/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4033624
Yeah, Newgrounds. It's been discussed.

>>4033631
Wait why newgrounds?

>>4033636
They always allowed 18+ content.

I'd like a new or different blogsite similar to tumblr. Tumblr at least was easy to use and manage, and running side blogs was a nice feature for reblogs of pics and other neat stuff. I'm thinking about pillowfort.social but I don't know if there's an established art community on there yet.

>>4033624
Just use them all, why limit yourself to one website?

>>4033687
Tumblr got a lot of well-deserved flack, but it had lots of good qualities. It's miles better than Twitter as an art gallery and tags were really useful for finding/showing off niche content. Shame it basically died with the porn ban. I think Pillowfort is kinda hopeless, it's a lot smaller than Tumblr and I feel like most people who quit Tumblr moves to Twitter instead.

Ive been considering on building a new site for artists
Twitter is shit
Tumblr is dead
New grounds looks objectively bad
Artstation is for industry professionals
Deviant art is ...you know
Now I know this is a monumental task
But I think it's worth pursuing

>>4033698
>It's miles better than Twitter as an art gallery
That's not a very high bar to clear. 4chan works better as an art gallery than Twitter.

>>4033723
That's a dumb opinion and you know that

would be worth it i think

I really hate how the likes of Tumblr and Newgrounds get all of people coming to their defence and making mini documentaries talking about how great they were.
Do none of them realise how big DEVIANTART used to be at one point?
>Could buy laptop bags and merch straight from the company
>Posters of your favourite art pieces were possible
>Daily Deviations could land you a job
>Tonnes of interaction with mods
>Devmeets that would take place across the whole fucking world
>Every kind of artist you could think of hung around here and they wouldnt hesitate to talk to each other
>Language barriers weren't really a thing thanks to groups and small little communities
>Trolling was for shits and giggles and mods loved it
>Redpills were usually tolerated and nobody minded it
>Every medium of art was allowed and your debating abilities with others wouldnt ruin your career
>Always allowed to call out on someone's bullshit and you could have an array of topical art next to more and more variety of work
>Professionals and hobbyists alike could become friends no problem here
>Used to have its own Comic Con booth
>Would invite random whos on dA to meet with staff if they liked them and their art enough, and would post blog posts talking about them
>Felt like a home for many troubled people who couldn't find a good creative work environment in the real world before FB, Tumblr and Twitter took everyone away.

Fucking hate what the place has become and I hate that everyone has decided to forget about all of this despite being the best art site in the world at one point. This place was the fucking shit and I loved how it opened my eyes to the creativite potential of people no matter who they were.

Deviantart site is never the thing that attracted users, its the artistd who used to post there. Now the frontpage of deviantart is full of OC furries.

>>4033718
I too want to create a platform designed for artists but I have no idea how to get it off the ground. I tried making a mock up as an assignment and it's harder than it sounds.

>>4033725
tumblr is shit as art gallery. it's sad but DA is actually the better a gallery than IG, tumblr and twitter

>>4033718
>>4033871
You two should make a discord and develop one, I don't really have an interest in doing it but I think it would motivate you to pursue it if you had someone else with a common goal

>>4033691
But I do use them all, that's how I know about the artists criticizing all these sites

>>4033725
no it isn't
go look at some of the selfposting threads on /i/

>retweeting isn't as effective anymore
>the best way for your art to reach people on twitter is for others to comment on the post
bruh....

>good artists that only post on twitter
>art gets fucked by twitter's shitty compression

>>4033938
don't worry, we're all aware that twitter is on the decline

>>4033624
All dA needs to do to hog all the artists is allow sex and have a on/off adult filter so you kill two birds with one stone erasing all the gross non-sexual fetish stuff from the sfw filtered site.

>>4033767
Good deeds never go unpunished.

>>4033624
Why aren't you guys just using Pixiv?
>works great as just a gallery
>also has a compression-free twitter alt (pawoo)
>good tagging system and filters
>offers printing and sales services (e.g. mugs, clothing, posters, even novels and comics)
>live stream hosting
>oekaki/sketch page
>soundcloud alternative
>etc. etc.

>>4033975
>All dA needs to do to hog all the artists is allow sex and have a on/off adult filter so you kill two birds with one stone erasing all the gross non-sexual fetish stuff from the sfw filtered site.
that's literally what pixiv does

>>4033981
because it's just a slightly less worse deviantart, hell alot of artists there moved to twitter due to the bullshit pixiv does.

>>4033981
1) Very Japanese and that's with the English option
2) Being a very anime-centric place, some people feel out of place. Not a huge deal as non-anime content aren't verboten.
But I do agree it's one of the better art places.

>>4033983
Any specific incidents besides that "modern art" piece where people trampled over users work without their permission?

>>4033975
I doubt that would help at all, that would just make the insane fetish crowd go even crazier.

>>4033981
I only use Pixiv to upload fandom lewds, but I don't use it much because it's hard to interact with anyone because of the language barrier.

>>4033983
What bullshit did Pixiv do to make them move to a site with actively art-hostile image compression? The only thing it lacks compared to dA IMO is the community, which may be a pro instead of a con at this point.

>>4033718
Hello, I'm some guy who has been using deviantArt/Tumblr/etc for many years.
That gives me 0 authority, but here are some opinions I have:
- Your gallery should be limited to 100 images, unless you subscribe. It will save you money, but more importantly, it keeps users constantly aware they need to curate their shitty galleries.
- A retweet/share option is essential. Sharing to Facebook is essential (Facebook users really don't 'like' art ever, they share it)
- Being able to hook up Twitter/Instagram/Patreon/etc/etc/etc to this site would be extremely useful for making peoples e-penises bigger
- Should use a -chan style imageboard instead of a forum, because forums are fucking dumb. Should have the option to upload an image, or attach a gallery image.
- Should have friendly navigation for hosting webcomics.

Part of the problem with pixiv and deviantart and similar sites is that you don't get the kind of general audience outreach that social media sites such as twitter/instagram/etc give.

>>4034012
>Should use a -chan style imageboard instead of a forum, because forums are fucking dumb. Should have the option to upload an image, or attach a gallery image.
You can already do that on DA, you can upload image thumbnails that link to the fullsize version of the image when clicked on the forums.
>Your gallery should be limited to 100 images, unless you subscribe. It will save you money, but more importantly, it keeps users constantly aware they need to curate their shitty galleries.
That seems like a surefire way to drive people away desu. Imagine how many people would telling their followers to go on X other site to see their full works?

