/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Did I step any closer to comprehending the intent of this exercise by the end of today? At the very least I remain clueless on what to do when the model is wearing a robe/dress. I just try to guess where their legs are or leave it blank.

I’m trying to do that greyscale method but I can’t figure out how to lay the colors without looking like ass. Help?

>>4035646
After you lay down your colors, add another layer on top of it (leave it on normal blending mode) then start refining your colors. This is the only way I found that makes the colors look more appealing when I used to do that method.

>>4035646
1. observe women using makeup
2. assume the chest is unfinished because it's only three tones and doesn't relate to the neck/face in any way
3. your hair's dark highlights don't serve any purpose in both the gray and colored versions

>>4035646
>>4035668
Oh and I forgot to mention, try using gradient maps if your program has it. They're pretty fun to use.

How the hell are you supposed to do gesture drawing? I don't know how I'm supposed to both understand the form and then draw it in a timespan of only 60 seconds.

>>4035697
try like 10-30 times
watch a video of some guy doing it
repeat until you get it

How do you draw Hair? I get that it has to have Volume but It just looks like a mass of .. Something. Can someone draw some hair over.

I'd also ask for general feedback too but I fear that no one will actually help me with the hair then.

thanks in advance

>>4035707

>>4035670
Yeah the whole pic is very unfinished

I want to figure out how to apply the colors properly before proceeding

>>4035719
chose light directions and then you can continue better.

>>4035697
Well that is what makes it hard. Try doing 5 mins instead of 1 mins if you are just starting out. Over time you will get better.

>>4035717
Thanks bro. Now I understand

p much a big digital painting fail need any advice

>>4035646
Whats the trick to getting such vibrant colors on greyscale? What layers are you using?
Mine come out so dull.

>>4035646
Your greyscale is still quite low contrast, do not be afraid of adding greater variety between the lights and shadows I know it feels scary at first because it feels like you are putting dirt on the clean picture but it will help you to make the image more lively. Keep going Anon!

>>4035750
Thanks for the advice and paintover. Its really helpful

>>4035741
edgework. your values arent awful but this looks "fuzzy." make more hard edges, especially with that hand, it looks awful. and darker shadows in the darkest parts (under her hair and at her eye, etc)

>>4035437
Work in progress.
Gib crit pls

rate my anatomy please
or if anything looks unclear

>>4035823
thnx mate

>>4035697
Like the other anon said you can start out with 2-5 minutes. also you can just try to make litteral stick figures at first and pick some simple poses to match that.

>>4035646
Just use the AI coloring program lmao

>>4035890
I want to be able to do it myself

are there any simlar to pic related plans but for drawing?
im at work all day and cant spend too much time, but something around 2-3h at night.
So are there any plans/schedules that can spoon feed me on what i should practice? im aiming for human drawings

>>4035914
emi wong eh? well i know what im fapping to today.

>>4035914
I think anything like that is a bit to rigid for drawing,everybody is going to develop different skills at different rates based on the kind of material they consume and their personal ability etc.
I would just pick a subject like gesture or anatomy and work on that for your X hours a day and I think that trying to micromanage it to much might lead to averse effects.

still finding a way to make a good torso. yes i'm also practicing shapes and volumes. any tips would help a lot.

>>4035914
If you care about getting to a pro level, you need to do as much as possible. If you have 2-3h on weekdays, do 2-3h on weekdays. And blast it out on weekends until you can't do anymore.

>>4036004
yes, i know that, its pretty obvious
what im struggling with is with what to start and what to practice. im somewhat decent with perspective and i understand how it works, so do i just jump straight to anatomy and all the detail, complex muscles
for example i feel like i have basic understand how to write and put letters on paper, but its too early to jump to calligraphy. does that makes sense as a comperisment?
isnt there a step im missing in the middle?

>>4036058
Sorry, I thought you were asking about time, not what to practice.
You can literally draw whatever you want however you want, as long as you keep drawing and you're critical of your own work and you want to improve, you will get better. Everyone learns in a highly personalized way so there's not much point in giving a roadmap. Seriously, just draw.
If you feel totally lost, then try completing a work you really want to complete, something that you would draw if skill was not a barrier. When you get stuck on something, go study that thing until you understand it better.

how can i improve my colours? i really struggle when choosing colours, you guys have a tip?

my freehand van damme is hilarious

You should probally make a promise to yourself. Ex: "I'll read one chapter of this art book" "Ill sketch for 20 minutes" and slowly increase the time over the days. You could also say 'ill sketch for ten minutes' then get into a groove and not stop

some dead woman

>>4036058
I would say hold of on anatomy and focus more on pumping out tons and tons of gesture drawings and work on basic structure.
It's easier to slowly learn more and more landmarks as you go after that.

After having a chain of various events go down in my family, I'm finally starting to draw a little again.

"Rusty" doesn't even do the quality of this shit justice. I've basically just been taking pictures of interesting things or animals and trying to draw them, or drawing from still life. If there's a more efficient way to git gud than this, I'm all ears.

>>4035437
How do enjoy pencils? I'm so bad at using them and I prefer pens and pastels (or watercolors at worst) as my medium of choice.

