/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4017612
>did in fact draw as a child
>still ngmi

>>4017612
>Gives up now just because he sees other people with more experience than him
>ngmi

>>4017612
>didn’t draw when i was a child
>I’m in my way of making it

>>4017612
Same. Most people can learn value and color later in life but not drawing. If you haven't done masses of drawing as a kid by your own interest all you'll be able to do is copy life or photos. After 5 years of practice I still can't represent what I see in my head properly on paper but can copy reference decently given enough time. All those hours studying anatomy were pretty much a waste

Why are you being so fucking negative? Kek

>>4017628
What this dude said >>4017624

>brother and I start drawing when we were kids
>he made it and I didnt

>>4017624
most people who talk like this are too scared to draw anything that looks shitty so they never attempt anything imaginative and stay the same skill level.
It takes a lot of work to properly draw what's in your head. WORK, not knowledge. Nothing looks right and you have to fix and fix and fix and fix and cleanup until it's close, then decide if you want to spend the next couple weeks doing all the fixing, re-drafting, tweaking, polishing, etc. needed to get it looking "exactly" as you envision.. which will never happen because you'll constantly change ideas according to reference and happy accidents and other stupid enigmatic bullshit.

Unless they are the type to spend a fuckton of hours on a single work, most people settle for "good enough".

>>4017624
You didn’t learn well enough. Try some watts stuff

>>4017671
This. There are plenty of artists who started as adults. All drawing as a kid teaches you is how to not be afraid of making art. I've been drawing all my life but my art was still /beg/ tier when I was 17 because I hadn't bothered to learn any of the fundies.
I think what people get trapped in is thinking they need to keep studying until they're perfect, even though they'll always have room to improve. You gotta just nut up and draw, and see where it takes you sometimes. People get intimidated by seeing other artists who are far ahead of them, and they aren't used to just haphazardly shitting out art like little kids do, so they're often too afraid to make that leap.

>>4017612
>Start drawing at 12-13
>Draw semi frequently from 12 to 14
>Draw almost every single day 14, 15 years old
>Do acid
>Acid tells me to give up, unleashes schizoaffective
>Stop drawing for 2 years, every attempt to draw because of pills is a shaky shitty mess
>Literally draw like a 10 year old with Parkinson's
>Don't pick up a pencil for an entire year
>Through time get pills switched around, lots of different stuff
>4 months ago end up in the mental ward again
>nothing to do, grab some paper
>There for 8 days, by the 4th day, I am at the level I was at 14
>Get out, draw a bit more
>In ward again 2 months ago
>Get glorious drug known as Seroquel
>Draw all day every day I am in there, 6 days
>Get out and end up drawing every day for 2 weeks
>Been drawing semi frequently ever since, back to the level I was around the time I did acid and gave up

>never practice
>somehow make slight improvement anyway
>still don't practice
>not going to make it

>>4017704
do more acid to counteract the effects

>>4017704
>be 15
>hey want to do acid
>no regrets
heh. middleschool. good old times

>>4017760
lots of regrets, the one and only thing I would go back in time to stop myself from doing is acid

>>4017612

>>4017704
Damn I'm glad my young tripping days were nothing but fun

>>4017829
and the worst part is that I could've seen this happening from a mile away since schizo and other mental illnesses run in my family in nearly all of my family members, sure this would've happened eventually but I could've at least enjoyed my childhood without having to run to the mental ward every few months

>>4017624
>>4017681

>tfw 21
>got a stem degree
>have to start working a real job
>completely miserable
>all my life I wanted to be an animator or story boarder
>never thought i could do it, its a dumb idea blah blah blah
>incredibly pessimistic about my future, feel very unfulfilled and unsatisfied
>horrible at drawing, tried to do loomis, did a bunch of bargue plates in college
>none of that stuck
>try to draw the desk in front of me i see every day from reference
>cant fucking wrap my mind around it or its lines despite just being a rectangle with perspective
>none of it looks good after tons of attempts or even vaguely close
>it gets worse with every attempt
>watch a girl i know who's never drawn before pick up a Pen and draw things from her head that look really cool
>she says she sees me practicing all the time and asks if i want to draw
>i ask for a pencil i cant do pen
>she laughs and insists on the pen
>struggle with trying to draw a cabinet that was in front of me
>get my own pencil out
>she makes a comment i cant hear anymore
>cant even draw something from reference with an eraser
>she can draw from her head in pen without any practice