>>4034016
not him, but i like that idea still kind of. maybe have two galleries. A featured gallery consisting of 50 artworks, and a normal infinite gallery. and the featured gallery will be the default one when you click on an artist's portfolio?

>>4033767
and if you draw a hard penis you receive none of these benefits, so who gives a shit

>>4033767
>mfw I was absolute garbage in the golden age of dA
Could have had it all bros...

>>4034014
Social media will never be about the art and art websites will never attract high socialization because art is inherently individualistic and meritocratic.

>>4033767
>Do none of them realise how big DEVIANTART used to be at one point?
it was the ONLY platform, you're projecting way too much worth into it

>>4033640
>>4033636
we need a different board for the tumor that is pornfags

>>4033938
wait why are nuartists openly calling themselves "artists"

>>4034067
Elfwood was a thing and forums were equivalent to what social media is today. dA had it's competition and beat it fair.

>>4033636
It's their art vanguard still shitty?

>>4033624
I still can't believe an entire blogging platform died because of a porn ban. We live in a society.

>>4034080
Tumblr was cancer from the start, it got big as a self-harm platform first with pro-ana/pro-mia and cutting blogs. Then the social justice crap took hold when those got "banned".

It was never good as an art platform, it was never good as social media. But it was good to collect hundreds of low quality pics in no particular order or ease of browsing, so porn was it.

>>4034092
>it got big as a self-harm platform first with pro-ana/pro-mia and cutting blogs
what the fuck
is artstation the way to go? I don't make videogame stuff though so I feel horribly out of place.

>>4034104
It's fine but expect things to be heavily curated, or as whiny assholes describe it: "elitist".

>>4034071
what will this new board be called?

>>4034107
/xxx/, /lewd/, or /prn/ probably.

>>4034107
nobody will miss /po/

>>4034071
>>4034107
>>4034111
>>4034113
hey dum dums /aco/ exists..

>>4034114
you could just put up a couple generals for critique and sex worker career advice on /aco/ and make /ic/ blue. Pornfags chiming in and giving retarded out of touch advice like "go on newgrounds" is aggravating
I think the ratio is skewed towards pornfags tho, so maybe make a blue /ic/?

>>4034117
if you give retarded advice its not because you draw porn, its because youre retarded.

>>4033938
Not sure about how well retweets did before but
>have nearly 10k followers
>retweet someone else's art that had ~13 likes after 7 hours
>now it has 200 likes
Doesn't seem that bad to me. Retweets are still shit for bumping your own art though.

>>4034121
No, it's because people who draw porn are out of touch, their advice isn't retarded if you draw porn.

>>4034131
>No, it's because people who draw porn are out of touch

heaven forbid you consider that you're out of touch. almost every artist (including big name professionals) have drawn porn at one time or another. its doesnt transform you into a blithering lurching sex starved monster all of a sudden. porn is fun get over it prude

>>4034012

>>4034016

Ok this is great falls in line with I've already envisioned and also adds some great ideas
I'll consider both as I move on
If I move on..

>>4034022
I love this.

>>4034139
I have drawn sexual shit but I'm not out of touch because it's not my career. These threads are the equivalent of actors and actresses talking about career but half the posters are pornstars.

>>4034149
>implying that most people who draw porn dont draw anything else
>implying that people who fuck for a living and people who act in movies is a valid comparison for people who draw different subject matter

>>4034156
>>implying that most people who draw porn dont draw anything else
come on, most pornfags I know can't even draw a different body type than THICC, or the other gender, and I have seen none of them draw something that isn't porn at any time so cut the bullshit

>>4033723
>>4033725
I've seen lots of Japanese art blogs constructed from imageboards where the admin is the only one who can make threads, post images or bump.

>>4034071
You can go make /wsic/ on 8ch if you really can't stand to look at tiddies.
But you won't get the users you want because your types don't come to imageboards in the first place.

>>4034080
the most interesting part of tumblr was the ecological niche on the borderline of pornography, which is a perfectly fine thing. it never was the kind of website you visit to get a quick fap in, more like a bookstore with an erotica section that serves as an alibi shelve to take the heat off of a few books with explicit themes that are actually decent.

>>4033981
I want my lewd arts uncensored.

>>4034014
Don't most sites have an option to link your social media and auto post as you upload?

>>4034323
Just black bar a jpg before uploading and upload the regular version to your patreon.

>>4033698
I have lived long enough to read someone PRAISING Tumblr's shitty tag system.
Tags are useless unless you already know the person's blog and want to see his art with a given tag, cause global searches work like ass. Even YouTube searches are less crippled.

>>4033718
>>4033871
>>4034012
Anon already sorta went in the direction I was gonna propose, and here I thought people would call me crazy...

Make an ANONYMOUS imageboard entirely dedicated to art. Start small, with as few boards as possible, and expand as traffic grows.

Integrate with the imageboard a "gallery" section where people can have a username and showcase their artwork, relevant links, etc.
Don't make it limited by amount, but put limits on image resolution/filesize if you need to save resources. If I'm not mistaken Furaffinity defaults to 960px max on the widest dimension (can be bypassed) and 2mb in filesize (can't be bypassed). Hardly anyone needs more than 2mb for a single picture.

On the imageboard side of things, users can choose to post with password-protected usernames (which link to the profile), but it should be used just as a way to confirm your skill/authority during an argument or when art is delivered and you want to be recognized. No one wants a bunch of namefags bickering all day for the sake of it.

Mods absolutely should NOT be able to see profile IPs, only poster IPs, otherwise people looking for drama will apply to be mods in order to stalk on other artists. Only the Admin(s) should be able to see it, and we can only hope it's an Admin with integrity to keep it relevant to moderating the community.

Long story short, it wouldn't be a place to follow artists and get updates when they upload new art; it would instead be an open gallery you can link to anyone combined with an open-discussion imageboard community, like a bigger /ic/ with the option to show your work when necessary.

Opinions?

PS: creating the platform is one thing, moderating is a completely different different monster to beat, that's why monopolizing big platforms always win in the end.

>>4034583
Here's a tl;dr:

- Imageboard, boards separated by themes;

- Individual user galleries/summaries, not linked anywhere;
- - Maybe tags would be ok to have, I don't know;
- - A PM system (can also receive anonymous PMs) would be useful;

- Option to post anonymously or with a username that links back to above mentioned user page;

That's about it. Here's a random example of user gallery I got from Toyhouse, looks swell:
https://toyhou.se/448534.elymelusinias-

>>4034583
>>4034587
When you say imageboard, do you mean a danbooru style board or a futaba style board (i.e. 4chan)? Because I don't really see how the latter would work.

