That's why teaching someone who just wants to learn how to draw is worth it, even if they'll never be an professional artist.

But being a professional artist is more than just learning to draw. It's applying those skills, not just the act. And, to complicate it even more, if someone loves drawing, and does it a lot, I don't care if they call themselves an artist. It doesn't matter. "Artist" covers too much ground as a generic term to get upset about.

>>4068222
Your anger isn't my problem.

>>4068215
>but it is something I want to improve at vastly
Okay, so honest question: what's stopping you from trying to?

That's where the sacrifices come into play. What are you choosing to do instead? And why?

That's not ability, or lack of it. It's your choices.

>>4068228
Your lack of a brain is my problem because I'm having to watch you sit over there and drool while you jerk yourself off and I'm trying to get some substantive guidance here. More than I should have expected from a 4chan board, I guess.

>>4068222
Based bitter talentless begtard

>>4068232
How about suicide? I think it fits you?

>>4068217
>I don't want to give up but I'm annoyed and discouraged by the years of bullshit
There's that sacrifices thing again.

I know you guys don't want to hear it, but I am trying to help, even though I don't think you're going to listen. But what the hell, I'll try anyway.

Understand one thing - I'm not against anyone trying, and never will be. But if I'm going to be honest - well, there's my take on it.

How you react is about you, not me. I hope you can see that, but I'm keeping my expectations low. It's 4chan.

just read the sticky retard, ctfu

>>4068234
Sure, now lead by example.

>>4068235
I'm willing to make sacrifices, only problem is that I'm frustrated that I didn't make them already. Does that make sense?

>>4068232
Well, your anger and childish insults certainly fit in well on 4chan. I haven't called you a name, or insulted you, but you choose to go off on a rant and insult me.

Why the fuck would I offer guidance to you, after that?

>>4068237
>I'm willing to make sacrifices, only problem is that I'm frustrated that I didn't make them already. Does that make sense?
Kind of. So, the next step is...will you?

I did. That's what I'm talking about. Are you? It's a big commitment, and sacrifice. I get that it's a big step to take - but I think your situation isn't the one I was addressing.

>>4068238
I'm bitter and not where I want to be in life and you aren't bitter and clearly happy with where you are, and I don't like that and that bitterness is just heightened when people like you say "well maybe it just wasn't meant to be lol". Simple as that.

>I want to be a famous artist and reap the attention and benefits from that!
>...but I don't want to put in the work for it...woe is me!
>by the way fuck you guys and this place!
lol eat shit kid

What are some good exercises to fix the «my drawing looks like shit after inking» syndrome , i feel like all my hard work went to shit just because im shit at inking the damn thing

>>4068248
I don't want fame or attention or money from doing this. I just want to draw things that I don't hate to look at for once.

>>4068251
Lmao thats just a self esteem issue , then just do a couple of drawing that you know you are gonna like 100% no matter the outcome , for me its lips and noses , i really like how they turn out when i draw them , why not try something simmilar , even if its a stick figure , or hell just a line ,doesnt even have to be a straight one

>>4068258
I don't mean specific distinct parts of the body when I say "things", I was referring to my drawings in general. I hate my shit to death and I can't express what I see in my imagination to save my life.

>>4068246
How is any of this our problem?

>>4068264
Keep drawing or don't, retard. Nobody is forcing you, you don't have to be a professional

>>4068264
You need therapy, not art class.

>>4068231
No you’re right. I went out and bought a notebook last night and I’ve been practicing Loomis. Drawing has just always been one of those things I wish I was good at but every time I start to practice I perform so terribly that I just decide to spend my time doing stuff that doesn’t wreck my confidence like music or my other hobbies.
I’m trying to stick with it this time but if I’m not almost immediately good at something when I try it I normally quit. I drew for 3 hours today though so it’s a start.

>>4068264
What i was triying to say is that for you to get out of that mentality and start gtting in a better flow you should raise your self esteem by drawing something that you are sure its gonna turn up good , even if its meaningless and simplystic

>>4068264
Pd no one can really express 100% what they see in their heads , you think you are seeing an image but its just a concept

>>4068271
I agree, platitudes and mind-melting medication that makes your dick go limp and turns you into a zombie are the solution to everything.

>>4068275
I get what you mean now, but I would really like to improve on a lot of things and at the moment it seems very daunting. I'm not even sure how somebody can even draw some of these things to begin with, like fine detail of hair, clothes, etc. I never really tried to draw fine detail, or at least learn to draw it well.

>>4068280
Who said anything about medication. Oh, that's right, you just want free ass pats and "secrets" to skip past the actual work your goals require.

I think your free (you) supply just ran dry.

