/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

The trolling continues.
Nice.

just keep studying

>>4015600
Those heads are decent but if Loomis isn't working for you try Vilpu or Hampton. The facial features are all wrong and you need to learn how to properly rotate them, think of drawing in a 3D way.

But your lineart and values are decent, keep studying but put some conscious effort in correcting your flaws.

>>4015614
thats from a manga

>>4015614
fucking /beg/, never change

bridgeman book a meme?

>>4015584
I drew this from reference a few months ago for a friend. I'm not that much of a beginner but I feel i need to work more on fundamentals.

>>4015614
lol this has to be a troll

>>4015643
See this post>>4015596

>>4015626
Not bad. You could level up real fast if you learned how to do smoother rendering. It's not particularly hard, you just have to be slow and patient and build up darker values in layers rather than putting them down in one go. The scribbled patches for the hair look particularly amateurish. But overall good job.

Trying to work on my little floral watercolors

>>4015647
Cute!

>>4015648
Copying Loomis's deformed stick figures won't help you learn anything. You're better off just copying the kinds of works you want to be able to draw. Once you have more mileage under your belt maybe you can start looking to books to help you systematize your knowledge.

>>4015647

>>4015651
i don't understand

i think i just wanna change my plan now, instead of
doing gestures i'm going to copy artists that i like until i can draw something from memory then i draw gesture and that stuff
is that good? i can draw 3d stuff just fine so i think is not going to be so hard

>>4015645
Thanks dude. I did it in like 20 minutes so the hair is worse than usual.

>>4015653
Thanks for your opinion. But im a lady who like her nails.

>>4015651
>You're better off just copying the kinds of works you want to be able to draw.
you mean i can copy sca and my other favorite artists? but what about the fundamentals what about the loomis deformed stick figures? Unless you're trying to temp me like Lucifer Satan. I will be wary of your advice.

Another day in the life of a western beg lol.
How are you guys doing?

New exercise.

i'll make sure to loomis between the others

>>4015673
Lemme date ya.

>>4015673
DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN.

Make sure to do this.

>>4015647
Clip'em.

>>4015647
Do you use nail polish?

>>4015661
No.
Look at the OP image long and hard. Try to draw the left side. You can't. Because you don't have the foundation. Go back to practising gestures.

>>4015726
You mean I have to fight le kangaroo man again?

>>4015724
>>4015723
>>4015719
>>4015716
I love how /ic/ is so worried about nail length. No wonder you're NGMI

>>4015584
I fell for the meme. I was trying to draw a cute anime girl and after a few edits I zoomed out I got this. Now I feel like changing the whole drawing to something else since i liked that face.

>>4015719
WHY THIS FUCKING NIGGER ISN'T BANNED YET?

>>4015701
her left leg is strange or it is just me?

>>4015739
Fate doesn't want me to give up wtf, the very next song has the pose I wanted to see.

>>4015726
you mean that i need to draw the kangaroo? if so here it is

How do I learn perspective?

>>4015751

I just started Keys To Drawing yesterday, this is one of the exercises.

I know basically everything is wrong, but I guess one has to start somewhere.

>>4015750
A confusing interpretation of an already confused mess. You're going to make it.

>>4015755
This is the reference for, well, reference.

>>4015758
Thats not a real person ladie

>>4015766
Eh, the point of the exercise was to replicate the stroke work of an artist, I don't think it being not real effects much of anything.

Although admittedly I didn't even get the style right, so better luck next time I guess.

>>4015775
Sure jan
There are litteraly no strokes anon. You would have been better off with a traditional artist.

>>4015584
>bri
was thinking of getting Morpho: Anatomy for Artists. what do you think of this book?

>>4015779
I think I worded it poorly. It's more the style. I chose to do something that attempts (keyword being attempt) to replicate something like this, hence the weirdness of it.

But I did that wrong, so I just need to keep working on it and figuring out how to do it better next time.

freehand except for the hand holding the pig, any tips would be great

loomis always prevails

>>4015807
another one

>>4015807
stubby ass nigga

>>4015810
Except not. That ribcage.

>>4015726
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but, the vast majority of commercial artists were already very good from years of childhood practice before they started drawing gestures, assuming they've ever even drawn them at all. The idea that someone has to know how to draw gestures (i.e. some weird arbitrary system that's no better than any other weird arbitrary system) before they can successfully start drawing other things they want is absurd and has zero empirical support.

Wow

>>4015733
Wtf, there are grannies posting on /ic/? The board is suddenly very comfy.

trying to draw with simple shapes to draw from a reference image? any resources i can gimplse at to understand this better? namaste

Doing the Ctrl+Paint lessons.

Gonna use this as a reference

>>4015856
Measure it this time

>>4015856

>>4015856
youre a horny motherfucker >:)

https://youtu.be/araU0fZj6oQ

>>4015828
Your shapes don't make any sense. You're not thinking about what those planes are actually describing, you're just trying to fit as many triangles in as you can. Try drawing some wire frame like lines that wrap around the form so that you're thinking about what is actually there.

