/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

i did this while i was drunk and i'm not very good or have practiced a lot, it's meant to be makoto from street fighter being a japanese delinquent

>>4008213
wow, chestooh! haha big feet

>>4008217
yeah the image i was looking at for reference didn't show the feet

It’s the finished version.

this is the last of the loomis heads ill be posting here. ive learned more about the significance of the side plane of the head as well as how it all comes together

posted in the wrong thread - drew this on my phone and would like critique!

>>4008242
Nice! You improved!

>>4008242
Leg is very short, the perspective should make it longer since it's headed into the camera. Youll notice if you look at how large the shoe is in comparison to the lower leg.

>>4008279
You can vastly improve this if you follow the midpoint of the face to draw in the chin. it's off center. the eyes are pointing in different directions, based on the full sized version, her left eye is facing farther right than her left eye.

A deer

>>4008388
It looks like it's even bigger than those green triangles

>>4008355
thank you!! it looks a lot better now! :-)

>>4008405
There ya go, looks much better already! You could work on the lips a bit more too, since it's a front facing perspective you might want to make sure it's equal on both sides of the midline.

>>4008405
Your image is extremely bright which makes id difficult to sense the form, adding more shadows can help this.

>>4008242
You're taking too much on one piece at a time, I think that's not gonna make things easier for you

>>4008205
Someone please tell me how to color and ink, I tried drawing the facial features but too much ink dropped too easily making big dots on face.

>>4008242
You might want to practice individual body part, construct anon. I like the general drawing as a whole, but the hand could use improvement as it looks to be pretty important. You can even look for hand drawings to see how other people do it. But overall you did a good job with the lightning and her face looks really well defined. Though I'm sure from that angle you could start seeing her right ear. Ears are generally at the same level of the nose. It would be covered by hair, but you'd see the lower half/

I'm eating a few hours' worth of coloring tutorials with Color with Kurt's channel. I'm gonna finish my piece today, dammit. To think professional comic artists can do many pages in a single week, the madness.... though that's mostly mangakas, I'm seeing comics have people for the linart, a flatter and then a colorist that only receives the lineart with flat colors and then renders.

So maybe I'm going crazy over nothing, the real world isn't that hard.
Though to do a webcomic you would be indeed all alone.

Anyway I'm back to work now, 5 days on a piece already.

>>4008651
I don't know how to color traditionally anon, but I know you needed to have very well defined values first. It still looks charming though. I'd leave it like that and move on to a new piece, it looks pretty and trying to add shadows and lightning on the fly might ruin it.


Again I don't know how to handle the brushes so I can't help with ink blobs an all that. But look for tutorials on youtube, don't be afraid to sit there watching for 10, 20 or even 40 minutes.
But handling the tools is all about practice and time... actually coloring, anon, is a BIG subject.
I say it because just today I've been watching digital coloring tutorials for 2 hours already and I still have more to go. There's learning about lights and shadows and which colors to pick and all that jazz.
If you look for Kyo Kusanagi fanart you'll see that the fire gets reflected all over his clothes for example.
I tried doing a paintover in Paint, it's by no means accurate but it'd be something like that... really you should leave it like that for now.

>>4008651
you need to learn how to take photos also

>>4008325
Thanks.

>>4008355
I see. Didn’t quite notice. Gonna have to train getting rid of tunnel vision too.

>>4008653
I wanted to keep focusing on general proportions for a while longer but I’ll keep in mind to start with the hands first.
Also thanks about the ear thing, didn’t notice. Thought the hair was enough to cover it but I can’t cheap out on the ears anymore it seems if I want to have the hair moving.

>>4008570
Sorry anon, I still need to work on speeding up my pace.

>>4008746
Thanks for redline. Don't worry I didn't plan on going any further, and from the looks of it even if you say you're not sure about some brushes you're definitely better than me at colouring.
And even if you say my turd looks alright I'm still gonna try giving it another shot after reading and studying some more about color and values.
>>4008765
Hollup what's wrong with it? Not like it would've made a difference, a well taken turd is still a turd

I've aquired a Wacom drawing tablet, so I was wondering if it was possible to learn with just a tablet?, I already have Photoshop

>>4008929
If you don't plan on doing traditional drawings sure, but remember that practicing traditionally is very helpful

Anyone use a scanner for their traditional works? Im looking to get one in the near future and looking for recommendations. Id prefer to be able to scan 11 x 14 inches bu5 can go smaller if need be.

>>4008894
Not recommended because the temptation to correct is just too big. On pen and paper you just practice, see how ugly it is and move on to the next one in a matter of seconds or minutes and eventually you get it right.
This is from when I started. Those stickman poses were done in 30 seconds trying to capture the flow in quick motions that might just scratch the tablet if you're a beginner, and I think it's more accurate on paper. And if I were doing it on digital, I'd have been too tempted to spend minutes trying to correct the faces instead of just moving to the next one.

For the record don't copy my practice, it was before I understood what the hell Loomis and gesture were

how can i find the vanishing points for the perspective of an image like this?

wew, that was exhausting. I hope papa Hampton is proud. Learned a lot though and feel like I finally "got it."
Looking at them all arranged next to one another I realize I started going too hard on the wrapping lines around the halway point, so I'll try to keep that in mind as I continue.