I didn't draw using pencils for months now and now I signed for BA that'll have pencil classes, in a week. What do I do? What should I be grinding to improve? I hate this, but pencils are considered "the true art medium" here.

>>4035646
use overlay, not color

How can I tell my autistic brain to remember this thing?

Instead of just saying "perspective" or make the lines smoother, as if I hadn't thought of that, can anyone offer actual advice on how I might do that because this is basically me trying my hardest. Pointing at a problem is not critique. And I'm going to call you an illiterate faggot when you do that.

I don't understand how people can make the lines smooth at all and when I make a long stroke it doesn't go where I want it at all. Why is it so hard to fucking aim? I can draw pretty fine on paper but with this tablet it's just scratchy shit. Wtf

How does one cut the sides of a sphere at an angle (not just the "circle on a sphere" as seen in the bottom left of image, where the contour changes due to the cut side)?

>>4036307
what i'm talking about

I had the idea to try to get one of these done every 30 minutes or so so i'm not wasting time but some of them are taking longer than they should
>>4036307
>>4036331
It's like a cylinder that is fat in the middle resting on its side, so just draw a cylinder and make it more spherical

a quickie

rate bros

>>4036307
Learn perspective first, you won't be able to understand loomis without understanding perspective

what tablet are you using?
regarding perspective keep in mind not only the vanishing point but also the perpendicular lines that would cross it. Check illustrator's perspective grid and try to make one of your own

>>4036373
>>4036303
this was meant for you

>>4036307
Unironically just feel it. Just draw what looks right. Anyone telling you you need to read a perspective book to draw a fucking sphere with the sides flattened is just crabbing you.

>>4036423
this.
I just draw what I wanted.
Can get the perspective right? find a stock photo and draw rough trace of it.

>>4036375
It's a Wacom intuos a few years old. And it's gimp 2.8. My experience with this is very much pulling teeth and unintuitive. I think I should get one with a screen.

My values are shit. Is it worth using better pencils or is this a problem with my skills? My marks are messy and maybe I'm just not good with how much pressure to apply and deciding which shadows to emphasize. Idk

>>4036451
Get the best pencils you can, no reason not to. They won't make you any better, but then at least you'll know if the problem is you or the pencils.

>>4036459
True. Any other critique on the sketch?

Don't know why I did this, but it was incredibly relaxing.

Going to finish up lesson #1 of Drawabox when I get back, then move on to the tornado and 250 box challenge I promised.

this is most of my work from early February up to now, just missing a lot of doodles and some other stuff
I went through Keys to Drawing and did some Drawabox, gave up on both after a certain point

I've got no idea what I should be doing, my goals aren't even anything ambitious but I still struggle knowing where to start with a drawing; do I use references, deconstruct, use gesture? should I just draw what I want to draw now and see what I need to improve?
no idea what to practice etc

>>4036464
Looks like pressboard. Spent many years building crates in warehouses. Nice job, Anon.

most of my work from early February up to now, just missing a lot of doodles and some other stuff
I went through Keys to Drawing and did some Drawabox, gave up on both after a certain point

I've got no idea what I should be doing, my goals aren't even anything ambitious but I still struggle knowing where to start with a drawing; do I use references, deconstruct, use gesture? should I just draw what I want to draw now and see what I need to improve?
no idea what to practice etc

>>4036468
and pic related is the type of stuff I want to draw but I'm not sure how to get there
help a retarded /beg/ out

>>4036468
i think this will give you some direction

How would I go about rotating this shape in 3D space, particularly the lines that go inward on the X axis but curve going down on the Y axis?

>>4036371
>>4036423
>>4036342
Would doing a cross contour around the circle (also drawing the inside curve) and then cutting away what's "behind" work as well?
Like pic but not sloppy.
the contour work?

>>4036292
you want to have the best gestures in town, just relax and scratch

>>4036491
i usually draw axis is easier but boxes are imo more accurate but it takes too much time

>>4035437
>tfw know someone who lables himself as a professional who says all of this shit except the beginner one
>he's just shit and gets assmad at any criticism

>>4036100
People have asked me to give it to her husband as a gift. Good idea or no?

>>4036603
I just thought she looked like a character in a manga by Otomo. She has that round wizened face

>>4036603
I think it's good enough to gift. She looks lively.

>>4036470
These all use shape language pretty heavily. And behind that is good understanding of anatomy. Work on your anatomy/perspective/etc to draw people well, don't worry about style. Then once you're comfortable with the human form, start stylizing.

>>4036367
Only slightly disappointing that it's a tree and not his giant cock.

>>4036557
Chadxis?

>>4036094
Study color theory. James Gurney is good.

>>4035996
They look a bit on the long side. Too much space between ribcage and pelvis on many of them.

>>4035969
kys

>>4035827
Reference a photo of a cat's head. It has no chin and the muzzle looks too small, the eyes don't have that inner corner thing, the ear shape isn't that simple.

I do not understand gesture drawings.
Besides the fact I'm obviously terrible I don't even get what I'm supposed to do when I'm allotted more time.
Like do I add the muscles and smaller details? Seems like it stops being gesture at that point.

Am I doing it wrong?

>>4035437
Any nit picks?

