/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>discord
Go fucking kill yourself you fucking tip begging morons

no, go away

the only art discords worth using are invite only ones that you need to network/befriend your way into

>>4018012
>>4018018
So if not for getting to know other people interested in drawing what do you think the servers should be for?

>>4018006
dilate

>>4018024
using other people to get better

Art is a lonely process for you see - when you grinding day and night, through bitter hatred and noise of crunching finger joints...in a bloody haze, on the edge of perception you enter psychic field of GMI.

All you can see are just another shades of grinding bois only rarely lifting their gase from canvases to greetingly nod at you, only to return back to work for another couple of hours. There's no reason to communicate in a fleeting useless moment...only goal matter...tools not so much...

...help...

>>4018006
Discord isn’t worth it, if you want friends go outside

>>4018018
Nobody needs you closed pseudo-elitist circlejerk faggy clubs

>>4018040
True

>>4018042
You can't find like-minded people in your own area retard.
How does this even work ? Talk to some random stranger and you are so sure they don't have any malice ?

>>4018035
Why couldn't you do both?
>>4018042
There aren't many people in my area that have similiar interests in illustration. Making friends online seems worth it to me.
>>4018040
Do you have to be bitter and hateful to be interested in drawing?

alright, op, I can give you... five (5) links. choose wisely

>>4018040
stop telling yourself bullshit lies, it's not healthy bro.
>>4018051
half of these are dead last time I checked.

>>4018051
In order from top to bottom
>2
>8
>11
>12
>19

Thank you!

>>4018054
>half of these are dead last time I checked.
that's all i have anyway

>>4018018
Let me guess, the server with tehmeh and your gay friends. Reminder these people crucified me years ago, banished me and then have the audacity to call themselves "private". Fuck discords and fuck you--especially you.

>>4018055
https://discord.gg/ZbYepV2
https://discord.gg/6MMhyfk
https://discord.gg/3FcWYhs
invetes are disabled, sorry, pick another one
https://discord.gg/5eXd4G4

>>4018051
Give me 5 of the best unknown ones that isn't posted on /ic/ every time.

>join server
100000000000000000000 channels and categories
Every fucking time. I've given up and now use Discord exclusively to talk to my friends..

>>4018067
>talk to my friends..
use telegram instead

>>4018069
I don't have a phone and neither do half of them.
I don't have IRL friends.

>>4018051
If you have the kaw discord can you post?

>>4018072
>I don't have a phone and neither do half of them.
what, is that for real?
>>4018075
no

>>4018063
How about the Kemono Friends one?

>>4018080
https://discord.gg/egqCSnF

>>4018067
well, large communities need a lot of channels. Even the smaller channels need at least a couple so that shit doesn't get blended together. If you don't like it join telegram, it's pretty comfy

https://discord.gg/JbRbZH4

>>4018059
the fact you have this stupid ass drama to fill my (yous) with just solidifies the fact public discords are autistic garbage

>>4018134

>>4018051
from top
2,9,10

from bottom
3,4

>>4018012
>>4018031
>>4018042
Why do people so viscerally hate discord? Nobody got this pissed at Skype groups way back nor did anyone get this buttblasted whenever IRC was brought up in ye olden times, yet both of those things were ad easily prone to being infected by shitters and power-trippers. What gives? Every single issue that discord has is just as prevalent in 4chan, Skype, and IRC if not more so
>>4018067
What's the difference between a discord with 20 channels and a website divided into 70 sections and each section divided into further sub-sections? Because we currently post on the latter and yet people are far more opposed to the former.

>>4018059
Lol fuck you too Nick

>>4018147
>What's the difference
Exactly my point, nigger. If I wanted a scatterbrained model with 1000000000000 parallel chats to keep up with, I would stay on 4chan and not look for a Discord server.

If I join a community, it means it should have a specific goal and limit its scope.

I once entered a anime series fanserver and it had 37 channels, including but not limited to "world politics", a different music channel for Japanese, Western and "other asian" and I shit you not a channel for each type of fan-media of the anime (music, drawings, sculptures and figures, cosplay and "others").

The server had around 200 people (10 online), the anime was 12 episodes long and wasn't even that popular.

>>4018147
I think the main difference between those two is that a server focused on art specifically when divided to 20 subchannels can have an effect where it's stretched too thin and each channel therefore having fewer participants.

In the case of 4chan each board is that category and haven't in most cases been stretched further.

It might be best to set up a category like art and then subdivide it as little as possible. So the way I would make a server would be to set up channels like:
>Main art (post and discuss any art, yours or someone elses. It would be required to name the artist)
>Animation (requirements above but with animation)
>NSFW (smut and still applying same requirements)
>A single voicechat (I don't think a server related to art needs subchats for gaming or every single textchannel. These atleast in my own experience mostly go unused)

You have to ask yourself, what do you want out of a discord group? is it critique, friendship, shitposting?