>>4015881
thank you so much anon. by the way is it bad practice to draw over the reference image directly in digital art or is it fine?

>>4015818
Was the fact that I was asking him to draw proko's monster not a clear sign of trolling?

>>4015945
Depends on why you're doing it. If it's to study the image then I don't see why not. It's not like it'll make you worse. Just don't exclusively trace things, try to construct things with the shapes that you're making with the traces. If that makes sense. Remember to think 3D though, that's cubes and spheres not squares and circles.

ol cirno

How do I use gesture drawing to draw figures less stiff? Do I do a quick gesture pose and then draw the construction on top? I drew this using an action line, then i just did the construction on top

Another day, another page worth of attempts to grasp the intended purpose of doing this exercise. Pretty sure I spent more than the allowed time on some of these. "How to draw lines to guide the viewer's eye" is easier for me to think about than to actually do, I still end up just drawing what I see. I have a lot to read up on still, but keeping the practice going while I do it.

>>4015755
Theres a lot of problems here, but the biggest being the placement of the eyes. I'm not going to red line but if you drew a line from the tear ducts and a line under the bottom of the nose you should see where you went wrong on that

I'm back

>>4015996
Thanks for offering at least the critique.

I'm just working through the first few chapters, so I don't expect much other than mistakes.

>>4015739
3 hours for this, I don't feel like doing any special rendering. I burned out after trying to polish the comic page

>>4015625
No, but probably not good for a primary source of instruction for a /beg/. Bridgman books are a bit more conceptual than practical and they don't hold your hand. Still great books though.

>>4015991
still very contour heavy

>>4016004
she has a twenty yr old face on a two yr old body

>>4015739
3 hours for this. I don't feel like doing any complex rendering, I burned out after trying to polish the flat colors on the comic page.
Maybe I can try cell shading or something that only requires 2-3 values.

>>4016010
How do you know what a two year olds body looks like?

>>4016017
Educated guess?

>>4015956
thanks again for your advice, im going to keep doing studies like these hopefully i am going in the right direction now

>>4016009

I think I'm at least seeing it now, I just need to figure out how to apply the idea of fixing the problem.

>>4016022
Good work! Keep it up.

>>4016022
what are these fluffy cows called

>>4016021
Also do you understand anime proportions or nah?

>>4015977
Correct. You draw the gesture then build the forms ontop of it following the flow of the gesture. The challenge is learning how to create a realistic figure while capturing its flow and movement.

>>4016026
i think they are just shampooed and blow dried to be fluffy lolol

>>4016025
>>4016022
Just remember as you continue to really think about what lines/shapes you use and why. That's where I think tracing over the top of things too much can get you in trouble. When you stop thinking too much about what you're tracing.

>>4016004
>>4016028
is it supposed to be loli? bc it looks very loli esque

>>4015688
Yes, you can copy your favorite artists because thats what you seek to draw and enjoy. You won't make it if you don't find what you enjoy to draw. Just make sure to always remember the fundies and if you can't draw say, a hand, go study hands and then apply it to your personal work.

>>4016044
Ye I used a loli as a reference.

>>4016039
that makes sense, in the future i will try to draw on a seperate canvas while looking at the reference. im pretty tired of drawing on a tablet so i want to try to go back to drawing in a sketchbook tomorrow just to relieve my tired eyes

>>4016046
she doesnt have a child's face, needs more baby fat

>>4016023
here's a gamer pro tip. I see you do a lot of opposing curves in the calves and leg area which destroys the gesture

>>4016046
you used a naked little girl as youre reference pimp? high five

>>4016004
Pls stay back, thanks

>>4016081
As in stay back from you, or stay in this board?

>>4015744
Nah. It's perfectly okay. Just turned inward.

using construction

>>4016045
are you sure that's what the book says? sometimes it is hard what to believe so i will believe what you said

speaking about copying favorite artists could somebody please tell me which brush was used to color everything in? i bet it was an airbrush

>>4016106

>>4016113
I know you're goofing off, but an issue I see with most /beg/ artists (I'm /beg/ myself, too) is that they only swear by what the book tells them and only do gesture/loomis skeleton studies or grind boxes endlessly. That isn't how you're going to make it. I was like this for a while myself. I would only study photos or do figure studies because I thought I had too. Don't spend all day just studying. Make something fun, and when you encounter a flaw, go improve upon it. It's ok to make bad art sometimes as long you know WHY its bad and you're confident you can fix it in the future.

>>4016106
>>4016144
try to apply construction into an original piece and push yourself! i like your touhou pictures

>>4016173
He's a literal shitposter.

>>4016173
that's what i was trying to do, i was using hitokaku's rectangle construction method as seen here

Cons
it's missing ankle bones, I think I put the pelvis and hips too far from the bottom of the ribcage, the hand sucks, the feet aren't leveled, and the face sucks.

