/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4010098
oof thats depressing

>>4010098
went from cute to ugly dyke.
The drawing isnt any better either.

>>4010098
drawing only for fun. no education/degree
Found the best way to learn, for me, is to just sketch a lot using only imagination, and look back at the drawings I did and try to figure out what's wrong.

>>4010098
The first face has more appeal

>>4010115
You haven’t learned anything. They’re both shit.

It makes me want to cry

I've gotten a better understanding of the head and where things go but I still feel like I'm stabbing in the dark.

Need to pay more attention to the size and placement of features. Might give up on grinding heads for a while and figure out how to actually draw a body. Any suggestions for that?

Also how the fuck do cheeks work jesus christ.

All in all I need to use more and varied references but at the same time I've been told to get really good at drawing a single head and that I'll then be able to draw other heads through simply modifying that original, perfected head. I just don't fucking know.

>>4010098
Soul/Soulless.

>>4010120
guess, I'll go to artschool and learn something then :(

>>4010115
As a Somali I find this disgusting, hope you end up commiting suicide ya ugly cunt

>>4010129
yikes

>>4010123
Maybe you should draw something else anon?
Think bigger?

>>4010126
I really hope your life is miserable you European bastard, you’re shit at art btw. All those years of practice and you have nothing to show for it, NGMI

>>4010123
I recommend looking at "Death masks" on google images to help understand how the face works. Also looking at a skull might help.

>>4010110
>>4010119
>>4010125
have sex

>>4010135
I must've struck a nerve? He is based on a real Somali guy who asked to be in my cartoon, stop being offended.

>>4010098
literal Soul vs. Soulless

>>3998613
well done, love the newer one
>>3999337
amazing
>>4000719
both are great honestly
>>4003291
good progress, but like the other anon said your values need work, everything is too grey, push your contrast up
>>4003308
i'm jealous of that skill mate
>>4003562
nice, you should start working more with colors
>>4007805
I like your recent stuff but maybe you would improve more if you pushed yourself out of your comfort zone, try rendering or practicing gestures
>>4009202
got a chubby out of me tbqh
>>4009262
pretty good

Hit my 5 year milestone of drawing a few days ago

>>4010123
it's 1 month, anon. Be nicer to yourself. This takes time. If you start out running, you'll wear yourself thin. Learn, draw, learn again and draw again. Over time you'll get better and better

Becoming an artist isn't a race with a set endgoal. The goal constantly grows as you improve. You're running to a finish line that will never exist, so don't be so hard on yourself. I'd recommend starting with something less complex than a human head. We, as humans, tend to be very judgmental of other faces, and can pick out even minute flaws in placement.

give a shot at hands. Complex forms that force you to think in 3d space, but without the extra challenge of overcoming what is, more or less, the uncanny valley

What are some good books to learn more in-depth anatomy from after Hampton? I'm too retarded for Bridgman

>>4010183
Good progress anon!

I recommend Scott Eaton's anatomy for artist course. Lurk some resource sharing threads and you'll find it in there

>>4010183

fuck that is some remarkable talent.

>>4010186
Is there a book? I learn better with books than with video courses

>>4010191
lmao

>>4010179
based wholesome anon

>>4010191
>talent
every time

>>4010217

Look I watch the same people post the same shitty figures every day for three years don't tell me they're all just "doing it wrong" I know it's bullshit.

>>4010183
That latest drawing makes me want to vomit Tbh

Why are all these threads pathetic 'progress' over the span of 5+ years

>>4010221
sorry wrong webm

>>4010123
lol just start figure drawing bro

i'm saddened i don't have any old drawings to compare to.. what i do notice is that even if i might be technically better now i tend to be much lazier and almost never finish anything

>>4010123
Stop doodling little fucking cartoon heads and actually try to draw something that you want to draw. What's your masterpiece that you would draw if you had all the skill in the world? Start working on it now. You will fail, and it will be frustrating, but the problems you encounter from pushing yourself will help you grow.

>>4010098
If you drew OP: Seems to me you were just blindly following /ic/ advice. Those seem like drawn from two different persons. I don't like the soul/soulless meme, but the first one shows passion and a cute cartoony style that I don't see that often. (Reminds me of french comics.)
It's also clear that you just studied from fotos. Life drawing is crucial to understand the human form. Maybe try to incorparate the stuff you have learned into your old style. Now that you know a bit about structure, you can use it to give your old cartoon more form.

How did you get kicked out of art school, btw?

>>4010220
This

>>4010098

Please draw the cute girls again.

>>4010186
Thanks anon, i'll keep an eye out for it.
>>4010220
Why? Is it the color or the linework?

>>4010292
The broken anatomy, the faceless men, the red penises. All around, visually unappealing. It feels like even though you probably wanted the female as the focus, the male bodies, as disgusting as they are, have most of the focus.

>>4010308
I see, thanks for being honest. I did think about cropping the males out but it looked claustrophobic. I'll try harder on my next drawings.

>>4010218
They are though. Standard /ic/ advice is designed to make you fail. Doing the same shitty "exercises" over and over again, holding yourself to no standard and making no attempt to analyze your mistakes, not allowing yourself to attempt to actually DRAW anything until you've "mastered the fundamentals" (which is never).
In order to make good art, you must first at least TRY to make good art, something /ic/ is averse to. Kids who start drawing early don't know there's a "right" and "wrong" way to do things, so they're not afraid to explore, which is why they improve.

>>4010330

Well yeah I mean I agree with that but most of /ic/ seems to think this is wrong.

>>4010173
some details on the bottom of the lower image that look suspiciously like a photo that wasnt fully painted over

>>4010120
>>4010135
This guy haha. The seethe.

>>4010179
BASED

>>4010183
Really good improvement. I think you should study facial anatomy, or at least branch out and try to study different kinds of faces. You can draw pretty anime girl faces well but the faces of those two men are really iffy looking.

two on the left are start of 2018 I think, two on the right is now.. faces are very hard for me to do

>>4010563
why does she only have one leg

>>4010324
The men have 0 appeal. Try studying Yaoi artists.