>>4068291
>Oh, that's right, you just want free ass pats and "secrets" to skip past the actual work your goals require.

And you're telling me I need therapy when you must have voices in your head telling you this nonsense, because certainly nobody in here ever said anything like that. Least of all me. Anyhow, talk is cheap, especially yours.

Tell this shithead to post his awful work and get it over with already

>>4067473
Did a little sketch of it hopefully it helps seeing something mines to the right.

>>4068301
Ballpark. You're missing a couple of subtle things, mostly that her hips are skewed from the shoulders, towards her left, and her left knee is more forward because of it - and the pelvis is tilted down to the left. and pushed out to the right, and all her weight is on the right foot. You have the neck too far back, and...well, that's as far as I need to go. You're in the right direction, study the actual form, alongside breaking it down for construction. Her torso isn't straight, the shoulders and hips are skewed, and you're not showing that. Start there, and try again. It's an awkward pose, and it's not the best pose to be working from, at this level.

Ok maybe this is a good place to make this post, I have been wanting to get into art for awhile. I have no aspirations but I have this idea in my mind that if I can draw stuff that I find 'good' id have a reason to live. But I cant really draw for fun, I don't really know what to do, im definitely not gonna be able to practice at all if I cant even have fun doing it, idk where im going with this post but, maybe someone has something to say

>>4068311
Exact same feeling anon. I really like fantasy settings and I’d like to be able to draw things like knights, dragons etc but it’s not something I can just do. It’s what I find good but I’ve just been practicing how to draw figures and hoping eventually I get to the point I feel comfortable drawing things like armor or whatever. Idk where I’m going with this post either but I hope you can find th motivation to draw

Sorry for the freak out, folks. Just annoyed with myself and my life and taking it out on other people. And my apologies to the guys I insulted, you didn't deserve that. I'll keep working.

>>4067321
any input for this?

Platitudinous

>>4068317
Yea work on your line work, your rendering is looking decent but focus on the fundies

>>4068250
Pls vros

>>4068311
From the outside looking into art I've always hated it. I hated art class in school and I thought it was boring. However one day while I was consuming all sorts of media I thought to myself if I could make something so pretty or cool looking stuff that I see online or in video games. So I started drawing people,animals and other stuff was really fun but then I saw magnificent pieces of art. Beautiful sculptures, majestic paintings, and even messy sketches of the old masters were inspiring.The further I dove in the bigger it gets. By no means that I want to climb to the top of the art world. I just want to be able to leave something behind that could inspire at least one person to pick up the pencil, that lump of clay or even that wilting paintbrush like other artists did to me. I know its pretty cheesy but it's what keeps me going everyday. Plus you get to draw and look at naked women a lot of the time.

>>4068202

Get off your high horse. Some people take breaks or are discouraged quickly. Not everyone has the same self esteem or encouragement that some people have. Some don't have much talent and need to push a lot harder for the same results.

>>4068127
>I can barely draw stick figures. Has anyone started at this point and gotten good?
Everyone started at that point, anyone who claims otherwise has just been drawing for so long, or at such an early age that they've forgotten.
Pic related, despite having drawn as a kid and teenager the before stuff is what it looked like when I picked up drawing again in my twenties.

>Or is art kind of like sports something you’re just naturally good at.
Sports arn't like that, or fitness isn't in any case.
Sports is like drawing in the sense that in the beginning it might be the hardest. Since you have all the pain and frustration from putting in effort, but none of the returns yet.

From your other posts it's pretty clear that frustration and bitterness are your real problems. I had a lot of issues letting go of that as well and i've only been able to make any real progress since doing that.
I never believed in talent, but now I think that maybe the people we view as talented, are just people who's desire naturally outweighs their frustration.

>>4068139
>I don't see how somebody as bad as I am could possibly fucking improve. I want to draw the shit I see in my head and in pictures so badly but I just don't have the talent for it come out as anything but scribbles.
You can do it man. Every day it gets a little easier and at some point you hit a stage where you don't want to gouge out your eyes anymore.
On that note https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2_Mn-qRKjA

Absolute total beginner here, how long should work on getting over symbol drawing? How will I truly know I've learned to not do it?
Also, is it recommended I grind drawing the basic shapes listed in the sticky? I really want to dedicate myself to this.

>>4068324
Yeah thats pretty good, glad to hear, dunno maybe I just need to try it more to find why I have these feelings and get the motivation.

>>4068326
>From your other posts it's pretty clear that frustration and bitterness are your real problems. I had a lot of issues letting go of that as well and i've only been able to make any real progress since doing that.