On the plus side, I like the legs and what I did with her ass cause I was going for that small butt look.

Any other major fuck ups anyone can see?

>>4016182
woops, forgot pic

>>4016173
wait i don't really follow, you want me to make OC instead of touhou?

wait that means people do not want cinnamon roll? then like the draw people thread they want me to give up my drawing powers also my brain has been fried by this logic and now i cannot comprehend it if people do not want to see my drawings then i shall stop it forever i'll make sure to delete everything for good

>>4016192
original piece means something from your imagination, it can be any character

>>4016132
he used an airbrush on the redness on her elbow and her cheeks, everything else is a hardbrush and some blending

>>4015647
Your flowers are too "two dimensional" looking. Even though its not explicitly about flowers, I would recommend looking at "how to draw the head and hands" by andrew loomis. Even, "fun with a pencil" is a good starting tool if you really want to learn how to draw properly.
The fact that your flowers have incorrect anatomy and aren't in three dimensions sort of shows you are a beginner

Need to draw better eyes.

>>4016214
KEEEEEEEK

>>4016170
not him but thanks for the words man

I am trying to branch out from what I normally draw and I'm drawing a transgender possum person laying on a bed and uhh I realize I had no sense of scale for non-human stuff, and have been having a big problem drawing the torso to scale. I am tired of starting new drawings and want to actually start finishing them in order to actually get good. Please excuse the content but I do want to get better at this and would very much like to finish. With that said, my question is, how do I better visualize what I need to draw? My brain can't seem to put together basic shapes, so I'll literally start one area like the left foot and finish it, before starting somewhere else.

>>4016223
it wasnt that funny

>>4016182
>>4016184
>Use reference
>Make the ass several times small
IRELAND FUCK OFF

>>4016229
If you draw that then I'd recommend ending it, it's too late for you.
Disgusting furry

I'm also a transgender furry

explain clipped layers im trying to use it

>>4016289
bruh it's good practice to use a reference but draw it different to fit the specific subject

>>4016305
this is how i did it

>>4015758
Your drawing looks as ugly as the person you are drawing, I don't know how you even came to desire to want to draw this ugly mixed race cunt.

>>4016351
white tears

How did I do? Got kinda inspired with this one, going back to my occult roots. Though does the title look fine or is it out of place there? Took me 8 hours.

>>4015758
looks shopped

>>4016367
And this is how it looked at 3 hours, it was just a tranny Kira.
Also if you notice broken anatomy let's say it's my style

>>4016370
I think you're on the path to leaving /beg/ if you grind your fundies more, but I gotta say those demon granny hands I keep seeing need to go

>>4016363
I'm not white, I'm jewish.

Well, I suppose you are sort of correct in the way that the colour of my SKIN is white, but that does not refer to ethnicity when you only talk about a persons skin colour.

>>4016307
>Bruh it's good practice to make excuses for not being able to study properly

Everybody here fucking sucks and should just hang out themselves. Majority of teenagers can draw better than you retarded ngmi fucks

>>4016384
Jokes on you, I could draw better than myself when I was a teenager too

>>4016381
I'll add
Even if it's referenced, the proportions are whack, the "smaller ass" doesn't make sense because of the left thigh being bigger, the head position is in your comfort zone and the hand and feet are non existent. This wasn't a "reference", this was pure laziness.

>>4016384
Majority of decent artists left this fucking shit hole years ago. Now it's just full of retards who would rather complain about art rather than draw.

>>4015584

Rate my rock, /ic/. I've been learning about values and how to create forms from value instead of lines. I think I've finally got the hang of it but feel free to give me feedback and critique.

>>4016392
looks solid

First thing I've drawn in well over a year :c

>>4016418
There's a lot I can say, but considering this is your first drawing in well over a year, I'll just say it's cute. Keep it up.

Can someone help me with what I got? I know a lot of the fundamentals are bad (like the empty background, the half-cooked perspective, and the shading), but I don't really know how to go about many of those things. Shading's my main issue, I just use the standard cell-shading, and I've no idea how to go about any other kind of rendering.

>>4016421
imo you should concern yourself with rendering in color after you've got values and perspective down. for now your two value system is ok. You could add even a third fo highlights animu style.

>>4015810
A firefighter superhero character who kills fire off not by dousing it with water but by sucking literally all the oxygen in the vicinity with his turbo lungs capacity and suffocates the fire into death. Cool idea, anon.

>>4016426
You do the values before? Not in conjunction with the colouring/shading?

>>4016418
I think this is the best thing I've done in a very long time?

>>4016370
>>4016367
the eyes and hand where you actually do a little bit of "rendering" are the best parts and you should just grind stuff like that instead of putting time into finishing those pieces

even scratchy shading looks cool

>>4014508
Don’t worry, I’m bad at drawing from any angle.