>>4034591
Yes, a 4chan.
It would work just like it does now, but with a handy gallery page on the side. You can even be multiple people if you want/need to, for instance a furry porn and a Christian portrait painter.

The anonymous posting would be the barrage against the same fate DA has fallen to with all the delusional bad artists in their hugbox.

>>4034072
pyw

>>4034632
So you want another community focused site instead of something like an actually good gallery with good tagging, good discoverability and good search/filter options? Why?

>>4033771
and how is this any new?
I

I don't think this deserves a new thread but it seems appropriate enough for this one.
Does anyone use the amino app? Is it worth it? Is there decent enough community's? I always seen youtubers shill this out.

>>4034548
I'm talking about the old tag system from like 2015. Tags worked great back before Tumblr implemented the search system a few years ago, Fandoms were basically bound by the tags, you could follow tags and would see whenever a tag was updated with new work, you could have all your interests laid out in a list of tags and whenever a tag was updated, the tag list would say "1 new post."
You could go to a tag and see all searches with it in chronological order (which you can still do, but the feature is hidden). It was a very useful system both as a creator and a consumer, but Tumblr devs are retarded so they decided to replace it with the current search system instead.

>>4034760
I've dipped my toes. It's not terrible, it's very community oriented if that's your thing. But it's also aimed mainly at kids/teens, so I'm not fond of it.

>>4034697
Cause all current communities are complete garbage. A more "discoverable" art gallery might be better for landing jobs with companies, but ArtStation already exists for that.

I have been on Tumblr, Twitter, DeviantArt, ArtStation, Newgrounds, Furaffinity and Weasyl.

Out of all of these, the only one where I actually felt welcome and like people were engaged/interested in my art was FurAffinity.
I don't even like furry art, but I made my own furry OC and tried to output some artwork with it - and it actually worked, I wasn't even doing NSFW or provocative art, just happy, colorful and fun stuff.

I have since abandoned that place, but I still wonder what gives. I think the nature of the website as a "containment zone" for a niche, instead of being an all-purpose general platform, is what makes the community more tight-knit. Or maybe the average age, since furry was more trendy in the past and nowadays people who are still into it are more likely to be in their late 20s or 30s.

>>4034583

>>4034587

>>4034632

I like what you're going with, but I feel like that would be alienating for most artists with it being anonymous like 4chan.
I would like a place for all walks of life sorta like how deviant art used to be. Making it like an image board would just make it another niche. But I'm sort of split over what I would like and what everyone needs. I'm falling towards the latter. Although adding a sort of a image board would be a good idea for a sense of community.
Also the moderation thing is seriously true it could really make or break a platform and I'm glad you brought that point up.
Making the site it self is nothing, but getting people to use it and like it is another thing.
A major issue is picking between self moderation
And having admins/mods doing the work

>>4033875
Wrong post
>>4033936
Until they inevitably 404. At least Twitter is associated with an account and name, and can be updated whenever.

>>4034877
furries in general are far more supportive and nice to one another, not as aggressively competitive as other sites/artists
the stigmatization towards furry art is slowly fading, but furaffinity will likely retain itself as a containment site like deviantart, forcing again twitter as a necessary addition

>>4034200
>But you won't get the users you want because your types don't come to imageboards in the first place.
Not that anon, where do they go? I need other places for a breath of a fresh-air.

>>4033624
What about own self-designed portfolio-website hosted on a free host? Do these make any sense?

God I really fucking can't stand the likes of Twitter and Instagram.
At least during deviantART's heyday, it was a containment board for a majority of artists and creative's where we could hang out in peace away from normies and the like. Now I have to deal with them everytime I decide to post my work on their sites and I don't want to.
Shit fucking sucks, and the more time passes from dealing with them the more evidence there is that it NEEDS to happen again.

>>4033767
Deviantart made me.

I have never achieved a similar community or such an interactive fanbase. Only the people I became associated with deviantart are still stuck with me today. They have all migrated to Twitter. I've watched their art grow over ten+ years and they have mine.

I have never achieved such a following again. Tumblr was an accessory to my DA.

I received a daily deviation as a teenager also that really pushed me more with the following it generated. I was able to get commissions and a decent income as a teenager/early 20s nobody too.

I hate Twitter and have no real "home" now.

>>4033624
Instagram is a great place to get artists and normies alike, but the hassle it is to repost contents makes it harder to grow on there compared to retweeting or reblogging.

I remember last year an app called Vero launched that was going to be an ig with artists in mind. A lot of artists were preaching for it since ig was on some bullshit with the algorithms. Then you hear the reports that the CEO was basically forcing people into labor camps at his previous business kek.

>>4033718


Well, there's Pawoo and Baraag but most people are scared.......

>>4033981
Dont forget they also had PIXIV FANBOX which is basically their Patreon and they are Loli OK

Just a few setbacks

>Paypal not allowed to pledge NSFW cause Japanese Laws (but creators can still set up Paypal to get their cash just fine even when their page is NSFW, at least for now)
>Mosaic/Black Bar censorship cause Japanese Site.

>>4034169
>>4034149
>>4034131
>>4034117
Post your work if you're so knowledgeable about creating art and what requirements need to be fulfilled to be allowed to post on /ic/ then. Surely with such a strong opinion you have the ability to back it up, no?

Your delusional obsession with what other people draw has fried your brain, according to what I'm reading.

>>4033624
Nah i’ll leave for Newgrounds before that.

>>4033938
What a fucking shit

Just stop making porn and fanarts and use your energy to create something personal instead of being lazy copypcats or pandering to furfags holy shit.

>>4036995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc

I honestly feel if they displayed highly rated hand picked work on the front page instead of recent post then people wouldn't think DA was such a trash heep. It's always been that way it's just more noticeable now because they display it the minute you go on the site.

>>4033624
Damn I wish conceptart.org was back. They used to have actual professionals there just in the forums. Now on artstation there's basically no interaction. And Twitter/Instagram arent much better in that way

>>4037017
actually designing something >>>>>>>>>>> porn fanart

>>4037409
Cope

>>4036995
I've been doing this for years and I have 50 followers, I know people who are way better than me and still have 50 followers
Social media is cancer, you HAVE to draw soulless fanart of stuff you don't give a fuck about and say "I made a doodle :3" and all that obnoxious fake disgusting shit. You literally have to sell your soul for likes, it makes me sick.

>>4037451
That's not true at all. I follow lots of artists who don't or very rarely draw fanart, do what they enjoy and they have tons of followers on social media.