I'm the guy who blew up a bit earlier and I just figured I'd defend the honor of stick figure guy and say that I'm not him. I can do a little better than sticks but not by much, I never, ever moved beyond "doodle" territory and to be honest with you drawing something larger than what can fit on a sheet of notebook paper intimidates the hell out of me.

>>4068326
Anyway, thanks for the advice. I'm having a hard time thinking positively, especially with how old I am and some of the tragic shit that's happened in my life, but maybe I'll find a way.

>>4068325
None of that has anything to do with what I'm saying. Stop being offended over something you misunderstand.

>>4068327
what is symbol drawing

>>4068333

Sounds like you just give up fast and never try again. Defeatist attitude

ngmi

>>4068335
Drawing a simplified version of reality as opposed to what you really see.

>>4068337
I'm a published artist. But you tried.

>>4068349

Yeah me too me too

pyw

>>4068349
PYW you lying sack of shit. Everyone knows you won't. Pathetic. But keep dreaming sweaty

>>4068368
>>4068369
Why is this board so negative? Figured of all places on 4channel it’s be the most upbeat

>>4068368
>>4068369
SEETHING.

>>4068369
How does you being angry prove anything? I'va had art published, I work professionally as an illustrator and graphic designer. And no, I'm not posting my work, I'm not doxxing myself on 4chan. I've been posting here a while, you must be new (and very, very, very angry).

Now, would you like to try and discuss how I'm wrong, or would you to prefer lashing out like a child who got told "no" to a toy at the store?

>>4068371
I'm sick of crabby bags talking out their assholes and claiming to be better than anyone while posting nothing to show for it. There should be a picture of your best artwork tied to your iP
Address for this board

>>4068374
Im not even the original anon i Just hate pyw Dodgers

>>4068376
My “artwork” is so awful jannies would sweep me away and I could never post again. It’d up the quality of the board probably though so not a bad idea

>>4068374

So you dont have a single piece that wont dox you? Lol LARP

Pyw

>>4068210
you need more loomis, her ribcage is too small/short and her arms look like sausages face isnt that bad but you made her neck almost as thick as her face which is kinda the right proportions for a 3dpd but for animu it looks like shit cus the small eyes

tldr:loomis

>>4068381
>My “artwork” is so awful jannies would sweep me away and I could never post again.
Neither of these faggots, but it can't be that bad. I've had at least half a dozen bans from my work and the bans are for breaking global rules something something outside of /b/

>>4068386
>spouts loomis and redlines
>face still flat despite using construction
>even the construction was flat
The dunning kruger effect is very real.

>>4068388
>can't feel the forms in the redline

NGMI

>>4068386
looks like you need loomis yourself my friend

these are the anons critiquing your artwork

>>4068386
Looooooool
Don't worry there was a redline last thread that got laughed out of the thread too and deleted

>>4068384
okay fagtron what now

>>4068393
>>4068392
*SNIB*
PYR(post your redlines)

yeah though so

>>4068396
Is that the futurama lobster

>>4068392
That is why it is essential to question every little faggot you see on this board and always demand to post work. If they don't, that just means they're full of shit it is as simple as that.

>>4068402
I was there when this happened

>>4068392
>can't point out any single mistake
>you need " LE EBIN LOOMIS XD"

>>4067702
God, that is wonderful. Thank you anon. I think you're right about drawing it out is better, but having this posterize option is nice.

>>4067720
thanks!

I am a begginer in digital coloring. I do not use references, but I am aware this looks like it was filled in by a kid.
Would any kind sould link me to good rendering tutorials and advice? much appreciated.

>>4068329
>I never, ever moved beyond "doodle" territory and to be honest with you drawing something larger than what can fit on a sheet of notebook paper intimidates the hell out of me.
I think I understand.
Not sure if it's entirely the same, but i used to have a similar problem.
Too much of my self-worth was invested in being an artist, everytime something didn't turn out exactly as i wanted to it really crushed me, to a degree that was completely unreasonable and out of proportion.
I became paralyzed, unable to try anything new or push myself (still have that tendency to a lesser degree), out of fear of that next stab to the gut.
Also feeling lost in the woods in regards to how to progress while everyone else seemed to have a roadmap bugged the hell out of me, so eventually I just quit in despair.
Picking it up again 7 years later as an old man, and still being a total /beg didn't feel good either^^
But I learned how to deal with frustration and expectation, so the experiance was still a lot better.
Hope you figure out what you're dealing with buddy.