Need help w/ making better lines as a whole. Like like quality and confidence and just making it look good in general. Any tips? I've been starting the Peter Han lectures recently so there's that.

I just want to stop making ugly misplaced chicken scratch lol

>>4016421
Your character isn't bad but what >>4016426 said is true about the perspective being way off.

As for shading, it is simply just a lot of busywork. If you want to make it good using hard cell shading you need to pick a lot of colors for midtones and arrange them over the form keeping the light direction in mind. On the positive side your picture has clearly identifiable light source because of the shadow that the character casts on the box, this is already a good thing.

Here you go, my shitty attempt at continuing it.

>>4016542
The character he drew is just a new Pokemon with a thot's body

>>4016546
I don't follow Pokemon but thanks

>>4016542
Thanks Anon. Your use of the basic brush tool is VERY helpful, I can easily (or easily enough) understand your process behind shading.
I'll also try to have some guidelines on perspective, see if that'll help.

Seriously, thanks. I'll see if I can start colouring with an ambient, too.

>>4016546
Also, yeah. It's a request I got off of a drawthread in one of the boards. It's Drednaw, but I had to take a lot of liberties with the head.

>>4016431
In practice some artist do them at the same time, some separate them or some even go back and forth.
But theory wise before learning to apply tone and stuff you should first concentrate on value and volume

Hey, Newfag here, can someone explain what an ngmi is?

>>4016633
New Grinding Monetized Index

>>4016637
Everyone on this board even the ones who gmi

>>4016633
see >>4014473

>>4016650
Thanks

I had a dream that I was learning to draw dicks and I was just copying the dicks of artists I like. Is that how I should learn?

>>4016660
Yes

>>4016660
Follow your dreams Anon!

>>4016660
yes, pm me to send you some .. art

>he buys expensive art software as a beginner even though there is no guarantee he'll become good enough to use it to its full potential
why do people do this

>>4015701
Kojimbo acting really weird after Konami.

>>4016687
This not the "stupid questions' thread.
Post your work or go away with your meme questions!

>>4016697
No, I think it's an important /beg/ problem. But it probably needs its own thread.

>>4016527
Can't link it right now but do some line exercises. Look up Peter Han's videos on dynamic sketching

continuing on with loomis bodies

>>4016700
>No, I think it's an important /beg/ problem.
>A new thread is made about it almost every day just to meme.
It is not your problem, not our problem and not the board's problem. Focus on your own part progress instead of other people's financial decisions. I get it that it makes you feel really smart and all so it strokes your little ego but this is not the place for that.

>>4016527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7IcBvBGtY

>>4016714
FOH. I see far, far more posts in the vein of "which software should I get" "PS vs CSP?" than the ones you're talking about. /beg/s think the choice of software would have any effect on their growth as an artist. The fact that you think this is a meme question goes to show just how much you've been paying attention to what's going on in this board

Guys my hands shake too much and I can`t concentrate on drawing lines. what do?

>>4016722
I usually hate this advice, but really, draw more. get a piece of paper and start drawing lines close to each other, don't stop the stroke even if you mess up. It gets tedious after a while but it's the best way to build muscle memory.

>>4016728
thanks anon

Ok, so I watched some Marshall vandruff and read perspective made easy up to chapter 6.

The question I have is that if I spend 10 hours a day learning perspective should I learn other stuff during that time period like construction, anatomy, gesture, and composition along with perspective like a mix? Or should I use that time to get a really good understanding of a subject before moving on to the next?

Thanks

yaranaika?
I think I'm just gonna give up

>>4015744
Have you never seen a jap before? What planet are you from?

>>4016708
Do you have a good video for Loomis bodies?

>>4016184
The left arm is enormous

>>4016804
Nah keep going

>>4016803
Do a subject until you understand it just well enough, then move on to other stuff. Mastering one subject after another takes way too long time.

First portrait.

Tear me apart, bb.

>>4016421
no connect between your breast tissue and deltoid.

>>4016829
not bad t bh but the eyes are completely flat.
Study how to simplify them with pic related

>>4016829
Learn how to render with pencil. Just draw some spheres and cubes and shade them as cleanly as you can. Practice until they look good. You'll make massive gains for not that much effort.

>>4016845
>>4016842
Thanks a lot, boys. Much appreciated.

>>4016842
Eyes are the fucking death of me right now so I'll really be looking into this.

>>4016480
You mean I should grind body parts or other stuff and practice shading? Like the hand and face? I guess I can do that

>>4015645
there's absolutely nothing wrong with his rendering in that sketch.
fucking autistic ass reply.

>>4016899
Yes when I lay on my back I also sometimes have a boob sagging all the way over the side of my body onto the floor.

How would you construct the head with ball and plane here?
I've tried a bit, but I can't quite figure out how it would look like.

>>4016940
This sort unnder the chin angle but we dont see under the chin is sort of technically wrong but it's something many many artists do because they probable don't want to bother, as it's a difficult angle to draw.