And then you have to structure the group around that,
You can't have a shitposty friend group that also offers critique, all these concepts clash and the group will be dead in a month.
Lets say you want to make a critique group, that has to be clear from the getgo, it's not about posting music and videogame memes, it's about giving and recieving critique.
If you want a group about socializing, you have to be more lenient on critique, nothing breaks friendships easier in art than not taking critique well.
Don't make a shitposting group, they suck

All of the /ic/ groups have the same flaws, they lack focus, I've seen it all before
>10+ channels about music, gaming, "offtopic", etc
get rid of them, they clutter the group
>calls itself an art group and only mentions critique as an "if you want" basis
You will never get critique in a group like this, nobody will ask for critique and nobody will recieve critique. Critique is not fun, it's hard work for both parties, if you want critique you have to incentivise it.
>shitposting/politics
I don't care what your stances are on how a group should be moderated, a group that's nothing but shitposting is not a good group, such an atmosphere totally ruins any form of community. You have to be a down-to-earth group where people can chat friendly and calmy
>excess mods
a mod is a janitor, not a noble, if someone joins the group and starts spamming virus porn links, that's what the mod is for. If you start moderating disagreements in conversations, you ruin the social dynamic, you can't force people to be nice, if people have an argument in the chat you have to let them have that argument, abruptly ending the conversation is just throwing dirt over the issue, let it play out, let people be adults. Also don't elect too many mods, having the power to ban someone is intimidating, that ruins the dynamic as well.

Discords are trash.
I've been in the LAS discord for ages but never posted because of the tight knit community of people already posting.
They have I think almost 30 different channels, let me list the worst ones.
Collab chat
A thunderdome channel that never gets used
A fucking fashion channel
Movies
Vidya
Music
A motherfucking language learning channel (????)
An animal channel (not for refs just stupid animal videos and pics)
A cooking channel
A channel specifically for announcing whenever someone of the members are streaming
And the one that makes me the most angry, a channel about sleeping 8+ hrs and talking about dreams.
There's about 700 members, always 100+ online and only about 15 people active.
What a fucking shitfest.

>>4018050
>Do you have to be bitter and hateful to be interested in drawing?
I can say only that there's quite little enjoyment in the process of drawing. Especially if you're trying to study or work on something outside of your comfort zone.

Nobody knows what fuels man's ambition but in the end all that left is bitterness, pain and fatigue. (with or without nice drawing on the side)
>>4018051
:thinking emoji:
Is that crimson daggers 4th from the bottom? I thought theirs forum is enough...speaking of which. I think forums are the best way of communicating about arts and farts. There's literally no reason for chat and direct communication when you're serious about drawing.

>>4018174
This is what I was saying, if you're going to make a group, you need to minimise the amount of channels you have
If you want to talk about language learning or cooking, make another group
the more groups you have, the more you spread out the conversation and the group appears dead, and then, because people think it's dead, it will geniunely become dead

>>4018174
Thunderstone is pretty active. Just mute the channels you don't want to use and hide them, man. I'm pretty active on Las and did that. That way I only hop in for art-relevant discussion.

>>4018146
that was one time offer for op

sinix server was good until tarrant thing happen, then mods went crazy.
then there was another "4ch official" art block or whatever. but again mods are massive fagots.
discord is basically ruined by asshurt mods. if you're a mod, go kill yourself.

>>4018158
To summarize, all the /ic/ groups suck, but I don't know the solution
Making yet another group doesn't sound like a good idea, but what can be done to make a good group or fix an existing one?

What are the fundamental things that a group needs to be interesting, and things a group must avoid?

>>4018187
This, a server is only as good as it’s mods. Shit mods/owners create shit servers. I’ve seen so many servers nuke themselves into oblivion this way.

>decide to give discord another try for the 100th time
>tab starts beeping
>close tab
Oh well.

>>4018190
dude just turn off notifications except for @yous

>>4018188
I would be interested in making a new server for /ic/ and or other art related people that doesn't fall into named pits in this thread.

If you have any concerns or something that you want/don't want to see in a server like this please list them here.

What I've gathered so far:
>mods need to relax, any type of drama should be disincentivized and for the most part moderating should only apply to people intentionally making things worse
>art focused, no +20 channels where most of them aren't related directly to art
>if you post your work expect critique and incentivize it. Don't encourage people to post just to get validation

Something I myself would see as beneficial:
>weekly or monthly events which people take part in. Collabs or some type of challenges, maybe homework that has to be reviewed by others?

Here's a new IC channel.
THIS TIME WE WILL DO IT RIGHT (aaaaahh hahahahahaha)

One art channel and one for general discussion.

https://discord.gg/g4R4fp2

>>4018188
Some things off the top of my head

>control the mods
mods always seem to powertrip and become the leaders of the group, they need to be kept in check, have a voting system to kick/ban instead of mods, or maybe have the mods be required to only be able to ban if the offending content meets very specific rules, allow no room for power tripping

>have a focus
different atmospheres and focuses clash, there needs to be a singular and clear focus, incentivize what you want the group to be and make what you don't want to see unpreferable.