>>4010256
I didn't use any refs for the drawings, if that's what you mean, just construction from my heada

2bh, I really dislike that old "style", and I'm not interested in drawing that type of stuff anymore! I don't see how the left drawing has "soul", it just looks stiff and poorly drawn to me. In any case, I'm not looking to develop a style at the moment, just trying master the fundies to a satisfactory level, basically so I'm able to draw solid things and people from any possible angle, then study composition and color.

Btw, I think I was trying to imitate the style of the Wakfu series at the time, which is French if I remember correctly, so nice catch there!

>How did you get kicked out of art school, btw?
I got kicked out for not attending the classes for long periods of time. I was really depressed at the time and I got into all kinds of trouble. It was an art high school (normal subjects + drawing, painting, sculpture, design, history of art, and even metalworks; it was pretty intense), kids from there usually went on to study at art academies

>>4010275
No :^)

same character, ~10 months difference

Will I ever get better, no. Will I try to get better, probably never. Depression is a disease and there is no cure.

>>4010266
>lines got less clean
nani?

>>4010220
lol fucking same atleast its actual progression

>>4010685
tumblr dot com

>>4010221
Post your progress

>>4010098
I’m a sucker for wasting time on these threads

no excuses, maximum effort

Idk if it's a great comparison
July was done with references while October was done without

>>4010098

>>4010806
I like your progress, fwiw.

>>4010330
can you show sample of you work or sketch?
I'm not trying to be edgy, it is just easier to trust advice of some one who you clearly see is good.

I doing the same exercises again and again as you said, and i'm a perfectionist, so there is no end of boxes for me unless i change something i think..

>>4010806
Blog? I like the girl.

>>4010893
>I doing the same exercises again and again as you said, and i'm a perfectionist, so there is no end of boxes for me unless i change something i think..
Not Op, but grinding boxes shouldn't be something you stick with for a long time. While some grinding can be good, as it can held solidify new concepts in your mind and help you absorb new info, it shouldn't be all you do. And you especially shouldn't grind something as basic as boxes endlessly.
Learning how to make a completed "good" piece is something that takes more than just grinding fundies, because you have to combine knowledge of composition, color, line, shape, shading, rendering, and etc. all into one piece. Completed pieces are where you practice synthesizing the knowledge you gained through your studies, and is a skill in and of itself. Like anon said, to make good art you have to TRY to make good art.
>>4009581 Here is my last thing I posted to /ic/. I still have a long ways to go myself, but I've found that trying to be more ambitious with my works has helped me improve a lot, and I hope it can help you too, anon.

>>4010788
blog?

>>4010098

>>4010927
this is gold advice

>>4010927
This. Also copy and learn from your favorite artists. Not on your finished personal pieces of course, but analyze what they do to make an appealing composition. If you want to learn how to draw a battle mech at a certain angle, study your favorite artists who draw that sort of thing.

I guarantee most of the artists you look up to gathered their styles from a library of sources.

>>4010893
>it is just easier to trust advice of some one who you can clearly see is good.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm still really bad. This is a wip of a copy I'm doing of a drawing from an anatomy book, that's the best I have to show right now.
I don't see what you have to lose by trying out my advice though. I've seen the biggest gains since I started thinking the way I described, so why don't you try it for a little bit and see what happens?

demon thot vol.II

>>4011094
This is giving me more inspiration to improve. Good shit.

>>4011094
What advice would you give to someone else trying to perfect his shitty waifu OC?

>>4011106
thanks bruh glad to hear it
>>4011111
>checked
vilppu's form feeling black-magic gesture drawing technique helped me a lot, after i spent basically the whole summer (was in school back then) drawing nude references. also recently i began autistically screenshoting nips' drawings on twitter and replicating the parts that i thought were interesting

>>4010927
>>4011032
>>4011053
Sorry, not him, but grinding out the exercises shouldn't be the forefront of your practice but trying to apply it all and learn from your favorite artists? I'm still beginner and am having trouble with head and body proportions, instead of trying to grind them out I should look at what my favorite artists are doing and try to roll with that?

>>4011123
Thanks for the advice. Sounds like a plan.

>>4011124
Ideally, you should be doing all three.
You should grind out exercises and study from photos/reality to gain an idea of how the object works in reality, so you can get a strong sense of fundamentals.
You should study from artists you like so you can get an idea of how the object you want to draw can be exaggerated and abstracted.
And lastly, you should study by applying the knowledge you gained from your other studies to create your own works. This helps you solidify your understanding, and lets you develop your own style as well.
If you're a beginner, I'd recommend still doing head/body studies from your Loomis/Hampton/whatever. It never hurts to brush up on your fundies, especially when you're starting out. But concurrent to those academic studies, you should try using those techniques to try and draw the things you want to draw. Try using the anatomical techniques you learned from the books to draw your waifu/oc. Examine how your favorite artist used the same principles you learned in your books in their work, and try to copy how they did it. Approaching the knowledge from several different angles can help you improve faster and gain a stronger understanding.

>>4010129
Meanwhile it's open season on ridiculing/bashing/discriminating/ stereotyping white people (especially males). Adverticers and big media corps does it all the time. Grow some balls dude and stop being such a raging crybaby.

>>4010266
very nice anon

>>4011137
>it's open season on ridiculing/bashing/discriminating/ stereotyping white people (especially males)
>Grow some balls dude and stop being such a raging crybaby.

Drawing with 3 TBI's and constantly forgetting shit is suffering.

>>4010584
Bandit's bullet.

>>4010359
imagine thinking you have to paint over all the photo parts

>>4011026
kek

I didn't begin taking my progression seriously till 2 or 3 years ago, pls be gentle

>>4011094
nice, anon. i think i'll take a look at vilppu later today

>>4011771
>135kg
You were making a fat fetish comic all along Sugoi?

>>4011778
i want to draw her as a bit thick, but not overweight. whats the crop for?