>>4016966
Just noticed the angle is wrong because my phone was sideways kek, would still look the same though.

>>4016687
well that's kinda pessimistic. "Why spend money on something i know I'll just give up eventually?" How about don't spend a lot of money on something that you're not committed to.

>>4016966
>under the chin angle but we don't see under the chin is technically wrong
I've been thinking about this angle lately, I'm not so sure actually. I think it is possible to generate a view like this, where you get the sense that the head is titled up but the arc of the chin hasn't fully inverted and exposed the neck yet, if the head is the right level above the viewer and it's tilted at the right angle. If you have an anatomy skull it's easy to experiment for yourself. I might try takin some pictures later.

Whats the stance on pose tools? Is it ok to trace some guidelines as long as you dont do the model? I cant find pictures for the pose I want to make.

>>4016966
>>4016969
Thanks for the insight, that "box" technique Proko's extreme angle video helped a bit, and I think you're right in that it LOOKS natural, but technically isn't.

>>4017004
Do whatever you want, but, if you feel the need to rely on tools like that then you can't have been drawing very long. It's easy to find videos of pros effortlessly sketching any pose they want. Don't you want to be able to do that too? You can, you just have to work at it.

>>4017004
nothing wrong with using them, that's what they were made for, don't expect to learn anything though
protip: blur the shit out pose before tracing so drawing doesn't look stiff

Is 24yo too late to start learning how to draw?
P-please be gentle.
Or dont.

>>4017028
No, age doesn't matter. Do what you love, fuck the haters.

is there any version of the Loomis books that's actually fucking readable? the PDFs are so poorly scanned.

Draw.

>>4017028
You need 3-5 years to learn complex skills, including drawing. So as long as you are not preparing to die in the next 5 years you should be good.

>>4017028
I started when I was 24, I’m 32 now. The journey feels good

>>4016966
The reason artists do that angle is for appeal.
Actual chin from below angles look kinda ugly, especially on women.

How's everybody doing on this fine monday afternoon?

I dont know why but everything that i draw that is not a basic skeleton has this really toyish/childish feel to them. Is it my style? The way i shade?
I really want ti get rid of them because it makes literally ashamed of my pieces

Ex. pic

>>4017068
Its the way you shade annon. Shading works as being hard edged or airbrushed and you lend way to heavily on airbrush. Try studying how better artists shade. You also shade by adding black to your base color, study color theory to fix this. Also those elipse tables in the back look horrible. Practice elipses

>>4017077
I have a bucket of examples with different methods if you need

>>4017077

You don't need more than one hard brush and an airbrush this is bullshit.

>>4015720
no matter how much you post this they will never listen or learn despite it being so simple after just a bit of practice.

>>4016209

>>4015856
Wat a fatty

Drew from a reference and i feel like that doesnt count? Like i'm cheating lmao

>>4017112

The harder you cheat the faster you get better.

>>4017077
What about this one? I used different methods on everything but i still get the feeling

>>4017148

The main culprit is you not understanding form. If you master form you can render as a corollary even.

>>4017112
Early on studying pictures to get a hang of your tools and shading and to train your eye is a good.

>>4017053
That's true, but I think it can still be pulled off somehow.

>>4017077
>use warmer and cooler colors to define light and shadow
Holy shit, the answer was here all along

>>4017148

>>4017186
gosh that looks really hard how do you know which colors will go good together without guessing which is what it feels like for me

>>4016209
>>4017094
Yo what-up it's ya boi can't focus on shit back at it again.

I notice in examples of people doing gesture exercises the use of a lot of construction lines... It seems to go against the descriptions I've seen of what to do with gesture, which I think is a source of a lot of my confusion. I think at some point in my attempts today something changed in the way I was doing it, but I still feel like I'm not on the right track.

>>4017186
Should i keep some kind of "ladder" with colors while shading? I usually just darken them till they look kinda right

>>4017210
What do you mean?

>>4017210
>>4017229

>>4017236
Ruby rose has been turned into Yang!

gonna use this as reference

>>4017236
I am sorry.....i am still lost on what you mean, you mean the color palette?

>>4017238
>moomookow will never be your waifu
>she will never sit on your face and brap
>will never choke between her THICCness
It not fair bro

Just finished.

>>4017086
i'll make sure to do it

Botched failure.

Drew something sketchy I don't know why, can this even be evaluated?

Drew something sketchy I don't know why, can this even be evaluated?

>>4017271
Your fucking shit pisses me off I hate you.

>>4017240
Update

>>4017271
Like this is the most fucking shit I've seen, you make the other post embarrassing to be next to.

>>4016872
i meant you should try to draw with the shadows instead of symbols

So when drawing face proportions with the intersecting lines like in >>4016966 do i erase them in the final version of the drawing or draw the final one without them? What if i’m using a pen? Would i redraw it without them?