>activity levels
don't make too many channels, it disperses the conversation and makes the group appear dead, don't have too few otherwise you end up with 300+ messages every hour.
Also don't make the group too big or too small, a medium sized group is best for conversation. making a "#general 2.0" doesn't work, the first general will always be the only one that is ever used.

>>4018006
every time i join one of these groups it's just a bunch of cliquish autists that just post porn and memes all day and don't draw or give crits. unsurprisingly, the quality of the the work that does get posted is very low.
idk about irc but at least in the hangout groups everyone was drawing

>>4018205
sorry brah, not today

>>4018214
all good my dude

>>4018200
>>4018208
>>4018207
If we're talking about a group that's focussed on critique,

I think critique needs to be very strongly incentivized, required even.
I don't like the idea of "gamifying" groups, it comes off as very cringy and childish to me, but something like that would probably work. Award points to offering critique and to asking for critique. Offer some kind of reward for having points, make giving critique something people want to do

>>4018226
colored roles, people will kill for having meaningless colored nametags

I was in a discord once where you had to post daily and the SECOND you skipped posting a day you were kicked. This resulted in a very active and thriving environment with lots of good art and growth being made.

Compared to another one I was in which grew out of the LAS discord where there was a structured weekly study plan. Around 20 people joined, 5 people did the almost the first week of homework, 2nd week maybe 2 people completed on time, while a few straggles caught up a week or two later and by week 4 it was dead.

I think a server where you literally get kicked if you don't post would be the best solution to a lot of problems. Be it if you don't post once a week or daily/bi-daily I think this would help a ton.

>>4018226
How would points incentivize this? If I give critique and gain points from doing that, what would the points be for? I don't expect any type of currency be made from them neither should people get mod privileges or anything like that from them.

>>4018226
idk about gamifying but i feel like a group like this needs to have a unifying goal sort of like crimson daggers had with bloodsports. if a server isn't fundamentally project oriented then it'll just be overrun by histrionic shitters who have too much free time

>>4018239
I tried a similar concept before, participate or get kicked, it didn't work, I think you need to have alot of people to work, small groups die the moment you start kicking even if the rule is made clear and agreed upon
I think a server like that is also the best solution, instead of incentivising activity, you punish lack of activity. But it's a rough and exhausting method, it's not fun, it's just hard work, but I think it is the best current idea that will lead to results

>>4018240
no idea, I'm drawing a blank

>>4018234
Colored nametags create an unnecessary hierarchy because people will always jack off their e-peen. People would absolutely use that sort of thing to stroke their ego

>>4018245
a project sounds like an interesting idea, maybe the group isn't a permenant thing but some sort of seasonal thing, with a big result produced at the end of it
I think it would be hard to get people to work on an actual art project together, that's less about improvement and more about free work for some visionary. maybe something focussed on art improvement, like "5 weeks to git gud" you have to identify everyone and yourselves weakspots and aim to improve as much as possible before the end
any ideas?

>>4018251
How about things like towergirls, inktober, and secret santa? Monthly projects that the entire can do individual but collectively

>>4018254
entire server can do*

>>4018254
I was thinking of something like this where the subject is given at the beginning of the month and people post their contribution on the last. This way people have time from IRL and their own projects.

>>4018254
Those things are more focussed on making pretty art for normies to see instead of improving your own skills
I've tried weekly study tasks with tasks like those, they're not suited to improvement
Each individual artists have their own weakspots that take priority, it's no good drawing a "robot" theme if what you really need to be working on is your ability to draw faces properly, a better prompt for you would be "faces"
But that same prompt wouldn't be any good to another artist, so the prompts must be targetted to each individuals weakspots. it's a difficult task, and probably better to just have a different system that hits the mark directly like "study your weakspots"

>>4018254
oh also you have to think about time frames
Monthly is too long, everyone will procrastinate the entire month and fail, it has to be more short term than that
Even weekly is too long, and also, it's not enough art to make adequete improvement, you have to study atleast 3 days a week, atleast.

>>4018189
there is some truth in that, the problem are delusional nuartists who get assblasted when someone tries to categorize their drawings under a certain skill level, since they always tend to think that they "deserve" better/more praise/more recognition.

They are the main issue why a functional community like that can't exist, other than that the main things it needs are:
>genuinely skilled mods who are neutral and don't want to diverge into muh private community, unnecessary drama and harem incelism
>simple and interesting categories, no 50 channels for random unrelated shit since there are better places for that
>a schedule and place to work together collectively, small groups, maybe screenshare study sessions or working on themed projects
>some form of genuine promotion and exposure, nobody wants to spend their time in a hole with nothing to gain from it

>>4018268
That last point is an important point
The group needs to be relevant, it can't be some dark pit in the middle of nowhere

It needs to have big artists in it, that bring in people who want to see those artists, it needs to be the place to be

>>4018174
You have to mute majority of the channels as they're just there to not spam the general channel. The most active ones are comfy art gen ruffbois and my favorite: refs channel. Thunderdome is very active right now. I mostly just lurk because I'm not really a talkative person

>>4018006
I only use discord to organize my to do list and other personal shit

THINGS I WANT
>critique and lots of it
>lots of good artists that give good critique
>freedom of speech, not to be /pol/ but just to not fear being kicked for anything I say
>artists that are actually gonna make it and get a job

THINGS I DON'T WANT
>shitposting
>/beg/ shit and no good artists
>overzealous mods
>porn artists

>>4018276
You really don't need big named boys (in fact it might be better if they weren't in the server because it devolves into a circle jerk), you just need good artists who put time into the community. Though that in itself is hard because good artist usually don't want to babysit complete beginners all day.