>>4011026
Delet

>>4011782
135kg is like 300lbs

>>4011782
That's heavier than a off season Mr Olympia

>>4010582
could someone critique this? I'd be grateful

>>4010582
Don’t give up, you need more mileage. Just keep drawing what you like and putting pen on paper. Speaking of which, draw with pen, there is no undo, and you will choose your lines more carefully.

Start with a thicker pen, like a pilot fine liner as opposed to a Sakura micron or a brush pen.

>>4011812
>>4011802
i-

that's the paperweight, anon

>>4011896
thank you anon, you told me what I needed to hear. will follow your advice, cheers!!

>>4011778
>>4011802
>>4011812
>>4011900
Fucking kek, /ic/'s brainletism at full force

So when the Fuck do I stop second guessing ever single line I put down?

>>4011900
A pretty heavy paper If you ask me

>>4011918
Just be confident bro

>>4011930

>>4011918
if it works, son, don't fix it

>>4010183
Anatomy for Sculptors. You can find its PDF easily with a google search

>>4011926
Paper is measured in pounds per 500 sheets, or a "ream". So 135kg(300lbs) is what 500 sheets of this paper im using would weigh. It's a decent thickness so inks don't bleed through.

For comparison, standard printer paper is labeled as "20lb bond". Bond being the type of paper stock. Depending on where you look region-wise, printer paper may also be listed as "80gsm". Kind of the same thing. Kind of not. It can get pretty complicated.

There are entire college courses you can take on this subject alone, so I don't blame you for being confused. Luckily you won't ever have to worry about it unless you're ordering prints or books.

>>4011987
i feel like such a fucking idiot when i get to the part of the order forms that ask me if i want #25 letter, or #50 text, or #20 cover. there are almost never any guides available on the same page, either. no references or tips. i have to look it up myself. 2 hours of reading later i just give the fuck up.

whatever. i'll just slap some fucking paper in my printer and set her to go. fuck this bullshit. i feel so stupid.

lol most of the progress is like
>the past: starting out ok
>now: PORN
pls

>>4011918
Maybe Peter Han's exercises can help. If not, then keep trying to get more confident lines anyway (practice with a pen or something so you can't erase or ctrl + z it; you'll fuck up a lot but it's good exercise) and it should eventually click for you. Won't happen overnight, but you got to meet that goal halfway.

>>4011137
wait a minute...

>>4010123
1 month is nothing anon you can't expect any gains from that. what matters most is you kept drawing and didnt give up so congrats

>>4011771
Nice linework, blog?

>>4010183
>that left one
Did you steal my artwork anon? Man, it's just so similar except I'm not right.

>>4012139
All beginners tend to have a homogeneous style

>>4010179
Thanks based Zyzz poster.

>>4010224
lol I'll get right on it bro

>>4010134
>Think bigger?
?

>>4010138
'when in doubt, skull it out'

Will do man.

>>4010233
little web comic to tell stories, bring characters to life and to escape from reality.

Gonna scaleback on drawingh heads and focus on actually drawing a person for a bit.

>>4012045
Thanks my man, just gotta keep at it.

>>4011771
The 2018 one is great.

I never really post my art online much. I probably should but I'm lazy

Not nearly where I wanna be but I'm actually starting to feel like I might get there eventually.

Also hands I know I'm gonna work on it.

>>4012139
I'm pretty sure those are figures from the hampton book that he copied

How old can we go?

Also never take a year and a half break off of art completely /ic/, worst mistake I've ever made.

I have never uploaded here before.
I expect to get brutally roasted but i can atleast say that no one hates my art more than me

>>4012161
assuming you intended the new drawing to be sexually appealing, get rid of the big nose, it's too goofy looking and a turn off. Most good cartoon porn artists draw small or non existent noses.

Decent progress otherwise, assuming you didn't take a long time to get to where you are.

>>4012347
Some people just like big cartoony noses, anon.

>>4012347
I think these look fine

>>4012358
My criticism was meant assuming that he was trying to go for broad general appeal, and people (generally) don't find big noses on women attractive. That being said, sure you got people with different tastes so if you are into big noses then you do you I guess.

>>4010173
gmi

>>4010098
Too lazy to combine both so ill just post twice.
This is from 2018.

>>4012523
And this is from this week.

2006-2019

I've plateau'd for years now, though.

>>4010115
>figure out what's wrong
see >>4010110 this
You lost your soul, it will be hard to recover it...you can always work for calarts

>>4012588

i'm starting to feel like figure drawing is the way to actually make it

>>4012791
You need a healthy schedule and actually doing learning / practicing on the side, otherwise you'll end like people here with 5-10 years & tiny progress.

feel like i've become comfortable & am inspired all the time now
also, purchasing csp was the best decision i've made this year.

/ic/ should sticky a link to the wikipedia page on survivorship bias, maybe then there wouldn't so many naive idealists who fell for shitposters lies. /ic/ also has a chronic tendencies to misinterpret how talent works, they seem to think that because it takes thousands of hours of work to get good at something, then it must ONLY take thousands of hours, and that anybody could be a great artist if they just put the time in. The truth is there are plenty of people who would still be shit after ten thousand hours spent drawing. Almost none of them will go that far though, because despite being bad at drawing, they aren't braindead, if you put 500 hours into practicing something and aren't noticeably better than you were after 100 hours, than you probably would and should give up, because zero improvement multiplied across 10,000 hours of practice is still zero improvement.

>>4012960
ultimately anon, art is subjective.

>>4010098
soul -> soulless
The right looks like a weird amalgamation of /beg/ fundies. You're trying too hard to fit in the /ic/ mold anon. Aim higher. Don't try to be another ngmi artist here doing endless construction and gesture studies.
>>4010631
>I'm not looking to develop a style at the moment
>fundies to a satisfactory level
That's a mistake. Go look at art you really like and try to emulate them pronto. Otherwise you will be stuck with your generic /beg/ tier study look.

>>4012524
The bottom panel is decent. But the top panel is pretty bad. The lady sitting down on the chair looks very flat and boring. The chair is so straight on the camera that you can only see the 2 chair legs. And her leg is Straight on the camera while her right leg crossed over but instead of being on an angle it's flat, giving off an natural pose.