>>4037451
I almost only draw original stuff and I've managed to creep way up to ~550 followers so far. I think doing original works definitely makes it harder to find a following than with fanart, but it's doable and the audience you do gain won't be as fickle.
People like fanart because it's something they recognize and have a pre-existing attachment to, I feel if you want to make original works you have to put more effort into making your art stand out than you would if you did fanworks. What I mean by that is I think it helps to work harder to make pieces that feel unique and stand out. If you look at artists with a lot of followers on social media who mainly draw original content they often have unique styles and voices that make their art instantly recognizable, and often draw pieces that convey more than something like a simple pinup would. Basically I think it helps to push yourself to make more unique ideas, and pieces with a sense of feeling to them so that you can stand out from other artists.

>>4037530
>they often have unique styles and voices that make their art instantly recognizable, and often draw pieces that convey more than something like a simple pinup would
I received this kind of praise on /ic/ and out
ironically you posted an image with a style that thousands of people have

>>4037545
Whats your style like?

>>4033624
Deviantart haha

>>4037451
suck it up and draw pirate johnny depp like normal artists do.

>>4033624
What are upcoming sites trying to fill the void?
I only know about Pillowfort and Artri.se
I want to try and bet on the black horse

Porn is good for the board because it makes landwhales and sjw-spergs uncomfortable.

>>4037523
That means they got fame years ago and already had a built up fanbase.

Usually the only artists that get lots of fans but doesn't rely on fanwork is having a artstyle like pic related. Lots of people like this "squishy" body art.

>>4038041
>it's porn
kill yourself twice

>>4038047
I thought that was the discussion in question.
I don't know much sfw original work being as popular outside of one artist I liked for years being Rongs123. But again, it's been done with years of established fans.

>>4034071
COPE

>>4033718
If you actually go through with it, dont follow Deviantarts example. Their UI had that ugly pea soup colored UI and its an outdated cluster fuck to use.

Something minimalist but reflects that it's a site for artists first and foremost.

>>4034764
Instagram does that.

>>4034760
Mobile only. Pure trash. A hassle to navigate as an artist and people just follow each other because every time you enter a group you get the chance to follow everyone.
So numbers are meaning and your art gets lost in an ocean of shit.
Not worth it.
>I always seen youtubers shill this out.
A good product always sells itself.
A shit product needs to be sold.

>>4034583
>Make an ANONYMOUS imageboard
dead on arrival

SPEAKING OF DEVIANATART

Did anyone ever complete that 100 idea challenge? I remember that being the craze back then. I dropped out at 20. I wanna bring it back. And see how far I get now.
It be interesting to see /ic attempt something similar but it probably crash on day one.

>>4038599
What is it?
Make it anyway, and on DAD too, only good can come of it.

>>4038599
Post it anon, I can't find it and I'm intrigued.

>>4038599
https://www.deviantart.com/100themeschallenge/blog/33698666/
I don't feel like creating a huge wall of text so there's a link. My 2008 is showing.
>>4038610
>>4038631

>>4037451
I just checked people I follow, I don't like fanart o most of them usually only post original work. The minimum subscribers the have is 500, max 200k
Most have no other social presence
If you juste have a niche, or appealing, or exceptionnally tecnical style (or just solid I guess), you can probaby gain a following.

>>4036599
>Paypal not allowed to pledge
Can you use VCC though?

>>4034031
Then don't draw a hard penis you retard.

>>4038800
What is even the point of living like this?

>>4038800
>>4038813
Lmao

>>4038813
>He doesn't like soft penises
Tastelet confirmed

>>4038642
I don't know, would people be willing to do this?

>>4038800
no

>>4038819
hard penis are nice in the mouth,,, UwU

>>4038939
I like it when the penis is kind of soft, its exciting to feel it get hard in my mouth.

>>4037025
On the contrary; before the "undiscovered" and the "popuiar" display was the default one for users, I would get a few followers for every new art I posted.
Now, the (((ALGORITHM))) picks what's "undiscovered" from a pool of artists who are not big names yet but have already a solid following and ratio of likes. Basically they added two layers of "popular artists" and "semi-popular artists" and you can't easily enter either, being thrown at the Sonic OC kiddy pool with no chance of getting noticed.

>>4037017
Cool video, thanks for sharing.I gotta watch Synedoche New York, my teacher was always mentioning it back in college.

>>4033981
Pixiv has one serious problem - you can't see all works of an artist if you aren't logged in, only selected ones. In the past you also weren't able to see normal sized art even from a direct link without logging in, though I don't know if this shit is still there or if they got rid of it.

Still, Pixiv is probably the best out there for now, though it's simply less shit than others rather than being actually good.

>>4037017
>what creatively bankrupt artists tell themselves so they can sleep at night

>>4038642
Damn I have a clear idea for every single one of these but am too /beg/

>>4039173
Draw them son, even if you don't post them. You should draw them for experiences. Gotta work out those art muscles.

>>4038642
>1. Introduction
Damn, I got nothing other then like a doodle of myself. Meet the artist bull carp. I guess that's my inner thot.

>>4038642
So is this just like Inktober with the one word themes and you just draw whatever?

>>4039598
Pretty much. No real rules. Just draw and have fun!

>>4033718

Building a website is easy, getting a strong and consistent community of users is hard.

>>4033718
I remember ages ago someone tried to build their own art website. It was small and a lot of the artistes where hobbyist. Then out of no where the furries came dominating the new submissions. A lot of people soon abandon the site. I did too I don't know what happen to it or what the name was. I could never find it again.

>>4033767
Well, something they did chased people away.

People just flock to sites that have good artists posting on them. Eventually the site gets oversaturated and has a more amateurish repurtation than it did in the beginning. The professionals move one to a new hip site. It's an inevitable cycle.

>>4033624
Didn't mention anything about Instagram?

>>4034092
I honestly miss when Tumblr was a haven for sick fucks/guro fags. I fit right at home with them but fucking sparkly sjw types have to ruin everything.

>>4034583
Where do I find a girl like this Anons?

>>4039835
>have to use loopholes to use basic features on pc
>image compression worse than Twitter
>popular tags are spammed with unrelated content
>no mods
It's popular but not suited for artists.

>>4039678
tell another scary story

>>4034092
I miss the thinspo tag it helped inspire me to lose a lot of weight and plenty of references for skinny girls

I just want an art page like FA but for all kind of art, it's just so easy to use and gives great customization for a profile. I like how minimalistic the interface is too, unlike how messy DA was.

>>4034092
It was very good as a gallery platform due to the way reblogging/liking worked (easy to spread) and the tagging system. Really, the issues with it were just community issues and the bad devs.
>>4039974
I've been lurking Tumblr since 2011(?) and I agree. The social justice garbage was no where near as cancerous, now it seems like the norm.