>>4018289
good artists tend to hanf out with good artists bro, if you wanna join a cool kids club you gotta prove your worth first
Good luck, I believe in you!

>>4018290
It's difficult
Good artists are needed to give critique to beginner artists, /beg/s can't help other /beg/s
but at the same time, the good artists need a reason to stay in the group themselves and helping /beg/s all day isn't fun
paying them isn't really an option, at that point it's more of a school than a group

maybe having artists of all the same level, that's higher than /beg/ so they know to avoid bad habits.
Or perhaps have something else to offer to the better artists so they still benefit being in the group while also offering critiques to weaker artists.

>>4018298
The more I look at this, the more I think the ideal /ic/ art discord is impossible. There's so many traps to pass, it's starting to feel a bit ridiculous. There's so much that needs to be balanced

>>4018306
that's probably why despite having over 10 /ic/ discords, none of them are any good

>>4018289
>thing i dont want
Ahahaha you just described the LAS discord

>>4018289
Not to sling you out buddy but the problem with /ic/ Discords is that a lot of them are filled with people with a similar mindset to you, but they don't realize they're /beg/s and NGMIs. /beg/s and NGMIs can't identify themselves so they fill up servers and drive other artists away.

>>4018075
If you give me your Discord ID I can get you an invite. It's private

I fucking hate joining a discord group. Everyone already knows each other and I'm too shy to post hi. I get it they're friends and people want to talk about other stuff but every channel is blowing up with stupid shit. Hardly anyone posts art. And everyone feels underage so I get uncomfortable being in the same room.

>>4018006
https://discord.gg/y6M37YT

motivation, backpatting discord

>>4018006
>Join /ic/ discord
>literally filled with trannies just being trannies
>join another
>autistic anime circlejerk
>join another
>its just /pol/ shit and nobody draws
>join one last one
>its just a bunch of waifufags begging for drawings
yeah. not worth it.

>>4018006
>use discord art groups
ngmi
>b-but i want to make friends i want to talk to people, is better that way
no, if you want to talk people you want to get friends, then you don't want to draw, if you to get better, friends are not worth, and those groups always become a hugbox. And if you want real critique anyway, is the worst place for those reasons, here is much worth.
If you want more then join to /Las/ and stop being a lazy faggot.

>>4018983
>Thinking having artist friends is a bad thing

>>4018987
>thinking having friends gonna help improve your art
sad

>>4018987
>weebfaggot
Every time.

>join a +18 server
>filled with literal kids complaining about school and shit.
>post something and they get inmediately offended.

man, i just want a chill server

>>4018983
you do understand this is all a popularity contest right? that being some kind of jaded asshole scribbling the best drawings is only half of it, even to just get a job you still need to pass an interview. Stop being such a crab and relax.

>>4018996
My friends do help me improve my art. They give me valuable advice, encouragement to go on, and plenty of ideas for things to draw. Plus, there's nothing quite like the satisfaction and jolt of inspiration when you see your friends draw your characters for you way better than you ever could, and you feel so flattered and humbled at the same time you know that you gotta keep practicing to get up to their level.

I can make a discord if any of you faggots are interested. My rules are simple.
1. No being a tranny faggot
2. No /pol/ shit
3. If you want to win an argument post you're fucking work.

/ic/ discords always end up like
>join server on day 1
>everyone is too shy to post at first
>someone posts their work
>everyone starts posting work, makes friends, breaks the ice
>the clique is formed
>everything is fine for a month.exe
AND THEN
>a faggot joins the server
>stirs up shit
>the mod, who has been inactive after a week, decides to promote the female in the group
>problem is solved but new problem is created--a woman who now can powertrip
>group goes to shit

Stop. Fucking. Promoting. Women. As. Moderators.

>>4019014
Women are so much better than the virgin animefags though
>haha look I'm so funny abusing my power XD
>w-what do you mean you don't like my waifu, banned
>h-how dare you tell me my art sucks! its STYLE!!!

>>4019012
>No /pol/ shit
>Stop liking what I don't like!
Dead from the start

>>4019023
>I literally cannot keep /pol/ bullshit out of my speech for 30 minutes
that's why.

>>4019018

I've only seen 1 animefag moderator off this board and he wasn't that terrible despite his rogue intentions to split the community. It was for the better anyway.

Every single mod that came out of this board just so happened to be either a furry or someone who doesn't even draw in the first place. Women cannot do moderation period. As soon as they get a lick of power they will use it and destroy what is already crumbling.