>>4008929
many anons will tell that traditional builds good habits and discipline and while they aren't completely wrong i think their take on the matter is backwards
if you have what it takes to become decent at trad you will become good at digital even if you never do trad
>>4008967
pay attention to how perspective distorts face features, don't be lose to temptation to draw things you actually can't see
>>4009011
rigid perspective with clear vanishing points is only applicable to objects with clear geometrical forms, mostly man-made ones
you don't have to be 100% correct perspective when drawing people or animals or natural landscapes, 90% is enough, it's not like anyone has vidyacard in their brains to spot small mistakes
>>4009015
not sure about Hampton, but i am proud of you, anon
make sure you do 10-20 every day, feeling of gesture quickly fades away if you don't practice it

>>4009011
>>4009051
I'm a beg but this anon might be right that it has slight mistakes. I tried spotting lines from the geometrical shapes like the horms, where the arm is resting, the legs, cleavage and other lines to see where are they pointing but the hair makes no sense. The lines on the hair in the ground are pointing in a circular way but the arm is resting in a horizontal surface so I can't make sense out of it.

Though generally you'd find a vanishing point like I did I think. Think of the scene in 3D and identify where the lines point. ALSO I tried to imagine how would the image look if the character stood up instead of sitting down. As if this was a movie filmed by a camera. If 02 stood up, you'd only see her legs, meaning the vanishing point is pretty down but I can't perfectly spot it.

What the fuck is the "feeling" of gesture? The figure is the figure what more to it is there?

>>4009008
Sorry anon I wasn't clear, I meant I was going to give it another shot by making an entirely different fanart down the line. But you're still correct on what you said though

>>4009058
thank you. i was completely off

>>4009051
i know you don't have to be 100% precise but i'm trying to understand perspective better and i think finding the vanishing points for random images will help me

>>4009092
I REPLIED TO THE WRONG POST SORRY >>4009008 this is for you >>4008929
>>4009067
Open your MIND'S EYE.. or something like that. Think of it as analyzing the image and extracting the motion of it... you ever seen an anime or manga? They draw speedlines to indicate the movement of a character punching or running or kicking. Every drawing has a "flow", that's the gesture.
I'm not that good at gesture but this little meme should give you the right idea. Also, gesture can be more or less complex. The actual pros like Hampton recommend gesture to be some flowy stickmen using as few lines as possible, but if you look for gesture drawings on google you'll find full humans being drawn. Don't do that for a while.
I repeat, just see a picture and identify the motion, also GESTURE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRECISE, you're supposed to let your hand loose as if you were a painter, painting lik crazy. Generally look for the spine-line, identify the gesture of the person standing and then whatever else they're doing and put your pen into motion.

>>4008537
Sorry for the late reply! I thought the shading on this example was really good, but I've been having trouble replicating it. Do you have any references or techniques to share?

>>4009166
>>4009067
Here look at how gesture is applied on an image, it might be better than my attempt. You can't really say it's just a figure, that thing is overflowing with gesture

How do I draw in pen or without undoing constantly? "Working with my mistakes" is something I find extremely hard to grasp because the mistakes I make always seem massive as fuck.

>>4009213
Depends on what you're trying to draw. Exercises aren't supposed to be corrected. If we're talking about a real drawing you want to finish then start over or try something simpler. Some things are just beyond your ability to draw at the moment and that's OK, If you asked me to draw a kangaroo on pen right now I'd probably fuck up because I don't know how to do it and it's not worth trying in pen. Or use a reference for your subject. Or maybe sketch with pencil if you're really serious about this.


But if you're at the point you make massive mistakes and can't finish a pen drawing maybe you should go back to practice. Tons of exercises first about your subject, like 5 or so tries per page then try to draw it seriously.

>>4009213
don't make mistakes

not a shitpost reply, it's genuine advice. you should spend as much time (if not more) thinking about your strokes as you do actually committing them

>>4009191
>having troubles
anon wake up use the brain, is just random strokes to give some volume, they could be in any direction. What you have to think is in stop thinking bidimensional, and learn basic volumes. You look like you're just trying to paint something for first time without seeing real life. Just put some strokes make a mess, i doesn't matter, you can undo and redo infinite times.
If you can't just go to paint squares, circles and triangles again, do them alone, do them next combine, put a lot and make forms, then is gonna be really easy make volume, and you just gonna have to think in the color (learn colr theory too, or just look real life, by "look" i mean actual thinking in what you are looking, why the colors look that way, how the light is in different parts of the hair, etc, write it if you are too slow)

>>>4008894
Hollup what's wrong with it?
Not for now but for the future, if you are talking of color you have to take the picture with correct lighting, i guess that the paper is white don´t? Just pull the brightness up in photoshop or any image program.

>>4009152
>i know you don't have to be 100% precise but i'm trying to understand perspective better and i think finding the vanishing points for random images will help me
no dont do that men, just look actual drawing in perspective, the angles are just valid when people use them, and that is just in some cases, like for example in compositions, when the character is insert in some place or with other people (not always), if you dont know you can fall and try to replicate things that are not worth and probably you are gonna waste a lot of time overthinking a drawing that the original artist probably just build from basic figures without even thinking in persepctive like that one >>4009058

>>4008213
is really beg. An advice, look the basic books from the stick, and if you are trying to copy some image, instead of try to replicate, focus on "measuring" every part of the things that interest you, the pose, the arms with respect to the body, the face, etc. It's the way you start with natural drawing, the point of that is that you learn the proportional relationships between the different parts of the body, you do not need to know how to build volume for that, so it's a simple exercise. When people draw live, they are told to use a pencil or finger to draw distances, but it is enough to see and count mentally as if everything were divided in pieces, a little hard at the beggining for someones, but with time easy.

tear this apart. its something i did non referenced with charcoal and a little gouache to play with the medium. i could have probably gone with a more complex pose so i might redo it later after getting more comfortable with the media

Should I keep grinding quick figure drawing for like a month or so? I started this week, did drawabox until the organic forms lesson, went through the introductory chapter of hampton's book and started doing figures on quickposing.com (like 6-7 minutes per pose), maybe start doing more detailed anatomy studies? I guess I just feel kind of aimless

Just finished this.

why does this look weird? I know it does, but I can't put my finger on it...