>>4068330
>I'm having a hard time thinking positively, especially with how old I am and some of the tragic shit that's happened in my life, but maybe I'll find a way.
I can relate, especially with the being old part.
Focusing on art is hard enough without having shit hanging over your head. You'll find a way man, maybe not today or tomorrow, but in your own time.

some more figure studies, loomis was too hard for me so i've been grinding bridgmans lately

>>4068445
based phoneposter

>>4068210
>>4068412
>>4068386
The biggest problem is the face is fucked
>eyes are too far apart
>eyes do not track across the form of the face
>ear is too small and too low on head
>nose is too small and too close to right eye
>mouth is far too small even for animu
>not feeling the form

>>4068453
the thing is that the face is stylized, if you want to compare it to a regular human body then the whole thing is wrong

idk why did you kept the same proportions for the chest and torso, the chest should be lower

>>4068458
I didn't try to make it realistic. Many anime artists use a modified Loomis head method from what I've seen because its basicly an idiot proof way of getting a decently proportioned head. Besides you can't say "its muh style" when you're a beg even if you're drawing anime. At that the fucked up proportions is mostly just from not knowing how to draw, not style.

>>4067719
Why do you think construction isn't good for beginners?

Wanted to step away from studying anatomy and attempt some different types of shading. Any general critique is appreciated.

>>4068280
Go get a psychoanalysis, preferably by someone who enjoys Jung's work

>>4068301
Now that's what I call improvement, but I don't see many long axis/gesture lines, you must use them to your advantage!

>>4068485
Misaki?

>>4068489
Yes hello

>>4068468
lmao you don't even know what stylization is about, especially when you are doing an stylized drawing like sd the loomis shit goes out of the window but you still keep some basic stuff, the only thing that remain is to make it look feasible to eyes of the viewer, a lot of artist break what it's supposed to be correct but they also modify different parts to keep some kind of balance.

also im not criticizing you because you used the loomis head but because you are implementing all that construction without keeping in mind the stylization, maybe anon tried something like pic related but fucked up some things in the way.

>>4068502
i meant to post this pic, but that pic is also very stylized technically putting eyes that close shouldn't be done but still looks appealing because the nose,ear placement of the eyes has changed to make it so

>>4068508
and this pic, the eyes are too far apart if you were to measure it with normal proportions but by making the nose and face larger it doesn't look that bad if you were to use a regular face proportions the eyes gape would be more notorious and feel anatomically wrong

TIL that people shouldn't construct while drawing from life. Holy moly Vilppu, Huston and Loomis must be turning in their graves right now hahahaha

Hey /beg/, I just started taking draw requests and someone recently requested me to draw their OC. What im wondering is, is it okay to post the finished work on my art page or would that be a problem for the owner? Im not trying to take credit for the creation of this guy's dumpy OC or anything, I just want credit for my art. Maybe a water mark would sufice instead? I do it for free btw.

>>4068522
why don't you ask him first,retard

>>4068453
>That garbage redline
You never learn do you?

>>4067559
Your pose doesn't match the reference at all. Its contro posto pose. Hips are tilted shoulders are tilted. One bent leg one straight leg one straight arm one bent. You have the hips tilting in the opposite to the reference and 2 bent legs. Try phantom sketching over the reference key lines, like shoulder line. Hip line, etc. Nice form overall just inaccurate

>>4068522
Where do you take request? And what for?

Tell me what yall think of the throw away.
I really just want (you)'s

Ima post something i really want yall to crit in like 2 secs

>>4068526
post your redline faggot!

>>4068546
No, faggot!

>>4068522
Make a account just for request!!
Because some people are just leeches who only hang onto your account for more request. Everytime you mention request they are always the first ones to reply. Even when you asked for commissions they complain about getting more free request......
I just had a bad experience with offering request once.

ive noticed that my characters are always in the same 2 or 3 poses. how do i come up with interesting poses that show the butt?

>>4068471
This is very cool , im not good enough to give any criticism , but i like it a lot , i might dowload it

>>4068226
>You've got potential to do standard portrait studies
Has the general level of /beg/ gotten so low that it's become just like reddit, where people suck and praise any kind of portraits drawn from photos?

>>4068575
Look up reference anon
Even the naughty kind

>>4068522
Stop taking requests early now so it doesn't bite you in the ass when you want to make cash from your work later
Requestfags are usually neets or literal children that won't buy comms no matter how low your prices are
Also, you should be drawing for yourself not for somebody else

Trying to do some head studies

>>4068326
I got to that episode three days ago in the car, went for a run yestarday for the first time in 2 years, been lurking this board since too wanting to get back to drawing too and youre so right its all the same. Ima go for a run and draw when i get home. Thanks anon

Are there any ways to simplify a human head other than "head is a sphere"? I might be retarded because I can't use it for some reason. It just feels so wrong.

>>4068751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>4068751
something like this, perhaps?

>>4068751
head is a skull.