>>4019028
Oh that doesn't count the animestudy thread. I think that discord is alright last I checked.

>>4019026
>TFW you just wanna chat about art but the moderator is going on a rant about racemixing
/pol/fags are a cancer

>>4019028
>>4019030
>hates women
>but that anime study discord is okay
lol. oh god.

>>4019026
So in other words, you don't tolerate the opinions of other people unless they conform to your echo chamber.

>>4019018
Women are arguably the worst moderators because 99% of the time they're SJWs/hypersensitive cunts who'll ban you over being 'rude'.
I'd take a /pol/fag mod over a female mod any day.

>>4019035

Don't tell me the mod of the anime study thread is a woman?

>>4019036
In other words, if you want to talk about politics take it out of my make believe art discord you dumb faggot.

>>4019038
The fact you think any part of that horrible discord is any semblance of okay just invalidates your opinion. The fact you have not only been there, but think its actually good just shows that you suck at drawing, and you just want some general tier circlejerk.

>>4019045

Aww who in the anigay discord said to work on your fundies? I'll punch him for you.

>>4019049
>Work on your fundies
lol, nobody in that discord works on their fundies. Its a bunch of garbage kids posting DA tier art. With a mod that just passive aggressively shit posts when he doesn't like you because he's too big of a pussy to actually moderate, so instead treats it like a high school locker room.

literally the most cringe community on /ic/.

>>4019054

Has it come to your attention yet that if the mod is like that why don't you put him in his place by posting your work? We artists here should fight with our work, not shitposts. Once you post work the discord kiddos will begin to listen to you more and treat you with more respect than the house maid.

And with that you can be an asshole to your hearts content. Nobody can refute you because you're better than them.

https://discord.gg/P3KwTkZ

Here you faggots go, a discord.
I only have 3 rules.
1. No being a tranny
2. No /pol/
3. Actually fucking draw

I expect at least weekly drawings. I'll set up some drawpiles on the weekends. If people actually join I'll put some effort into make it not shit.

I just want a carefree place to draw with other faggots. /i/ is dead, and drawthreads are annoying.

>>4019063
the entire discord is filled with /a/utists. who'd rather circlejerk than draw. so no.

>>4019071
These rules except for the actually draw are too ambiguous and can mean literally anything from posting a reaction image you don't like which results in a ban or voicing your thoughts on a matter that doesn't correspond to the average NPC. Why don't you just have the one rule where you actually draw instead of being anal about matters you have no control over?

I want to start a server with comic artists who want to get work done on their projects, preferably fantasy/sci-fi just to have a common point of reference. A little bit like a workshop. All skill levels, just posting comics and writing and helping each other with ideas as long as people are open to feedback instead of being stubborn.
I want to keep it small, like a dozen people at most because large servers go off track.
I don't know how to get a select few people in without flooding the gates with public invites, and I don't want to kick people off arbitrarily or enforce some policy.

>>4019088
Not everything always results in an instant ban dumbass.
If you're clearly drifting into /pol/ territory repeatedly then you need to fuck off.

>>4019054
Yeah it's honestly really bad. I never can quite pinpoint exactly why, but the members' personalities just makes me cringe on a visceral level. It's like somebody decided to put together all but the most socially awkward and reclusive high school teenagers into one place.

Sad really, since I had some hopes when the server was young. But then again after a couple of weeks in, it gets pretty obvious where the direction of the server is going and I instantly ditched it.

>>4019089
There's a /co/ server for artists that are working on their comics, if you post your art in one of the How's Your Webcomic? threads and it's high enough quality you get an invite. At least that's how it was 6 months ago. It sounds cliquey so I try to stay away.

>>4019092
Good luck on your thought policing comrade, remember to send non conformists to another channel to reeducate them.

>>4019106
>the simple thought of not being able to scream nigger every 5 seconds sends you on an autistic rage
precisely the people i want to avoid. thanks for proving my point.

>>4019099
I've been on that server and it was just too large. It's not a bad server by any means and everyone is really nice, but I wanted something more focused where people actually do a workshop with their comics instead of posting in a sea of WIPs. That's why I said I'd keep it small, only one channel, no separate channel where you post art and then go back to chat. A small place where you just post to get feedback on your comic. Personally I'd love some place where people proofread each other's scripts. I used to be in a writing community like that and then Europe got blacklisted because of Internet policy changes.

>>4019109
For things like that you need to personally know those people and bring them in yourself.
Make friends with people on that /co/ server for example, and just make a separate discord for them.

>>4018340
can you pm me the invite?

>>4018177
>I can say only that there's quite little enjoyment in the process of drawing. Especially if you're trying to study or work on something outside of your comfort zone.

you have lost the soul so long ago you don't even remember how drawing should feel like

>>4019108
>Spamming means you're literally worse than Hitler
Thank you for showing how you already have a bias and a tendency to police for words, don't forget to have a social credit system with different ranks and reward others with some brownie points.

>>4019122
I don't know if you genuinely think you're making anyone angry by being retarded, or if you're just retarded.
Like its not even funny at this point, its just sad.