>>4009341

>>4009191
First you should begin by picking a light source, then you can be helped.

currenly trying out rendering for the first time and i realized that i have no clue how to render hair
i was wondering if i could get some help
(And maybe critique on what ive allready made)

Are eyes suppose to be ellipses with skin wrapped around them? I can't draw them on a front view without looking flat.

>>4009430
post werk

>>4008205
How can I make this suck less?

>>4009450
Learn to measure. Your proportions are way off.

Here's my try at perspective. I intended to make the head feel close and the tail far away, but it feels flat.

>>4009450
I mean the picture doesnt even look good. What did you expect? Ref ref ref

>>4008213
wat a coincidence

>>4008205
Reposting in another thread
Trying for a realistic background with anime on tv focus
It’s my first picture to take more than 2 hours drawing and I think I did pretty good job

>>4009294
the scary thing is it's better than the last two movies

>>4009493
leave /beg/

>>4009493
I’m stupid and didn’t attach the picture
>>4009500
>Leave /beg/
But I’m trying to improve

>>4009486
>>4009382
>>4008213
LOW EFFORT GARBAGE!!!

>inb4 footfag
Yes I am know.
Here is a piece I did today, I've been trying to improve my use of filters and photo manipulation.
Any tips on how I can improve or how much this looks like shit would be great.

>>4009517
Here is another piece I did.

I still run out of time pretty often, but I think I'm starting to get at least a little bit more of an idea of what I'm supposed to be doing with this.

>>4009517
>>4009519
Last one, and my earliest piece.

>>4009517
>>4009519
>>4009524

why are you posting things you did not draw? I think you want >>>/3/ the 3DCG board

>>4009490
>I mean the picture doesnt even look good.
If you mean the drawing, yeah I know that's why I asked.
If you meant the photo, what does it matter?

>>4009504

>>4009340
3/4th view works worst with porn

The girl under should have stylized tits, or make it into some other position to make her breasts appealingñu
Blue girl has some goblino mutt face going on

Which artists use the bridgman method? frazetta doesn't count

whats a good drawing application for someone moving from paper to digital? I have photoshop but it feels too much just for drawing.

>>4009681
Csp

how the fuck do you PAINT a cliff/giant rock that doesn't have major changes in value?

>>4009696
i'm a new painter; advice me on how to bring this reference to life, ignoring any (most) errors of perspective
the bottom center and bottom right are largely untouched adn haven't really been considered, so i'm looking mostly for advice on the cliff walls

>>4009531
Hey, thanks for commenting! Do you have an example of stylized tits in a similar position? I'm not sure how they would look like. I also don't know what goblino mutt face is.

>>4008205
i tried to at least finish one drawing instead of doing black faces. never really did faces,clothes anything other than body and even then I still fuck it up. at least i tried

I made an attempt at markers then gave up. Anyone know good sources for figuring how to use markers?

>>4009334
Dude, your wrapping lines don't make any sense. It's like you put them there to make it "look" 3d, not to feel out the form for yourself. In a lot of cases they take a lot of wrong turns.
Please, just grind some cylinders and get your wrapping lines right.

>>4009838
Hopefully it shows what I'm talking about (the lines are pretty bad, because I can't draw with mouse and it's the only thing I have with me at the moment)

>>4009520
Stop contour drawing. Even though this looks somewhat okay, it doesn't look like you get the point of gesture.

>>4009801
No dick 0/10

first day attempting art seriously. I attempted heads at various angles. I fucked up the side view, I know. But nevertheless, an attempt was made.

>>4009371
that's actually really eye-opening, thanks anon, am reading hogarth tho

>>4009494
so am objective stand point its bad?

>>4009525
That's for 3D modeling...not for photo manipulation.

>>4009930
Whatever those abominations are, it's not art

Help me better better at anatomy please

>>4009976

>>4008213
Hobo?

>>4009976
>>4009977
I honestly wish I knew how to even get to your level. I know it's not perfect but it's better than anything I've ever made.

Is this how I'm supposed to study an artsyle? I'm falling in love with Eisuke Ogura's KOF XII-XIII style and want to reach draw in a similar way to him.

>>4010048
Not him but just draw and study and read about anatomy, tons

>>4009838
>>4009841
Is this better?

>>4010070
You should be studying your fundamentals first. Worry about style later.

what do people mean when they tell you to "redline" a drawing?

Is drawabox a good resource for a beginner?

>>4010074
I don't know how to study.

>>4010097
Nice crab advice. I am studying my fundamentals every day, but I dont' want to grind faceless generic human people and boxes all the time. Drawing is supposed to be FUN you know? You could've at least said "whatever but the fundies are the top 1 priority" instead of pretending that any actual artists did do nothing but grind fundies then started making their own thing.

>>4010118
That is quite alright, baby steps anon. Read a page of any artbook and then make sure you actually understand what it's trying to teach you.

>>4010092
(Not the anon who gave you the original advice.)
Better, but still not good enough. You want to really draw through your arcs so that they end parallel with the contour. Make it a habit to try and draw through your ovals.

How do YOU go about learning anatomy, anon?

from where do you guys pirate good paid non digital tutorials?
for example proko's paid tutorials, where is stuff like this available

Hewwo... I would like to ask anyone who has experience in using copic markers some advice. My drawing skills and colouring/inking skills are really disproportionate because by the time I finish drawing I'm too tired to colour. Recently I have been trying to improve this. I have been using a copic paper pad as my sketchbook and I've noticed that the markers bleed alot through the paper and also feather and smudge outside lines. So I'm wondering if anyone would recommend any specific paper? Pic related, used reference so I could draw something really fast lol. thanks

>>4008205
idk what i'm doing. is it aesthetically pleasing? is the anatomy fine? how the fuck do i render?