>>4035477
If its a gesture drawing then try to draw the gesture using vilppu's method. If youre trying to copy the ref then draw every little detail you can.

>>4035828
pretty clear imo

>>4035437
this is an old wip, I haven't been drawing for a while. did it real quick after drinking for 5 hours straight and was feeling like doing something different, I hate it but I think I'll make it my style.
sorry I'm a beginner

how do these look to you guys? any ideas on what things I can work on to improve?

>>4036733
this is nice, the 3 on the left seem better than the right one though
what was your learning process like to get to this point? use references, learn anatomy etc?

any advice for making her right tit look less flat?

>>4036633
I haven't done any real studying for art, so sorry if I lack vocab, but I am good at it.

>gesture drawings
Biggest thing I notice you doing wrong is you are ignoring all of the many visible curves. Look at the body and how it curves in and out in certain areas. It MUST curves in somewhere, then somewhere else, it MUST curve out, and all these curves come together to create a figure.

In his silhouette alone, his back curves out slightly above his waist then back in at his shoulders and butt. His arm curves starkly up into a point then back to his head. His shoulders curve at a gentle peak to meet into his neck which meets into his head etc. etc. etc.

Look for the curves, try to capture the curves, DON'T draw the underlying shapes.

>>4035646
colormap cold>warm highlights>shadows before coloring so it doesn't look like you're shading with black

>>4035437
Not sure if this is allowed, but I'm trying to figure out ANYTHING about what is going on here:

https://youtu.be/3rJAKOepW4Y?t=128

I just need to know what program/how they are trimming lines with other lines here.

>>4036557
Where did you learn the process on doing those axis things?

>>4036743
it doesn't look flat at all

>>4035437
>its a wip/quick sketch
While I know most of these are excuses. I hate how these two are included
>make a literally sketch that I will line and render later
>ask opinions on the pose/gesture

>fix your lines lol
>lol line weight
>learn to render /beg/
>dont do X before you line

>>4036740
I did a lot of anatomy stuff, I think the most efficient learning I did was when I color coded muscle groups. I've been drawing on and off since middle school too but I'm getting more serious now. Plus just started going through comic books and copying gestures from them and that's helping a bit, still have to see where that goes though

>>4036762
I feel like it does compared to her left one anyway

>>4036743
Curve the bikini top thing over it. Right now it's going across the chest as if the tit isn't there

reminder to not be so hard on your self.look how fucked up the arm in on this beautiful and professional painting. communicating an idea is more important than absolute perfection

>>4036499
just fucking draw

>>4035828
Trapezium is wrong, missing some muscles like abdominal external oblique, no lower vertebrae definition, also the sacral part of the hip bone is supposed to make a protuberance. The hips are too thin.
t. medfag

first "real" drawing, how can i improve

>>4036907
you gave your character's left arm a right hand

>>4035437
crit?

>>4036920
finish it first

How do I draw a none retarded mouth?

Fucking drawing the other eye is impossible

Just looking for CC

How did I do?

Please help, I can't get the tits right

>>4037001
>chickenscratch
>tits are perky bags of sand
>clothes somehow surround them like they've been slipped into little tit socks
just start over and actually study a woman in clothing this time.

Just started drawing recently with fun with a pencil, and none of the "blooks" look right. Should I keep drawing them until it clicks, or do I need to focus on something else? I know I'm probably just retarded, but I feel like there's something going over my head.

>>4037002
chickenscratch?

>>4037003
Make your own my dude. These are examples, you needn't copy them, just understand what he's trying to teach - something you can achieve by giving your own heads a shot, with your own exaggerations, features, etc
Very nice line confidence though, keep it up.

>>4037003
They look fine to me, but you will probably never draw heads like this because skulls aren't sphere shaped so it's nothing to get hung up over. All you need to understand is why Loomis tells you what to draw what he does. Like you need to understand why you are constructing a head starting with a simple shape like a ball and using lines to guide you.

>>4037016
read the sticky.
have you never heard of line confidence before? why are you on /beg/ without even bothering to *look* at loomis, or literally any other material?

>>4037001
The arms are way too long, and her breasts don't connect with her body. Like the other faggot said, try looking at real breasts in that pose and observe how they behave.

>>4037026
I mean, yeah, but am I not even allowed to have scribbly lines in a sketch? It's not the line art, I save that for last and do it on a new layer.

I usually do nothing but digital art, but I got stuck in a rut so I tried traditional, was more happy with the results, any thing I should focus on specifically ?

>>4037029
purchasing decent paper

>>4036978
I gave up, I just flip the canvas to draw the second eye now. I can never be a trad artist.

>>4037032
I'll be sure to next time.

>>4036923
I wasn't aware my phone took such large pictures

>>4037029
anatomy

>>4036633
I'm posting work I did a while ago so you can decide whether or not to take my advice. In my opinion "gesture drawing" is kind of a silly non-excercise. Have you ever learned anything in 30 seconds? In a minute? Genuine studying takes longer, "gesture drawing" to me just looks like a way to stylize your work in a particular way (Watts Atelier, Proko, Hampton, all have a synthetic quality to their line-work which is the result of this procedure). The human figure is a difficult thing to capture properly, second only to faces and maybe hands (I've still yet to master any of these), I think you'd have a better time using Keys to Drawing to try to capture the silhouette of an object, then move in on the details as the book explains. Then try to improve your eye from there by doing Bargues and copying artists that you like (in my case Kim Jung Gi, in your case maybe it's like the likes of Proko, Hampton, Watts, which, if that's the case, you ought to copy their examples of gesture drawing stroke for stroke, making yours resemble theirs verbatim).