>>4019114
I need your discord ID first, friend

>>4019123
Not an argument.

>>4019111
>Make friends with people on that /co/ server for example
You are right but this is too time intensive so I guess it will never happen.

>>4019125
ricchan#5779

>>4019122
No one said that you rabid autist. Things aren't black and white.

>>4018147
They don't like discord because it has women and faggots in it and it guarantees constant catfights.

>>4018147
Skype and IRCs were typically smaller and rarer.
Discords are free and easy to set up so they've been spammed everywhere. Which results in lower quality servers.

>>4018147
The difference is that 4chan didn't start off with this many boards, but every fledgling art discord admin thinks they know better and that because its so easy to make channels and categories they should make dozens of each when they have literally <50 members where at most 10 are online a a time.

>>4018006
>tfw ghost them all every single time because feel inferior
Just can't escape that /ic/ guys. What do?

>>4019038
>>4019035
Aqua is a girl???

>>4018147
Discord is a scapegoat that shitposters can use to deflect blame for shitting up 4chan. See gaia, facebook, tumblr, twitter, reddit, etc.

as /beg/ trash I find the /las/ discord teh best, houses are a godsend. only thing that facilitates drawing, similar to dad.

I do wish more people were involved and that it was a more dedicated thing, there was a server at some point where everyone did book/tutorial studies together and tryharded a lot, but it died after like 3 weeks.

Fuck las

>>4018190
Why do people not know how to use basic user features? Mute the channel then

>>4019643
I do the same. I'm sure it comes across like I'm snobbing everyone.

>>4020098
Please come back, we miss you

Honestly, using discord art servers and art communities in general is often misused and harmful to your productivity.
When you're spending time chatting or discussing art you're not making art, it's just another way to procrastinate while fooling yourself that you're doing something.
The only place IRL you can talk about art is in art gallerys, and just like discord servers or even ic, only like 10% of the people visiting those are actual artists, and they're busy making the paintings that go on the walls.
The best way to use a discord server or ic thread is to step in, post your work, step out, come back later to look at critiques if there's any.

>>4019645
been weeks since aqua got the boot out the server and the faggots still complaining probably got banned beforehand and are whining they can't engage in anime hugbox: discord edition anymore.

>>4020497
aqua is the best kind of hoes

>>4018006
so anyone got a decent discord ?

>>4019122
holy autism lol

>>4020490
We should definitely make a no-nonsense discord group
post crits, get crits, that's all you do

but how to make it not die within a week?

>>4020490
>>4020554
No-nonsense no-fun groups die extremely quickly because you get burnt out and don't care about it when all you're doing is work.
The point of communities is to keep yourself motivated. It doesn't need to go full autism with 9000 tabs of random shit. But keeping things upbeat and allowing people to care about the other people in the community means you're more willing to be happy when you're drawing with them. That keeps you motivated and keeps you drawing.

There's a pretty big line between just being a community of artists, and being a general chat room. The best way imo to handle it is just have 1 or 2 off topic channels and everything else is devoted to art. It gives people an outlet to talk to each other without actively encouraging it.

>>4020554
>No chats in any way. No art-related chats, no shitposting channels. At the very most a voice chat since it's hands-free.
>Regular drawpile sessions with a set schedule.
>Channels like #work-in-progress for sketches, channels like #artwork for finished work, critique allowed and encouraged in all of them.
>activate slowmode on every channel, restricted to 1 message every 1 minute. IT will discourage conversations and encourage long critiques. Any chatting is met with a warning that it's strictly an art server. Might be too cold but who cares. There's 20 other discords they can chat in.

If for any reason the server desperately NEEDS a chat, turn it into an incentive to post art. Give users a role based on the amount of good quality art, and the more they "level up", the more perks like access to post in the server's general-chat and voice chat. /begs/ won't have a say until they pyw
The dowside of that is "good quality" will become dangerously subjective and an excuse to cast users out.

>>4020583
good luck with that

>>4018174
LAS is easily the worst discord on ic.
Full toxic normies that are super cliquey.

>>4020695
>>4018174
I'm new to /las/ and honestly it's been really pleasant. I only really post to give/get crit and share my art but the advice I get there is miles ahead that I get anywhere else on /ic/ or in any other Discord I've been in.
Do you just hate seeing people have fun? You can just ignore all the non-art channels if they bother you that much.

>>4020564
>No-nonsense no-fun groups die extremely quickly because you get burnt out and don't care about it when all you're doing is work.
That's the opposite for me, I would love a group like that and it's the only good way to have an art group IMO. Otherwise you have a general where people chitchat and a few art channels on the side where people post art and a passerby or two say good job.
I was thinking about it and I got to this idea: everyone has a comic or a project of some sort. Every user gets his own channel. You post your art in your channel and other users give you feedback. Maybe you can ask to be partners with just a person of similar skill and you are given access to each other's channel, so you have some sort of art buddy system. Since you can set role privileges by channel you can have instanced rooms where people give each other feedback.
Do you guys think this is interesting?