>>4068812
Eggman

>>4068831
>he thinks the head is a sphor

I'm trying to do drawabox's countour lines. I feel like I'm fucking up. I struggle with drawing the "wide" contour lines. I just can't get the curved lines to be wide.

>>4068516
Can you explain why?

>>4068729
Tried to a study with a brush pen for once man it's hard as fuck

>>4068725
Those brow lines are looking nice, hard stuff to do

>>4068516
I don't really construct when drawing from life but I do put plumb lines and landmarks, does it count as constructing?

>>4068872
Yes, now you must kys for going against what one anon thinks

>>4068854
what

>>4068756
>>4068812
I'll look into these, thanks
>>4068832
I guess you can just draw it from every conceivable angle a few dozen times and just memorize its shape with all the nuances.

>>4067473
Some portraits from imagination. Help me improve, /ic/. What am I missing?

inb4: more live portraits. I mean, I'm obviously gonna continue doing that.

>>4068869
I feel you anon. Keep tryin!

>>4068854
like this?

>>4068891
not so bad,but these ramdon marks around the face are they scars or what also flip your canvas

Is this good bros

>>4068919
Thanks for the red line bro. Much appreciated. I need to find a way to "flip the convas" when drawing with pencil. I wonder if there's an app that can do it for me.

The lines you pointed out are mostly construction stuff I forgot or didn't bother to clean up. I like to have a lot of lines going over forms to help me visualize it better.

>>4068956
I wouldn't mind taking a dip with them. They seem to be enjoying themselves.

>>4068904
>NEGRO XD

>>4068516
I don't know any artists who use construction while drawing from life, they'll just drop lines to indicate boundaries and axis. Those authors and the books you're thinking of are specifically on teaching construction, not just accurate life drawing. Loomis specifically begins his book on figure drawing by saying it's for imaginative work, and separate from drawing from life.
>"... especial value to the layout man and to the artist for the preparation of prelimanary sketches, roughs, the setting down of ideas, suggestions of actions and pose, where the figure must be drawn WITHOUT THE USE OF MODELS ON COPY."

He then separates sections on doing construction from sections on drawing from life and gives different instructions for each.

How'd I do

>>4069002
FBI will be at your door in 10 minutes.

>>4068527
>>4067589
Thanks anons. Will try to apply this.

>>4067905
I did do this skull I didn't post before because I kinda half assed the shading.

>>4069011
How did this not rotate properly? Will this do?

>>4069011
Draw from life anon, not from photos
Try to draw an item on your shelf or something and DON'T use your usual construction lines, in fact do do any
Doing a fresh start is 100% going to be benificial to you

>>4069014
is that from imagination?

>>4069027
Of course it isn't, anon.

>>4069023
Not a whole lot of cool stuff I can draw on my desk, but will try. I'll have to get to drawing backgrounds and stuff sooner or later.

>>4069033
buy a 0.3 mechanical pencil that will solve your hard strokes and your bad construction at some small degree unironically

>>4068585
Thanks!

>>4068870
wdym?

>>4067473
I'm drawing the 250 boxes exercise.
I got few problems:
Is it something I'm supposed to complete before moving onto the next chapters? At the rate I'm drawing it'll take at least a bit longer than a week and the major problem is that - I don't really "feel" perspective this way and all I did observe is that the "back" (red) should result from the green lines being correct and that's all. Should I read something meanwhile before drawing 200 more boxes? Drawing over wavy line was much better - I really felt 3D even if technically I have numerous problems for anything that isn't roughly isometric towards the viewer.

>>4069048

Or Pentel Orenz Nero 0.2mm

>>4067473
I tried to construct models from references using Hamptons methods. Any input by any chance?

Backs are really giving me a hard time right now - I need to look into them further.

And into everything else....

>>4067473
whoever made that 'pic' folder from like, 2 years ago that had those inspirational shit and /beg/ stuff I'd like to genuinely thank you from the bottom of my heart for making it

>>4069325
>doesn't post the folder
N G M I

>form intersections
I understand the logic of this. I understand I have to create "holes" since the two shapes can't occupy the same space.
What I don't get is how to do it. Or what I'm supposed to draw. Or what to look for. The instructions might as well have been russian.

>>4069342
dude, i've long completely changed the folder. I've added so much shit that I've found from Artstation to Instagram to threads from other boards and shit so I'm not sure if anyone would find it helpful but me. I'll look for the original link to the file in the archives or something

>>4068709
>>4068569
>>4068523

I appreciate the advice Anons

>>4069342
ok I can't fucking find it, so what I'll do is make a copy of it all and put only the original files within it. Once I'm finished I'll post a link to the file here

>>4069380
based

like the boxy feel but how do you translate it onto a female figure?