So to recap, try learning to draw things exactly as you see them, try to draw from artists whose styles you enjoy, and if you like artists who employ gesture drawing in their procedure that's when you start.

>>4037072
>try to draw from artists whose styles you enjo
what if i like anime and hate realism

>>4037082
i'd say grow up

>>4037072

>>4037072
if you don't understand the point of gesture drawing, there's no point in doing it. if you can't muster the will to do the barest amount of research into why people do it, you're not going to learn anything. of course you don't learn from just going through the motions. that's retarded. if you don't know what you're doing and what you're paying attention to, either research it or give up on it. seems you chose giving up.

>>4037072
>post work which lacks gesture
pottery

>>4037082
Then draw anime, you'll get good at it
>>4037087
If you needed to research the reason for gesture drawing you don't understand it, the "reason" is clear from the technique alone, to instill and exaggerate movement in the pose, I just don't think it's a good technique for that and prefer to simply study people in motion (I use quicktime player to capture movements in YT videos and redraw them frame by frame and I like it a lot more). If you think gesture drawing is important, post your work, me and the original poster will see if we like your drawings and take your advice accordingly.

>>4037072
gmi

>>4036098
>>4036211
>>4036360
>>4036676
>>4036708
>>4036984
>>4036992
Don't worry I'm not like the other anons.
here's my critique
"good"

>>4037119
This just makes me feel worse :( Ty though, i'll cherish your compliment!

im still trying bros...

Please critique

>>4037147
you gotta draw what's underneath before you draw the dress dude

Just finished the Azula on the left, and trying to understand what I need to improve on (other then everything) and what specifically would need to be changed to get an end result that's as smooth and nice as the rightside Tifa. Any help understanding would be great, I feel like I don't even have enough understanding yet to be able to point it out, besides just knowing.

How do I choose between krita, csp, ps, gimp, or whatever other program?

>>4036831
better or worse, do you think?

>>4037174
You use them all and see what combinations of tools you like best. I used photoshop for awhile, and switched to CSP after I learned about it's more drawing friendly tools.

>>4037166
mind if I lewd her?

>>4037091
>Doesn't post work
Clockwork
>>4037114
<3 thanks anon

>>4037184
That's.... that's why I'm here.

>>4036447
Gimp is awful for illustrations. If you're going for high quality line work csp or sai are your best bet. Csp has the best lining tools and vector erasers can help a lot.

>older wiser artfag friend is telling me that I need to stop spamming ctrl z for every stroke because I'm not improving mechanically, only visually
>says some stuff about how not every line needs to be perfect to make a good art piece
>took a count and drawing one line for me takes an average of 5 undos before I'm happy with it, sometimes much much more
>have been drawing like this for the greater part of a year
is there a cure for this or am I just fucked
I feel like it's because I'm a person who's not very artistic trying to brute force becoming an artist

>>4037219
I should add that he draws on traditional while I've only ever drawn on digital canvasses

>>4037219
just disable ctrl z

>>4037228
>did this once
>just pressed E for eraser constantly

>>4037219
Try ghosting the line?

>>4037219
Everyone does the ctrl z. Traditionalfags do it by drawing the strokes several times without erasing it.

>>4037235
I think this is what i need to do more, yeah
i kind of glossed over it in draw a box

Still trying to figure out spheres. 3D forms are tough.

>>4037166
The very first thing you need to fix is picking a light direction. Currently I can't find I logic or reason to it, the shadows are all over the place, and the shape of the forms do not follow the way the shadows are cast on them. Even in the hypothetical example of having a tree above Azula that casts random shadows on her.

Luckily this is easy to fix if spend a bit of time studying and understanding how light works.
If you haven't done so watch Sycra's Foundations of light and shadow series that explains this topic in the simplest way I can think of.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

It is 17 episodes but mostly they are just 5-10 minutes each.Please get your understanding of light into order, that will immediately make everything a lot easier.

Good luck Anon!

>>4037219
As someone who mainly does digital but also did some trad in art class and there went from pencil to drawing straight with ink. I can fully attest to this. Moving to ink from pencil was incredibly scary because as we know ink is permanent. However my art teacher (who had a really rough time convincing me to switch to ink) convinced me that "single lines WILL disappear" and from experience I can say that this is correct. It is only our perception that is playing tricks on us.

I also admit this helped my digital art in many ways because I spend less time working on single line and instead more time on the picture itself. So I would say that advice is sound! You should only spend so much time with your lines if you are doing a piece where the lineart carries the vast majority of the picture's weight, which I can only imagine being some ultra crisp comic book style cover art with no shading or color whatsoever. However if that is the case and you are doing digital you might as well be using vectors.