>>4020707
That sounds like a terrible idea because most people will ignore everyone's room except their own, unless they REALLY like each other's art that much.

>>4020706
>stop hating FUN
Yeah, dumbass college freshman and middleclass HS kids arguing over how Trump is literally Hitler and making cum tributes to pictures of the female members sounds like the kind of discord for art improvement.

>>4020710
I knew las was going to be cancer as soon as it sprouted up way back when but I didn't think it was going to get THAT bad

>>4020710
>artists are only ever allowed to talk about art or they're ngmi!
spotted the ngmi.

>>4020708
>That sounds like a terrible idea because most people will ignore everyone's room except their own
Why do you think so? Maybe one anon likes shonen manga and he sees another anon making a shonen manga, he'll want to comment on it. This system would bring people with similar tastes together without creating a dispersive environment where tons of people dump art in the same channel, that's a terrible format for critique. I believe that if the whole sever is focused and you don't make random channels, people will stick to that mindset.
Discord in theory is perfect for this. You have roles, bots, lots of customization, even voice channels, and people can join multiple servers so if you want to chat you can go to a broader server.

>>4020710
>dumbass college freshman and middleclass HS kids arguing over how Trump is literally Hitler and making cum tributes to pictures of the female members
what kind of servers did you even go to wtf ?

>>4020715
Talking about trump and exploding like a total autist on someone who doesn't share your opinion of him arent the same thing you social retard /pol/ard

>>4020710
Is that really how /las/ is like? Wtf

>>4020717
You're gonna get dunning krugers whining about their channel having no one talking on them, and others will complain users are constantly using their channel to chat on instead of giving critiques.
Not to mention there's bound to be users that post once and then turn into lurkers, and users that will take that chance to fill others' channels with shitposting on purpose.

>>4020733
>You're gonna get dunning krugers whining about their channel having no one talking on them
If that happens, they will leave in the end. If you get a channel set up in a server specifically for feedback and you don't want to take feedback, the channel will stop being used. The other people commenting on your channel will get tired of you. Either way it's instanced so there's no harm done to other channels.
>others will complain users are constantly using their channel to chat on instead of giving critiques.
You have moderation for that. Also, since it's instanced, those two people could be perfectly happy chatting about anime. Maybe they get inspired that way, who knows.
>Not to mention there's bound to be users that post once and then turn into lurkers
The channel will expire and they will leave. Again, no harm done to the good channels.
>and users that will take that chance to fill others' channels with shitposting on purpose.
I think this would only happen if you leave public invites on 4chan willy-nilly and you get more users than you can handle. If you keep the user count low you can just kick these bad apples, and in any case why would anybody shitpost in a workshop server?

If I can plan a system that works I'll open the server. Worst comes to worst I'll declare it a failure and shut it down.

Anime study discord isnt actually that bad these days.
Alot of the bad apples and more problematic posters have been banned.

LAS is trash

>>4020793
>problematic posters
I bet those just said "nigga"

>>4018059
AHAHHAHA FUCKING NICK AHAHAHAHH>>4018149

>>4018174
i mute & hide channels i know ill never visit upon joining any server

/las/ is the only art server from ic i've been a part of where people actually post new work on the daily and give/receive crit that isn't just thinly veiled crabbing

>>4018174
you know you can mute channels or whole sections right

>>4018006
if you're interested in joining the /LAS/ Discord to judge it for yourself, DM me: town#7920
the /las/ thread: >>4013033

a quick channel rundown. you can mute & hide everything else.

#comfy-chat: the general channel
#ruffbois: shitpost containment and the least moderated channel on the server

#hangie-gangie: for google hangouts where everyone mutes their mics and screenshares their current work. google ahngout's native chat constantly breaks so they just use this channel to talk when in the "hangie"

#art-crit: post works you want serious crit and advice on
#sketchdump: post any work, not just limited to sketches
#nsfw-sketchdump: porn containment channel

#las-houses: a monthly competition. sometimes there are rewards. sometimes not. more info on houses here: https://pastebin.com/thpqw3uW
#thunderdome: tired of anon constantly talking shit? dome. keep getting asked to pyw? dome. got told you're forever ngmi? DOME.

Fuck you nosebro. NGMI

>>4020854

They just had too much autism to handle.

>>4020718
Las discord had members literally cum on the pixture of a girl member and showed it to her.
She got triggered and left.

>>4021105
Lol

>>4021105
>She got triggered and left.
triggered implies it's an overreaction, I would leave a server like that
the question is why would you ever hand your photos or the means to get them to 4chan

>>4018006
https://discord.gg/RP5H3p

>>4018006
anyone got an invite for the new ARTTRA server ?

>>4018069
>use telegram instead
implying telegram isn't flooded with porn
discord at least lets you have dedicated channels

>>4021105
That’s peak incel behaviour. What a pack of retards.

you guys have the link to the gmi server?

>>4021939
>>4021941
DO NOT
LINK IT
>t. insider

>>4021946
disabling all invites as we speak. GMI is safe

>>4021876
ngmis like you will never get invited

>>4021955
The link is safe. Special entry only.