>>4015584
Some1 post the original

>>4017337
The idea is that you'll eventually get to a point where you won't need to draw every single drafting/planning line and will need minimal construction but yes, you will draw the final product without the lines.
I try to use a wooden pencil and place my drafting lines as lightly as possible if I'm going to only do a pencil sketch so people don't see all the draft work underneath and focus on the final product. If you're going to ink the drawing, digitally or traditionally, it doesn't really matter. If you're finishing it digitally, go crazy with the pencil. If you're inking with a pen, you can leave as many construction lines as you want as long as you can still tell understand what it is that you're inking over.
Also, just try not to make lines that you won't be able to erase so don't carve impressions into the paper like you're doing a wood carving.

>>4016966

Showing the underside of the chin ruins the stylization on a lot of faces. This is a rule broken because it looks better with certain types of faces.

gotta use construction

How is it

>>4017337
It entirely depends on the medium you're using and what kind of piece you're doing.
If your drawing is a blueprint for a digital painting and you're going to scan it in or take a photo of it, then it's a moot point. Similarly with trad paints, if you're painting on the same surface that you did your drawing on then you'll probably just end up covering it up, although this might not always be the case if, say, you're doing watercolors and plan on having some very transparent areas.
If your drawing is a blueprint for a final graphite/charcoal/ink drawing on paper then you have a few options. You can keep the lines as they are, or you can erase them, it's entirely up to you and what fits the situation, how much you think they'll blend into the final piece, etc. There are also a few other tools you can use, like a lightbox for tracing (draw the sketch as messy as you want and then start the final drawing by tracing the original very lightly), or a non-photo blue pencil. Some people used to use overhead projectors to project the sketch and trace over the projected image, which was also useful for scaling.

Make sure to draw today.

>>4016076
Book/reference for that picture?

Which head method do you guys prefer, Huston's method or the classic Loomis method?

>>4017307

Resized

>>4017538
Oh I'm an idiot

Some loomis from imagination and some skulls from ref

is this construction

>>4017545
I'm tired of this shitposter, fuck off.

To clarify an earlier question. An anon provided this youtube video as an example of gesture exercises:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpejM-T9YG0

But I'm having a hard time identifying how this is actually applying the concepts the instructions gave for how to use gesture. Pic related is an example, I can't yet see where or how the video uses this at all. I can sort of see how asymmetry could be used in an abstract way by skewing the edges of a 3D object (it would probably be easier to see if I could see his model while he draws), but even that I don't really know how to apply in my own exercises.

So, I'm hesitant to try to mimic the technique of the video when I don't really know what he is doing, and I feel like I'm not producing the desired results when I follow my interpretation of the written directions.

Started drawing in the last year or so and did some loomis and other doodles between school work. Now that I'm on break I have more time to draw but all of the resources are overwhelming and I wouldn't mind being pointed at where I should start getting back into it. Been working on this, still trying to figure out the hand.

>>4017519
i like bridgman

Draw.

Probably not a /beg/ question but how do you paint fire? and is using burn & dodge good practice to make it look more realistic?

getting used to tablet and was scribbling stuff when the rough guy in red sort of happened so i kept rolling with it to check my rough proportions.

I felt like I'd got them about right on the last image here and was fighting the urge to get into more details as it was never intended to be anything, would be more of a hassle than a help at this point i think.

How does it look to you guys?

>>4017227
Have you watched prokos videos on it? It looks like you're still focusing too much on the contour of the form.

Did ears from imagination, idk if anyone really know how to critique ears, I sure don't, but if you can, please do

>>4017572
You have two attached to your arms, look at those.

>>4017660
Yeah, those are my attempts, trying to refine the hands (if that's what you mean). Trying to just get better at drawing over-all, not exactly hands specifically. But I'll keep at it.

any fellow /k/ommandos (or anyone else really) wanna give criticism? yes i'm going to fix the muzzle. was done in ms paint

>>4017545
didn't know what to do with the construction so i started a new drawing gotta draw more dynamic touhou but i already done gestures but they still look flat

a few weeks of figure drawing - how am i doing? critiques?

>>4017576
Bridgman has a very nice method, Huston's features are very similar

>>4017572
your left hand is a right hand. other than that, work on that shading above the breasts. other than that, the abdomen region looks great

>>4017674
Keep drawing.

>>4017674
The top left pose seems impossible, the torso looks like it's sliding like it's part of a machine

>>4017678
Are you trying to help us draw or jerk off?

>>4017501
https://mega.nz/#!uKoxiYoD!9QrUfPyk1xQLFc_K0hBW-DG7nHUWwKcbRtCfuV_pK8E

>>4017682
Giving reference.

>>4017677
Oh yeah, I was going for a "grabbing the sheets" pose of the hand but it's pretty difficult. I'll definitely work on refining the shading and thanks for your compliment uguu, this all gives me some food for thought, I appreciate it.