At that point I stopped drawing.
The only pangs I feel through the cloud of anhedonia induced depression is the sheer jealousy whenever i see good artwork or animation or sculpture

>tfw im the guy who goes to art museums and looks at beautiful paintings and sighs in sadness and awe

>>4017624
>>4017681

>tfw 21
>got a stem degree
>have to start working a real job
>completely miserable
>all my life I wanted to be an animator or story boarder
>never thought i could do it, its a dumb idea blah blah blah
>incredibly pessimistic about my future, feel very unfulfilled and unsatisfied
>horrible at drawing, tried to do loomis, did a bunch of bargue plates in college
>none of that stuck
>try to draw the desk in front of me i see every day from reference
>cant fucking wrap my mind around it or its lines despite just being a rectangle with perspective
>none of it looks good after tons of attempts or even vaguely close
>it gets worse with every attempt
>watch a girl i know who's never drawn before pick up a Pen and draw things from her head that look really cool
>she says she sees me practicing all the time and asks if i want to draw
>i ask for a pencil i cant do pen
>she laughs and insists on the pen
>struggle with trying to draw a cabinet that was in front of me
>get my own pencil out
>she makes a comment i cant hear anymore
>cant even draw something from reference with an eraser
>she can draw from her head in pen without any practice
>the thing I finally produced was a very sloppy loomis fun with a pencil face that i had copied many times

At that point I stopped drawing. I am an NPC. I am not an artist. I never had the spark to be. I have no creativity. I have no brain. I am dust.
The only pangs I feel through the cloud of anhedonia induced depression is the sheer jealousy whenever i see good artwork or animation or sculpture

>tfw im the guy who goes to art museums and looks at beautiful paintings and sighs in sadness and awe

>>4017847
Damn. Only 21 and already accepted defeat. Dont give up anon, i just started like 3 weeks ago. At the beginning I couldn't even draw jack shit. But after watch through courses and books about figure/gesture drawing and practice every night. I can finally make some decent progress (pic rel). Its still full of errors but it make me proud.

>>4017847
This is a sad motherfucking story

>>4017847
thats a really petty reason to give up on a dream
and what's with that npc bullshit

i'm 25 and i'm the at the best i've ever been. you only lose when you give up, pussy

>>4017916
pyw fag

>>4017847
Should've made her your GF dummy

>>4017847
Drawing equivalent of ego lifting and giving up when you can't do 100kg on your first lift and making up shit about the people lifting 100kgs as if it was their first day at gym.
At that point you deserve depression, stop being a self-victimizing fuck you absolute dumbass.

>>4017847
my friend you need a change of mind, you have accepted that you are at the bottom, if you do not climb now you will rot forever wishing you had tried again and again

>>4017671
This. You'll find you make the most creative stuff when you're not stressed out about trying to be perfect. When you're in the zone having fun.

>>4017847
>I stopped drawing
Your loss.
Now you'll never know what could have been.

>>4017612
watch little witch academia... it's an allegory for failing artists and it's proven because of the "nine old men"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney%27s_Nine_Old_Men

>>4018319
This. The whole message is "even if you suck/are significantly behind other artists you can still make it if you're willing to put in a fuckton of work and effort"

Didn't Yoshinari even make it to tell people getting into animation under him to not be slackers?

>>4017847
I know exactly how you feel.
I tried learning Visual Basic but got discouraged when my Excel game didn't play like World of Warcraft by the end of the first week and then someone who worked there made a github example of some highly optimized C++ HFT quant-tier code. :^)

That's what you sound like.
If you haven't put in at least 10,000 hours of active studying, worked through (not passively watched) coures and done every kind of technique study imaginable on your desk then don't whine about giving up.
You haven't put in the work.