The right panel is also hard to read. It's someone laughing but what's the dark ink on the left side of the face? Is it supposed to be something because I can't quite make it out.

>>4012588
At least you're on a fappable plateau.

>>4012977
Not them, and I have nothing to say in regard to your advice and would tend to agree with it, but I'm beg myself.
What's your level? Post some work you did? Otherwise you might as well be a beg yourself and just projecting right now.

>>4012977
>weird amalgamation of /beg/ fundies
I really have no idea what that means exactly (what's wrong with learning fundamentals, lmao), and it doesn't help me with what I'm trying to do. I found this board about a week ago, and I'm already starting to think it was a mistake, lol, people just want to argue about their favorite methods of learning instead of actually learning

I'll stick with Loomis until I master the things to my own satisfaction, that's my plan. I know I won't be stuck, because I'm learning new things every week, not staying in my comfort zone, and it's already working, so don't worry about that senpai. I don't care about producing polished turds at this stage just so /ic/ can see a "soul" in them, lmao. What the fuug does that even mean, and why would you require that from someone who's just trying to figure out the anatomy :DDDD

Was it the comparison that triggered people? (Going from weeb shit to something more realistic, and marking that as improvement, lol, I should've anticipated the reaction)

>>4012960
Hours practicing isn't the only factor you know. Someone bring up that guy who mindlessly practiced for years and never got better. You have to actually try to learn too.

>>4012978
I wanted to do better with the lady in the chair but I didn't want to miss deadline, So I tried to do a stylized choice but I guess I didn't pull it off. I get it right next page tho.

No

Different characters but it was similar problems I tried tackling

>>4010183
I'm not saying you didn't make a lot of progress, but I don't feel these drawings are comparable at all, so we can't rly gauge progress. In the first one there's no colours or anything for that matter, so we can't see how you've improved at the stuff left out.

>>4010563
I like the perspective more in the original, it makes her look rly intimidating. Overall the progress is good tho, especially the colours that rly add to the spooky mood. If only the camera got the memo.

>>4012088
nsockfw on twitter
i dont have much to post recently though. most of my time is going towards getting this comic out

I feel like im holding myself back doing the same kind of drawings with no focus in mind on what im trying to accomplish

>>4013352
start figure drawing already. just go to a museum and draw some statues.

I haven't gone far it seems.

>>4013386
Fuck, forgot to add time marks.
Left - December 23, 2017.
Right - July 2, 2019.

>>4013364
(I'm not him.) Figure drawing only helps you get a sense of what the overall body looks like. You don't have to do 3dpd figure drawing if your goal is to draw anime.

It's like parroting you have to draw flower pots from life to learn how to draw. The advice in itself isn't bad per se, but people recommending to do so don't even understand themselves just "why" it's "a good thing".
You're exactly the same right now. You did figure drawing yourself for a while and noticed progress, so you associated "figure drawing" with the "solution to improve and get out of /beg/". Basic projection which most of /ic/ does, and this is why actual good advice is hard to get from artists who aren't introspective enough.

>>4013396
Not the person you're replying to, but figure drawing really can do you a lot of good, even if your goal is to draw stylized anime works. If you're at the stage where most of what you do are headshots/busts, it helps you expel your fears of drawing the whole body. Plus when done in tandem with a book on constructio like Hampton you can see really fast gains on understanding the form and the anatomy of the human body. You could theoretically learn these things without IRL reference, but studying from photos and life can really accelerate things. Figure drawing is simply the fastest way to learn how to draw the body, which is what >>4013352 needs the most i m h o.

>>4013396
Still better off figure drawing to improve your understanding of the human body and implement it to draw "anime".

And like >>4013352 said "doing the same kind of drawings with no focus in mind on what im trying to accomplish"
It opens up a whole library on how to pose/present your characters and what body language you want them to portray (without having to keep looking at other anime artists for reference). Figure drawing alone helps with the majority of the issues when it comes to drawing anime characters.

>>4013396
>You don't have to do 3dpd figure drawing if your goal is to draw anime.
yes you do? what??? are you retarded?

>>4013288
Yeah, I hear you about the perspective. Whenever I do a redraw of the redraw, I'll definitely keep that in mind. Thanks, anon!

>>4013521
Don't mind him, he's just coping with his own inability to follow Loomis, it's very tragic

>>4013614
>following Loomis in 2019
There are vastly superior construction methods out there.

>>4013776
>construction methods
>being unable to grasp the concept of feeling the form
loomisfags are too brainlet for art

>>4012939
I really dig the second one.

>>4011171
best ITT

>>4013776
>still thinking you're supposed to follow one "construction" method unless its Reilly
just lol

>>4013776
>>4013866
The basics of drawing don't change.

April 2018- June 2019

>>4014928
i dont like bein neg but i hate this


>nose
>legs
>design

>>4014961
I'm always looking to improve. I much rather hear some criticism than constant praise.

>>4013396
>not understanding the purpose of figure drawing the post

>>4014986
That's why I love /ic/
Stings a bit when the art you make can get attacked. But family and friends are never any help...

>wow anon, getting good!
>I like it!
>nice
These things don't make us better artist imo

>>4014989
Don't pretend like you do either.

Guess how many of your favorite artists started off by drawing nude figures?
Zero.
They all had hundreds, if not thousands of hours of practice before they started "learning the fundamentals". And most of that practice was probably just copying comic/anime/game art they liked.

>>4015135
Okay?

>>4010222
what game is this

>>4014928
>>4014986
Don't take what the other anon said too hard, even if it's not perfect you've definitely improved a lot from your before. Since you seem open to critique I painted over some things that looked off to me. If you'd like me to explain the changes that I made more in-depth I can, but generally: the figure is too curved in perspective (feels unbalanced), the anatomy of the nose and jaw aren't quite right especially if you're going for an anime type aesthetic, the insertion of the bicep muscle is too low, and the position of his right arm is unclear as drawn.