>>4040024
I feel like it's almost impossible to get popular on Instagram these days. It's always the same people with 300k followers. I made several accounts over time and the suggestions were always the same people.

bump
Tell me/us more stories about golden age of deviant art that you guys have.
I'm always interested in golden ages of creative communities and projects

>>4039835
Instagram sucks.
You can only post on the app and it has awful image compression.
Only reason anyone uses it is because everyone else does. Not becaise its the best.

I just wish deviant art would revamp their website. It's still the best platform for posting art in my opinion but due to its bad reputation and all the good artists leaving, no one wants to use it anymore.

>>4040647
I posted my gallery on deviantart and I got 0 views on everything, not likes, views. Despite tagging. If I submitted shit to groups (all of which were half dead for my subject matter) I got like 15 views.
>inb4 anon says my art is probably bad and his porn tagged #pokemon #bigtitties got him views just fine

>>4034072
pathetic

Pyw

>>4040708
Start drawing fetishes and you will get 1000 views in no time. Not even kidding.

So who's gonna make the "art website that doesn't suck" discord?

>>4042092
Seriously, I drew some sfw trap/femboy art a year back and it got a lot more popular than any of my other stuff, the only thing that's more popular in it in my gallery is some Detlrune fanart.

>>4033718
Write it in C

>>4036028
Big yikes. Back to /trash/ with you!

The one thing I really love in art communities is collaborative projects/works
Any way that could be beneficial in a theoretical art website that has all the ideas in the thread so far already?
Also, the average ideal age range in this website should be adult, right? Would it be terrible for teens to access it?

>>4034071
Yeeees
Yes yes yes please! I don't want to share the same place as them!

>>4042450
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

at least we stay in our general. Anime brainlets are way worse

>>4042092
>Start drawing fetishes and you will get 1000 views in no time. Not even kidding.
See >>4034071
Kill yourself

never let too many people in an art website community
even chase out new people if it gets too crowded

>>4038309
>A good product always sells itself.
NGMI, do you really think it's true? In CURRENT YEAR?

>>4038309
>A good product always sells itself.
How do I know that you're a pornfag?

>>4039796
Honestly have no idea what took it down. The shit-tier fanart and weird fetish art didn't overtake the place overnight, it was there way before the site fell. Something happened and now that cringe is the first thing that comes to mind when mentioning the site.

>>4044510
what happened is that other big sites started pushing their garbage out of site and presenting themselves as professional and brand-friendly, re-contextualizing the sleazy fetish-bait and con-artistry that used to be part and parcel of being on the internet as fringe.

>>4044510
>Something happened
social media got huge and breadwinning artists migrated, and everyone migrated along until only donut steels and inflation fetishists remained

Here's the perfect website
-hosted in a country that doesn't give a fuck
-max 100 pictures per gallery unless you subscribe
-subscription must be something affordable, like $5 month
-booru structure of browsing with tags always on the left
-anyone can tag any picture, but the artist can delete unwanted tags
-forced anonymity when commenting
-you follow tags, not users
-you can blacklist tags
-if you want to follow an artist, you follow his tag
-you can see how many people follow specific tags
-user page is simple, has the artist links, a small customizable box for commission info and last uploaded pictures in a grid(if an artist), and below it a grid with latest favorites

>>4044887
>affordable, like $5 month
>booru structure
I hate pornfags so much

>>4033981
>good tagging system
You kidding? Have you ever used a booru?

>>4044887
>anyone can tag any picture, but the artist can delete unwanted tags
>if you want to follow an artist, you follow his tag
That's ripe for exploitation, people would just tag themselves with more popular artists for attention

>>4044887
>>4046308
what would monthly subscription be for? packs of porn? comics? wallpapers? or is it subscribing to the website for premium features?
what would premium features even be? I hope it isn’t an actual necessity unless you’re aiming for a professional demographic
>>4046863
forced anonymity commenting can also make possible drama shenanigans if that’s even possible
what would be a better tagging system also?

>>4034877
the reason why tumblr, twitter, deviantart, etc. sites have become so shitty is because they're resource-heavy and thus need to be heavily monetized. As much as they get blamed for it, the sjw's weren't responsible for tumblr's decline. it was yahoo/verizon. the company couldn't (and still can't) figure out how to make tumblr profitable, they foolishly thought getting rid of the porn and other "unsavory" content would make it more advertiser friendly but it didn't. instead it made thousands of people jump ship.

at the end of the day social media always comes down to how much money they can make from advertising. they don't actually care about making a good platform for artists, they just want it to be good enough so ad companies can sell you more shit.

>>4044887
All of these sound like fucking awful ideas.
Fuck off.

>>4044887
>-max 100 pictures per gallery unless you subscribe
>-subscription must be something affordable, like $5 month
Your plan places all of the cost burden on artists/content providers instead of browsers. That makes no sense and limits income stream to possibly less than 1% of users.

>-forced anonymity when commenting
Artists join social media largely for networking, and you've just removed it from the equation.

>-anyone can tag any picture
This is only attractive to browsers and hoarders, not artists who need to feel some semblance of control and ownership over their page.

All you seem to want is another image dump. There's a reason most artists don't use e-h, paheal, or booru as their web presence.

>>4044887
this minus the anon comments. and subscription

>>4034071
Imagine coming to 4chan while being triggered by titties. Just leave if you don't like it here, nobody is forcing you to stay.

>>4034071
HOLY SHIT FUCKING CHADPILLED

>>4033718
One thing you need to consider is whether you want to make a site for artists to post among other artists, or a site where artists can reach non-artists and gain following and clients. While the former approach tends to keep the content somewhat more high quality its downside is that it's pretty much just preaching to the choir in an isolated bubble. Tumblr, however, was fucking excellent at the latter, which helped artists reach normalfags and gain following, but the downside was that you had an ocean of piss to waddle through to find the good stuff.

>>4036379
but normies are the only way to get rich and famous. artist are narcissistic pieces of shit who care only about themselves and no one else. i have had more love and attention from normies than any other artist i know.

I remember there was this art site made by a bunch of weebs ages ago and it was all the rage. Forgot the name or what happened to it.

Anyways, if I were to make an art site, I'd rather it be very straight-forward and offer just enough features to be user-friendly and organized. One thing I had in mind was required and moderated tagging. Can't stand when attention-whores spam irrelevant tags, but I also hate when, like on twitter, you can't find a lot of (good) art because it's not tagged properly. Users can file reports or suggestions for proper tags, but to avoid abuse, only the artist or the mods/admins have the ability to change them.