Chances are the bitch isn't a beginner either considering she wanted to show off you gullible idiot.

>>4018338
>Didn't Yoshinari even make it to tell people getting into animation under him to not be slackers?
idk but that would be cool if it's true

>>4018338
>Didn't Yoshinari even make it to tell people getting into animation under him to not be slackers?
idk but that would be cool if it's true.

>>4017847
Craig mullins started drawing at i think 21.
Just work your wage slave dogshit, live like you're homeless, save up for education and get gud you beta cucklord
you can do it!

>>4017612
i dont know how to help you unless you post your work

>>4018377
I thought he started really grinding and practicing at 23, but he'd been drawing and taking classes before then (though his teachers said he was awful).

>>4017612
I don't think I'm NGMI because I'm making decent progress even though I'm past 20
But if I ever have kid you can bet I'll push these fuckers to draw or write or get good at whatever creative hobby they're into from an early age

>>4018386
Yeah im probably off, I think I remember he got into art center at around 23 or 24 but I reckon he had been drawing for a year or two before that

>>4018378

>>4018279
>>4018312
>>4018363
>>4018377
>>4017915

how can I try then? what can I even do? i dont learn anything from videos. at this point i genuinely think i have a disability or something and am unable to draw.
>tfw listening to a podcast with artists and they make fun/infantalize people who try to draw but dont know how

>>4018387
>tfw american
>show slight interest in artistic things
>NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT

>>4018319
>>4018338

>all the disney nine started from before they were adults
>came from nice families ranging from middle class to real upper class
>dont give up anon!

Time ta kill me self

>>4018603
If you can't learn anything from someone telling you exactly what you need to do then you're probably just an idiot. Seriously just use your fucking brain

>>4018614
just watch the show you fegget

>>4018603
Don't just mindlessly watch. It's not some shitty reality show. Actually pay attention and follow what the instructor is doing. After that you just need to apply the lesson to studies and personal work.

>>4018338
>Didn't Yoshinari even make it to tell people getting into animation under him to not be slackers?
Well the original OVA was meant as a training project for new animators, so it's possible

>>4018616
>>4018636
I cant do video straight up

>>4018754
just give up and flip some burgers

>>4018764
Why is life like this? Ahy do i suck at everything? Im so confused.
What would even be the point of me learninf to draw when i lack all crearivity anyway

>>4018769
because you wanted to be a loser.

>>4018772
I really dont

>>4017612
>Admits that has never really liked making art
>sad because can't be something you're not

>>4017847
Remember to enjoy the journey on itself, anon, don't overly obsess over the final destination.

>>4018603
if they make fun of people trying to learn they're assholes and you shouldn't support their podcast tbqh

>>4018606
>incapable of reading

>>4019244
What

>>4017847
i started at 25 and im making so much progress in the last 2 months from watts

>>4019350
Is watts a video guy...

>>4018774
Then STOP COMPLAINING LIKE A LOSER AND WORK ON YOUR DREAM (so it won't stay a dream)!!!
If you want to be good, you'll find a way, otherwise you'll find an excuse!
I'm sick of reading all your pathetic sob stories, all of you! Zip your pants, quit private mode, take a pencil + A4 paper or your tablet, and GO FOR IT LIKE MEN

>>4019350
you never heard about watts atelier ?

>>4017612
This is true, even at elementary school I was roughly better than some people at the /beg/ threads and by middle school I was definitely better than adults who have been studying but always did stickmen as kids.
Apparently getting comfortable with your imagination and pen is a skill of its own.
Mind you, I've been /beg/ for 11 months already, so drawing as a kid didn't make me a prodigy or anything. But I thank god I always doodled when I see grown men having trouble with the very concept of a human figure.

>>4019441
pyw

>>4019453
That's my work when I was 11. I was just confirming that people who have been drawing since childhood can be better than those begin studying too late, for a while anyway. Just go check the /beg/ thread and compare what I posted to what they do.

I'm not much better right now though.