>>4021964
>>4021963
>>4021960
>>4021959
>>4021955
>>4021946
>>4021941

stop shitting up the thread you NGMI fags, you're all a bunch of trannies.

>>4021967
shut up crab. youre just seething becuase youre not making it with us.

>>4021967
lmao
>not being gmi server
>calling others ngmi

>>4018006

>>4021967
Shut up, jealous onions cunt.

>>4021972
>>4021971
all you people do is jerk off and dilate. no thanks.

>>4021967
thats a lot of coping anon

>>4021925
Only if you follow porn channels. Moron,

>>4018072
Telegram has desktop ver available

>>4022034
It needs a phone number to work

>>4022039
What, youre telling me you dont have fucking a phones.
Just generate one from a website you autist.

>>4022049
I have. I'm just telling you how it works.

>>4021842
there were no photos. anon printed out pictures of messages posted by her. just text

>>4020710
Remind me of a time a boy taking one of my drawings out of my sketchbook and shoving it down his pants and rubbing it.
I still don't understand if it's meant to be insulting or a twisted attempt of flattery.
It's deranged to be that desperate, I don't understand it.
Why do men do it? Why?!

>>4022050
Ah so you were only pretending to be retarded.

>>4022546
What an absolute dumbfuck you are

>>4021105
kek wtf, I'm still just a fellow newfrog so I don't recall anything like that happening in recent times

>>4022585
>has still going
Oh so it wasn't a joke.
Yikes...

>>4018289
Similar here, in fact I even created a test server for mapping out the "ideal model" in my mind, but haven't invited anyone because I don't think it's wise to just post invites on random threads.

Opinions?
The only thing I'm unsure about now are sketches - should they have a channel or go in art-talk as they are unimportant?

>>4023046
>no porn/fetish art
>No filter, all is NSFW

>>4023053
Elaborate on what you find to be the conflict, my lil' Shrine Maiden.

>>4023072
It's all these rules you fags put up, they're ambiguous as if to leave it up to your discretion whether or not you'll be allowed to participate or not.

>>4023075
Long way to say "no".

>>4018051
bro please post all of them.

>>4023046
With the anonymous rule you are excluding most aspiring professionals that use a real name instead of a handle. What you should do is disassociate from 4chan because this site is trash and it's full of autists. Especially in the drawing context you'll get tons of hopeless retarded weeaboos.

>>4023053
>>4023075
It doesn't make sense to you because you're a braindead pornfag lolicon.

>>4023145
But where's the fun in that?

>>4023231
Why don't you disassociate from 4chan? You have to go back.

>>4018298
Could be something to this. As a more intermediate artist, I wouldnt mind working with /begs/ if it produced results or was fun. What about something like a discord focused on collaboration, with a mirror /ic/ board to show results. The collaborations could vary.

>>4021105
bruh that wasnt a discordfag, that was some threadfag that just joined and immediately left after he posted pics of himself jacking onto a printed screenshot of the chat.

>>4021964
>>4021955
I WANNA MAKE IT! LET ME IN!

Any small discord servers with porn artists

>>4023921
also are there any furry porn artist servers?

>>4021105
Is it bad that I think that sounds kind of hot

>>4023801
"..."

>>4023801
stay ngmi anon

>>4024033
mind posting your gmi work?

>>4024048
nice try but im not going to risk someone knowing that i visit this hell hole

>>4024052
several successful artists have linked their stuff (simon, bbc, kyle, etc) here and none of them have gotten shit for it
so I'll just go ahead and assume you're not very good

>>4024033
pfff, who gives a fuck

>>4024033
i thought i was the only one that uses ic

>>4020695
this. theres some cool people but you will just have people come in and tell you to stop drawing. unfortunately i could not call them a nigger because it would then be connected to my art name, but fuck those retards.

also the amount of women makes it stink

>>4024057
>successful artists
>didnt even manage to break it into the industry
yeah im not going to ruin my chances

>>4024069
HAHA
okay lemme know when you "break it into the industry"

>>4024028
LET ME IN!

>>4024251
Don't let him in

>>4024065
>joining a 4chan discord with your actual screenname
>having a discord account at all when the chinese are harvesting the data
you know, anon, no one with a sub 80 IQ should even be dreaming of making it. give up now

>>4021020
cant even (you) properly

>>4023958
it is just an online version of the park flasher so yeah its deranged

>>4023958
Are you a woman?

>>4018006
>discord
What's it like being a massive homo?

>>4024301
Not him but why should I hide my screen name? You're overeating about losing data, or maybe just a spineless anon.

>>4025052
Idk ask your dad

>>4024301
Not to defend discord but "they're harvesting my data!!!!" is retarded. Everything harvests your data at this point and unless you use the same safeguards as a weapon trafficker on the dark web you will get tracked and scanned and archived. Implying that unchecking a little consent box prevents these companies from tracking you, they're still storing your data and probably selling it legally through loopholes.
The only way to prevent this shit is to stop using technology. Even phone calls can be tracked.