>>4014928
>>4014986
Don't take what the other anon said too hard, even if it's not perfect you've definitely improved a lot from your before. Since you seem open to critique I painted over some things that looked off to me. If you'd like me to explain the changes that I made more in-depth I can, but generally: the figure is too curved in perspective (feels unbalanced), the anatomy of the nose and jaw aren't quite right especially if you're going for an anime type aesthetic, the insertion of the bicep muscle is too low, and the position of his right arm is unclear as drawn.

>>4010222
Check'd, this looks fucking awesome

>>4015328
Really solid improvement, friend. I think after this should spend some time studying fabric and folds, and try doing some more dynamic poses.

>>4015217
Oh damn, I'm super grateful for this!! Being self taught, I hardly ever get feedback. 10/10 critique

>>4012588
gib blog please

>>4010098
How did I ever look at my art in pride in 2017? That shit looked awful...

>>4014926
actually being a talentless fag doesnt change either

>>4015621
Anon, I...

>>4015633
Yes?

April 6/19

>>4016013
July 13th/19

>>4015621
what do you think of your art now?

>>4010123
Dude there’s some real noticeable improvement there don’t be hard on yourself.

>>4016013
>>4016014
Oh no

>>4016093
Right anything else to say? I've gotten shit on by so many crabs that really you can say more than this.

>>4016099
find another hobby

>>4016271
You know saying this just makes me want to draw more ngl.

>>4016014
HAHAHAHA dat face
you can tell it's the only thing this guy drew from imagination and it is utter shit lel

During 2014 to 2016 I didn't draw anything at all. I drew the pic from 2014 to try my first pen tablet. I was a hobby 3D modeller and I used PS to make texture. But the drawing looked horrible and I quit it soon. In 2016, I was so bored that I started drawing but analog doodling only. This time I continued drawing for a year till I'was sure I could call myself a beginner level. Since 2017 I used digital tools and started visiting /ic. I glanced Loomis etc but mainly copied photo references. These guitar pedals are my own modelling. I once post on /ic the first pic as my work from 2017 but I was wrong. It's dated as from 2014 but I drew nothing digitally but this pic before 2017.

>>4016354
Pyw

>>4016354
Lmfao the better I get the more people want to tear me down. You ngmi retards make me lmfao.

>>4016057
I wouldn't say it's amazing, hut I would say it's certainly a great improvement

>>4013257
Very good progress!

picked these 2 as they are very similar

next time I will upload something more recent as I have limited access atm

>>4012199
If you decide to upload somewhere, upload on deviantart. You'll be right at home

Practice Loomis. Nothing more can be said

>>4013257
What did you practice? That's some big improvement.

I frankly don't know what I am doing. The previous thread I was told it didn't look like I was taking fundies seriously.

>>4016553
The stool's legs are fucking weird. It looks like you're making solid improvements in general but your lack of attention to gesture is really showing through. Break out of your comfort zone anon!

>>4016553
your previous work looks decent. but why is your fundies so fucked up?

>>4011910
Sometimes I couldn't tell if people just playing or they don't actually know what how paper count its thickness.

>>4016669
Yeah, I've begun reading Vilppu and trying to apply what he says about gesture. Also I freehanded the stool's legs so that might be why I fucked them up.

>>4016710
Which ones look decent?
Also, I guess my fundie-fu is not as strong as it should be. I freely admit that.

>>4010123
I've seen you around for quite a while now, I gotta say, your faces are both satisfying and dissatisfying at the same time, I like the way you construct for a beginner
you need to stop letting the whites under the pupil show, they're too large, and your noses are too long. a good note of thumb is the circle method (pic related, pretend my drawing isn't so shitty, I'm using my spare tablet, the cheapest tablet I could get)
the eyes will be one eye apart, the nose will be one eye down from the middle eye circle, the mouth will be half a circle down from that and so on, better understood by looking at the pic
also, I've only ever seen you draw faces, have you tried drawing something else?

oh fug i need to update this.

chicken scratches will never go away

>>4015154
fight crab

>>4017662
Damn, so posting the webm itself is performative. Thanks
>>4012939
I like your linework. Do you have a blog / can you share some things have have influenced it? I want to study your/their work.

>>4017620
Anything beside boxes?

>>4017649
Just wondering. Did you ever post traditional drawings on /beg/?

>>4011026
gold!

I didn't have anything beyond a year old on my tablet so I ripped an image from my mostly dead dA and did a ~30-ish minute sketch of my old character to contrast.

>>4017620
Lovely boxes, my man. If you keep that pace, it might only be one or two years before you can move on to cylinders!

>>4017739
>he thinks you are allowed to draw anything else before mastering boxes
N G M I

>>4017693
for that one, main influences:
@_yabeeyo on twitter, tetsuya chiba, takemiya keiko, riyoko ikeda

>>4017846
Kek

>>4017508
>I gotta say, your faces are both satisfying and dissatisfying at the same time
Tell me about it. I'm happy that I think I'm getting better but dissapointed that I'm still way off.

>I like the way you construct for a beginner
I'm honestly not sure if how I"m going about it is a dead end or not. Loomi's circle method didn't exactly click for me because I would spend 10 minutes trying to turn my lopsided oval into a perfect sphere. I picked up a 'can' method from hampton I think and sort of combined them I think. Still working it out.

>letting the whites under the pupil show, they're too large
Yeah it's a problem I have. I'm always surprised by my refs at how small the eyes and the whites are and just how much space the iris takes up.

>and your noses are too long
Yeah for whatever reason I thought the center of the bulb was meant to be placed on the dividing line.

> I've only ever seen you draw faces, have you tried drawing something else?
Not since I started trying to learn seriously. I've been trying to push myself to try gesture but I've sort of carved myself into a comfortable spot with grinding out heads.


Thanks for your feedback and advice my man.

>pic related
still don't know how I fucked up the eyes so badly. I feel that the right eye is too big but can't help but feel the size is nicer than the left.