>>4019459
Uh... that doesn't look like "better than adults who have been studying" to me. That looks like, basically week one stuff. People surpass that level quickly.
If anything your post is just more evidence to me that drawing as a kid doesn't actually matter that much, except for the fact that it gives you more confidence and helps you develop positive associations with drawing, which are admittedly very important things.

>>4019463
Alright I agree, and I don't know how long people have been drawing there anyway and we're anonyomus so I can't track their progress.
But the confidence and not going crazy after you fail a few times is important.

>>4017847
>>4018603
>stem degree
https://youtu.be/dnflBERf2zM?t=530

Congratulations! You're not brain dead, you just have shit taste. More specifically your coworker has been appreciating art for longer.
>watch a girl i know who's never drawn before pick up a Pen and draw things from her head that look really cool
>i dont learn anything from videos
I'm also wondering if its a confidence thing. I cannot draw for shit, don't like computer problems either, any problem I run into with it feels like something *I should already be past*. I do like carving, however, apart from being harder to say what a bad carving looks like learning all the nestled questions about how grain and solvents and wood species interact feels like philosophy questions. The outlook isn't that I started dumb, it's that I'm getting smarter. One I can't have for art.


Or maybe you're depressed. I really want to get good at scrollwork but cannot muster up the enthusiasm to not make it look like schizophrenic scrawlings. You can do most of the work in carving on autopilot.

>>4019472
>>i dont learn anything from videos
>I'm also wondering if its a confidence thing.
Specifically I'm wondering if you're hoping the videos will have a exact mathematical answer to your question rather than most of the answer and leaving you to intuit from there

>>4019478
I just lose my patjence with videos. I need a book

>>4017612
Speak for yourself OP

>>4019480
Imagine if loomis had a book or 2, you would be golden

>>4019488
yeah what book would you reccomend mate

>>4019480
I would hope you watched my video first. The timestamp was deliberate

>>4019558
i took away from that video is that even if i started to draw now i will always have a massive disadvantage...

>>4019739
Good to hear. Goodbye.

>>4017847
The girl obviously drew before. Kind of pathetic story. You're 21. I'm 25 and would kill for those 4 years of focus in a direction of a goal.

>>4019802
What am i missing? Im kinda dumb. Please i want help.
>tried to draw tonight after all the responses
>got so depressed and frustrated my hands statted shaking
>couldnt physically draw anymore
>lie on floor staring at ceiling while taking huge breaths.

Im trying. I really am

>>4017847
I think your taking drawing a bit too seriously. you should try to enjoy the process of drawing a bit more rather than just worrying about the final product it's self. You don't need to be an amazing artist. Just take your time with it. You'll get there. Try evaluating what you did wrong with every drawing you make rather than just blindly drawing the desk in front you. Draw something that isn't the desk. Take small breaks. Just have more fun with drawing it's self and youll do alot better.

>>4019815
Sticky and stop obsessing over irrelevant shit that has nothing to do with your drawing skills.
Vilppu, Bridgman, Peter Han, Hamm, Hampton, Loomis, Hogarth. Find which one works for you.

>>4018603
Can I have a link to this podcast please?

>>4019815
I don't know.

Like I said, I can carve but I can't draw. It does sound a LOT like that confidence possibility I brought up, though
>I cannot draw for shit,
>any problem I run into with it feels like something *I should already be past*
I can't get good at art because it's painful to admit I am bad- currently. It is humiliating to be able to visualize all this cool stuff except for the one moment when it counts.
... But what I was hoping you'd take away from the video isn't that the woman is a genius, she just (functionally) has a few years on you.
From where I'm standing it just looks like your problem is that you have that pride issue I've got, and your visual library is bad. Both can be worked on. You already know what a visual library is.

>>4017612
Children are fucking stupid and so was I as a kid because I didn't actually study. As an adult you can approach learning with a much greater sense of direction because you can properly analyze your drawing and tell why it's bad, and if that fails you can ask for criticism and actually take it. This way you know what you need to learn first and can work through books that help you the most first.