>>4069408
second one i did

Why does every single fucking beginner book or resource always do this
>Step one: Draw the rest of the fucking owl
bullshit? I can't draw shit. Actually tell me how to do it. Actually tell me dimensions, or what to look at, or what to do instead of
>just copy this thing
Fuck this bullshit. Is there any beginner book that actually teaches a beginner?

Yes, I know I'm a worthless brainless retard. That's the point. None of these damn resources are designed for the braindead. It's all "just copy this thing, no I won't tell you how to do it, just do it lol".

>>4069422
I feel like you dont actually like drawing, the act of putting a line down with a pencil or whatever, and this anger towards books and teachers is just coping. For example your pic is pretty self explanatory and easy to copy, im sure youd be able to do it if you stopped being so fucking assblasted.
>Yes, I know I'm a worthless brainless retard.
youre not, you just gotta do a reality check and decide if drawing is actually what you want to do

>>4069400
here you go: https://mega.nz/#!nuQWgKIa!ddwFV_vdUwOHptuu-Ovba8g5lTeFOyIt4R0GvwmerjI
sorry it took a while, google drive takes fucking forever to zip my edited version and Mega even longer to upload. I accidently left out the original machine-related folder so I have it here: https://mega.nz/#!TqYmRIwD!BjBedOwGuMjC_Q87WdRxo8vZ6x9Lw74cIk9dLyFlvmc
The file is a really, REALLY cut version of the one I actually have. I've been collecting reference and shit for close to 2 years now, and if you want I can give you the kinda unorganized version of it that I use currently, but be warned its about 2 gigs large

>>4069422
If you don't know how to copy then learn how to. Read keys to drawing.
If that's still too advanced for you then just give up.

>>4069432
>I feel like you dont actually like drawin
Of course I don't. Every single line and mark is make is wrong. It's not helped by books making arbitrary shapes or lines without explaining where to place said lines. That's all Loomis does: Make a line, but I won't tell you how! Or what to look for!
>your pic is pretty self explanatory and easy to copy
Except it isn't. He makes an arbitrary line in the middle of the hall? Why does he do it? Why does he draw it where he does? Nobody knows! So mindlessly make a shitty copy instead of learn what to do.
>if drawing is actually what you want to do
I want to draw. I want to become good. I want to make drawings. I don't want to be beaten on the ground while I bleed to death. I don't want to be told to do a task without knowing what to do or how to do it.
>>4069449
I don't know how to copy since none of the alleged beginner books actually tell me what to do. They don't tell me how long the lines should be, or the proportions. Just "redraw this image, somehow".

>>4069465
Draw the image, look at what you did wrong, do it again keeping in mind what you did wrong

>>4069465
>of course i dont like drawing
Well that was quick wasnt it? Change hobby, get fit or some shit like that. You dont have the patience to even copy from fun with a pencil and you outright say you dont get it, like how can you not get how to copy something? Perhaps you are confusing your “inability to copy“ with lack of muscle memory

>>4069321
I think you are pretty good Anon! Way better than me.

>>4069517
are you using a ref? the anatomy is some Frankenstein shit right here

>>4069530
no ref, im not that incompetent as to mess up with something to look at.

aimless friday doodles while trying to pick between wackin it, vidya, and working on something
fuuuuuck college starts monday noooo i don't wanna use my brain again

>>4067473

It's been a while since I last did one of these, but here it is.

>>4067473
nothing to contribute but I made this today, you guys might have a use for it

>>4069608
kek

>>4069580

>>4069517
>>4069530
>are you using a ref? the anatomy is some Frankenstein shit right here.
Is it actually?
It's a bit simple without much anatomical detail (which is what you'd want from a normal female figure, no?), however proportions seem right.
If anything the only thing really sticking out to me is that poorly foreshortened arm and unaturally twisting right foot.
Redline maybe for us plebs who can't see what's so terrible about it? that is if you actually know what you're talking about.

>>4069580
These are pretty bad, have a look at some gesture instruction by different people, the go to guy is vilppu tho.
Might just be too early for you actually, until you trained your observation skills to judge distances, angles, relationships properly.

>>4069600
These are pretty good.
In some places the line gets a bit away from you, messing with your measurements.
Overall you do well in describing things simply, but especially from the shorter ones it seems to me like you're trying to approach things to complexly right from the get go, which you can kinda get away with in the longer ones since you have more time.

>>4069569
flip your canvas

>>4069642
>flip paper

>>4069642
K now what?