I really need help on what to do with the hood. If there's anything else that looks weird, it'd appreciate if someone pointed it out so I can fix it. I've been fixing and workin on this drawing for quite a while now and I think I'm not seeing the problems or mistakes properly anymore.

>>4010211
it doesn't seem like he has a head. it looks too pointy and too thin. maybe make the top curve of the hood larger?

>>4010212
like this?

>>4010225

I'm failing to see how I can learn how to draw from real life if I can't draw cartoon-y/anime first.

>>4010234
ah okay, thanks!

>>4010234
Would it look empty if I don't add any ornaments or designs on the hood tho?

>>4010237
>>4010237
drawing from irl can help you in developing perspective and understanding of shape. the shape seems fine and all, but the line could be cleaner,

>>4010154
ok thanks, is the general anatomy/proportions alright? The second chapter of hampton's book already goes pretty in-depth into skeletal muscle structure so I wanna make sure I've got at least a decent grasp on those before it

>>4010237
Anime is simplifying + breaking rules. If you don’t know the rules you can’t break them in an appealing way

>>4010245
maybe a pattern on the rims would look nice. however, i don't think it'll look empty without it. if you add high contrast with shadows, it will be good.

I haven't tried to draw anything in months. I drew two portraits, but I think I got tired after this one cuz the second was total trash.

>>4010124
Enjoy being garbage, I guess.

>>4010326
This is nice!

>>4010208
You're losing the midline of the face around the mouth and chin, it's shifted too far to the right so looks caved in on itself and puts the mouth out of perspective. I did a paintover to show what it would like if the bottom part of the face followed closer to the midline. Don't have any comments on the rendering since I'm not the best painter myself.

>>4010326
this is really nice and i wish i could draw something like this after a long break

>>4010367
thank you so much. you literally fixed my problems in one easy step that i wasn't able to see before.

>>4010398
No problem, glad it helps.

What do you think? What should i concentrate my studies in?

this took entire week but i am finally done

>>4009968
Okay drawfag, I'm just trying to improve my ability, so I thought this was a place for good critique. Apparently not so I'll go elsewhere.

I'm trying to lean into more of a cartoony style than I normally do. Thoughts?

>>4010440
did you even post a wip here? that broken feet is atrocious, the face is also kinda off or maybe its because the ear but is weird

>>4009294
remember that charcoal is like how to use the blank space good, not for fill the space like it was a simple pencil, you can make really big strokes with the side of the charcoal, o really tiny and sharp ones with the edge. Explore a lot with that, and see references, charcoal is really flexible, is like a pc brush with different sizes and oppacity in the go.

>>4010440
Not gonna lie this is one of the most beautiful landscapes I've seen

BEHOLD

I hate gesture. I hate anatomy. I hate that there are so many books. I hate that I don't know what to do in those books. I hate that there isn't just one way to draw perfectly. I hate that this takes decades to get good at. I hate that my brain doesn't learn things instantly like everyone else. I hate drawing but I want it so badly but not badly enough to bypass the awful feelings that assault my brain any time I pick up a pencil.

>>4010465
cute werms

>>4010470
I'M BLUSHING

>>4010447
yeah, like 3 times
the thing about the feet, i spent like half of the day deciding on its orientation, but no matter how i positioned it, inward orientation just looked better (even though i was aware i am breaking it)
silly question, but when i chose what feels right over what is technically correct?
>>4010463
thanks, that's my first time doing it, second if you count the version i erased before drawing this one
maybe i should draw landscapes instead…

>>4010463
You mean in /beg/ or in general? Because if it's the latter you might to recheck your standards.

>>4010334
Post your work.

>>4010498
Actually, in general. I do have a folder full of beautiful 4k rendered fantasy landscapes but I liked the composition and simple colors on this one.
Sure it's /beg/ and the clouds could improve... but I just like that big yellowish wall, the green tres behind it and the castle in a very minimalistic yet rendered style. It's appealing I guess.

>>4010495
>inward orientation just looked better

>>4010495
>when i chose what feels right over what is technically correct?
I mean, there's a point where you have to consider your audience, and personally the foot does not feel right at all and throws off the rest.
It looks like you were trying to get the best of two different poses (leg splayed out and foot inwards), but when you combine them it looks like she broke her ankle.

>>4009808
Search for a marker book in the book thread

>>4010440
All these people shitting on her broken foot, too busy to notice that her left tit is in the middle of her chest.

>>4010525
i think is the weird clothes on her shoulders

>>4010495
surelyt if you can't get it to look good whilst also havig it be correct then the pose is wrong

>>4010465
Are you arking you feedback or shitposting? pelase be specific on what do you thing is wrong

I did this a few nights ago

>>4010583
if you didn't used a ref thats a good attempt, but

small left hand compared to the right
big gap between the eyes(this could work but it needs some tweaks in the face)
bad anatomy on the hips/pelvis area
one arm is larger than the other

More Hampton stuff, trying to understand form. I really like his process, the things you learn is invaluable and drawing it all is really relaxing, almost meditative.

>>4010583
eyes are fucked up, dont spend time in that next time, is not gonna make the drawing more cute

>>4010441
then go to p or gd, or read the sticky you might notice this board isn't for what you have posted

>>4010624
now add the muscles

how am I doing anons? what am I doing wrong?

>>4010659
look at basic head tutorials. All your features are down way too low.

>>4010659
You are drawing with your brain and not your eyes

Why are lips so difficult, whether is from reference or imagination? So may artists make by by just using a single line.