>>4017542
Cool skulls anon

/beg/ fags, do you have a muse? Pic related is mine.

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>>4017687
I thought she was waving and the fingers were really short.

Maybe I'm not one to judge but thinking im ready to move on to construction. A recent 2 minute gesture.

>>4017699
Reference.

>>4017697
Damn she is flexible my b

>>4017698
lol yeah that's why I gotta work on improving.

>>4017683
Thanks, bruv.

>>4017699
Your proportions are way off. Her ass is 3/4ths the size of her torso. There's exaggeration and then there's blowing proportions. Other things: Where are her shoulders located? What is the spine doing? Why are her calves the size of her quads?

>>4017685
>>4017692
>>4017678
Pls tell me she has a penis

Motherfucker the dynamic sketching class is just compiled of the "master class" and isn't even the actual class. No wonder everything is so out of order. Now I have to pay or I'm just going to end up gimping myself. Whoever put up the torrent years ago go fuck yourself.

>>4017744
If you want

I just sketched this, did I get proportion and anatomy right?

>>4017771
no, it seems this bear has human proportions
I recommend you dontdraw

what do you do when you are feeling really down about your art? i feel that my art has no face no energy

>draw mostly men and mens faces for years because faggot
>decide to start drawing womans face
>ends up looking like a little boy every single time even when I draw from ref or real life

>>4017775
oof you got me :(

>>4017545
gave up on hand

how do these look in terms of perspective and such?

I give up on rendering. I don't like how my sketchy shading looked so I tried to color it and burned out... I'll have to accept this is my level. First time hatching in digital though maybe I get better later on

>>4017816
It looks kinda aesthetic with phone filters and the flat colors

>>4017785
Are you Araki?

>>4017824
I wish

>>4017816
Don't give up man!

I ALWAYS END BACK IN A CYCLE OF SHAME looking in the mirror is hard. Going to on adventures to find that the answers aren't plain BUT THERE'S COMFORT IN TEARS

>>4017678
>>4017685
>>4017692
>>4017697
Post your work not photos, if you want to post refs make a new thread!

>>4017838
DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN. DON'T, DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN.

How can I draw children bodies without looking at references?

>>4017656
I swear to fucking god
It's called /beg/ because you have to beg for critiques

Rate colors, I don't know how to water

>>4017390
Thank you for showing the process of gesture, construction, detail, to a finish piece that looks half decent.

>>4017771
Hey buddy, I recommend some more muscle detail on the arms, they seem thin as out of sync. Wanna chat about it away from this board?

>"begginers drawing guide" book
>requires more tools then a piece of paper and a pencil
This annoys me.
I am not going out of my way to buy or make something that I will use for a single excercise and never touch again.

>>4017960
you think they are too thin? I suppose you are right, I can make bigger thanks!
oh there are other places to discuss beg art?

>>4017697
Best proko girl

>>4017785
please post work

Goal is to git gud in 2D but I'll be fucking around with 3D programs for a few months. Think it'll help me at all with my perception of 3D space on a 2D plane?

>>4017910
Water should be more tealer. Also add shadows.

>>4018008
Probably not. A general life lesson I've learned is that practicing X almost never helps you with getting better at Y, even if X and Y are really similar and closely related. If you want to get hood at 2D drawing, you have to do a lot of 2D drawing, that's all there is to it.

I'm having a hard time figuring out how the artist on the right get that more softer color when painting. Is it a lower opacity then slowly increasing it?

>>4017699
Very nice, I think proportion is irrelevant at this stage, but bear in mind what anon said as you move onto more detailed construction.

>>4015584
I practiced some circles. Also, this captcha is fucking frustrating. Fuck Hiromoot and Googlefags.

>>4018122
weusng ehsjt ang bjeel asp

>>4015584
This thread is going so fast no one will notice my troll art pretending to be real are disguised as a troll post, teeheehee.

>>4018115
I'll work on getting landmarks down them from Hampton. That's should help a bit.

>>4018126
guhy jeuas plosj wudy

>>4018151
I suck. Also, fuck Hiro.

I've mostly drawn from refferences of real people so far but I tried to draw something with more stylished proportions, I looked at a few images for the general idea of the pose and the types of proportions and then i closed those and drew from "imagination" any critiques?

>>4018255
Fuck forgot I was zoomed in while resizing because I'm a tard.

Ohayou gozaimasu /beg/

How fucked is my perspective today? I smoked weed and drank coffee for like 3 hours to make this. It was one of the best combinations ever.

>>4018259
It's hard to know where to even begin. Rule of thirds. Chin, nose, brow, hairline. Center line. Symbol drawing eyes. You are not thinking 3d shapes. I highly highly highly recommend Daniel han dynamic Bible from the art book thread and look him up on YouTube. You need to learn construction/you need to think in 3d and you need to learn proportions and line weight.