>>4069517
I think it's your perspective, not your anatomy. The hips are almost facing forward while the torso is facing mostly left. If you twist the hips and legs to match it it'll look a lot better. Also use a horizon line and some perspective guides to make sure it all matches up.

This I something I've been working on, It's not the best thing ever, but I tried quite hard on it. Probs need to work through loomis again but I'd still appreciate a crit,. :)

xcvxcv

>>4069651
not him but use a mirror

>>4068641
No you dumb faggot, his value has potential, you bitter talentless crabfag. post your atrocious laughable work or shut the fuck up you little jealous bitch

>>4069627
Where do you get the vilppu courses?

Fucked up the proportions but still kinda proud of the rendering and such.

It's pretty unfinished though.

>>4069715
This looks sick, was it from imagination

>>4069739
Completely, in some areas is noticeable

>>4069708
Theres a bunch of videos on youtube should be easy to find.
You should also be able to find a pdf of his drawing manual pretty easily.
apart from that i think he does/ did courses on new masters academy if you have the money.

Can't say this was a lot of fun. Do you guys get your references for color studies from somewhere in particular? I didn't really know what to look for so I chose some famous movie shots.

I'm thinking of using screenshots from animated films or food photos next time since I didn't really like the colors on these ones.

>>4069671
thank you so much anon, I see it now

>>4069763
If it's not fun you shouldn't do it. Try from life, but your method was ok too

I want to gauge where I am right now and get feedback. How can I test myself in that regard?

Hello i made some Froslass drawings, friends.
This is basically my version of fundies. I really hate doing the the stuff in art books even though i desperately need to study the fundamentals. Here i used the image on the bottom right as a reference, then i drew some Froslass from imagination, trying to draw some interesting angles. Then i decided to give each one a unique light source to practice my rendering skills.

>>4069796
the absolute state of Pokemon

>>4069799
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THIS

>>4069801
im probably just a boomer for thinking this but remember when pokemons used to represent animals or something and it kinda had something based of but now it's just a mix of everything

>>4069807
Froslass is from gen4 you retard

>>4069810
im talking about vanilla pokemon when ash got his free pikashit

I can't draw, roast me

>>4069847
I tried to draw Shannen Doherty and ended up with Cynthia Rothrock. Kind of funny, actually.

would like tips for improving the eyes.

>>4069847
look at it this way, theres a guy who posts his art every day, he's put like 100 paintings up on here, and this drawing is miles better than what that guy does. keep practicing and you'll improve bro

>>4069902
Thanks, I'll keep it up.

>>4069902
Lmao this guy's right, Jimmy hasn't improved in the past year and a half. The power of gridders...

I don't do gesture/simple figure stuff often enough and I'm trying to build a habit of it

>>4069807
Froslass is based off a yokai called the Yuki-onna just look it up for yourself

>>4069315
Bump maybe?

>>4069810
That's his fucking point. Can't you read?

>>4069651
The image is scanned. Just mirror the scan in paint.

How do I even go about practicing for more than an hour a day? I can do tutorials and then do that, then I don't know what to do since they're at most 30mins to an hour. I've tried repeating the tutorials over and over again but it just gets boring and I don't improve.

>>4069715
It eerily reminds me of Darkwood. Pretty cool.

>>4070062
1. Practicing isn't following a tutorial. There are courses in the video thread that are 30+ hours long. Do one of those.
2. Take what you've learnt and try to apply it again and again and again until someone here finally says you did it right.
3. Learn something else.

>>4070077
Holy shit that video thread is amazing. Thanks a lot anon.

>>4068421
>not having a roadmap
This is definitely my biggest worry. Did you ever figure one out or is it just being led forward by your gut? I feel like I need a legit teacher/mentor to fulfill that need.

>>4069534
yes you are

>>4070151
Put your arm over your head in the same position and look in the mirror. The arm is way to long from the shoulder to the elbow

>>4070160
looks fine?

>>4069682
Still just drawing faces I see>>4069682

>>4069902
who

My first time using a fineliner ... might have gone overboard

Honestly, that was my first drawing with color pencils. I'm not sure how to add lights/shadows with crayons. I dont know how to mix them.I have 18 color pencils so i think I can use them well

>>4070185
Youu looled at your drawing more than you looked at the reference

>>4070211
>Youu looled at your drawing more than you looked at the reference
I don't follow

just finished whaddya think

>>4070213
You looked at your drawing more than you looked at the reference, resulting in a lot of disprportionate parts.
The S word if you will.

>>4070244
I see, I was mostly doing it to practice hatching. "S Word" ?

>>4070249
Symbol drawing, and yeah obviously I noticed that, but it never hurts to go all the way in even for a little practice session!