>>4010659
>>4010663
This.
It's hard to do when you have the reference not on the same plain. Meaning it you have it on the monitor have you set up where you can effortless glance to the side of you drawing to look at the reference. Because it's a lot more effort to pick your head up to look up. And when your references isn't in view your mind wants to fill in the blanks and it thinks it knows what to draw. It helps to print out your references and keep them beside your drawing.
This is something I don't see /ic explaining often. It's what they'll teach you in figure drawing. There people set up there drawing boards to the side of the subject not in front of it. Sorry if I'm too autistic to explain this where it makes sense.

need some help

>>4010756
tumblr/10

>>4010756
read the OP and resize your images

>>4010756
Every things/10

>>4010756
>some
You need A LOT of help

Practice some anatomy. Where her ribs, her neck? The ear is too small. Her face is too wide and her breast seem too floaty? Lack for a better word. And her arm seems too long. The part of her hair looks too much like stiches.

>>4010756
>its a "i dont want to draw the other eye so i hid it with hair" drawing
Same with hands and feet, if you don't draw it you just keeping yourself in the dark

>>4010756
you forgot the donut steel

>Anon discovers lasso tool and pressure opacity/size brushes
WATCH ME, BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I AM SO POWERFUL RIGHT NOW
How's this? I'm trying to make it look professional. I may have gone overboard with the inking perhaps? I'm planning on coloring it so I could tone down the darkness there anyway this is a week's worth of work, it has to look good please tell me it does.
Oh right, for the anon in the other thread asking about my schedule, it's nothing special I'm just working at 2400 x 3600 resolution far zoomed in trying to edit any flaws I spot and doing random gestures trying to figure out if a panel could look better and watching youtube tutorials on everything I can.

>>4010440
I love this, don't feel discouraged for the broken foot, I had drawn that exact same leg too because I thought it looked dynamic but ended un changing it.

Wanted to get some critique. Some stuff done on break at work. 1/2

Sorry for the quality, they're also taken by my phone. Nyerrrr. 2/2

>>4010797
Why are you in /beg/?

>>4010813
Because it looked like this 4 days ago

>>4010822
That's still very competent and nowhere near /beg/. Not saying you don't have the option of staying, but you're probably not doing yourself many favors by surrounding yourself with people who are worse than you.

>>4010847
Anon there are many mistake in his drawing, that's why he here on /beg/.

>>4010847
Just because you're stuck doing shitty loomis heads doesn't mean that
>>4010822
>>4010797 isn't /beg/.

>>4010851
>>4010853
Hahah y-yeah... m-mind pointing any of HIS flaws?

>>4010440
you need to think in color men. Think the colors.
All the drawing and all that is ok.. is ok, could be better, could not, but the color is the real thing. The woman looks out of place because of the wrong color choice.
The good news is that you can actually excercise that in that same painting, just put a layer on top and start coloring, explore, see references, and try and try in new layers. The work is done, leave it dont add more lines or corrrect poses, etc, but you can try that.

>>4010756
the stick is your help

>>4010797
>>4010822
mm yeah is still /beg/.
Its seems like you just put the shadow in whatever way. Remember that in black and white comics the black is to increase the emotion of the scene, and to guide the reader, not only to give shade and make it look "like comic". Think in what are you showing, and the emotion of the scene, and make the contrast guide by that. You could read "Understanding Comics", is out there in the internet

How would you do the gesture of poses like this? The site I'm using keeps giving me these standing poses but I'm skipping them because I don't see any motion.

>>4010851
>>4010853
Dude, look carefully at the output of this thread. The vast majority of what /beg/ produces is turdpiles like >>4010756 or >>4008213. He's better off using the actual draw threads.

>>4010864
Well, it wasn't planned as a black & white comic, but I haven't finished flatting it. This is an old layer as an example. She's supposed to be illuminated by firing the gun, the other girl has the face illuminated by the bullets, and in the last panel the sun is right above her.

I'm planning on changing some of those black shadows to dark colors later. But re they really placed wrong?

>>4010867
there's always gesture in the flow of the muscles, but in general a neutral pose like this, you've just got to find what small bits of movement there is, like her head turning, the left hand that is holding something is pushing out etc.

for the overall line of action, a straight line isn't a wrong answer, and whatever the arms and head is doing can flow into that.

>>4010877
that change everything, i was seeing the right up panel for that, it was hardly to understand what is there in black and white, but with colors just need a correct color to define everything.
I think you need to put the colors first and then the shadows, the color alone can build everything. Then you could think more easy in the light direction and all that.
In my opinion the shadows could be right, but you need to retouch them more looks kind of messy

>>4010867
I find them difficult too and haven't really "solved" this type of pose yet. Maybe something like this? Takeing the subtle twisting of the neck and letting it propagate through and be counter balanced by the rest of the spine.

>>4010729
I've found some success with adding a small curved line underneath to indicate the lower lip. It helps give the mouth a bit more shape without overworking it.
Don't have any examples on hand, though, sorry.

>>4010853
Bruh I'm one if the strictest people on the board about telling people they're still /beg/ and even I think you're being silly. That page looks pretty good, there does seem to be something still missing from it that would make it really appealing (something about the facial expression maybe) but it does look good. "Not /beg/" doesn't have to mean "professional".

>>4009701
Learn to see shapes. You almost nailed the shape of the cave entrance. If you're worried about perspective, I suggest doing life drawing of buildings, preferably in a city.

>>4010326
This is actually pretty sweet. Simple and yet stands out.