>>4037315
these are pretty good

>>4036885
thank you very much

I think is the best thing I've ever drawn, tear the shit out of it so I don't feel bad when I fuck up the coloring

>>4037462
The next Jazza

>>4037219
i am watching korean guy with 30+ years of drawing experience and he does the same thing, i don't think this is a huge issue, if it's only 5 times and not 50 you better put your efforts in other areas

>>4037219
you use a tool when you have it, I do sketches directly with a brushpen, I use pencil, I use digital. When I draw directly I think a lot more about what stroke I'm making, when I use pencil I draw very lightly, when I use digital I spam CTRL+Z like anyone else. But practicing with traditional media makes you a lot more confident in general

>>4037465
See, like, I feel like that's a condescending negative tone, which is great, but I need more specifics

Most of the advice I see about gesture practice is the standard "just draw the motion!" but... The whole difficulty of the process is that I'm not sure I understand how to find the motion. It all makes total sense when I watch a video of someone else doing it, but when it comes time to do it myself from a new picture, sometimes I don't even know where to start. So the basic advice unfortunately doesn't help much.

I think my results have changes since I started doing this, and I'm even starting suspect that SOMETIMES I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, but other times my results don't really resemble what I think it should look like. I suppose this is how it goes, but trial and error feels inefficient without specific feedback.

>>4037493
the inaction is gonna be a lot more rigid in appearance. probably weight bearing. in gesture the inaction can easily be one straight line some times.

>>4036603
>>4036605
I hope I'm not too late but holy shit, don't. What the fuck is wrong with you? It barely looks like her, you fucked up her teeth and gave her fucking anime eyes. You don't ever give drawings as a gift until you're out of this general, and you certainly DON'T give a shitty drawing as a memorial for a dead person.
>inb4 pyw
I can study better than you, now shut the fuck up and stop being such a creep, holy shit.

>>4037202
What you posted was silhouette drawing not, gesture. You're still in this thread for a reason.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/uNOtIRa

AM I ON TRACK? IS EVERYTHING GOOD? ANYTHONG I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE I START NEXT CHAPTER AND OTHER BOOKS? ANY TIPS AND TRICKS AND USEFULL LINKS? THANKS

Latest piece.

>>4037001
This helped me Anon

>>4037029
Needs shading to accentuate the anatomy and to not make it flat.

>>4037147
Is that a woman or a crossdresser?

I have no idea what I am doing.

I can't wrap my head around the Loomis technique. Can anyone please recommend any fundamentals videos that aren't from Proko or Jazza? Thank you.

>>4037481

Not him but, you have to ask yourself: is this the kind of art I want to do so much so one can identify me with it like handwriting? If yes, then do as you will.

hows the anatomy/perspective? looks bad yet I can't see why

>>4037702
Vilppu for the next 6-12 months if you want real gains.

I've been thinking about doing the Russian course but I live in and will be living in a tiny dorm room for the next year and change. It seems really space intensive, should I try something else instead?

>>4037719
But I don't feel the form

How u draw goood

I find it that i learn something and then i unlearn it!

>>4037702
Draw naked people.

>>4037798
ew

>>4037657
Your Loomis head construction does not like 3d at all.
Do a lot of perspective exercises before you do loomis.
I suggest watching Vandruff's lectures.

>>4037798
do you have photos of naked harrison ford

just wanted to see how well I could make a body. still gonna work on torsos.

Why is Bugs' muzzle construction coming out wonky, and is there a clearer way to go about doing it?

I keep buying art supplies. Send help.

>>4036762
HER right tit anon, not the tit that's on the right of the image.

>>4037811
Which is odd since Zorak is about a thousand times more complex and yet I got him (with this blocking-in method) first try.

>>4037702
Try to copy the reference accurately by using the same process as copying a Bargue Plate.

>>4037830
keep practicing

Does anyone have any resources that explain how to capture likeness well? I can copy and draw portraits decently well but the end results don't really ever resemble the model much.
Hampton says that the keystone shape in the middle of the brow ridge is important, but I haven't really figured out how to make use of it.

I need to learn how to ink but I'm always terrified of putting marker to paper because it's so permanent :( But in the meantime... feedback?

Finished this one and I am hoping it shows steady progress at least.
Still having trouble with rounding edges at an angle...and hands...god I hate hands!

>>4037906
> I am hoping it shows steady progress at least.
To gauge that we would require to see an earlier work from you.

>>4037941
heres an earlier one...lots of mistakes I see now but not at the time.

>>4037952
Yeah, I would say you had significant improvements, anatomy is better face is better, lights are better all around better in general.

I'm getting started doing linocuts. I'm not satisfied with the results, but I don't know what to improve. Opinions?

>>4037330
That's super helpful, I appreciate it!

>>4037986

I'm a retard. Accidentally created a thread.
Again, this is Munich first sketch using a pose reference. Anything obviously wrong? Should I do shading? Are there techniques/courses how to improve sketching with references

>>4037952
It's very annoying when people don't draw the feet. When you cut them off, it just looks like you were afraid to try and fail.

>>4038008
Hello, mobile me.
Looking objectively. I think i'm ok. Still a beginner, definitely, but i'm on my way. If I keep practicing, i'll get better easily and pretty quickly

>stop drawing for 2 days
>lose abillity to draw temporarily afterwards

Anyone got any good "back in the game" excercises after periods of not drawing?