>>4017612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASiVYLdeAaA

>>4019992
This. Listen and learn about effective learning practices and understanding how the brain works. Peak by Andersson and talent code by Malcom Gladwell are good. A
Pply that to your art study and youbwill make gains

>>4017612

The reality of it is that the boost in chances of succeeding if you started earlier comes from the fact that it shows you genuinely like art and that does more for you than having a few extra years of experience from doodling shitty OCs in your notebook.

>>4020077
Don't peddle pseudo science bullshit

>>4019907
How do you carve?

>>4017847
anon, I feel hopeless too, check out my post here

>>4021565
I think we both need to find drawing fun, find art fun, at the moment. I used to feel stuck, then I had a breakthrough for a while but it was short lived... I remember that I was really enjoying myself when I had a productive period... It's honestly the most torturous thing ever when you punish yourself so hard for attempting something you love... It's heardbreaking, I'm legit tearing up for both of us right now....

But we have to find a way to enjoy it! And we can! I'm sure we can. It's possible.

It doesn't matter where you're starting from. People at all levels of ability feel this way - it's true! Some people with no fucking talent think they're top shit. I know you can laugh at them, anon. They're the worst.

If you care about this, if you want to do it, you have to take the pressure off! If you're miserable, the thing you love can't ALSO make you miserable!!! That's a fucking tragedy!!!

Maybe we both need some direction. I feel stuck by myself at the moment, but we both tear ourselves apart too easily - we're not in danger of SHAD-ISM - we're the opposite. Too critical. Let's try and find a way to have fun, yeah?

I'm going to try a drawing class IRL. I have done them before and I go to lifedrawing but I truly think being in class with a good proper teacher in person will help - the most important thing is it will feel good to be around others, not that it will teach me the most!!!
Don't worry anon. If you worry you will hold yourself back. I love you. Ok?

>>4021432
>How do you carve?
Not as well as I'm implying. I only have 5 incomplete projects and I ruined my first knife trying to sharpen it.

Minimum equipment so far looks like a sharp knife (Try Mora 120. 20 dollars. Ridiculously good.), a pair of cutproof gloves (5 bucks on Amazon), a saw (15 dollars?) and some wood. You can use deadwood you find around but it's genuinely worth your time to just buy some. Deadwood gets very hard after it dries (you can make it soft again by putting some rubbing alcohol on it, check the dollar store) but more important than that IT FUCKING CRUMBLES. Basswood is the species most projects are done in, it's very soft and holds detail well, but I'm having some success with some birch logs laying around, a piece of hard maple, and a plank.

My process is holding the knife in my right hand, wearing a cutproof glove on my left and using my left thumb on the blade to do most of the pushing. The glove is necessary because most ways I hold the project has the knife threatening to poke me in the palm, which is bad- the knife is absolutely sharp enough to cut nerves and tendons. When it was new I kept getting shallow cuts from slightly underestimating how long the blade is.

I think the reason I can wrap my head around carving but not drawing is that it's a reductive process. You picture the horse head/bokken/Cthulhu inside the wood and then you take bits away until they're out. Any roughness or obvious knife marks don't matter- they'll disappear once you sandpaper it. Varnish makes anything beautiful. The hardest part I find is coming up with things to make that could fit in the logs I have, so I just write ideas down as I come up with them. Making sculptures is called 'carving in the round', I'd probably have just as much difficulty as with drawing if I tried carving a mural.

... Oh and if anyone picks this up you should know that rags covered in linseed oil finish spontaneously combust sometimes. Store them in a mason jar or something.

>>4017612
how old are you now?

>>4017612
but anon, you are still a child.
true adults aren't crybabies like you.

Art is all about passion, if you don't enjoy drawing and just enjoy the finished product you're never gonna fucking make it. I've made some shit art over the years but I still enjoy every second I'm not artistically practicing fundies. This is still one of my favorite pictures I've ever drawn. If you don't enjoy the act of drawing itself you'll never make it, point blank period.

>>4017847
>girl who made it gives you some advice
>immediately dismiss advice halfway through trying for the first time
You're a fucking lost cause, you clearly don't want to actually learn anything that involves you failing. Cry somewhere else pussy.

>>4019815
try snorting pepper, i find it loosens me up enough to get my hands to do everything.