>>4018023
>didappointed that I'm still way off
Bro. You posted a month's worth of progress. Learning to draw takes years. Like, 4 to 5 years. Did you think this was gonna happen overnight?

>>4017845
very dynamic

>>4012161
pretty good progress! i actually disagree with the othe anon and really like the facial structure you went with as it feels fresh. however keep in mind that i do see his point and the style you chose may be slightly off puting to some

>>4012215
you are getting there. i must say the recent work on the upper righthand corner needs abit of anatomical work but the lower righthand looks much better. do keep practicing!

>>4012288
love the attention to detail. great progress too, keep it up friend!

>>4012315
it has potential so keep doing your best! i expect to see even more improvements by next year, keep it up!

>>4013231
try to do a full drawing and test those skills to the limit! as of right now it looks like chicken scratch even with the improvements you made. it seem as if you are unconfident in your skill and you shouldnt be. keep it up though, you are improving!

>>4018081
You should focus on copy your reference.

1

2
>inb4 downhill since 2017

>>4018424
>>4018423
Your stuff is cute but I think you need to push yourself more, friend. Draw backgrounds, draw dynamic poses, draw multiple characters interacting. I feel the biggest thing constraining you is the fact you only seem to draw busts of anime girls. Show us an anime girl in an environment, or an anime girl hanging out with her friends. I feel if you try to shoot higher with your work and challenge yourself more you'll improve a lot faster.

>>4018447
pretty much desu. I've been making a lot of slow and steady progress on the body getting ready up for that - im almost done. Literally the next thing i'll be practicing.

Although I never planned on doing multiple characters interacting or backgrounds. Might be worth a try anyways, even if I don't plan on doing it often. Just to know how to fit a character at the correct size in a background, and how to place them ideally without after the fact adjustments.

>>4018424
>that wendy
oh hey you're the guy that gave me coloring tips back in january in a moe girls thread, really nice stuff man

>>4018622
oh danks. did it actually help at all?

>>4018663
yeah, i'm >>4010183
I remember i posted pic related asking for help with coloring, and you gave me tips about using gradients on the hair going from light to dark(which i still use in most of my drawings), using a different hue of blue for the shadows, blending with water some hard edges and probably a few more

>>4010123
its only a month you pansy, chill out

>>4018709
ye i remember you. well that's good to know

While seeing this thread, I thought I would try to find my old drawings to compare to how I am now. I realized 4-5 years ago I was very bad. (I'm still very bad, but I noticed a slight difference still) and my folders on my Passport external hard drive I have tons of images unorganized. So I'm trying to delete some trash drawings that I made and the rest I think I'll try to redraw them digitally later, but what I've been doing is starting to re-organized my folders and files because it's a huge mess.. So I have a question to you all, how do you organize a fan art image of let's say 'Black Cat' spiderman but drawn by a Japanese artist? (Pic related for my example)

>>4010098

>>4011061 here again, I finished that drawing so I wanted to post my progress. Left one is a skull I attempted to do at the very beginning of this year.

>>4019379
I'm digging all of this a lot. Would love to see you keep refining your skills and see what you could do on a bigger project.

>>4018617
Do like but muscularity seems a bit off, like in the belly area. Deltoid insertion into the arm is on the opposite side of the arm.

>>4010173
Wtf nile, you started before me?

could be better, could be worse

3ish day progress
Haven't drawn since

>>4019577
You can't make progress in 3 days, you can just draw better or worse on one day or another.

>>4019998
>You can't make progress in 3 days, you can just draw better or worse on one day or another.
the absolute state of /ic/

>>4019998
What kind of idiot logic is this? Imagine how much work and practice you can get done if you focus. If you draw for 5 hours a day, you should at least be improving in some way after 15 hours of practicing.

>>4019998

You don't notice the progress you make in three days because your actual quality perception doesn't improve fast enough to register the tiny mistakes you're correcting and the ones still there. You should progress on something on every piece.

>>4010221
Because most people never really get serious about their art, even people who "like to draw" just dabble on and off for years and thus make the amount of progress you would expect from that.

>>4010098
2015-2018

>>4019562
Your new lighting is a poo.

>>4020359
Damn dude, this is legit.

>>4019379
soul

>>4020576
care to elaborate on that

>>4020609
Oh nvm, you organized them weirdly, your old lighting was poo. But the composition is much better in the old piece.

>>4019379
blog? your art is really cool.

>>4010173
in terms of concept, the 2015 one is way cooler. has mystery and intrigue. the bottom one is just some ships flying.

nice job though

every once in a while ill redraw one of my drawings from when i first started and today it was this one. not happy with the figures on the newest one and the perspective is kind of off but for what its worth i think it looks ok. also what is ruler.

advice welcome except telling me to use a ruler because i know that

inb4 not enough improvement for 8 years
mental illness is a bitch.

>>4020724
2013 looks like komisan

>>4020724
also fuck rulers. I never use rulers, you can just draw straight

>>4012161
ok brother, im not going to lie to you, your figure skills are really good, I would even pay for your art, good bucks.

>>4020359
It took you this fucking long to properly study photos? Is this a joke?

>8 years to do that small progress

>>4021592
Im sorry crab ill draw your stupid loli later

>>4021645
damn that shit hurted man...

>>4021661
feels bad man. if it makes you feel any better it took me like 8 years too.

>>4019379
Dude your stuff is p cool, but the stuff on the left(old) I find more interesting because of the colours chosen, like the twilight illuminating the background, bright red making the girl pop out, or the building lights creeping out from the buildings.

That being said, your environments seem a lot cooler. I'm digging the countryside and city backgrounds.

I remember working on the 2005 painting for many hours and being super proud of it. Lol... The newer one is just a Procreate sketch from a couple of months ago. I didn't really draw between 2009-2014. I didn't know that you could get a job doing any of this shit until I hit my mid 20's.

Used these images because they're relatively close in terms of subject matter.

>>4021081
Ngmi

>>4021658
idk I think his point is that photo studies are mainly just impressive to normies. Your true skill lies in what you can do from imagination. Still really good work though, not trying to knock it.

did I improve anons?