Started finally on doing landmarks on gesture drawings according to Hampton's methods. Maybe it's because I just started but I think I'm missing something. Thoughts?

still on loomis bodies. looks like a great segway to learning gesture too
>>4016811
nope, im just using the book for this

I wanted to test some brushes I got and not gonna lie, textured ones are pretty fun.

new >>4018490

>>4017980
@duskoh for my Twitter or Dusk #0378 for discord. Add me whenever you can

>>4016229
Well normally I just start with the torso and scale everything to that. With what you're trying to do, I think you ultimately have to decide if you want to do humanlike proportions, which is easier imo, or animal like proportions, which will requires looking at animal skeletons and converting that to a biped

Also, it's suprising to see someone like me on this board, you go girl!

>>4017656
On the face-forward head at the bottom of this pic, one of the ears (their right) is longer then the other. When making ears, you want to make them both as similar as possible in length, design, and style. Fantasy ears even more so. Be more careful with this, use a ruler if you have to when doing front shots. From a design standpoint on the same head, their left ear is more appealing. Its slightly shorter so it doesnt crowd the design, but it has mass and shape -- the slight angle gives the appearance of a droop, which is more realistic due to gravity.

Their right ear goes straight out, which doesnt physically make sense and makes that little elf look more like it has a dick on the side of its head. I dont know if you drew their left side first and couldnt maintain the shape on their right, or if you did the right side first and then improved. Either way, the right ear needs work.

That side profile looks nice. Nothing to comment on, it looks like a more concentrated droop at the end, which is fine. But I would have to see a front shot of that same ear to make sure that you have the base form of it down properly.

That side view is actually improperly drawn, as the tragus (ear flap) should be covering the cavum of concha (ear dip) more. It looks like it doesnt have enough depth from the way the inside of the ear is shaped. The last two look like theyre structured fine enough - they're fantasy ears at an easy angle so not much to complain about.

Last notes, for some extra homework. The hair on your middle front-facing character is not well formed. Remember that in front view, heads are egg shaped more then anything, and you have the top of the head much too wide and unsymmetrical from the bottom half of the head oval. Hair sits ON the head, and it will hint at head shape. Therefore, having it sit and then waterfall off is bad design. I also dont see any hair below the ears or near the neck, which is likely to happen with that kind of choppy haircut.

>>4017674
You say figure drawings but that doesnt mean anything. Are they finished pieces that you used reference for, or were you just... drawing without reference and seeing what happened? Youre a beginner posting on a crit thread so you need to be more specific about what you were trying to accomplish in order to see if it was successful, and not just post something and ask how it looks. I cant give custom critique when I know nothing about where youre artistically at or what youre trying to do. Think about what youre drawing and share that. Thats my main critisism. Now, Im going to assume that these are gesture drawings because thats what they look like to me. You can push those poses more, exaggerate it a little. If these are referenced then you should Iook more closely at the references that youre using when it comes to muscles. If you did these from your imagination and just want to see if youre on the right track by sharing, then congrats youre gmi, now do studies.

>>4018835
Thank you for the feedback, maybe I can get more feedback on something else? I actually restarted on something new and drew this! Since I don't have a specific style I have a hard time keeping it consistent between drawings.

But Cloud Conjure is a level 1 spell and I love this baby.

>>4018255
The proportions are stylistically good, but those arms are too damn small.

>>4018317
His dick looks like a beaver tail in ur drawing

>>4019197
Is this a baby furry with heart eyes, a metal tshirt, a sparkle diaper, wearing glasses? Firstly, why. Secondly, nice color choices. Thirdly, those fingers do not sit well.

>>4019211
It's a sabatic goat because I thought it was funny, the glasses are my own, heart eyes are cute, and diapers are cute for babies. It was made simply by starting one area and moving onto the next, and I like the grape jelly fingers but they can be redone.

However they were originally meant to be a plushie of sorts, and I wanted to redact that but keep the features, hence the stature, weird outfit, and overall cutesy but strange anatomical design.

>>4019203
Thanks, your totally right now that I'm looking at it, it must have slipped past me due to the bend arms but those wrists defintly don't come down to the hips.

>>4019197
>babyfur
Jokes aside I like this, it's cute! And even though you don't think it, you do have a style that's showing through, I can only describe it as "Black Ops 1 Battle Tags" but it's present, and it's nice, if I had to point out a spot to improve I'd say the area to the viewer's left where the arm overlaps the face looks a tad noisy. But all in all it's v good

>>4019269
Wow that is extremely accurate, and it is a little noisy but I am really happy you said that! Thank you, but consider my other drawing, those are both "my style" but both are radically different.

>>4019276
It might just be how I'm like, seeing the two images in question but both come off looking they they were kind of building blocked together out of basic shapes. It might be how you are using color that makes it read to me like that though, I'm not sure on that front. But that's what I mean by you showing a style, it makes your drawings stand out in a unique way.

>>4015701
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>>4017701

Just trying to make it a non-zero day...