>>4038079
do timed gesture exercises, doesn't matter what just something simple and mechanical that doesn't require a lot of brainpower to get your mind eased into the process of moving the pencil.

>>4038087
That's actually great advice, thank you!

>>4038046
After running it through faceapp, on the one hand, it's good that it at least recognized a face but I realized I drew too many lines and made him look too old. And I think obviously I gave him cartoonishly large eyes.

>>4038057
worked for Frazetta

>>4038118
>>4038008
>>4037952
>>4037906
>>4037809
>>4037794
>>4037702
read
the
fucking
sticky.

please, for the love of god, stop posting in /beg/ for critique if you're not going to bother actually trying to learn.

the sticky exists for a reason. look at the links. we can't do everything for you. read a few books and at least try to improve your anatomy before shitting up ic. please.

>>4038142
Look man at the core the sticky is just a a huge list of things to do and books/tutorials read. Telling people to go and read a ton of books on the subject and practice for weeks or months or years before they start posting is not helping. Also /ic/ is not your shitty personal club that has requirements for posting if you want that go join some closed art community or something. People need feedback and guidance to get better that is how every learning process works. That is why schools were invented in the first place.

Plus the very first section of the sticky literally says
>Ask others to critique your work.

>>4038142
Calm down, faggot. Some of those people are asking fair questions. Whoare you to say they haven't tried to improve. People asking questions and posting shitty things is what this fucking thread is for, you retard. What do think it is?
Answer the questions, give feedback, or fuck off, you massive pussy.

i tried to draw the hologram from blade runner 2077 , but it feels static , how can i make it more dynamic

10/250 boxes

>>4038142
What is this asshole's problem? Go to the doctor if you have anal warts dude, ffs. I'm not allowed to post in the beg thread unless I fix every mistake in my sketch? Get good at drawing before posting in the beginner's thread? Don't ask for critique if my work isn't already conforming to all the rules of art? You owe us an apology for being so wrong you absolute baka gaijin. How dare you.

>>4038142
yes dad!

also..say where the anatomy is wrong..be specific instead of just shouting out. People cannot learn if you don't go into details.

>>4038137
Don't make excuses faggot. You cut the feet off because you can't draw them, not because of an artistic reason and everyone knows it. Learn to draw feet. Do a study of 10 feet and you'll be as mediocre at that as you are every other body part. It's pathetic that you feel the need to protect your ego even when you're completely anonymous.

>>4038242
actually that was my drawing..and yes feet are a bitch for me at the moment, but hey 'baby steps' right? lel!

how do you draw the line between crutching and using tools
Ive been told drawing one eye and then flipping canvas to draw the other is crutchy but maybe thats just tradfag seething

>>4038142
how abotu you shut your stupid fucing mouth for ocne and fuCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!
i fucking hate stupid cunts like you who think they own the fucking world when in reality your just a fucking retard, honeslty man just shoot yourself you fucking supeirority complex fucking retard narcistic cunt/ you're just a fucking brainlet retard who understands nothing about life. wait until you grow up and maybe you'll see what i fucking mean

>>4038326
I count 9 "fucks"
truly a modern literary wunderkind

So, starting on the sticky, I drew this.
Fairly pleased at the majority, obviously the head is a little fucked.

>>4038296
That's cool, but why did you stop the detail at the eyes? Why not add detail to other areas?

>>4038280
That's crutchy because it's basically useless unless you're exclusively drawing the most boring straight-facing heads in the universe over and over

How can I go about drawing people from life without looking awkward? Doing 60 second gestures ain't so bad, but I want to capture the everything of any person that's sitting in my genetal vicinity. The issue is that I'm self conscious thinking that I might get someone to walk up to me in disgust that I might be drawing said person.

In need of advice

>>4038404

>>4038404
It's nice, but just try some deeper shadows.

>>4038401
As someone who spends a lot of time on street photography I can tell you, literally no one gives a shit. But you'll have to experience it on your own. Go and do it. The more you do it the more you realize people just don't give a fuck.

And let me tell you something. What's the literal worst thing that could happen? They'd ask you to rip the drawing up? What are they gonna do? You're not gonna get beat up. You're not gonna get the cops called on you. You're drawing a picture of someone in public. It's fine. Most people would be indifferent; some might even like it.

You're gonna be fine dude.

>>4038406
noted noted

>>4038376
I guess my reference is kind of blurry. i did my best with it. I put my own photo into the ai portraits thing a few days ago before it went down. should probably use a photograph next time instead.

>>4038432
In that case it is very good. But yeah, probably use a photo.

>>4037462
Jazza?

>>4038464
Definitely has that feel.

>>4038374
It's a weirdly complex picture and the first time you do it is a bit of a brain teaser.

>>4038436
>Very good
You fucking kidding me? His shitty portrait is full of symbol drawing and the values are non existent. This isn't REDDIT. Go suck a scribble drawing somewhere else.

>>4038484
Do you want to say that to HIM, then, faggot?
Either tell people how to improve, or fuck off. You clearly think your too good for /beg/ threads, so why do you bother coming here?

>>4038492
Telling him his kindergarden scribble is "very good" is not telling him how to improve. Fuck off back to re*dit.