>>4010098
damn these kind of threads kill my motivation, its sad to see ppl spend 5-10 years with mediocre improvement and i fear that it will happen to me too

>>4021996
imaginative work is just working from multiple reference if he can copy from one ref he probably can copy from many

>>4021697
i honestly don’t mind that much. i know i only started seriously practicing around 2014 when i was 15, lost p much all of 2016-2017 to depression, and only really got back into art late last year. obviously i could’ve improved much more but i just didn’t have the time or energy. i’m more serious about it now though, been starting to sell my art (actual finished ones) for pretty good prices and am going to a great art school in fall. things aren’t looking so bad. (not to mention some people only start at my age now or simply learn slowly... when we’re all 50 the few years won’t make a difference anyway)

>>4022008

I really recommend you go back and study things from life and/or photographs for a while. I can see a lot of improvement between 2017 and 2018 but I feel like you've fallen in love with your "style" which has become a huge crutch for you and it's probably preventing you from leveling up.

The way you use crosshatching with pillow shading re-he-heally isn't working. If you want to keep having line art with soft shading I recommend looking up artist, Djamila Knopf (pic related). She really knows how to make this style work. She also came from a stylized/anime background but she broadened her skillset and it really shows. You should also look at some of Six More Vodka's work on their project "Orken". It also has some pretty appealing, sketchy line work with some interesting shading techniques (even though the subject matter isn't close to what you're doing.

Anyways, try looking at other rendering techniques as well. You might find something you enjoy even more than what you're doing now!

>>4022058

You got the right attitude, my man. I think anybody could get pretty good in ~5 years if they study with proper intent. I feel like a lot of people here fall into the trap of "This is muh style" when they shouldn't even be focusing on style yet and end up wasting years of their time.

>>4022008
If this isn't bait, I'll be very honest here. You did not improve, pretty much at all. And I can tell you neglected any and all studies. You have to go back to the very beginning and start doing still life drawings in greyscale.

>>4022109
definitely someone could be 15, consciously decide they will study properly from now on and be at a pro level by 20. but for many people who just grew up drawing cartoons or something it takes a while to realize you even have to study your fundamentals, and getting a good study schedule takes time. in the end art isnt a race and you dont need to be a certain skill level at a certain age.

>>4022344

Agreed. I'll admit that I'm also >>4021839 and my first painting from 2005 was done when I was 16 years old. I'll absolutely admit that I wouldn't have had the mental capacity or patience to study anything seriously back then. I couldn't even really take any critique for fuck's sake! In my defense, there wasn't much educational content floating around back then. YouTube wasn't even a thing. I'm so fucking old...

I've only been taking this shit semi-seriously for ~4 years now (also doing 3D and sculpting on the side and shitty jobs) and I feel like I'm just now starting to figure out how to study things efficiently.

I think that being "gifted" in art mostly means that you have the patience to sit down and do the work and also have the disposition to look at your work for what it is instead of what you want it to be. 2 years of focused work can be worth more than 7 years of doing the same shit and expecting different results.

I'm still fucking shit for how long I've been studying but at least I got some shitty freelance work to support my bald, graying, fat existence. Meh.

>>4022058
art school is going to ruin you.
First year: Cull the weak (force /beg/ out by making them do shit they dont like, the rest who survives get to stay).
After that it's just a lot of exploring and diluted methods to draw (depends on your major). I learn a lot as I'm in one, dont buy shit they tell you to buy. Buy it only when they tell you "next class we gonna use this and that etc.) Most time you buy shit materials and they dont even use it in the class. Fucking retarded teachers.

>>4022373
i dont think so. the hardest process was getting through the portfolio reviews and entrance exam (begs wouldn’t have passed those in the first place). i know people who study there, and it’s very hard to get anything worse than a C in any course. it’s also not a traditional fine arts degree, but a modular design/arts course that basically lets you freely choose from a variety of courses from illustration to pottery. i’ve been to the school many times and have taken some courses there. it’s a very free and creative environment. i’m not very worried.

>>4022008
I'm not sure if this is a fair comparison, could you post a full body drawing from this year? I don't wanna jump into conclusions.

>>4022391
>the hardest process was getting through the portfolio reviews and entrance exam
oh have I got a story to tell you.
This kid I used to roommate with for the dorm never fucking draws he's a full time neet who plays LoL for the whole semester before dropping out.
(Despite me constantly have to help him get up for class everyday, until I just say fuck it and gave up hope for him).
Whats anger me is that he showed me his portfolio and it was absolute hot fucking garbage, however he got in.
Next summer: Two of my friends whom I trust would make it into the school, was denied, I checked their portfolio and they are clearly better than the neet.

I didn't think about it until I connect the dots: I'm living in a blue state. You see my school was full of these trannies who cant draw for their life (I would say some /beg/ here are better than them in term of skill). The NEET was Korean and my two friends were white male. I don't want to get some conspiracy going but thats the only reason I can see why they accept some loser who thinks art is easy rather than two determined artists (They did say they have toughen up the acceptance rate durinmg the school year however, not sure what though).

>it’s very hard to get anything worse than a C in any course
Yes I agree with this. As long as you do the work, you will pass, it's very simple. One can probably bullshit their way through 4 entire years if they wanted to.
I have seen that happened, it made my blood boils.

>>4022412
Also my friend checked the reviews for the school. Apparently some people were saying the school "Does not have enough diversity", and something like "Too many white dominant artists".

Many negative reviews with those as the topics. I'm sure the school sees that and begin to try to convert students into some melting pot. It's true, Colleges would do absolutely anything for your money.

>>4022412
well, i don’t live in america for a start so i don’t know what your state being democrat(?) has anything to do with an art school application process. the school i’ll be attending is also tuition-free as is the norm in my country so it’s not like i’ll be going into debt for it. relax.

>>4010098
Why does it take ppl here more than 10 years to get slightly better ? Are they supposed to make it in their 60s ?

>>4022423
based europeanposter BTFOing americans

>>4022423
Do you.... live in Denmark?