There's also be a standardized layout (no CSS editing) to avoid broken and unreadable pages like you sometimes see on tumblr. The layout itself would be a mix of deviantart and tumblr/twitter. One section would be dedicated to blog stuff (reblogging/retweeting is a good way to get eyes on your work) and another would be a gallery where you can find an artist's work without a bunch of other shit like reaction images or linked news articles.

>>4052235
More ideas:
Like tumblr used to be, the site would be 18+ only to avoid "think of da minurz!". Anyone admitting to being a minor, especially to get their way with what content is allowed to be posted, gets banned.

Adding more to the tagging system, like reddit, there would be some mandatory "pre-made" tags (original content, fan art, nsfw, etc.). I'd even go further and include a "fetish" tag as well and have that automatically filtered for users (unregistered or not) unless they change it. That way the site won't have the same problem DA has with magic horses in diapers on the front page.

Blogspot and Wordpress blogs need to return. It's really just that simple.

>>4052258
Blogspot is google garbage.

You could post to DA and try to uplift the degeneracy to decent stuff ratios in efforts to make it what it probably set out to be.

>Newgrounds has always been the hero we don't deserve.

>try newgrounds
>browse art
>furry everywhere
>exclude furry tag
>still furry
That's a no from me.

>>4033767
>Could buy laptop bags and merch straight from the company
I'm still upset I never got one of those bags.

>>4037614
Is Artri.se going to be yet another furry site when furaffinity and inkbunny exist?

>>4044887
I think good tagging would be a killer feature for discoverability, but then I realize it would be impossible to enforce a tag-what-you-see of actually tagging male-looking stuff as "male" and female stuff as "female" without causing massive drama thanks to certain kinds of artists.

>>4033981
better start learning Japanese and migrate works to Pixiv and Pawoo

>>4033981
>>works great as just a gallery
lolno you deranged pornfag you have to register yourself to see a full gallery and nobody has a pixiv except weebshit artists and lolicons

Please come up with a competent name that isn't retarded. What are people thinking when naming some of these sites? God, Behance? wtf.

>>4052831
Um. Yeah, while we're at it

Why aren't you guys using Behance?

Is ConceptArt down for good?

>>4034071
18+ doesn't mean "ONLY PORN", shithead

>>4033624
The only acceptable site for artists has always just been Pixiv.

Fuck your gayfaggot thought police in the west.

>>4053076
>Fuck your gayfaggot thought police in the west.
Compared to japan that censors all porn?

>>4053078
Putting a tiny pixelation over genitals is absolutely nothing compared to censoring whole artstyles.
I see no problem with censoring genitals, in contrary, I actually think it's a good idea to keep IRL pussy fresh and interesting, while still being able to watch porn.

Has anyone else here tried this? Is this true?

>>4053072
>18+ doesn't mean "ONLY PORN", shithead
yes it does, and it's because of cumbrains like you

>Not having a flickr accounf with your stuff
>No neocities custom page
>Not posting on blogspot
Get some taste, nerds
On a more serious note, I'd like to post my stuff and get some recognition, maybe make some friends too... Tumblr is mostly empty I feel, and Instagram is horrible

>>4053325
I have just now, it feels like I'm getting likes faster than normal

>>4033624
Twitter was always fucking garbage. What changed now?

>>4053933
shadowbanning up the wazoo. it was enough to get me off twitter for days.

>>4056971
https://shadowban.eu

Post results.

>>4057009
>says I'm search banned
>tried searching from:@AnonTwitHandle in a incognito window as well as asked my friend to do a search
>I show up on all accounts
I don't get it, what is this supposed to mean?

>>4057009
>started an nsfw twitter a few months ago
>initial tweets got a lot of attention
>now all tweets barely get noticed no matter what kind of tags I use
>enter name in this site
>I'm fucking banned from search results and search suggestions
Fuck twitter holy shit.
All this time I thought it was just me.
They are literally keeping me from establishing a fanbase.

>>4059622
Do you post borderline banned material, or engage in politics/unpopular opinions/trolling?

While I'm sorry you're shadowbanned, the glass half full perspective is that your posts are less likely to be seen by those who would report you. Twitter relies on reports much like 4chan, so sometimes you can get away with more by being less visible, and developing your following slowly within circles of people who actively seek out that material.

>>4059741
Nothing I post is that obscene but I do tend to use pepes as reaction images and I follow political cartoon8sts like stonetoss so I guess that would be enough to get me banned since twitter thinks pepe= hitler.

I would suggest Minds would be a great website for artists to post art, but the only issue is because it's an early alt-tech website, 90% of the website is politics at this point.

Maybe /ic/ can set camps in that website and diversify its content?

>>4036599
>Mosaic/Black Bar censorship cause Japanese Site.
IMO that kind of "censorship" is good. Actual porn is for patreon and commissions, why would you give it out for free? You usually also don't upload the high-res 4k+ drawings either for the same reasons.

>Paypal not allowed to pledge NSFW cause Japanese Laws (but creators can still set up Paypal to get their cash just fine even when their page is NSFW, at least for now)
Does Cash/Square works for that?

>>4052815
or just use the site in English.

>>4034076
Very much so yes.

>>4033624
>MUH ALGORITHM
>MUH FREELANCE JOB THAT SHOULD BE A BOOMING BUSINESS
>MUH INABILITY TO ADOPT FEATURES THAT APPEAL TO THE MASSES SO MUCH SO THAT I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT THE ROBOT DOES

>>4033981
The day I saw my own drawing next to Pixiv's results made me realize just how behind I am, just how weak I am.

>>4033938
>twitter
>for artwork
holy shit, that's like trying to mix cement with a twig, it just doesn't work unless you've already had a following. Better to be on the Instagram Explore page via hashtags than on Twitter's shit """gallery"""

>>4063002
but twitter allows anime tiddies

>>4063065
So does every other social media site.
Doesn't mean twitter is a good environment for artists.

>>4063065
that's true, but so does everywhere else. Instagram loves Hype beast shit and Tumblr likes low-tier artwork that resemble Behance rejects. Twitter has no real "trend" or a certain aim for artwork, just pornography.

>>4063103
but how can i draw a naked lady without being banned

>>4063157
I'm not saying you can't but that if you do you'll need to make a sacrifice, which may or may not be woth it

>>4033624
Tumblr was sold for 3 million

/beg/ and webdevanon here. I'm down to build something if we can agree on guidelines & someone can create a basic monetization model. Don't need to make money but it needs to be able to support itself.