>>4010867
i tried

i'll post a couple;
i took prokos advice and only used his 3 lines;
s c i strokes
1 of 2

Loomis head

>>4011102
>2 of 2

>>4011104
>resize to 1200x1200 or less faggot

>>4011030
Man she (irl) has no fucking hips.

>>4011104
That's not a Loomis head, or at least not what people mean when they say to study Loomis heads. Those are just exercising to get you thinking with form instead of symbols.

>>4011117
0 hips; thats actually a bit weird.

I got a /beg/ question, what's the difference between chicken scratching and when artists do sketches that look like pic related?

Is it also a form of chiciken scratching or not? what is the usefulness of sketchign like this? How do you go about it?

>>4011179
they know what they;re doing.

>>4011179
don't see any chicken scratching there, just some old layer

>>4010225
Also anon, maybe the hood should be behind the ears, yeah? Unless the hood has holes.

Oh, and if you want the eyes to pop out, try darker colors in the background and with the skin. The contrast helps. Purple is the opposite of yellow.

>>4011016
I'm starting to understand that fixing the perspective is imperative to creating a believable 3D shape. Today I started just trying to add in all the tiny details, which worked somewhat, but ended up adding a lot more black in to the center and fixing corners.

is it bad to doodle

>>4011194

I didn't say it was, but I do see multiple lines in the same spot. Is the main difference that chicken scratching is short lines where as this uses longer strokes?

>>4011210
not that i can see; it helps u relax a bit i suppose.

>>4011210
Yes because you keep shitposting on /v/

>>4011210
No, it's not bad to doodle.

>>4011179
The lighter pink/purple tones with the thicker lines is the sketch underneath, which are to be removed. The darker lines are the more finish lines, and most of them will end up in the final draft. While this is slightly chicken scratch, the lines are very thin and still defining shapes. Chicken scratch is too thick to define a shape, and shows that the artist isn't confident in their lines yet. I hope this makes sense, let me know if you need clarification. Eventually, you'll just know it when you see it I guess.

Someone said to use minimal lines for gestures so I tried

>>4011222
got it, I'm just wondering cause I need to figure out a way to go about my sketches. My process is usually drawing the pose either from memory or through ref and roughly placing stuff where it should go. Then I'll open up another layer and construct the ribcage and the hips, add circles for joints, etc. Then I'll do one more layer with a light brush, and then move on to the lineart.

Another question though, How should I start studying muscle anatomy? I just know the location of certain muscles thanks to me noticing stuff in art studies.

>>4011253
What was the first question?

For the second question, you may not like this answer but just keep studying. II would try this-- instead of drawing a person with skin, draw them with muscles and pretend the skin is transparent. It may help you learn the anatomy a little better, if not just keep trying other stuff until you get it down. Don't be too hard on yourself if it's not perfect. In the computer age, it can be hard to remember that we're only human.

>>4011179

drew this on a trackpad in photoshop then threw a filter on top of it
i can't get my lines right for shit w/o a pencil but finally getting to use all of photoshops tools on a drawing really makes me want to invest in a pad

>>4011179
Do you see how he draws the rib cage from one shoulder to another in several lines? The reason he's doing this is to find the gesture and structure of the body. He has no problem going from point A to point B in one smooth stroke.

Chicken scratching would be drawing from point A to point B in several lines. Beginners do this because they're not confident hitting the endpoint. They're too busy trying to make the lines connect and thus ignoring the gesture of the object.

>>4011215
Explain

how do I into cloth folds? my naked figure drawings are alright, but I can't do clothing at all, what is different and what should I keep in mind?

>>4011320
here's some newbie shit work to inspire you to do better

A lot of good stuff in here. Just some little mousepad doodles before I go off to bed -- didn't draw much but at least today was a non-zero day :)

The day that I can successfully jerk off to something I drew is the day that I will truly feel that I have made it.

>>4011369
you got the booty but got a butter face
also the spine feels wrong

>>4011371
Alright. Working on it. Will update later.

>>4011369
I'm >>4011355 so you can decide whether my advice is worth taking -- regarding the butt area and your curves in general, we tend to make curved lines more "noodly" than they are irl -- my recommendation is to try to turn the curve you see irl into a few lines, mimicking the angles of the "apexes" as best you can -- just something to experiment with

>>4008205
I've been going hard at the fundamentals and learning how to draw realistically but what I actually want to do down the line is draw cartoons (in the style of Cartoon Network and the like) so sometimes I take a break to draw some cartoons and judge if my fundamentals are improving my cartoon work. And I think they have. I thought I was getting memed but you really do start looking at things like form and shape and the way you put marks on a parper, differently (for lack of a better word).

Here's some fanart of Frida from Hilda and Connie from Steven Universe.

Don't rip me apart for the background and the fading at the bottom. I know it's shit.

>>4011379
Could you elaborate? I'm confused.

>>4011383
He probably means that lines on human form aren't one long smooth curve but rather have many bumps and apexes and valleys and you should pay more attention to those if you want to get a more realistic drawing. Arms, for example, don't look like long tubes.

Still good work my dude. Lots to improve but you're not so far off that it should be daunting.

>>4011383
See how instead of one "curved line" I turned the line into multiple straight lines? My example is shit but it's generally what I recommend when copying -- turn the curve into straight lines

>>4011387
Oh I see. Hm, that's interesting. I'll give it a shot thanks.

>>4011369
Her shoulders look a bit too square and her spine looks like it veers off to the right as it goes up

>>4011401
Please, DON'T. DON'T SHOOT, ME DOWN. I did the best I could.

my proportions are always off. i can't build the mental to really put more time and focus into it. think i need addy

>>4011414
addy?

>>4011411
Hey man better than I can do

>>4011369
post ref if you can please

>>4011421
adderal

>>4008213
>I see you like GTO..