>>4022423
well i hope you dont get a job here. it aint lookin good from this side of the world. EU probably has its own problem though.

>>4022456
germany. i get that art school has a bad rep in the states because of the sheer costs but if it’s free there’s nothing to lose. also networking.

pic related my lazy 5min redraw of a childhood OC because i’ve been derailing too much already.

>>4022456
I live in Poland and I also got my shitty art degree for free
>>4022475
Good luck Anon remember not to slack off in college, even if the course allows you to.

>>4022428
because they are just drawing instead of learning the fundamentals so it take x10 longer

>>4022468

I'm not the person you're commenting to but I can tell you how things work here in Finland:

Higher education is free and you even get some study allowance and a student loan from the government, if you want to take it, so you only need a part-time job or a little cash from mommy and daddy and you can go to school and live relatively comfortably.

The shitty part IMHO is that we don't really have any proper fucking art schools up here. They're all focused on this artsy-fartsy bullshit that'll never get you jobs or clients who might buy your art. "Draw your soul"- type of bullshit and they actually scoff at anything that isn't an installation of your inner suffering done from beer bottles or your period blood. I have many friends who graduated from the most well-known art school in Finland and neither of them is a working artist atm. Of course, there are many exceptions and anecdotal evidence is meh but this is the vibe I've been getting. Your best bet here is to get into an art school and just abuse the free materials and focus on getting better on your own.

Oh and there are no schools focused on entertainment design which fucking sucks!

>>4022514
Thanks for the info, anon

I noticed that. I know an artist who lives in France, he said that school is free there but they're just kinda watered down to the thing you said. There are some school here like Yale (big meme) that's probably doing the same thing over here. Apparently highschool there is college here.
I might move to EU later in life for some free education (If I have some build up mones).

We have to buy everything ourselves here in NA so it sucks. But there's more commercial and entertainment classes here (film, acting, commercial, VFX, animation etc.) if you want to come over and burn some money.

Over here you will see bullshit teachers 75% of the time. I only have 4 or 5 good classes (out of like 20) where I have good experience learning with. The rest are just some bullshit learning new "methods" or required classes like history and math shit (I have to take a social study class in the future, kek)

They teach you alot about tech/ art programs if you go to the right major though.

Good luck in Finland, anon

>>4022395
Here's as close to a finished full body that I've done digitally this year.
>>4022333
That's fair, I dont think I've even done a study for about 2 years, I've just been riding on the compliments I get from my friends. I know its not the best mentality but I dont think I could push myself to doing still life studies, I mostly do art for fun although it's beginning to look like my only career option lies in art.

>>4022681
with art like this, it is not a career option. sorry.

>>4022757
must be hard to type with pincers

>>4022681
anon if you think this is a career choice you need to make up your mind right now. If yes draw more and improve from where you are rn, if no just do it for shit n giggles.

>>4022681
>my only career option lies in art
Uh. I mean I think a lot of people are capable of getting to pro level with hard work. But looking at your skill level now, I don't know why you would think "art is my only option".

>>4022762
i dont know how its crabbing. i wasnt mean to them but i was telling them the truth. if they cant accept it, its on them.

"i dont think i could push myself to do still life studies" is an absolutely decisive way to convince me you could never work an art job

so is there really no way to make it in 5 years ? seems everyone is barely improving

>>4022681
>>4022757 is being a crab, but if you want to seriously peruse art I think you need to start from square one and start taking things seriously. It can be very disheartening when you've done art for a long time and realize you don't know the basics, but if you keep your chin up and put in the work I'm sure you'll be able to greatly improve your skills and become a lot more confident and capable. I'd recommend cracking open Hampton's figure drawing book and starting to do some figure studies to better understand the human body and how form works. You should also start studying backgrounds and perspective too, as I noticed that was absent from all the art you posted. You should try being more ambitious, all the drawings you posted for improvement were very simple. The fastest way to get better is to push yourself out of your comfort zone and tackle the things you're bad at head-on, so you know exactly what to study and practice for next time.

>>4022773
>i was telling them the truth
No, you were putting them down.

>>4022779
this board has gotten so soft if you think this is crabbing, lol

>>4022784
I think you're just giving awful advice, m8. We all have to come from somewhere, and we all have the potential to rise up and get better. My art was shit too when I first got on /ic/ and it frustrated me so much when all I got was people telling me it sucked without giving me any real advice or direction, but once some kind anon did tell me what to study and how to study I made huge gains.
I just want this board to be a better place for all artists, and telling other people they're hopeless doesn't help.

>>4022799
I'm not him but the guy candidly admitted that he wouldn't be able to do figure studies on a regular basis and only draws for "fun" and compliments, if he REALLY wanted to get better he could have already started studying seriously, if there's one thing this board doesn't lack it's resources

>>4019425
Technically very nicely rendered. I would go through and scrutinize proportions such as bone width. Also, look at your joints compared to some references. Remember that a structure gives a subject structure. Eventually you're going to pull skin over that skull. Look at general facial proportions and compare your drawing to those.

>>4022853
Thanks Anon! Yeah, I know I know a lot of the proportions are fucked, some things are crooked, etc. I still struggle a lot with just getting my drawings to just match the reference in terms of shape/proportion, sometimes I'll get to the end of doing the initial sketch and I'll just see that everything is totally off. So I'm hoping I can do some grinding where I just focus on that problem and maybe clear it up a bit.

>>4018781
I would put her with all the other ecchi sexy girls if you want to seperate that further by anime style you can do that too that way you'd know it's lewd so it's in the lewd folder but it's not porn so it's not in the porn folder and it's too sexy to be cute so it's not in the cute folder

found an old doodle from 6 years ago that I really liked when I did it and doodled up a new version.

>>4015621
Wow

>>4022972
So... where did the shading go?

>>4023285
The shading in the old one was so nonsensical I just scrapped it in the redraw.

Bump

>>4018617
stomach becomes more and more grotesque. study and use more ref.

Here's my progress from 2017 to 2019. left was a weird sketch that I never finished.