It's mostly data transfer that adds up quickly (S3 = $0.10 per GB). Storage not so much. Let's say an average user views 500 pics per month @ max size of 2MB per pic = 1GB per month per user on the safe side. That's $0.10 per user per month in transfer cost alone

We need a decent model to finance the upkeep

Charge creators a monthly fee? Charge every users? Freemium for users with bonus stuff if they pay?

Plenty of ideas here about the actual website but we need to get the $$$ model down before we start outlining functionality

If we can tap into the patreon pool of creators we can have decent cash inflow since many of them make good enough cash from their work to want a good portfolio/presence. But they're not gonna pay $100 or even $50 a month just to host some pics

Users on the other hand (non creators) aren't gonna pay to browse art. These are tumblr reblog style followers, they're used to free stuff

And the furry stuff is easy to solve. Clear distinctions between SFW, NSFW (artistic), NSFW (porn)

Warning system for wrong tagging porn stuff, x strikes and you're out. The masses don't want furry porn on their homepage. Filter = SFW on default, easy to switch to artistic NSFW (top of page or on per pic basis), harder to switch to porn NSFW (eg in settings)

Maybe charge NSFW porn creators/followers? I see pornbux memes here all the time, if it really makes $$ and we can make like a subsite and we can use the porn stuff to (mostly) fund the total site. People will always pay for porn

Oh shiit I just got a legit idea for recurring $$$

I'm gonna start developing right now, feel free to give any input on my last few posts

We doing this

Art instances of the fediverse. pawoo, baraag, etc. At least when one of the goes to shit, a large chunk of your followers on other instances don't have to migrate with you.

>>4046858
it's a good tagging system compared to literally every other social media site

Anyone who is trying to make their own alternative, please implement activitypub. You basically get a userbase of 3 million right off the bat.

>>4063622

Googled one of those: "Freely share all types of art. This instance welcomes loli, shota, fan works, graphic violence, and any sexual depiction expressed as a piece of fiction"

That's a no from me mate. Again, 98% does not want furry porn, young anime girls, gore, etc on their pages. Anywhere. Think deviantart before it went low quality and furry

If this is going to have some success we need to cater to the large public while still having the functionality that makes a great platform

>>4063641
It doesn't really matter, though. Just pick a different instance if you don't like that. They're all compatible so you can go on Pawoo or make your own instance and anyone from one server can follow/interact with anyone on the others.

>>4063645

So what exactly do you mean? That we just use an instance as the platform? Or some way to publish from such an instance to the platform? Not really grasping the idea here.

>>4063661
It's more like a protocol. Any website that implements the protocol are compatible with each other. So we can use your own custom made site as an example:

>you make your own art gallery website
>you implement the activitpub protocol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub))
>any user on any website who also implements the same protocol can follow users on your new site and vice versa

So if a user already has an account on something like baraag, pawoo, etc., they don't actually have to make a new account to interact with users on your website. Likewise, any users on your website can follow/like/share/comment/message people on other compatible websites.

>>4063679

Ah that makes sense. This would make it very dangerous regarding costs tho since it can blow up very fast with thousands of users from other sites. Bandwidth costs are still a bitch Maybe some kind of resolution/size limit for non paying users...

I am 100% convinced I can create something awesome here but the costs worry me. It needs to be able to finance itself longterm.

Pic related

>>4063690
oof

>>4063682
Not necessarily. I believe there are options to configure how offsite data is cached. If I recall correctly, there's a way to disable it entirely so any media is fetched from the original source. This was intended for when you interact with servers that contain material that is illegal for you yourself to host.

By default, I think your server only caches what is shared from your users. So if you have user1@mysite who shares something from user2@othersite, only that piece of media gets cached to your server.

>>4063748

It would still expose stuff hosted on our CDN to the influx of new users. But you're right, that would definitely limit exposure.

S3 is also pretty expensive, I've found $40/TB for transfer at another provider which is decent. But we'd still need some kind of income whether from creators, commission fees or end users

And consensus on what exactly to implement

>>4063758
Not sure how much it helps, but Baraag has 20k users and costs about $150/month. Given how controversial the content they host is, you'd probably have an easier time finding something cheaper.

Also not sure on the idea of imageboards

>general public gets confused by them
>do we allow anonymous posts even if signed in?
>do threads actually disappear (normies will be like wtf where'd it go?)
>why image boards if we have /ic/ ?

So much stuff to figure out. Might make a new thread for specifics where we can start fresh and focus on which functions to implement + finding a legit financial model to keep it in the air

>>4033718
pixiv or Nijie?
I know they are specifically animu and shiet but it's the only one currently working out for me. Maybe you can take a look on how they do stuff.

Tumblr might be dead when it comes to nsfw art but I checked on some other artists I used to follow and they are still getting reblogs/likes in the 5 digits.

>>4063771

Made it: >>4063820

>>4063805

They've been on Tumblr for a long time though and have loyal fan bases that will stick around even if they don't post porn

>>4059770
You follow stonetoss, a literal (not strawman meme) alt-right retard that retweets tinfoil hat theories about how "they" are trying to destroy white people. Even if you agree with that stuff, you shouldn't interact with people/stuff like that on your main account due to people using block bots and the such.

>>4065935
I might be less derisive about such topics on the very day a fresh Google leak shows them singling out even questions about ethnic survivability (but only white people) as hate-speech internally and flagging content as possibly worth punishment for even bringing up.

>>4066035
>Pizzagate
>just a "crazy" "fake news" conspiracy
>Genuinely thinking this after the Epstein incident

>>4066071
The whole company is apeshit. Can't find it at the moment, but they have a whole slide breaking down how "algorithmic discrimination" occurs when a minority image-searches for something like 'doctor' and they don't have identical representation with the majority. So they have to 'fix' the algorithm until everyone shows equally, which they call 'equitable'. It's all dysfunctional Marxist garbage, just written in 1s and 0s.

>>4066098
Fucking what? Why do they think anyone cares?

If a black dude wanted to look up a picture of a black doctor he'd just google black doctor.

>>4066104
It's not about a well-functioning search engine. It's about an ideological war, and in their ideology the devil is whoever is on top, no matter why or how; the assumption is that their being there is evidence of guilt in getting there. Things of productive strength are by default to be villified and they'll come up with new imaginary lines to draw around it like 'heteronormative' to put a ten-dollar villain moniker to the enemy. The implication being that there's some grand institution responsible for all ills. You hear it all the time; white, male, cis, any religion besides Islam or Judaism (especially Christianity and now even Buddhism), European, so on and so on.

Watch the Democratic Socialist debates that happened recently. Or hell, hang out on Twitter/Tumblr more. Their only core tenet is that whoever is on top will be torn down, and they eat eachother once they lack an external enemy because it's all they know how to do. So whitey has to go, but they're trying it slowly this time, approaching it like an advertising campaign. Social engineering is way more powerful than most people realize.