>>4070166
yea, hard for me to always try for a figure/body, but I've been doing them more than usual. when doodling at work though i just do some random minute faces

>>4068956
this is probably the best and most appealing drawing of faces i've ever seen from a fellow beg shitter in these threads. hope i can get like this some day

Are my proportions alright? I want to keep practicing heads and faces before moving on to the body and such (although I've studied gestures and figure drawing a bit lately)
I think the game plan right now is to go over Huston's head drawing course again, and practice some facial features from styles that I find aesthetic

>>4070273
It's just a normal fucking study of pic related dude, it looks okay but it's far from being an actual good study, raise your standards a bit you can get to the point of being able to draw something like his drawing pretty fast

>>4070298
How does that change what I said? You sure as fuck aren't posting anything better, and probably never have, have you? Some of you bitterly jealous fucks drive me crazy

>>4070311

>>4070307
>bitterly jealous
Because copying in white and black of a black and white photo is oh so hard, you're right I'm LITERALLY SHAKING because I can't reach this level of skill.
I just wanted to tell that you can do what he did easily but looking at your autistic sperging and your very low standards you're just a shitter who won't put the effort to just fucking draw.

>>4070404
i waited for you anon. i knew you'd seethe and desparately spend hours in an attempt to own me with a chickenshit /beg/ as fuck scribble and you did not disappoint.
what an embarrassingly bad case of dunning kruger you've got there. you are nowhere near the skill, albeit still low, shown in that other anon's artwork you delusional failure

>>4070415
I just whipped out something I did over a year ago but whatever, I did expect you to say I'm trash no matter what I posted though. I'm not the one sperging out thinking doing SIMPLE FUCKING STUDIES is hard and dreaming to some day actually drawing, reading to realize that it's actually pretty simple to do.

>>4070424
>Says I don't draw
>Yet can't post anything more recent than " over a year ago "
Fucking lying begshit. I am done here. Do not reply to me again.

>>4070425
You want recent? I got you retard. Done two months ago as I stopped doing photo studies because they are meaningless to me.
Funny how you describe my drawing as scribbly /beg/ trash while praising the other drawing even though the lines are very messy and faces are all warped up compared to the reference used.
You can throw insults and buzzwords all you want, you're still seething out with absolut shit standards.
I'm done here as well, I wasted enough time and I'm going back to drawing, unlike you. Despite your shitty attitude I still firmly believe that doinc simple studies IS easy.

I think that I did something wrong. How do I avoid some of the bad habits that made drawings look crap?

>>4069627
>but especially from the shorter ones it seems to me like you're trying to approach things to complexly right from the get go
I totally forgot I had to start real simple with the 1 min poses. I was wondering why I found myself running out of time. I do have some trouble with proportions sometimes, but hopefully I'll get better by keeping at it.

Thanks for your feedback anon.

>>4069789
Thanks for your advice anon. I'm worried I might burn out from trying to do everything. I'll try to take it slow and enjoy it. I'll probably stick to references though, since I'm working on digital.

Thank you again.

>>4070096
>Did you ever figure one out or is it just being led forward by your gut?
I didn't really have a gut feeling, I legitimately couldn't tell what was good and what was crappy instructions.
So I started out just reading and watching anything I could get my hands on. There was enough hidden in the muck to eventually develope a gut feeling tho. Still also wasted a lot of time reading complete shit by people who don't know anything.
A large problem was also, that I didn't really know where I wanted to go. "Just getting better" is a bit too abstract.
So I set myself arbitrary goals like getting good at figures.
But it's like every little bit that you pick up illuminates it a little more, making it clearer where you have to go.
I think it's again one of those things where people have the advantage who just jump in without overthinking it.

ctrl+paint had a roadmap once if I remember correctly but I can't find it atm.
But their video library focuses on the basics and is in pretty logical order, so you could use that as a roadmap.

>I feel like I need a legit teacher/mentor to fulfill that need.
That's fine if you really think you need it, try to read a couple of books first though, before you throw money away only to realize you didn't need it in the first place.
Also be sure to find someone who's work you can actually respect.
Theres a lot of failed/ shit artists going down the art tutor/ instructor route, because they really need money from Pensioners/ desperate schmucks who (hopefully) don't know enough to realise that they have no idea what they're talking about.

I want to get good.
Here is where I am starting from:

Context for pic: Alaskan sailors in 1890 about to make the biggest catch of their lives.

When I get home from work, I plan to start developing and trying to fix whatever is wrong with my sketches.
Anything that helps me understand what I am doing wrong?
Anything I am not doing at all?

full time ranger/plumber with no artistic knowledge.

>>4071295
I can't give you any feedback, but I really liked your drawing anon