Can someone point out what I'm doing wrong here?

I'm trying to learn from Proko's extreme angles video, but I realized there's something off about the middle lines I create, and I can't tell what it is and how to fix it.,

Can someone point out what I'm doing wrong here?

I'm trying to learn from Proko's extreme angles video, but I realized there's something off about the middle lines I create, and I can't tell what it is and how to fix it.

(Sorry for double posting, forgot the image)

>>4011533
You're not curving the line enough, it's too flat on the curved part. Just as an imagination exercise draw a few circles and make them spheres with one line curving on the center. You'll realize why ones look like spheres and others look like plates.

>>4011533
Your curvature is messed up. Try drawing spheres and if that goes well imagine a flat plane intersecting the sphere, and modify it that way.

>>4011533

>>4011554
>>4011555
>>4011558
Thank you for the quick replies, I'm getting the hang of what I did wrong now, thank you!

Did my first upside down Igor picture and realised i made him way to big since the bottom and one of his elbows didnt fit.

It made me think if i should get a bigger piece of paper to draw on? Currently drawing on A4 paper so would it be a good idea to start drawing on a A3 paper instead since then i should be able to draw and bigger and get more details in etc?

>>4011702
weird the picture got sideways for some reason when i uploaded it i dont know why

>>4011414
Read Hampton's Figure drawing, you're just copying the outline in a 2d manner instead of constructing.

>>4011717
Is this your drawing? Why are you giving advice at your level?

>>4011382
I think reddit or tumblr is more suited for you.

I like the step by step process of learning to draw people from this book but I'm starting to have doubts even with this simplified skeleton.

Maybe i should revisit Hampton and work with newsprint. I work better with bigger sized paper for studies but would it translate to smaller scale paper later on or practice on that level?

>>4011733
Because Hampton is a good book and I'm going over it.

>>4011751
Obviously you're not reading enough it seems.

>>4010440

This is very good for /beg/ thread, you're definitely gonna make it. Not many have the paitence for full illustrations.

Just draw more and do a lot of sketching. Also where do you post your art? I'd like to follow your progress.

>>4011414

first 50 or so pages of drawing on the right side of the brain would be helpful, you're symbol drawing right now.

>>4011774
Nice reading comprehension, thanks for the keks

I don't know if this is the right thread to ask but after like 5-6 hours of drawing I start getting this really annoying small blister on the side of my middle finger that's in contact with the pen, it gets more painful in the subsequent hours to the point I have to stop drawing for the day, I tried wearing a glove but with this heat my hand gets very sweaty and it's unbearable after a while

>>4011738
don't go into skeleton studies, watch and copy Proko's gesture drawing examples and mannequinnizations.

>>4011339
This needs a lot more contrast.

>>4011252
draw continuous lines whenever you can less breaks = more flow

>>4011210
no

>>4011102
you need quantity, also try to find where your pic is off compared to the ref, improve your observation skill

>>4010809
construct with boxy shapes, it'll help, like his butt here looks very wrong but would be easily fixed with box construction

>>4011795
>Watch and copy Proko

>>4011210
Yes, do studies instead.

>>4011795
Well I own the figure drawing course but felt too advance for me back then but i can try again. Gesture never felt right to me.

>>4011804
/ic/ is retarded when it comes to Proko, he's a shitty imaginative artist but his figure drawing is very good, and his figure drawing teaching is very good too.


>>4011820
I'm speaking specifically about proko's youtube vids, they're very simple and very helpful.

>>4010440
sad. i witnessed people warn you about the fucking foot among other things and you went ahead and ignored it anyway, very ngmi attitude

>>4011845
I don't get why people asks for critique and don't fix it

>>4011854
sometimes some people just want attention and praise and they expect some sort of a reward for drawing any old thing

>>4011845
>>4011854
What if he just didn't come back to check any comments?

>>4008205
I had fun for past 2 months (probably more) drawing with a pen. Proportions and measuring went up, random lines for shading made me focus on shape, but I lost on texture/light. Now I'm trying to get back to pencil and I feel I need to redo and learn all over again all the basics and master pencil again. Help me, please.

>>4011875
why would you ask for help without reading the answers?

Any art traps I should take caution of /ic/ i don't wanna end up drawing nothing but boxes and lines for eternity

>>4011901
If you don't want to draw boxes and lines for all eternity, draw some proper fucking boxes and lines. You put basically zero effort into your attempt, you couldn't even arse yourself to grab a sheet of non-lined paper.

Not gonna lie /ic/, I like to learn ink but these fundamental studies feel easier to understand and do in dry media like pencil and charcoal. Cant i stick to that for a while then switch to pen later or at least for finished drawings?

>>4011838
What's tjhe point of learning gesture if you're not going to draw from imagination?

>>4011838
They're "very good" because he just spouts the exact same things other teachers write. Following advices about gesture from someone who can't draw without reference to save his life is just going to give diminishing returns.

>>4011916
How the fuck do you think people learn to draw from imagination in the first place?

>>4011925
Why learn from someone who can't do it at all then you stupid fuck?

Sometimes I feel like I’m not cut out to be an artist.

>>4011795
Also when is it a good time to learn the skeleton anyways?

>>4011923
you don't understand the words you're using

>>4011916
What's the point of learning to drive if you're not gonna become a racecar driver?

>>4011927
Why learn to drive from someone who can't also fly a plane then you stupid fuck?

p.s. if it's not absolutely clear, you are fucking retarded.