>>4038738
the hell is VCC?

>>4066218
Virtual conman currency

>>4065935
Except Stonetoss isnt alt-right....

>>4066227
"Alt-right" was a boogyman term developed in the 2016 election cycle to mean anyone right-wing that doesn't color inside the Republican party lines. Nothing more than an implication that they're "dangerous" or "fringe", designed to stand in for "far-right" so that association could be made without sounding ridiculous for saying it.

Some people tried to own it, or co-opt it, but it's ultimately a non-term thrown about as freely as Antifa throws around "Fascist". Everyone from Libertarian Tea-Partiers to Neo-Nazis to actual Nazis are 'alt-right'. The easiest way to call someone on an accusation of the nature is to ask them to define it.

>>4066115
man this is super fucked up. I wish normies would realize the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse are at our doorstep and the reign of the free internet will be no more.

>>4043021
Fetishes =/= porn

Is this objectively the worst time to be a new name trying to make it?
All the available social media right now is absolute shit for art. Back when I fucking made MLP fanart I had over 5k watchers on deviantART, now that I rebranded and draw different things I struggle to go over 50. If I cared more about being popular quickly I'd have given up a long time ago.

>>4070189
You was popular with mlp because it has it's own booru where everyone can notice your existence.

>>4034583
I think an art critique/coaching system something akin to stackoverflow might actually attract enough artists to have a chance of not being DOA. People can post anonymously, but posting with a named account can earn you literal epoints for making quality posts helping others. Perhaps you can make epoints earned for art posts strictly anonymous, so users only earn points for the art and not for the name attached to it. Epoints can serve as both a carrot to participate, but also be redeemable for extra features or services. Bigger galleries, promoted postings, badges, etc.

>>4070336
Really like the idea, but gotta take it easy on the gamefication not to detract too much from initial goal.

E-points for being helpful is cool, cosmetic features for e-points earned also cool.
Actual features not so much, and the art/comments separation could be done by distributing different types of points instead of needing anonymity.

But then again, I'm imagining this all in a more DA-esque scheme, with a imageboard it'd be very bad cause all the pointless nameposting would kill the imageboard essence of it.

>>4033718
find open source code for an image board. copy the code. find webserver. host it.

>>4063577
what's the idea?

>>4070286
I guess, it was also a huge fandom, and it was 2012 deviantart. I'm just saying right now it's more difficult, there are no fandoms to suck up to either.

>>4070336
>People can post anonymously, but posting with a named account can earn you literal epoints for making quality posts helping others.
e-thots would immediately take over

>>4071033
desu there just isn't as much popular demand for illustrations any more. I think you can still get a decent following with quality animations, games (maybe even meme-tier visual novels) and anything that combines audio and visual in an interesting way.

>>4034076
It can take a seriously long fucking time to be scouted. If anyone bothers at all.

>>4071103
>desu there just isn't as much popular demand for illustrations any more
what changed? why don't people want illustrations anymore?
Hmm I bet I could learn to animate some tumblr style porn and get 10k followers in a month...

>>4071225
because you actually have to *look* at illustrations, whereas moving pictures and music are more active - they can sort of happen to you and still leave a vivid expression without you having to work for it

>>4071239
I don't understand how that correlates to the passage of time from 2012 to now. I suppose people are more used to easier to digest content?

>>4033624
>Is it finally time for another site to rise again...?
Why wouldn't you go where the people are? Everyone's on Twitter or Insta, that's where the money is. Even if it gets shittier there aren't any other places to go until one of them fucks up badly enough to have normalfags migrate somewhere else. I thought of trying R*ddit, but the rules and mods there too retarded to work well as a self-promotion tool, you gotta be really lucky for your posts to rise to the top.

>>4071257
How much traffic do you think R*ddit is losing to the Youtube videos that compile the "best" the site has to offer in easily digestible packaging? What percentage of kids prefers to for the most part watch let's plays instead of playing games themselves?
The reason for the shift in what users do with their free time on the internet is simply 'saturation'. There is enough easy to consume content for the things most people are interested in to keep them occupied for all of the free time they have.
This is even true for art. In 2012 you ran out of tutorials on a given topic very quickly and you had to look around on forums or try to find the information you were looking for in a book. Nowadays you have to make a conscious choice to venture out of that comfort zone because the edge of the pre-packaged world has receded far enough that it's easy to convince yourself that what lies beyond that point doesn't have anything to do with you.

Is there a way to fuck around with the urls to get the max resolution version of an upload even when the author hasn't enabled it?

I know i've previously stumbled across fullsize images via google before even when it wasn't accessable via DA itself; and I know the URL for those does include "original", but I was never able to figure out a repeatable process to get it to work.

>>4034012
>>4034140
100 is way too low, try like 500

>>4070785
>>4071046
I'm just focusing on a single feature that might actually attract artists of all skill levels and incentivize meaningful interaction between the them. I imagine this being in it's own section, so that the site can have art browsing and discovery along side to serve artists and their fans. It would take a lot of experimentation, but I imagine there exists a means to reward those who provide quality content in the mentoring section to be rewarded in the browsing section. I understand very well that there is a concern for established artists dominating any platform they participate on, but I think this can be mitigated with creative discovery and promotion solutions.

I can imagine art feeds that utilizes tags, tag groupings and filters. Tags would be more than just attached labels, they could also be used to filter results based on account types. If I was running the site, I'd experiment with multiple types of front page feeds: similar to reddits popular, new, hot, etc type of lists, I would try to create some that would favor newer, smaller, upcoming accounts along side the usual ones that dominate.

>>4071427
>that might actually attract artists of all skill levels and incentivize meaningful interaction between the them

>Nice drawing [anon_name] ;) check out my stream
>Nice drawing anon, but you have to work on the way you draw the little toe of the foot. It's crucial to make your art look professional. I happen to have a tutorial about that for 5$ check it out! Remember to always follow your dreams, NEVER QUIT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD and keep buying tutorials, you'll get there!
Assume the worst

>>4071455
Valid point. I have some ideas on how to mitigate such posting, but I think that would be a good problem to have atm because it would mean my site is functional and attracting users. At which experimenting with both community and admin based moderation policies would be necessary.

>>4071455
This post makes no sense, spamming is wrong (and rampant) on any platform, it's not about the model, but the moderation.
Tagging users would be cool, though, that way the community can self-moderate. Wonder if it would become Mad Max.

>>4071174
Yea if you suck at drawing and no one likes your pics.