>>4038500
>not knowing how to greentext
Are you actually retarded? You told him nothing, so you can't talk, cunt.
You clearly don't understand what this thread is. There are plenty of beginners who comment on other beginners posts. You're just being a petulant little bitch because you have no other way of expressing yourself. Sure, that anon was wrong to call it 'very good', but who cares? Either you tell the original image poster how to improve, or just fuck off.
Holy shit dude, how low is your self-esteem. I bet you don't even draw.

can someone post that video of the 2 words that begs should never be told

>>4038518
Is it the whiplash 'good job' meme?

20/250 Boxes

What kinds of perspective problems do you want me to attempt?

>>4038525
oh yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taS98UbC_EU

>>4038533
You don't unironically believe this, do you?

>>4038537
Reddit is a living example of this.

>>4038529
Are you using tools for these or are you doing them completely free hand? Some of your lines look too surgical to be freehanded.

Also, keep in mind that if you put more than one vanishing point on the canvas it's likely going to look very distorted. It's pretty noticeable in the topmost rightmost one.

>>4038541
No, I said unironically, so memes aside, do you truly believe that?

>>4038537
>good job anon you tried yassssss
> anons keeps drawing doing the same mistakes but he a good boy

>holy shit thats garbage back to loomis retard
>wtf why is it bad?, anon questions his skills and see his flaws and tries to improve

>>4038549
Two things. Learn how to greentext properly.
Acknowledging improvement is not a bad thing. It can boost motivation. That doesn't mean you can't tell them how to improve. Your 'if you tell them 'good job' they'll never improve' is such boomer logic.

>>4038555
You reek of being a newfag AND a redditor. This how meme arrows have been used for probably a decade now.
Go back.

>>4035646
leave beg
>>4036367
soon
>>4037154
leave beg

>>4038569
No it isn't. The correct usage would beL
>good job anon you tried yassssss
anons keeps drawing doing the same mistakes but he a good boy
>holy shit thats garbage back to loomis retard
wtf why is it bad?, anon questions his skills and see his flaws and tries to improve

If you didn't mention reddit so much you wouldn't seem like you had just come from there. Calm down, summerfag.

what should I learn for next time I return to you bros

>>4038416
you obviously don't live in the UK!

>>4038592
Fair point. Imagine sitting outside a Costa sketching the local chavs, one spots you and their herd walks up to you 'what you fuckin drawin me for'. She points to a pregnant girl in a grey tracksuit 'she's fucking 12, you nonce'. Then you get stabbed.

>>4038595
and that's a good thing

>>4038500
I specifically did this when I drew that picture. It was the 2nd time I tried this method where you draw it upside down and just focus on shapes and values instead of drawing familiar objects. I literally did exactly this.

>>4038549
why does it have to be a retarded fucking dichotomy between "blindly praising something regardless of how well it was made" and "relentlessly shitting on it"? are you autistic?

>>4036992
How did I do?

Stabilizer at 15. Moving it down to 10 for the next couple of boxes.

>>4035646
Nose is too long, I would cut it down if I were you.

>>4037553
>being this arrogant in beg of all places

NGMI.

Posted this in anothrt thread but got ignored, be harsh

How did I do? Does it look like a fight between giant monsters in the distance now?
I'm a bit iffy on the angel's pose but that's the best one I could think.


>>4038683
I'm not even sure you tried anon. I get that ONE and Murata sometimes stylize him but only his chibi form, you had no excuse for those sphagetti legs. They're missing the other half... in general it's recognizable enough for shitposts but please make an attempt to study anatomy. Go and look at pictures of skinless anatomy bodies from google or directly copy Black Sperm's more detailed body.

>>4038746
I'm not sure I can properly criticize it, that's why I don't answer sorry. It looks flat... possibly on the intersection of the left pec and the shoulder. There should be more defining lines there to make it 3D I think.
The hands are also too small, they need another "block"... mayb. The fingers on Gold Experience look almost the same lenght too. Or something. Something is off, that's all I can say.

>>4038746
the characters look too stiff and unexpressive and the torso of the front guy is too long, especially when you take into account where you've drawn his pecs. Other than that you have a decent shadowing and linework

So much for a beginner thread. All these people draw much better than I could ever hope.

>>4038833
Everyone started shitty a year or two ago anon, you can hope to draw like anyone here.

>>4038835
What would you suggest for someone to try to improve after messing up their wrist decades ago? Tracing exercises?

>>4038838
Possibly the drawabox first lessons, which indeed are line (and tracing lines) exercises, but I haven't dealt with that before. You can hope for someone else to answer or make a thread for it. But I do believe it'd be fine to try drawabox as you too thought about tracing exercises, just to test the waters with your hand and get comfortable.

>>4038838
>>4038844
Aaand of course don't get frustrated if the tracing isn't exact, as you're not meant to be a machine or anything. Remember, they're exercises, it's not some test you need to pass with an A++ score. Try it but don't fear failure, there's nothing wrong with it.

>>4038847
Thank you anon. One other question; do you know of any places for fledgling artists to make friends and draw together?