>>4011923
>Following advices about gesture from someone who can't draw without reference to save his life is just going to give diminishing returns.
While you should always strive to learn from somebody who you can respect or whos work you can respect, I don't see how learning gesture from proko would somehow introduce a fatal flaw in your developement.
There might be a point when you realize that it's time to move on because you want something more / different, but that is esentially true for anything and anyone.
For Beginners and people who just want to improve their observation in general, proko is absolutely and demonstrably fine.

should i practice loomis traditionally or i can do it on digital?

I want to masturbate and play vidya less but have poor self control. What do?
I feel like I need someone to watch me 24/7 and smack me whenever I have the urge to do something unproductive.
Also hands and feet practice day 1.

>>4011957
>Why learn how to drive a plane from someone who doesn't know how to drive a plane?
Is what is happening, you might be the retarded one here.

>>4011932
That's very advanced anatomy. You can be very good at figure drawing without remembering the ins and outs of the bones. I would probably learn it after being pretty familiar with the surface muscles.

>>4011961
First time posting from a phone. Why is there even an auto rotate.

>>4011966
So after possible mannequinization then? I can dig it. Or possibly later. Whichever helps me get to drawing waifus.

>>4011961
discipline is a very, very hard thing to learn if you've not practiced it for decades
set aside a specific time of day to practice for 30-60 mins and stick to that schedule every day
or just blame untreated adhd and never get better

>>4011961
just wank in places where you have no opportunity to draw such as school, work, dutign shopping, etc

is recomendable the book "how to draw manga vol 1"?

>>4011993

I'm working on Photoshop CC and I can't learn beyond layers lol.
Can someone provide me some beginner tutorial for digital tools? Or what would be the best digital program to progress?

>>4012004
i remember ctrlpaint teaching me a lot of tools

>>4010864
can i get more advice on color? i afraid i don't follow
the only part i hate are ruins since i went extra lazy on them
could it be because i turned up contrast on girl a bit by the end?
>>4011777
thanks, i don't have a blog, i post only here and in /vg/ threads
>>4011845
sorry, the feedback was kinda weak when i posted wips
i ended up fixing it either way
>>4011854
in my case it was fit of dunning-kruger i guess

>>4012004
Nigga what are you even trying to do? You create a layer and draw there. You can move them to be above or under another layer. And change their opacity. That's all a beginner should know for their practices anyways,unless you're trying to do a finished drawing.

>>4012014
Dunno man just I'm trying to improove with digital drawing.

>>4011932

After you go into in-depth study of anatomy, at first you only need to learn landmarks and proportions.

>>4011913
pen is a lot harder, stick with a pencil of course

>>4011961
go draw in a coffeeshop

>>4012004
ctrlpaint.com its free library consists of short vids for people with learning disabilities

>>4011805

>>4008213
My sketches are so fucking shit sometimes. She looks so ugly.

How do you construct the pelvis and hips from the back and forshortened angles? I can do them in frontal and 3/4 view no problems, but back and forshortened give me a lot of trouble.

>>4012178
In before
>durr look up proko's shitty bucket pelvis tutorial

Am I still contour drawing too much? I tried to go more toward stick figures and I think I struggled somewhat.

>>4012174
You might think she looks ugly but I like it, it's an interesting style.

>>4012184
Based

>>4012184
How is it shitty

>>4012174

learn proportions of the head, you'll quickly improve

>>4012302
reddit fell for the proko bad meme and posts it in response to everything in a sad attempt to fit in

>>4012326
Your post is the saddest cope I've seen in a while. Proko sucks, simple as

>>4012329
>cope
another reddit word, that's two out of two, one more and you're out

>>4012340
Dilate.

>>4012326
It's not that Proko is bad, he just doesn't bring any ideas that are new to the table. Why play telephone learning through him when you could just learn it from the source?

Where can i get free and good csp brushes?

...Can i pirate paid brushes?

>>4011424
here you go

Can someone color this one for me ?
I don't have much experience with coloring and I would like to see what colors other people will choose

Or is it even better without colors ?

How the fuck do I color hair?

Would love some critique on this, if at all possible.

>>4012398
Everyone does it differently. You can look up Aaron Blaise on YouTube, I love the way he does it.

Quick summary: block in the colours you want it to be, broad shadows, broad lights, then work from large to small brushes to create texture.

>>4012340
You need to go back.

Good sketch pad for a fountain pen?

>>4012487
Have a sketchpad made for coloring/painting in mind

>>4012430
MEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

please help me get better with values. what do i do? do i shade boxes? what? i NEED to get better at this shit

>>4011795
Like...so? Quickly done in photoshop.

>>4012511
Shit. I just realized that the shoulders are off a bit. Fuck.

Been trying to incorporate construction and gesture at the same time, very difficult.

>>4012515

>>4012380
I never paint, but I'm giving it a shot.

where can i get a decent white out pen? couldn't find on on the web

>>4012540
Can someone post a ref for how to paint the,what i'm assuming is saliva on her face?

>>4012612
is it a newborn baby without teeth

>>4012620
Yeah I know, just haven't got there yet. I kinda bounce around.

>>4012316
yours is beautiful

>>4012302
>>4012326
I didn't say proko sucks. Only his kangaroos and his pelvis bucket. he tries to sell this bucket idea as though its a simplified version of a pelvis, but there are about 8000 steps to it. it is fucking impossible to memorize and it looks nothing like a pelvis. ive tried it myself a few times. its absolutely ridiculous. you would be better off just using a skeleton as a reference. its his most useless video.

new

>>4012676

>>4011929
Bruh , use refference until you get good lmao

>>4008213
Oekaki tier garbage doodle : 10 replies

>i love this board

I never drew a cat before.

Why does the one on the right look like a man? It’s supposed to be a women with an open mouth.

>>4013223
Yed cringe, first fix that pity/condencendent actitude and later learn the basics "ciringe bruh" fucking pathetic.