>>4038867
I don't use discord but this got posted once and it's active enough https://discord.gg/fzHu47
it seems to be full of beginners and some people giving advice and talking about anything.
But this thread kinda works too, though there's not much friendship here since it tends to get in the way.

I'd still hope someone else answers your first question though. Drawabox lines and tracing are a good option, but you could also do gestures. Gestures are kinda about letting your hand go free and draw stickmen, you can look for videos on gesture drawing. That may give you a good start too.

>>4038880
Thank you for the help anon.

I think I can understand a bit more about how to do gesture drawing

>>4035437
Extreme pose from imagination. I messed the hands but overall how is it?

making face gains

haven't been drawing a lot lately. this is my attempt of redrawing a persons character. ive just been procrastinating on what to do with color or anything. i just want to do it properly instead of shooting in the dark. any help or feedback would be muchly appreciated

>>4037175

same. try again

>>4038826
how did I do?

>>4038949
Holy hell are you the same anon? So you really weren't trying before, that's some mighty improvement... or you actually invested time into it Congrats.

>>4038896
That is good keep walking the path, your goal is to slowly and gradually reduce the number of lines you use per drawing while keeping the gesture drawing just as expressive. Keep at it Anon!

how do I draw like this?

>>4038529
is this done digitally?

i started this a long ass time ago and forgot about it. then i did a couple pupper studies and went back to it hoping i got something out of it so here is where im at so far. the ref isnt a direct copy, just something im referring to for the drawing portion

>>4039121
this makes me uncomfortable

>>4039124
is it the lack of genitalia or the face. the face was better but i kept fucking with it

>>4039121
Your dog looks like it died from shock after a furry cummed into its mouth

>>4039135
just because hes laying on his back?

>>4039139
It's the face and especially that white colouring on his tongue.

>>4038118
Larry Elmore told me that every line you add to someone's face ages them by a decade.
This is also the reason he hated drawing babies and children.

>>4039146
ooh that was supposed to be the reflection from salivia but i didnt get to it. well does it make you uncomfortable like the other guy?

>>4039152
Does the description of a furry fucking a dead dog sound comfy to you?

>>4039154
no but you said it died from the cum in its mouth, nothing about it being dead in the first place. desu lots of dogs lay on their backs like this and are perfectly comfy, it looks weird to humans because we would have deliberately fight gravity to hold our arms up like that making it uncomfortable for us.

i changed the fucking tongue and eyes. does that help?

tried a different way of constructing torsos.I might(?) getting the hang of it

>>4036743
>>4037175
I took a shot at trying to curve the bikini over the right boob so it looks less flat.
>inb4 it looks worse

>>4039182
Actually better, anon.

The way her boob is flat towards us will always be tough to represent using nothing but (nearly) equal width lines. Shading will certainly help fix the problem. Or better use of line weight.

>>4039158
Not them, but it was fine the first time (still better now). They're seeing things because they're fucking degenerates.

This is an old filthyfrank fanart piece i drew when i was 12. Lord forgive me.

old piece of behelit chan

>>4039246
What does your art look like now?

>>4039246
i can tell by the way you draw that you are a woman

>>4039258
shut up nword

>>4039256
i haven't been drawing enough since then, especially digitally. Pretty shit

>>4037219
I used to do this. Now I've graduated to just drawing a million fucking lines.

>>4036788
I created OP's pic related. Listen retard.
Post your finished work, retard. When it is finished & rendered, bad gesture will still be visible, retard.
Noone wants to see or critique unfinished shit, retard. Anyone can make excuses like "oh this? I finish this later, its a WIP", retard. Line weight and economy are valid critiques, even on sketches, retard.
Receiving critiques on finished pieces will give you more info on what to improve upon, retard.
If you don't finish stuff and you got nothing finished to show, you will ngmi, retard.

>>4036920
I've never heard anybody say "Oh I need A nut right now." Your joke falls flat and your idea is bad. You could've used the peanut shape as a female body and give her a pussy, but thats just my idea.

>>4039458
Work on your vocabulary first.

>>4039458
You phrased that like a moron, but I agree.
If it is a WIP then why would you stop and post it here? I doesn't make sense.
Only finishing it will make you be able to look at it objectively, otherwise you'll be stuck thinking 'hmm, it isn't finished so it doesn't matter if it is bad'.
Lots of people seemingly don't know how to finish, which suggests they don't have a concrete plan or idea, and that is a bad thing to do.

>>4039121
It looks like a screen shot from a snuff film.

>>4036603
No. It lacks likeness.

>>4036923
I don’t think it looks retarded. But it might be too big.

>>4037147
Don’t press your pencil into the paper. If you need a bolder line use a b pencil.

>>4036733
looks fine, is there are character exercises.
If you want a finished piece to show or something, learn something of composition to make them more appealing

>>4036603
this guy >>4037553
is a crab, it's fine. Give the gift to them

>>4039182
original drawer here, this looks good

>>4040051 new

>>4039411
not mine, but if youre trying to copy a ref try to stick with straight lines. The pic I post follows a method similar to copying bargue plates

>>4039461
I didn't expect actual critique but you have a fair point. Thanks bro

>>4040058
is this also for traditional painting?

>>4039513
Fuck off reddit fag

Pyw

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>>4041619
Thanks